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Unidentified Speaker, -
AT BOOKSTORES AROUND THE COUNTRY. GENERAL --
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HOST, -
WIDELY AVAILABLE AT BOOKSTORES AROUND THE COUNTRY. GENERAL, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A PARAGRAPH IN YOUR BOOK ABOUT NOT BEING CLEAR ON THE OBJECTIVES ON...
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| 00:01:01 |
GUEST, -
YOU'RE FIGHTING AND INSURGENCY, THOSE DISTINCTIONS ARE NOT AS CLEAR. SO IT IS DIFFICULT TO DESCRIBE WHAT VICTORY IS. IN THE MILITARY SENSE, THERE IS...
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| 00:01:45 |
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MORE --" GUEST: WE WOULD MEET OFTEN AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL ON AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, LESS FREQUENTLY, OF COURSE -- MANY TIMES AS FREQUENTLY...
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| 00:02:10 |
GUEST, -
GUEST: YES, PART OF A LARGER ISSUE, WHICH IS NOT EXTREMISM SO MUCH, BUT A GLOBAL INSURGENCY. YOU SEE IT PLAY OUT IN PAKISTAN, FROM TIME TO TIME IN INDIA,...
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| 00:02:27 |
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WHERE THERE IS INSURGENT ACTIVITY TRYING TO
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| 00:02:31 |
GUEST, -
DELEGITIMIZE LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT. DOING IT THROUGH VIOLENCE. SO THAT IS WHY VIOLENT EXTREMISM IS THE TERM I PUT ON IT, INSTEAD OF THE WAR ON TERROR....
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| 00:03:04 |
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BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE TIME, STEP BACK, AND SAY, OK, ARE WE
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| 00:03:11 |
GUEST, -
DOING WITH VIOLENT EXTREMISM IN THE WAY WE SHOULD. ARE WE OVER USING THE MILITARY HAD NOT USING THE DIPLOMATIC OR THE ECONOMIC OR THE INTERMISSION...
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| 00:03:54 |
HOST, -
ELEMENTS OF POWER TO BEAR ON A PROBLEM. THE ONE ELEMENT OF POWER THAT AS WELL RESOURCE
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| 00:03:59 |
GUEST, -
TO THAT WILL DO EXACTLY WHAT THE PRESIDENT, COMMANDER IN CHIEF, SAYS TO DO IS THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AND THE MILITARY. THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT...
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| 00:05:25 |
HOST, -
RIGHT NOW IN WASHINGTON. HERE ARE THE PHONE NUMBERS. 2202-737-0002 FOR DEMOCRATS. 202-737-0001 FOR REPUBLICANS. 202-628-0205 FOR INDEPENDENTS. LET'S BEGIN...
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| 00:07:12 |
HOST, -
ON IRAQ. AND I THINK IN THE END, BOTH IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN, WHILE THERE IS CERTAINLY ASSISTANCE IN HELPING THEM SHAPE THEIR NEW CONSTITUTIONS -- IF...
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| 00:07:24 |
GUEST, -
BOTH IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN HAVE RELATIVELY NEW CONSTITUTIONS. THEY ARE BOTH CONSIDERED LIBERAL CONSTITUTION, AND THEY ARE THEIR OWN WORK. THE U.N. HELP,...
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| 00:09:25 |
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ANOTHER -- BUT THE WMD WAS ANOTHER CONCERN FROM A PICKUP SO THAN WHEN THE ISSUE TURNED OUT AS IT DID -- BUT THE WMD WAS ANOTHER CONCERN FRO MAYFOR ME....
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| 00:10:16 |
GUEST, -
WOULD GRAB THEIR OWN DESTINY AND MARKED OFF, AND THAT JUST DID NOT HAPPEN. SO WE GOT INTO WHAT WAS NATION- BUILDING TO SOME EXTENT. HOST: FOR THE ENSUING...
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| 00:10:48 |
HOST, -
GUEST: SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS WERE MADE WITHOUT ENOUGH DEBATE IN THE NATIONAL-SECURITY APPARATUS AT THE TIME BY THOSE IN CHARGE -- AND, BY THE WAY,...
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| 00:11:09 |
GUEST, -
NATION THAT HAS DONE GREAT HARM TO THE BAATH PARTY AND MEMBERS OF THE BAATH PARTY. IT WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN TO TAKE THE ARMY AND TURN THEM AROUND AND...
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| 00:12:37 |
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WAS -- IT TOOK US A WHILE TO DEVELOP, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEASURE THEM? ARE WE GOING TO MEASURE THEM LIKE WE MEASURE U.S. FORCES? PROBABLY KNOW, THAT...
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| 00:12:59 |
GUEST, -
UP TO THE STANDARDS THAT WE THINK THEY SHOULD PERFORM UP TO. IT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IN 2004 WE PUT GENERAL PETRAEUS IN CHARGE OF THE TRAINING...
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| 00:14:52 |
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ABOUT THE INSTRUMENTS OF POWER -- THE DIPLOMATIC AND ECONOMIC AND INFORMATIONAL INSTRUMENTS OF POWER. WHEN PAUL BREMER WAS GIVEN
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| 00:14:59 |
GUEST, -
THE JOB OF STANDING UP HIS STAFF AS THE COALITION OF 40, I DO NOT KNOW IF IT EVER GOT MANNED TO 100%. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MANNED WITH CIVILIANS. BUT...
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| 00:16:21 |
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I MAY, SUSAN, WITH RELATION TO THE LAST TOPIC, OK, SO FAR AS PRESIDENT OBAMA NOT RELEASING THE PHOTOS, I HAVE TO SAY I WAS IN THE MARINE CORPS, OK I...
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| 00:18:11 |
HOST, -
AT GUANTANAMO FLUSHED THE KARANORAN DOWN THE TOILET. IT TOOK TWO WEEKS TO GO OVER THE
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| 00:18:23 |
GUEST, -
DATA AND FIND OUT THAT THERE WAS NO RECORD THAT THAT HAPPENED. IN THE MEANTIME, AS MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, THERE WERE TWO INJURED 50 PEOPLE KILLED IN...
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| 00:19:42 |
HOST, -
THE ENEMY'S IMAGINATION." GUEST: THE EXTREMISTS WILL USE INSTANCES LIKE THIS COME AT ANY TIME WE SCREW UP -- ABU GHRAIB WAS A HUGE MISTAKE, AND IT HURT...
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| 00:20:11 |
GUEST, -
SORT OF TRYING TO WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS, BUT OUR VOICE IS NOT WELCOME. BUT OUR ACTIONS HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY PRUDENT AND VERY CAREFUL. ABSOLUTELY....
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| 00:20:44 |
HOST, -
IT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED BECAUSE THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE BEING HURT ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT QUESTION, AND IT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED. I KNOW
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| 00:20:52 |
GUEST, -
DENNIS ROSS, I HAVE WORKED WITH HIM WHEN I WAS ASSISTANT TO THE CHAIRMAN. HE IS A SERIOUS MAN. CERTAINLY THE OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT --...
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| 00:21:32 |
HOST, -
THINK I WILL SEE IF I CAN GET THROUGH THIS. I HAVE A STATEMENT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. IN THE PAST THERE WAS A REVOLUTION, AND I HOPE WE NEVER...
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| 00:21:47 |
GUEST, -
IS GENERALLY THE WEALTHY THAT ARE THE FIRST TO GO, THE FIRST TO BE DISPATCHED. MOST IMPORTANT, THE SECOND ONES TO GO ARE THE MOUTHPIECES AND THE PUNDITS...
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| 00:23:24 |
GUEST, -
BECAME TOO PARTISAN. IT WAS DIFFICULT, PARTICULARLY AFTER THE 2004 ELECTIONS, TO HAVE GOOD, SOLID A POLITICAL -- APOLITICAL DEBATE ON THE ISSUES, BECAUSE...
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| 00:25:23 |
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YOU KIND OF ANSWER THAT QUESTION. AND I CORRECT THAT YOU ARE BASICALLY AGAINST THAT? GUEST: WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO SPECIFICALLY? HOST: THE PHOTOS....
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| 00:25:56 |
GUEST, -
BUT THAT IS
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| 00:25:57 |
HOST, -
HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS IN THIS COUNTRY.
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| 00:26:00 |
GUEST, -
BUT I THINK THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND THE MILITARY LEADERSHIP HAVE DETERMINED THAT THESE PHOTOS WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR ARMED FORCES AND PERHAPS...
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| 00:26:34 |
HOST, -
WERE SUSPECTED TERRORISTS SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME AS CONVENTIONAL PRISONERS, CONVENTIONAL WAR, IN OTHER WORDS COME IN UNIFORM, AND BE GIVEN THE SAME...
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| 00:27:39 |
GUEST, -
HIGH GROUND. SO WE CLEARLY CANNOT TREAT DETAINEES AS THEY TREAT US IF AN AMERICAN SERVICE MEMBERS WERE CAPTURED THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. -- AND AMERICA...
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| 00:29:43 |
HOST, -
MCCHRYSTAL? GUEST: THAT IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE BECAUSE I AM NOT ON THE INSIDE, I AM NOT ON THOSE DEBATES. GENERAL MCKIERNAN IS THE ONE WHO LED ALL OF THE...
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| 00:30:07 |
GUEST, -
ALTHOUGH BETWEEN GENERAL PETRAEUS, WHO IS THE COMMAND -- THE CENTRAL COMMAND COMMANDER. SECRETARY GATES, OTHERS -- WE ALL SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE...
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| 00:31:05 |
HOST, -
CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF. HE LATER WENT TO RUN OUR SPECIAL FORCES OPERATIONS IN THE REGION AND HAD A LOT TO DO WITH BUILDING OUR CAPABILITY...
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| 00:31:23 |
GUEST, -
PAKISTAN BORDER VERY, VERY WELL. HE KNOWS THE PLAYERS IN THE REGION, SO HE IS A FINE CHOICE TO GO OVER THERE. BY THE SAME TOKEN, I DO NOT THINK A SPECIAL...
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| 00:32:21 |
HOST, -
THE TREASURY, PLAYED SOFTBALL WITH IT. 80% OF HALLIBURTON IS FRAUD, SIR. K B R AND HALLIBURTON -- LET'S SEE, 17 AMERICANS ARE DEAD, AND THEY GOT RETROACTIVE...
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| 00:33:16 |
GUEST, -
EFFECTIVE IN SATISFYING ITS CITIZENS, AND FOR MANY REASONS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HE IS IN ANY WAY INVOLVED IN THE DRUG
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| 00:33:24 |
HOST, -
BUSINESS OR ANY ILLICIT ACTIVITY. AFTER ALL, HE HAD ANOTHER LIFE WHEN HE WAS SORT OF DRAFTED TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF AFGHANISTAN , WHICH WOULD
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| 00:33:35 |
GUEST, -
NEVER BE AN EASY THING TO DO. SO I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR PRESIDENT KARZAI. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE REPORTING IS THAT THAT GOVERNMENT IS BECOMING A...
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| 00:35:15 |
HOST, -
AND REHASH OLD EVENTS, BUT I TRULY THINK THIS IS THE GIANT GORILLA IN THE ROOM HERE. RECENTLY PHYSICAL EVIDENCE HAS BEEN ANALYZED UNDER AN ELECTRON MICROSCOPE...
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| 00:37:13 |
HOST, -
GUEST: THERE IS -- IT IS HARD TO PROVE A NEGATIVE, AND THAT IS WHY MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THIS CONSPIRACY. I CERTAINLY DO NOT. I SAW A PLANE PARTS AAROUND...
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| 00:37:36 |
GUEST, -
AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CALLER IS TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS HIGH- EXPLOSIVE TECHNOLOGY -- I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT PRESIDENT BUSH EVER ASSIGNED THE...
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| 00:38:54 |
HOST, -
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? GUEST: I WAS ON CAPITOL HILL, GOT BACK TO THE PENTAGON. THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, THE PENTAGON HAD BEEN HIT. THREE OCCURRENCES...
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| 00:39:19 |
GUEST, -
THIS IS NOT AN EASY THING. I MEAN, WE WENT TO GET PERMISSION TO SHOOT IT DOWN, BUT THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU ARE SHOOTING DOWN AN AIRLINER WITH...
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| 00:40:51 |
HOST, -
THE LOBBYISTS COMPLETELY TOOK US INTO THIS WAR. THEY EXPLAINED CLEARLY THAT ALL WE WERE GOING TO DO WAS TO SHIFT THE BALANCE
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| 00:41:04 |
GUEST, -
OF POWER TO IRAN. TO THE SHIITE GROUP. THIS IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED. WE HAVE COMPLETELY DISRUPTED THE MIDDLE EAST. AND THE LOBBYISTS HAD THEIR WAY. IN FACT,...
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| 00:42:44 |
GUEST, -
IF VIOLENT EXTREMISTS CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS OR NUCLEAR WEAPONS, THEY WOULD NOT HESITATE TO USE THEM. IF YOU JUST THINK ABOUT THAT...
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| 00:45:21 |
HOST, -
SEATS ON THE BOARDS OF CORPORATIONS. BUT HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE SENIOR MILITARY GOING TO THESE COMPANIES AND SERVING ON THE BOARDS, AND HOW THE DECISIONS...
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| 00:45:58 |
GUEST, -
NORTHROP GRUMMAN IS CLEARLY A DEFENSE CONTRACTOR. YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING LAST NIGHT AT DINNER WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE COME AT A DINNER TO HONOR SENATORS...
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| 00:48:52 |
HOST, -
MADE UP OF THIS WAR. AS NASTY AS SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS, HE DID KEEP OUT AL QAEDA AND SOME OF THESE OTHERS BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT THEY WOULD OUST HIM. I DO...
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| 00:49:47 |
HOST, -
OF PRESIDENT BUSH FOR BUILDING PUBLIC SUPPORT AND EXPLAIN THE
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| 00:49:51 |
GUEST, -
REASONS EFFECTIVELY. GUEST: WELL, I THINK -- FOR NOT DOING THAT? YES, PRESIDENT BUSH WAS CAUGHT BETWEEN TRYING TO FIND A DIPLOMATIC
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| 00:50:04 |
HOST, -
ANSWER TO THE IRAQ ISSUE, AT THE SAME TIME PREPARING FOR POTENTIALLY WAR. HE HAD TO BE CAREFUL HOW HE DID THAT BECAUSE, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE WAS A...
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| 00:50:18 |
GUEST, -
THROUGH SECRETARY PAUL IN OUR U.N. AMBASSADOR -- THROUGH SECRETARY PAULOWELL AND OUR U.N. AMBASSADOR. AND THEN AFTERWARDS, THERE WAS A LOT OF SUPPORT,...
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| 00:51:53 |
HOST, -
BATTLE, WE GO IN IT TO WIN, AND WE DO NOT APOLOGIZE TO ANYBODY FOR OUR ACTIONS BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE CUT OUR HEADS OFF, AND I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD...
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| 00:52:49 |
HOST, -
FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE IN THE MARINE CORPS AND AIR FORCE. AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO HOW WE
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| 00:53:00 |
GUEST, -
WANT -- TWO POINTS -- WHEN YOU ARE FIGHTING IN INSURGENCY, VERY FEW OF THEM COME ABOUT THE END OR SUCCESS BY MILITARY VICTORY. WE'RE DEALING WITH AN ADVERSARY...
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| 00:57:42 |
HOST, -
ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER GOES BEFORE THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THIS MORNING TO TALK ABOUT JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS. WE WILL HAVE LIVE COVERAGE...
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