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IN LATIN AMERICA AND STUDIES ABOUT LATIN AMERICA WAS BECAUSE OF YOUR WORK SPUR IT IS REALLY A GREAT PLEASURE FOR ME TO BE HERE WITH YOU. >> THANK YOU....
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MY NEW BABY. >>
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THIS IS THE BOOK,
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AT "MIRRORS" STORIES OF ALMOST EVERYONE BUT OF COURSE, I CHECKED
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OUT THE
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SPANISH
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TITLE TITLE, [SPEAKING SPANISH] WHICH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHICH
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MEANS UNIVERSAL HISTORY, ALMOST. >> Guest: ALMOST BECAUSE IF YOU SAY UNIVERSAL HISTORY IT SOUNDS SO HOLLOW AND ARROGANT. MY INTENTION WAS TO WRITE...
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BOUNDARIES OR FRONTIERS MORE FROM TIME OR FROM THE MAP, TO BE FREE. IT WAS ENDED VENTURE -- AND ADVENTURE. >> Host: I THINK IT IS LESS SERIOUS WHEN IT...
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BOOK THIS IS? >> YES. MY INTENTION WAS I NEVER KNOW WHAT THE RESULT IS THAT THE LEVEL OF GOOD INTENTIONS, THE GOOD INTENTION WAS TO RESCUE THE BEAUTY...
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ARE MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE TOLD WE ARE. OFFICIAL HISTORY HAS MUTILATED OUR PAST. THE MEDIA IT IS MUTILATING PRESENT HISTORY. WE ARE MUCH MORE THAN...
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HOW LONG THEY ARE. SOMETIMES THEY ARE HALF A PAGE, MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE BETWEEN ONE AND ONE 1/2 PAGES. JUST FOR FUN WOULD YOU READ IT THE FIRST...
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THEN HE SPOKE THE ARROW SPLIT THE LIVES DOWN THE MIDDLE AND A LIFE WAS TO. WHEN THEY CAUGHT SIGHT OF EACH OTHER THEY'VE LOST AND WHEN THEY TOUCHED EACH...
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IS PART OF DAILY LIFE. >> Host: IT IS ONE OF THE MOST AFFECTIONATE PIECES IN THE HUNDREDS OF PIECES I THINK YOU SAID THERE
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ARE 600? >> Guest: VERY, VERY SHORT STORIES. WHO FINALLY SURVIVED AFTER
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A PROCESS OF FOR ANNOUNCING AND SACRIFICING. THERE
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| 00:07:07 |
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ARE SOME OTHER SHORT STORIES IN THE FIRST VERSION BUT IT WAS COMPOSED SO THE BOOK WOULD HAVE A CONTINUED RHYTHM AND SOME OF THE STORIES WERE SO SAD....
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| 00:08:38 |
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BUT THE NARRATIVE STRUCTURE IS SIMILAR, YOU START OFF WITH THE GENESIS IS IT IS ALL ABOUT LATIN
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AMERICA AT THE WIND QUOTE IT IS
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ABOUT AMERICA INCLUDING NORTH AMERICA, IT IS THE AMERICA IS BECAUSE WE ARE AMERICANS IN THE SOUTH. >> Host: OF SOME OF THE. >> Guest: THE LANGUAGES...
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IS MUCH MORE
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AMBITIOUS. BECAUSE IT IS THE ENTIRE WORLD 87 THE ENTIRE WORLD AND THE ENTIRE HISTORY. I HAVE BEEN A FAN BUT I THINK PEOPLE ASSOCIATE YOU WITH THE GREAT...
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ME. EACH ONE OF US IS BECOMING DEFENSIVE YOU SELL, YOU ARE NOT SELLING YOU ARE SOLD OR YOU ARE BOUGHT A. >> Host: THE BBC I THINK DID THAT TO YOU THE...
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57,000. NEGATIVE AND A ONE OR 200,000 BUT IT BOUNCED UP AND DOWN BRIDE NOTICE THIS WEEK IS 17,000. SO YOU COULD BE A LITTLE MORE HUMBLE. [LAUGHTER] ...
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| 00:14:13 |
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I TRIED TO WIN THE PRIZE BUT I LOST BUT PERHAPS IT WAS NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH BECAUSE AT THAT TIME IT WAS 1970, THE LEFT WING USED TO BELIEVE THAT IF ...
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| 00:16:22 |
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ON WITH ME TO WRITE ABOUT THE PINOCHET DICTATOR SHIPWRECK OF THE BOOK, YOUR BOOK I THINK IT IS A DISTINCTION WOULD HAVE BEEN AMONG THE BOOKS THAT I...
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| 00:17:51 |
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OF BEING A PAMPHLETEER BECAUSE THAT AND THERE'S A LOT OF CRITICISM AS A RESULT. AND I WAS OFFENDED BY BECAUSE I KNOW THE BOOK
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| 00:18:00 |
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VERY WELL AND YOUR WORK VERY WELL AND I KNOW IT IS COMPELLING LITERATURE. YES. YOU
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| 00:18:09 |
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DEFINITELY MAKE YOUR POINT OF VIEW VERY CLEAR BUT I WANTED A QUOTE FROM A MEXICAN AND WRITER WHO WEIGHED IN ON THIS AND SAID YOU CAN SAY MANY THINGS...
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| 00:19:41 |
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EXPERIENCE. WE WERE SELLING WE ARE TALK ABOUT SELLING AND NOT SELLING IS IMPORTANT BUT IT IS YOUR SURVIVAL. IT WAS A GOOD EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IN THE CULTURE...
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| 00:22:45 |
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AFTER THAT TWO
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| 00:22:51 |
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BUT I WAS
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| 00:22:56 |
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OBLIGED TO LEAVE -- TO LEAVE ARGENTINA BECAUSE I DID NOT LIKE TO
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| 00:23:01 |
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BE THERE. I WAS OBLIGED TO GO OUT. YOU CANNOT DISTINGUISH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COURAGE AND MADNESS. I WAS LEVYING IN SUCH A WAY I WAS GOING TO BE...
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WAS MADNESS TO STAY ON IN ARGENTINA AT LEAST 22,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED AT THE PERIOD BY THE MILITARY, PARTICULARLY AFTER THE MILITARY COUP HAPPENED....
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ABLE TO CREATE A REAL MARKET IN THE
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ECONOMY BUT IT WAS QUITE SUCCESSFUL ANTI-DEPRESSION. >> Host: SO YOU DO THOSE WHO WERE PROMINENT EXILES WHO WERE BOTH MURDERED IN THIS PERIOD 1976....
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GOT OUT. >> Guest: FOR ME IT WAS. >> Host: BECAUSE YOU CONTINUE TO WRITE. >> Guest: I WENT TO
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SPAIN, LONDON, THERE I WROTE ALMOST 12 FOR 13 YEARS. >> Host: WHICH OTHER BOOKS ARE TRANSLATED
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IN ENGLISH? >> Guest: A LOT
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OF THEM
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THAT THEY WERE WRITTEN DURING THIS PERIOD OF EXILE AND IT
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GAVE ME TIME TO WRITE. IT WAS A VERY,
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VERY DIFFICULT EXPERIENCE, ALL AMERICAN HISTORY, THEY ARE THROUGH THE
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| 00:26:01 |
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SHORT STORIES. THROUGH THE FLESH AND BONE THAT YOU COULD TOUCH. >> Host: IN "MIRRORS" YOU CREATE A TAPESTRY OF STORY, THERE IS A FLOW OF WIND UP BACK...
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CONTINUITY BUT THE LOT OF THE LAND. I THINK UNDERLAY AND LIKE THE SUBWAY. >> Host: THE UNDERGROUND RIVER. >> Guest: YES. LIKE AN UNDERGROUND RIVER....
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| 00:27:14 |
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I
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HOPE NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS RIVER. >> Host: AND ONE ALMOST INEVITABLY LEADS TO ANOTHER. I FOUND READING "MIRRORS" SOMETIMES I WOULD STOP IN A --...
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| 00:27:42 |
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IS A PUSH RATHER THAN A POLL. I CANNOT STOPPER THE OTHER THING I EVERY NOW MAKES RE-READ THE NEXT LITTLE STORY. HOW DO YOU CREATE YOUR STORIES? BUT...
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| 00:28:22 |
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WORDS" WITH EDUARDO GALEANO AND JOHN DINGES CONTINUES. >> Host: AYAAN JOHN DINGES AND I AM TALKING WITH EDUARDO GALEANO AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIS BOOK,...
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| 00:29:35 |
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PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT IN LATIN AMERICA BECAUSE HE HAS CAPTURED THE LONG HISTORY OF REPRESSION
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| 00:29:44 |
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AND EXPLOITATION IMMIGRATION AND CONQUESTS AND DONE THIS AND A NUMBER OF BOOKS AND THAT WASN'T ENOUGH JUST TO TALK ABOUT LATIN AMERICA. HE'S NOW TAKEN...
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| 00:30:54 |
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TO UNITE THE MIND AND THE HEART AND THE HORRORS AND MARVELS OF LIFE BECAUSE IF I
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| 00:31:03 |
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WOULD BE JUST A WRITER WRITING ABOUT REPRESSION AND DEATH AND THE TERRIBLE LIFE OF SO MANY PEOPLE WHO
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| 00:31:18 |
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ARE LIVING IN THIS PLANET LIVING IT AND HELD. AND I WOULD BE PORTRAYING REALITY BECAUSE IT INCLUDES AN HOUR SIDE FORTUNATELY ENOUGH WE HAVE EVIDENCE...
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| 00:32:10 |
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WAS SAD BECAUSE MY COMPANION,,, FRIEND AND
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MY DOG WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DOLL DOG DIED OF REALITY. THAT DAY WITH FIVE DAYS BEFORE ARRIVING HERE I WAS FEELING LIKE EVERYTHING WAS TERRIBLE, AND I...
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| 00:37:31 |
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IF HIS BRAIN WERE NOT AS GOOD AS OUR BRAIN, HE WASN'T AS SMART AS WE ARE AND I WAS THINKING APPROXIMATELY 40,000 YEARS AGO THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE DOING...
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| 00:38:23 |
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IS PROBABLY I WILL USE THE WORD FEMINIST BOOKS I HAVE EVER READ. THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF PORTRAITS OF WOMEN ARE FAVORABLE AT
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| 00:38:40 |
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MIRING, ADORING. MAN COME IN FOR MUCH MORE CRITICISM IN YOUR BOOK. >> Guest: BUT WE ARE HALF OF HUMANITY. WE ARE NOT ALL OF HUMANITY. SO IT IS TIME TO...
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| 00:39:08 |
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IS PERFECTLY POSSIBLE THE BOOK TRIED TO RECALL OR DISCOVER THE
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| 00:39:17 |
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MEMORY OF LESS THIS
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| 00:39:29 |
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BAYH -- THE SPIES. THE UNITED STATES NOW HAS BEEN BLACK OR A HALF BLACK PRESIDENT. AND IN THE BOOK THERE ARE A LOT OF STORIES ABOUT BLACKS NOT ONLY...
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| 00:42:31 |
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LOT OF HUMOR ROOM, SO I PICKED OUT ONE PARTICULAR COUPLE EXAMPLES WHERE I THOUGHT YOU'D DEVELOPED THE ONE IT IS ECHO. >> Guest: THE GREEK GOD. >> Host:...
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| 00:43:04 |
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KNEW HOW TO SPEAK. AND SHE SPOKE
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| 00:43:08 |
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WITH SUCH GRACE THAT HER WORDS SEEMED ALWAYS TO NEW,
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| 00:43:13 |
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NEVER BEFORE SPOKEN BY ANY. BUT THE GODDESS CURSED HER DURING ONE OF HER FREQUENT FITS OF JEALOUSY. AND SUFFERED THE WORST PUNISHMENT, SHE WAS DEPRIVED...
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| 00:44:24 |
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Host: I HAD NEVER HEARD, HERE'S HOW IT GOES. ST. JOSEPH -- THIS IS ABOUT CONTRACEPTION. ST. JOSEPH, YOU WHO HAD WITHOUT DOING NAKED SO THAT I DO WITHOUT...
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THIS
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| 00:44:45 |
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IS [SPEAKING IN SPANISH] THAT'S
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| 00:45:00 |
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IT, THAT'S IT. >> Host: THE IRONY, THE JOKE, IT'S GREAT. >> Guest: IN ENGLISH, HOW WAS IT IN ENGLISH -- >> Host: ST. JOSEPH, YOU WHO HAD WITHOUT DOING,...
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| 00:45:22 |
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A SPANISH COPY OF THE BOOKS LIKE COULDN'T
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| 00:45:24 |
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MAKE ANY OF THESE COMPARISONS, BUT I
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| 00:45:28 |
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AM REALLY IMPRESSED TRANSLATION. >> Guest: AND THE OTHER TRANSLATOR I HAD BEFORE -- >> Host: HE TRANSLATED THIS, RIGHT? >> Guest: OPEN VEINS, YES. WE...
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| 00:45:56 |
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SPECIAL. HE HAD SUCH A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH ME THAT WHEN HE
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| 00:46:02 |
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BLOWS TRANSLATING I THINK THERE ARE THREE
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| 00:46:09 |
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VOLUMES, YES, AND HE DIED DURING THE BOOK OF EMBRACES, AND WHEN HE ARRIVED TO CHECK ONE OF THE 1,000 STORIES, WHICH HE WOULD NOT WRITE. I WOULDN'T SAY...
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| 00:47:43 |
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YOU DEVELOPED. REVOLUTION AND IDEOLOGY AND THEN I WANT TO TALK ABOUT RELIGION.
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| 00:47:50 |
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BUT LET'S START WITH THE IDEOLOGY. YOU SAID IN AN INTERVIEW THAT I READ I AM STRONGLY INFLUENCED BY MARXISM AND I LOVE TENNIS. PERHAPS I
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| 00:47:59 |
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BELONGED TO THE SUPERSTITIOUS WING OF THE MARXIST MOVEMENT TO THE MAGIC WINNING. I'VE ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE DOGMATIC SPIRITS WHO REPEAT IDEAS...
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BOOKS. IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO IMAGINE SUCH A THING. I WAS 18, 19-YEARS-OLD AND WE WERE THE CAPITOL OF DOING THAT AND THIS MARKED ME FOREVER LIKE THE...
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| 00:50:48 |
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LINEN, NOT STALIN, EMILIANO, THE GREAT MEXICAN REVOLUTIONARY, AND ANOTHER GREAT MEXICAN REBEL PARTICULARLY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, FIDEL CASTRO --...
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| 00:51:32 |
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THE OTHERS, SALVADOR, A PERSON THAT ALSO MARKED MY HAND CAREER A GREAT DEAL. THESE ARE -- I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD LEFT ANYBODY OUT BUT THESE ARE THE REVOLUTIONARIES...
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IN MIRRORS ONE. >> Guest: THERE WAS A WOMAN CALLED ROSA. INSTEAD OF SPEAKING AT OUT -- >> Host: YOU QUOTED HER. IT'S 277. >> Guest: THIS IS A BOOK WITHOUT...
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| 00:52:19 |
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EXCEPTIONAL BECAUSE I OWED ROSA THE CERTITUDE THAT ANOTHER WORLD AS POSSIBLE. AND
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| 00:52:31 |
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SHE MAINLY SHE
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| 00:52:34 |
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WAS OF THE GREAT TRAGEDY OF THE 20TH CENTURY BECAUSE THE GREAT TRAGEDY OF 20TH CENTURY WALLACE THE WAR BETWEEN JUSTICE AND FREEDOM. HALF OF THE WORLD...
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| 00:53:28 |
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CAPITALISM -- [INAUDIBLE] >>
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| 00:53:30 |
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Host: WITH MAKEUP, RIGHT. WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION OF WHICH MARXIST YOU ADMIRED, I HAD IN MIND ROSA LUXEMBOURG BECAUSE THAT IS THE PERSON THAT YOU...
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| 00:53:52 |
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LOOKING NOW BACK AT THAT ERA OF REVOLUTION IN LATIN AMERICA WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH OVER AT LEAST IN OUR GENERATION BUT DO YOU THINK WE CAME OUT OF IT WITH?...
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| 00:54:27 |
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CHANGING REALITY AND IN VENEZUELA AND ECUADOR THE PLAIN COMMON SENSE FOR INSTANCE KOREA, THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE SAYS WE ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THE...
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| 00:56:38 |
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IS A WERE IDLED LIKE AT ALL. AND EVEN THE WORD LEADERSHIP, I LIKE MOST OF OBAMA SPEECHES BUT
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| 00:56:53 |
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HE TALKS SO MUCH ABOUT LEADERSHIP, WE MUST LOOK AT THE LEADERSHIP. PLEASE, STOP SPEAKING ABOUT LEADERSHIP. LET'S SPEAK ABOUT FRIENDSHIP. THAT IS THE...
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| 00:58:18 |
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FOR ENORMOUS CRITICISM. EUROPE COMES FOR TERRIBLE CRITICISM. LATIN AMERICA IS IN MANY WAYS A VICTIM. BUT I DON'T THINK OF IT AS A PESSIMISTIC BOOK,...
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| 00:59:10 |
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AWAY FROM NOR TIME IF YOU SHARE WITH THEM A COMMON LAW FOR JUSTICE IN AND FREEDOM LIKE HAPPENED WITH MY TWO WHO WERE BORN IN THE UNITED STATES AND NOT...
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| 01:00:30 |
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DINGES SPEAKING WITH EDUARDO GALEANO AND WE WILL END THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> Guest: THANK YOU. I ABSOLUTELY FORGOT I WAS IN A TV STUDIO. I WAS...
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SIMON SCHAMA, PROFESSOR TALKS ABOUT RELIGION AND RACE AND WAR AND HOW THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN ECHOED THROUGH THE UNITED STATES HISTORY.
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.