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VERY INTERESTED IN PUBLIC SERVICE FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE, INSPIRED IN COLLEGE WHEN IT ADVICE STEVENSON CAME TO TALK TO HIS GRADUATE IN CLASS. THAT WAS...
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| 00:00:32 |
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SERVICE. NOT LONG AFTERWARD DONALD RUMSFELD RAN FOR CONGRESS AND BECAME THE YOUNGEST REPUBLICAN MEMBER IN 1960 AND BELIEVED IN PUBLIC SERVICE. HE SERVED...
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| 00:01:29 |
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SOME DAY. IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR A NUMBER OF HIS FORMER CLASSMATES SAY THEY TOOK IT SERIOUSLY.
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| 00:01:38 |
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THE THOUGHT IF ANY OF THEM RAN HE WOULD BE THE ONE. HE DID TRY IN 1986, 1987. HE DID NOT GIVE FOR BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN OUT OF GOVERNMENT FOR OVER A DECADE....
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| 00:02:46 |
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HE WAS
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| 00:02:51 |
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WARY, ALTHOUGH COOPERATING WITH ME -- HE WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN THIS COULD NOT BE SEEN AS AN AUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY. IT IS NOT. HE HAD NO CONTROL OVER IT....
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| 00:03:33 |
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HE WAS ENORMOUSLY SUCCESSFUL FOR MUCH OF HIS LIFE, BOTH IN GOVERNMENT AND IN BUSINESS. HE ENTERED THE PENTAGON UNDER GEORGE BUSH AT AGE 68 WITH A
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| 00:03:52 |
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LIFETIME OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. HE WAS THE ON THE PERSON EVER TO GET A SECOND SHOT AT THE POSITION. HE HAD HELD THE SAME JOB ONCE BEFORE UNDER PRESIDENT...
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| 00:05:06 |
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AS FULLY EXPLORED, EXPLAINED IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN, IN TERMS OF RESIGNING OR NOT, WHY THE PRESIDENT DECIDED TO FINALLY AFTER MONTHS...
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| 00:05:23 |
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RESISTING ADVICE FROM AIDES AND OTHERS TO REPLACE HIM. WHY BUSH FINALLY DECIDED TO DO SO. SO I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO FOR IN THE WHOLE STORY OF HIS...
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| 00:06:03 |
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PRESIDENT OF A CORPORATION BROUGHT ASPIRIN CAME INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN WHICH CAUSED SEVERAL MILLION PEOPLE TO DIE FROM BRAIN TUMORS -- HE BROUGHT ASPARATAME...
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| 00:06:42 |
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SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS, BUT LENDER STANDING IS THAT THE PREDOMINANCE OF EVIDENCE HAS NOT ESTABLISHED ANY LINKS BETWEEN ASPARATAME AND NUTRASWEET IN THE...
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| 00:07:39 |
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AROUND. ALSO BRINGING TO MARKET THESE VERY SIGNIFICANT PRODUCTS. THE EARLY DAYS OF HDTV. HOST: HE
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| 00:07:51 |
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DID NOT ENTER PRIVATE INDUSTRY UNTIL WELL INTO HIS 40'S. WOULD HE HAVE BEEN HAPPY TO HAVE STAYED IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE? GUEST: I THINK SO, BUT HE DID...
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| 00:08:11 |
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HE ALSO BELIEVED IN PEOPLE MOVING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY.
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| 00:08:20 |
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HOST: LET'S HERE FROM FLORIDA ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. HOST: RATHER ON THE DEMOCRATS' LINE, CORRECT? CALLER: YES. HOST: WILL PUT...
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| 00:08:41 |
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SPRINGFIELD, GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD MORNING, I WAS LISTENING TO HOW THEY SAID
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| 00:08:50 |
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DONALD RUMSFELD ORIGINALLY HAD PRESIDENTIAL ASPIRATIONS. ARE WE LOOKING FOR TO SEE HIM RUN IT AS
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| 00:08:58 |
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PRESIDENT IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS? DOES, HAS HE EVER ADMITTED TO RESPONSIBILITY FOR, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SENT MORE TROOPS INTO IRAQ? OR HAS HE GLOSSED...
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| 00:09:39 |
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OUT LATE NEXT YEAR. NO, HE HAS NOT EXPRESSED REGRETS ABOUT THE TROOP LEVEL ISSUE. WE MIGHT HEAR MORE FROM HIM ABOUT THAT IN HIS BOOK. I DEAL WITH IT AT...
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| 00:10:50 |
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THEY SAY IN CERTAIN REPORTS HE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE -- OF THE PENTAGON. WHEN HE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PENTAGON EVERYTHING HAD TAKEN PLACE. THEY...
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| 00:11:36 |
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THE BUILDING TO SEE WHAT HAD HAPPENED. HE SPENT A FEW MINUTES HELPING VICTIMS.
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| 00:11:44 |
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THEN HE RAN BACK INTO THE BUILDING TO DROP OTHER TOP OFFICIALS IN PLANNING THE RESPONSE. HE LIKE OTHER TOP OFFICIALS OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION NEVER...
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| 00:12:53 |
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NOT THE ONE YOU WANT. THIS IS HIS RESPONSE. >> I AM TRULY SADDENED BY THE THOUGHT THAT ANYONE COULD HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT I OR OTHERS ARE DOING ANYTHING...
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| 00:13:18 |
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DIED SO BRAVELY KNOWS HOW DEEPLY I FEEL THE LOSS. WHEN I MEET WITH THE WOUNDED OR FAMILIES OR WITH THE FAMILIES OF THOSE LOST THEIR GRIEF IS SOMETHING...
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| 00:13:53 |
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HE THOUGHT THERE WERE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT. IF YOU READ THEM ALL HE ARGUES HE SHOWED MORE SYMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING FOR THE POSITION
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| 00:14:04 |
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THE TROOPS WERE IN. NONETHELESS, THE TONE DID RESONATE WITH THE TROOPS. THEY SEEMED TO REINFORCE THE IMAGE OF HIM AS INSENSITIVE AND A SOMEWHAT AND CARING....
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| 00:15:30 |
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EVEN WHEN HE WAS IN THE NIXON WHITE HOUSE THERE WERE STORIES ABOUT HOW HE WOULD TALK, TALK WITH HIS HANDS.
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| 00:15:44 |
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HE WAS VERY GOOD ON THE HILL IN TERMS OF HIS PERFORMANCES, BUT HE HAD TERRIBLE STRAINS WITH A NUMBER OF KEY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO DID NOT SERVE HIM...
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| 00:16:51 |
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SPECULATIVE. FOR ALL OF HIS TOUGHNESS AND PLAINSPOKEN AS AND DIRECTNESS I THINK HE ALSO HAD AN INNER COMPASS, PARTICULARLY WHEN FACING DICEY SITUATIONS...
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| 00:17:12 |
GUEST, -
A SENSE OF HOW FAR TO GO. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN HE WAS SECRETARY OF DEFENSE HE WAS VERY WARY ABOUT TAKING MILITARY ACTION AGAINST AL QAEDA AND TALIBAN TERRORISTS...
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| 00:17:57 |
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WAS ABLE TO ESCAPE MUCH OF THE TANK OF WATERGATE. HE WAS OVERSEAS AS AMBASSADOR TO NATO AT THE TIME THE SCANDAL BROKE. HOWEVER, HE WAS " INVOLVED
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| 00:18:13 |
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WITH NIXON'S POLITICAL OPERATIONS -- QUITE INVOLVED, AS I WRITE IN THE BOOK ABOUT LOCAL FAVORS AND ACTIVITIES. HE WAS VERY CLOSE TO NIXON'S TOP POLITICAL...
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| 00:18:57 |
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BUT HE WAS NOT A NEO =- CONSERVATIVE. SOMETIMES PEOPLE CONFUSE HIM AS BEING PART OF THAT COMMUNITY.
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| 00:19:09 |
GUEST, -
HE WAS ALWAYS QUITE MAINLINE CONSERVATIVE. SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER IN CONGRESS HE HAD THE IMAGE AS A MODERATE...
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| 00:19:59 |
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HE WAS WIDELY SPECULATED LIKELY TO BE THE FIRST CABINET CASUALTY OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE HE HAD COME INTO OFFICE CHARGED WITH TRANSFORMING...
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| 00:20:13 |
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WAS TAKING HIS TIME, ORGANIZING STUDY GROUPS. HE ARGUED WITH THE CHIEFS, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF CHANGE. SOME WERE NOT HAPPY WITH...
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| 00:20:56 |
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POLITICIANS OFTEN TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SERVICE BUT YET THE REVOLVING DOOR THAT THESE PEOPLE AND AT THE STAFF OF THE POLITICIANS AND UP GOING TO WORK DIRECTLY...
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| 00:21:58 |
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WHICH HAVE ADDED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AS FOR THE REVOLVING DOOR, I DON'T THINK IT IS THE REASON FOR THE RISE IN DEFENSE SPENDING, HOWEVER. HOST: HE TRANSITION...
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| 00:22:34 |
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ADDITIONAL CONTROLS. LOOK, IF IT IS A TECHNICAL AREA EXPERIENCE COUNTS. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO COMPLETELY CLOSE THE DOOR
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| 00:22:47 |
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ON THOSE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE DEFENSE INDUSTRY TO COME INTO GOVERNMENT OR THOSE IN GOVERNMENT GOING INTO DEFENSE. HOST: AMONG MANY PHOTOGRAPHS...
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| 00:23:18 |
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HE GENERALLY GOT VERY GOOD, ROUSING RECEPTION. THE EPISODE CONCERNING ARMOR AND KUWAIT WAS AN EXCEPTION WHERE THE TROOPS ASKED POINTED QUESTIONS FROM...
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| 00:23:39 |
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GROUP WAS LARGELY MADE UP OF RESERVISTS. IT WAS FURTHER INTO THE WAR AND MANY FRUSTRATIONS WERE BUILDING. HE GENERALLY WAS WELL-RECEIVED BY TROOPS AND...
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| 00:25:04 |
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AND HAD TIME TO REFLECT. HOST: A
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| 00:25:07 |
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QUESTION ABOUT HIS RESIGNATION FROM TWITTER. GUEST: BY THE TIME HE STEPPED DOWN HIS ONLY MAJOR SUPPORTER IN THE ADMINISTRATION WAS DICK CHENEY. THAT RELATIONSHIP...
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| 00:25:27 |
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RUMSFELD WHO BROUGHT DICK CHENEY AND BACK IN THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION. THEY WERE CLOSE AND HAD A LONG- TERM RELATIONSHIP.
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| 00:25:36 |
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BUT BY THE END IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION DONALD RUMSFELD HAD VERY FEW VOICES OF SUPPORT EITHER WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION, CONGRESS, OR THE SENIOR MILITARY...
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| 00:26:12 |
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AS TO HOW THE RESIGNATION WOULD BE ANNOUNCED. BUSH WAS INSISTENT THAT THE NEWS NOT COME UNTIL
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| 00:26:19 |
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AFTER THE ELECTION BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT IT TO SEEM LIKE HE WAS BEING POLITICALLY MOTIVATED, TO HELP REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES. THERE WERE MANY REPUBLICAN...
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| 00:27:09 |
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HE FIRED EVERY GENERAL WHO TELL THEM HE NEEDED 20,000 TRIPS. HE WANTED TO GO IN WITH 50,000. HE FIRED A COUPLE OF THEM. EITHER THEY AGREE WITH HIM OR...
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| 00:28:27 |
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HIS SUCCESSOR BOB GATES HAS DISMISSED SIX SENIOR OFFICIALS. HE DID PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER SHENSECKY BY ALLOWING WERE TO BE PUBLICIZED 18 MONTHS EARLY...
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| 00:30:29 |
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ENGAGING. SHE IS VERY SHREWD IN HER OWN WAY. HOST: SHE IS ALSO BLUNTLY HONEST WITH HIM ON HIS CAREER DECISIONS. GUEST: YES, SHE WAS A WAS BROUGHT INTO...
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| 00:30:55 |
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TIME OF THE AFGHAN WAR WHERE HE WAS THE FACE OF THE UNITED STATES AT WAR THAT POINT. PEOPLE WOULD TUNE
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| 00:31:03 |
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IN BY THE MILLIONS. THE NICKNAME FOR HIM ONCE RUMSTUD. HIS WIFE JOYCE TALKING TO A GROUP OF MILITARY WIVES TRY TO BRING IN A CERTAIN SENSE OF MODESTY...
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| 00:32:07 |
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IN FACT IT WAS A CIA
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| 00:32:13 |
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PLAN THE PRESIDENT FIRST EMBRACED TO LINK UP WITH THE AFGHAN MILITIAS AND THE NORTHERN ALLIANCE AGAINST THE TALIBAN. HOST: HERE IS CLEVELAND. GOOD MORNING...
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| 00:32:44 |
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PEOPLE, PEOPLE STRONGLY INFLUENCED BY CERTAIN PHILOSOPHERS AND MILITARY STRATEGISTS WHO WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY CONSERVATIVES. WAS HE INFLUENCED BY THAT...
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| 00:33:27 |
GUEST, -
THE NEO-CONSERVATIVE COMMUNITY INCLUDING HIS DEPUTY, THE CHIEF OF POLICY POSITIONS AT THE PENTAGON. BUT HE HIMSELF IS NOT A NEO- CONSERVATIVE. MANY OF...
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| 00:35:23 |
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ON SATURDAY AND WENT OFF AND ON SUNDAY. I ENJOYED THOSE ACTIVITIES MYSELF. THANK YOU. HOST: BANKS.
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| 00:35:32 |
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WESTCHESTER, NEW YORK, CAROLINE ON THE DEMOCRATS' LINE. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I WAS WONDERING HOW MR. BRADLEY GRAHAM FELT WHEN HE FOUND OUT THAT DONALD...
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| 00:35:50 |
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OTHER NEOCONS PROMOTED SADDAM HUSSEIN, KEPT TELLING US THAT HE HAD THESE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION WHEN THE MAN WAS CONTAINED FOR 12 YEARS? NOW THEY...
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| 00:36:47 |
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RUMSFELD DID BELIEVE THAT REPORT. OF ALL THE SENIOR OFFICIALS IF HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER OR AT LEAST QUESTION THAT INTELLIGENCE MORE AGGRESSIVELY...
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| 00:38:05 |
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ENVOY RICHARD WHEN HE SERVED AS THE CONVOY PRESIDENT REAGAN TO THE MIDDLE EAST. HE WAS INSTRUCTED BY THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION TO FACILITATE
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| 00:38:22 |
GUEST, -
THE RESUMPTION OF TIES WITH IRAQ THAT HAD BEEN RUPTURED DURING THE IRAQ/IRAN WAR. BOTH WERE INTERESTED THEN HAD RESUMING THOSE TIES. IT WOULD BE A WAY...
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| 00:39:23 |
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COULD BE ENGAGING AND COURTEOUS. THERE WERE TREMENDOUS TENSIONS BETWEEN DONALD
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| 00:39:34 |
GUEST, -
RUMSFELD AND COLIN POWELL ON A BROAD RANGE OF POSSIBLE NEW THERE WAS A LOT OF GAMESMANSHIP AND THE BILLING. HE WOULD NEEDLE POWELL AT MEETINGS. SOMETIMES...
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| 00:40:36 |
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OF CHANGE
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| 00:40:38 |
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TO GO IN WITH LIGHTER FORCES, CHANGE THE MENTALITY, YOU SOMETIMES TAKE SOME OF THAT IN THE END OF YOUR REPUTATION IS NOT WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF YOU...
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| 00:41:24 |
GUEST, -
CRITICIZED FOR AN POORLY WHAT GOT HIM INTO TROUBLE WAS HIS STYLE. HE COULD BE NEEDLESSLY OFFENSIVE, ABRASIVE. AT LEAST THAT IS HOW MANY WOULD GO WITH...
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| 00:42:02 |
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HAVE BEEN ON THE FIELD. DONALD RUMSFELD SAID TO HIM AFTER HESITATING, YOU GO TO WAR WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT. TO ME THAT WAS INSENSITIVE. I HOPE YOU ADDRESS...
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| 00:42:41 |
GUEST, -
WHEN HE RETURNED TO WASHINGTON HE DID SEND OFF A NUMBER OF MEMOS TO SENIOR OFFICIALS TRYING TO DO BETTER ON THIS ISSUE. HOST: YOU WROTE THAT SCOWCROFT...
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| 00:43:20 |
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WHAT MAKES HIM MARK, WHAT MAKES HIM THE WAY THAT HE IS. AFTER DOING THIS BOOK ON HIM DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA? GUEST: I HAVE SOMETHING OF A BETTER IDEA, BUT...
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| 00:43:50 |
GUEST, -
VERY TOUGH, HARD IT- CHARGING SIDE TO HIM THAT GOT HIM INTO TROUBLE. IT ALSO MADE HIM EFFECTIVE IN BUSINESS. ON THE OTHER HAND HE CAN BE VERY AFFABLE,...
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| 00:45:42 |
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FALLACY BECAUSE IT WAS NOT WHAT THEY WANTED. THAT WAS SIMPLY FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION HERE IN THIS COUNTRY. IT SOUNDS GOOD BECAUSE WE HAVE A SO-CALLED...
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| 00:46:34 |
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DID RESIST THE STRONG PUSH IN THAT DIRECTION. HE HAD LONG DISCUSSIONS WITH THE POLICY CHIEF ON IT, ABOUT EXACTLY THE WORDING. HE TRIED TO KEEP THAT FROM...
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| 00:47:17 |
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LIKE THIS FELLOW SHOULD BE WRITING A BOOK ABOUT ADOLF HITLER IF HE WANTS TO WHITE SOMETHING OVER. THIS DONALD RUMSFELD IS THE BIGGEST CREEK EVER IN GOVERNMENT...
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| 00:48:13 |
GUEST, -
AS OVERBEARING. THERE WERE SURROUNDED BY A NUMBER OF AIDS WHO WERE OF SIMILAR MIND AND MANNER. THEY BOTH ENDED UP FLEEING THE UNITED STATES INTO VERY...
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| 00:49:43 |
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WHICH HE WAS INVOLVED. HE FELT THE AUTHORS DID NOT QUITE CAPTURE
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| 00:49:47 |
GUEST, -
THE EVENTS AS HE REMEMBERED. HE WANTS TO WRITE -- HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT WRITING A BOOK THAT OTHERS THINK WOULD BE INACCURATE OR SELF-SERVING AND MIGHT...
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| 00:50:50 |
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FAREWELL SERMON. HE CALLS IN THE BEST SECRETARY OF DEFENSE EVER AND THINKS HIS HARD-CHARGING STYLE WAS JUST WHAT WHAT WAS NEEDED TO BRING
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| 00:50:56 |
GUEST, -
ABOUT CHANGE. HOST: HERE ARE A COUPLE MORE CALLS. THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN LEAD. CALLER: THANK YOU. I WANTED TO ASK YOUR GUEST IF HE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE...
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| 00:51:19 |
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GO OFF TO IRAQ NOT SIGNING ANYTHING, HAVE THEY EVER STARTED A WAR LIKE THAT? I REMEMBER IN THE FIRST WORLD WAR FOR THE SHOT THE AUSTRIAN DIE AND THE THE...
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| 00:52:07 |
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OF MASS DESTRUCTION WERE AND IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT THEY WOULD BE FOUND -- HE GENUINELY BELIEVED IT. HOST: GOOD MORNING TO FLORIDA ON...
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| 00:52:39 |
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OFFICE, THE INSIDE WAS THE STAFF OF THE REGIME, UNDER GERALD FORD. TO SAY THAT THEY WERE NOT NEOCONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ERA IS RIDICULOUS. SECONDLY,...
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| 00:53:41 |
GUEST, -
CAR-CARRYING TROUBLE. HE FOUND IT USEFUL TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM SOME. . TO HAVE THEM IN HIS UPPER RANKS AT THE PENTAGON WAS ALSO USEFUL. BUT HE WAS...
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| 00:54:53 |
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HE WAS NOT GOING TO BE
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| 00:54:57 |
GUEST, -
A QUITTER AND WAS DETERMINED TO SEE IT THROUGH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KEPT HIM IN SCOUTING IN A TIGHT-KNIT STOCKING GROUP THERE IN THE CHICAGO...
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| 00:55:44 |
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THE WRITING HISTORY TRY TO MAKE YOUR FACE LESS HORRIFIC. DID DONALD RUMSFELD, IS HE ONE OF THE PEOPLE, BECAUSE YOU TOUCHED ON THAT EARLIER, THE REASON...
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| 00:56:47 |
GUEST, -
TO ANYBODY. I WANT TO SAY -- THERE ARE NO PROCEEDS OF THE BOOK TO GIVE TO ANYBODY YET. SOME CALLERS TO SOUND CRITICAL OF IT RUMSFELD. I THINK MY BOOK...
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| 00:57:51 |
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WE WILL TAKE YOU LIVE NOW TO THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB
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| 00:57:59 |
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CONCERNING IRAN.
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| 00:58:03 |
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IT IS THE MORNING NEWS EVENT. THE SPEAKER IS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE CAMPAIGN FOR CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AGAINST THE REGIME IN IRAN AND WILL CALL FOR A SECULAR...
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