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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
OF STATE, DEPUTY TO SECRETARY CONDOLEEZZA RICE FROM 2005 TO 2007. FROM 1998 TO 2005, HE DIRECTED THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA'S MILLER CENTER OF PUBLIC...
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
MAKER. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE PRESIDENT'S FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE ADVISORY BOARD FROM 2001 TO 2003, SO I DO REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS LIKE AFTER 9/11 AND WHAT...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
SERVICE, SPECIALIZING IN HUMAN RIGHTS LAW AND NATIONAL SECURITY LAW. PROFESSOR ADICUTT HOLDS A MASTER OF LAWS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA SCHOOL...
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Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
BY THE SUBJECT LEGAL MEMORANDUMS. IN THE CONTEXT OF THE APPROVED INTERROGATION METHODOLOGIES, THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CIA'S USE OF...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
TO. AND WHEN THE UNITED STATES SIGNED A TORTURE CONVENTION, WE HAD CERTAIN RESERVATIONS IN
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Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
THERE AND WE SAID THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT IN ORDER TO CONSTITUTE TORTURE, AN ACT MUST SPECIFICALLY INTEND TO INFLICT SEVERE MENTAL OR PHYSICAL PAIN...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
A FORMER CHAIR OF THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION STANDING COMMITTEE ON LAW AND NATIONAL SECURITY, A VETERAN OF THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION AND A FORMER...
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Turner, Robert F. - Co-Founder & Assoc. Director
BROKE, I WAS GOING ON A SHORT VACATION WITH MY 14-YEAR-OLD SON, DRIVING DOWN INTERSTATE 64 WHEN MY CELL PHONE RANG. IT WAS VOICE OF AMERICA WANTING A...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
SECURITY MEASURES FOR MR. SOUFAN CAN BE PUT INTO PLACE. EVERYBODY CAN, THE WITNESSES CAN REMAIN IN THEIR SEATS. IT WILL JUST TAKE A SECOND TO CLEAR...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM CASES INCLUDING THE ATTACK ON THE. USS "COLE" HE'S RECEIVED NUMEROUS REWARDS FOR HIS WORK, THE FBI'S AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
BEFORE YOU TODAY. I KNOW THAT EACH ONE OF YOU CARES DEEPLY ABOUT OUR NATION'S SECURITY. IT WAS ALWAYS A COMFORT TO ME
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
DURING THE MOST DANGEROUS SITUATIONS THAT I FACED FROM GOING UNDERCOVER AS AN AL QAEDA OPERATIVE, TO TRACKING DOWN THE KILLERS OF
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
THE 17 U.S. SAILORS MURDERED ON THE U.S.S. "COLE" THAT THOSE OF US ON THE FRONT LINE HAD YOUR SUPPORT AND THE BACKING OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SO I THANK...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
PART OF THE RECORD. PLEASE PROCEED, WITHOUT OBJECTION. >> IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH OF 9/11, TOGETHER WITH MY
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
PARTNER, SPECIAL AGENT ROBERT McFADDEN, FIRST CLASS AGENT FROM THE NAVAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE, WE OBTAINED A TREASURE TROVE OF HIGHLY...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
2001. IT'S INCLUDED EXTENSIVE INFORMATION ON EVERYTHING FROM OSAMA BIN LADEN'S NETWORK AND MODE OF OPERATION, TO DETAILS ON INDIVIDUAL OPERATIVES, SOME...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
NON-CLASSIFIED. YOU WERE PRESENT, INDEED YOU WERE ONE OF THE FIRST, IF NOT THE FIRST SPER GAITINTERROGATEORS PRESENT WHEN ABU ZUBAYDAH WAS BROUGHT...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
DIE. BUT AT THE HOSPITAL,
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
YOU CONTINUED YOUR QUESTIONING. AND IT WAS DURING YOUR QUESTIONING OF HIM AT THE HOSPITAL THAT YOU ELICITED INFORMATION REGARDING
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
THE
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
PREVIOUSLY-UNKNOWN ROLE OF KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED AS THE MASTERMIND OF THE 9/11 ATTACKS. >> CORRECT, SIR. >> ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT PIECES OF INTELLIGENCE...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
ARRIVED. AND IMMEDIATELY,
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
YOU SAY ON THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE CONTRACTOR,
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
HARSH TECHNIQUES WERE
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
INTRODUCED. WHICH DID NOT PRODUCE RESULTS AS ABU ZUBAYDAH SHUT DOWN AND STOPPED TALKING, CORRECT? >>
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
CORRECT, SIR. >> AND WITH THAT HAPPENING, YOU KNEW HE HAD
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
GOOD INFORMATION, HE SHUT DOWN UNDER THE HARSH TECHNIQUES. AND SO YOU AGAIN WERE GIVEN CONTROL OF THE INTERROGATION, CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. >> AND...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
SIR, ME AND ANOTHER AGENT
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
WHO WAS WITH ME AND A TOP C.I.A. SPER GATOR. SO IT WAS OUR INTERROGATION TEAM WAS A COMBINATION BETWEEN FBI AND C.I.A. AND ALL OF US HAD THE SAME
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
OPINION, THAT COULDN'T
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
DIGTED WITH THE CONTRADICTED WITH THE CONTRACTOR. >> AND IN THIS THIRD INTERVIEW, OR SERIES
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
OF INTERVIEWS, ANYWAY, THE ONE BEFORE THE HOSPITAL. ONE IN THE HOSPITAL AND ONE AFTER THE FIRST ROUND OF HARSH INTERROGATION, WHEN YOU WERE BROUGHT...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
PADILLA, THE SO-CALLED DIRTY BOMBER, CORRECT? >> YES, SIR. >> AND THEN, AGAIN, THE CONTRACTOR REASSERTED HIMSELF AND BEGAN REIMPLEMENTING HARSH TECHNIQUES....
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
BACK
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
INTO INTERROGATE HIM. NOW IT WAS MORE DIFFICULT, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE HARSH TECHNIQUES HAD BEEN APPLIED. AND HIS RESISTANCE HAD BEEN INCREASED. BUT...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
POINT, THE CONTRACTOR TOOK OVER AND BEGAN
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
STEPPING UP THE NOTCHES OF HIS EXPERIMENT TO THE POINT WHERE YOU PROTESTED TO YOUR SUPERIORS IN THE FBI THAT THIS WAS BECOMING INAPPROPRIATE, ILLEGAL....
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
LEGAL COUNSEL OPINION OF MAY 30th, 2005, ON PAGE 10, HERE'S
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
WHAT THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL SAID WAS THE FACT. INTERROGATIONS
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
OF ZUBAYDAH, AGAIN, ONCE ENHANCED TECHNIQUES WERE EMPLOYED, FURNISHED
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
DETAILED INFORMATION REGARDING AL QAEDA'S ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, KEY OPERATIVES AND MODE OF OPERATION AND IDENTIFIED KSM AS THE MASTERMIND OF...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
FIREFIGHT THAT BROUGHT HIM INTO CUSTODY
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
AND HE SURVIVED ONLY BECAUSE OF THE MED KARL CARE ARRANGED BY THE C.I.A. AFTER HE ROO HE COVERED, HE WAS DEFIANT AND EVASISH. DURING QUESTIONING HE AT...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
YOUR EXPERIENCE ON HAND. >> YES, SIR. >> I'M OVER MY TIME. SENATOR GRAHAM? >> SINCE THERE'S JUST THE TWO OF US, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING. THANK YOU,...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
CHAIRMAN. WHAT WE'VE GOT IS FOUR LAWYERS WHO ARE VERY BRIGHT. ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON, THEY LIKE VIRGINIA. AND I, I COUNTED SEVEN OPINIONS AMONG...
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| 00:42:05 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
YOU DISAGREED WITH YOURSELVES SOMEWHERE ALONG
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THE LINE. AND THE POINT IS THAT YOU'RE VERY
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
BRIGHT, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING. AND MR. SOUFAN, THANK YOU FOR SERVING OUR COUNTRY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> AND I APPRECIATE YOUR VIEW OF HOW WE SHOULD...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
THAT WERE EMPLOYED
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
RIGHT AFTER 9/11 YIELDED NO GOOD INFORMATION? >> I CAN ONLY SPEAK ABOUT MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. >> AND THAT'S THE POINT, ISN'T IT? >> YES. >> AND...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
SOUFAN, I APPRECIATE
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
WHAT YOU'RE
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
TELLING US. WERE YOU INVOLVED WITH
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
THE INTERROGATION OF KSM AT ALL? >> NO, AFTER MY STAND ON ABU ZUBAYDAH, WHAT I BELIEVED WAS RIGHT -- >> I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT ALL. I'M JUST SAYING...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
CONVENTION, MR. TURNER, APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENT, BY THE WAY. THE
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
GENEVA CONVENTION TO ME IS ALWAYS BEEN A WAREHOUSING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SIGNATORY NATIONS. WE CATCH SOME OF YOUR GUYS, I'M GOING TO TREAT IT WELL...
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Turner, Robert F. - Co-Founder & Assoc. Director
BATTLEFIELD. AND THE KING SAID OR THE PRINCE SAID, GET YOUR TAIL BACK ON THE BATTLEFIELD. AND SO THEY FINALLY SAID, LOOK, LET'S NOT KILL THEM. LET'S...
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
UNLIKE ANY WAR WE'VE EVER HAD, THIS WAR IS 90% INTELLIGENCE. USUALLY YOU NEED YOUR INTELLIGENCE SERVICE TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATION OF YOUR ENEMIES AND...
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Turner, Robert F. - Co-Founder & Assoc. Director
THEM AND KNOW HA THEY'RE DOING. SO INTELLIGENCE IS
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Turner, Robert F. - Co-Founder & Assoc. Director
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. >> MR. ANDICOT, IS THAT RIGHT? WE'RE THE ONLY NATION I KNOW OF THAT CONSIDERS AL QAEDA OPERATIVES A MILITARY THREAT. EVERY OTHER...
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
BEEN ENGAGED IN INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCES ON JUST THIS POINT WITH OUR KEY ALLIES IN THE LAST FOUR YIRS. >> IS THERE ANY ONE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT HOLDS...
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
THEORY. BUT PARTLY IT'S BECAUSE OTHER COUNTRIES ARE HOLDING
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
THEM UNDER THAT THEORY. >> MY POINT IS
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
WE DO HOLD PEOPLE UNDER THE THEORY OF ARMED CONFLICT. VEFR BEEN TO AN
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
INTERROGATION CONDUCTED BY THE SPANISH POLICE? >> I HAVE NOT HAD THAT RARE PRIVILEGE, SIR. >> WELL,
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
I HAVE. >> HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO AN INTERROGATION CONDUCTED BY THE CARBONERI IN
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
ITALY? >> NEITHER HAVE I. >> DO YOU BELIEVE, MR. TURNER, THAT THESE INTERROGATIONS ARE COMMON ARTICLE III COMPLIANT? >> NO, SIR. >> THERE IS NO
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN THE
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
WORLD DEALING WITH
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
TERRORISM. AND INTERROGATES IN A COMMON ARTICLE III MANNER. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SAY HELLO FIRMLY.
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
UNDER COMMON ARTICLE III. I JUST WANT THE
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
WORLD TO UNDERSTAND -- AND THEN MY TIME IS UP. THAT THE REASON WE
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Turner, Robert F. - Co-Founder & Assoc. Director
HAVE ADOPTED
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
A DIFFERENT THEORY. IS VERY IMPORTANT, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE AT WAR. AND THE PEOPLE WE'RE PROSECUTING DIDN'T ROB A LIQUOR STORE, THEY'RE AN ONGOING...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
OUR COLLEAGUES. >>
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
ONE OTHER QUESTION I WANTED TO PURSUE ABOUT THE INTERROGATION OF ABE BEAU
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
ZUBAYDAH. THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY CONFLICT BETWEEN ONE SIDE THAT WAY ACHIEVING SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION. THAT WHEN THE JOSE PADILLA INFORMATION AS I
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
RECALL, HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE IN MOSCOW TO TRUMP IT. AND THE OTHER AGENCY THAT WAS PRODUCING THE SHUTDOWN OF THE DETAINEE DETAINEE. AND IT HAS BEEN...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
AND THE FBI. YOU HAD C.I.A. PROFESSIONALS, WHO WERE WITH YOU AND WANTED TO CONTINUE. AND THE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION, WAS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR...
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
ISSUE. THEY WERE 100% SUPPORTIVE. ACTUALLY THE CHIEF PSYCHOLOGIST OF THE C.I.A., FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST OBJECTED TO THESE TECHNIQUES AND HE EVEN LEFT...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
DID. THEIR TO
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
BE INTERROGATOR WAS
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
100%, I THINK IN SINK WITH OUR REVIEW. WITH THE FBI VIEW. BECAUSE HE'S A PROFESSIONAL INTERROGATOR. I THINK THIS TECHNIQUE, USING THE ENHANCED INTERROGATION...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
PRIVATE
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Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
CONTRACTORS? >> SIR, I DON'T RECALL ANY SPECIFIC MENTION OF PRIVATE CONTRACTORS. >> I DON'T RECALL IT, EITHER. AND IT WOULD SEEM THAT THAT MIGHT RAISE
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
LEGAL ISSUES. IT'S INTERESTING THAT THAT WOULD BE A FACT IN THE LENGTHY, LENGTHY, OLC OPINION, BUT NEVER APPEARS TO HAVE -- >> WELL, I AGREE, SENATOR,
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Luban, David J. - Professor
AND I SHOULD ADD THAT I WAS ALSO VERY TROUBLED BY THE
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
CORRESPOND CHRONOLOGY THAT MR. SOUFAN JUST MENTIONED. BECAUSE WHEN MR. BRADBERRY WAS WRITING THE OPINION AND WROTE THAT THE CAPTURE OF JOSE PADILLA...
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Luban, David J. - Professor
INFORMATION. THAT PADILLA HAD BEEN CAPTURED IN MAY. AND THE TECHNIQUES WEREN'T APPROVED UNTIL AUGUST. SO THE LEGAL OPINION THAT HE WROTE STIPULATES...
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
FOR SECRETARY OF STATE RICE AND WORKING AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE 9/11 COMMISSION. AND I WOULD LIKE
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Luban, David J. - Professor
TO ASK YOU IF YOU COULD
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
AMPLIFY A LITTLE
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Durbin, Richard "Dick" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Illinois
BIT ON WHAT HAS BEEN CHARACTERIZED AS DISCLOSURES TO LEADERS IN CONGRESS, ABOUT INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES? I SERVED ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE OF...
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| 00:54:35 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
WHAT? WELL I THINK YOU KNOW BETTER. YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE LIMITS TO SHARING
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Durbin, Richard "Dick" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Illinois
INFORMATION, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT MIGHT ENDANGER SOMEONE'S LIFE. SO WHEN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WERE BRIEFED, OF THIS, WAS IT BEFORE THE FACT? WERE THEY...
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
DON'T KNOW WHETHER FOLKS WERE BRIEFED BEFORE THE FACT. FORMALLY WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN IS A MEMORANDUM OF NOTIFICATION IS PREPARED, THAT LETS...
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Durbin, Richard "Dick" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Illinois
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
WIRETAP SITUATION. AND HIS FRUSTRATION, MAYBE DESPERATION, HAND-WROTE A LETTER TO FILE ABOUT PROTESTING THIS. WHICH DIDN'T SURFACE UNTIL MUCH LATER....
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Durbin, Richard "Dick" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Illinois
THAT HE COULD CREATE TANGIBLE EVIDENCE OF HIS DISPLEASURE OR DISAPPROVAL OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I RAISE THIS, BECAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO SENATOR ROCKEFELLER....
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
THAT WELL, WE BRIEFED THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, NAME, NAME, NAME, AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. SO IN OTHER WORDS THEY'RE, THE BRIEFINGS...
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Durbin, Richard "Dick" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Illinois
ZELLICOE HIS OPINION ON THE NOTION OF CLOSING DOWN THE GUANTANAMO FACILITY. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT'S A GOOD DECISION? >> YES, SIR. IN FACT DEPUTY SECRETARY...
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
BY EMAIL, THERE WERE NO CHARGES AGAINST HIM. AND THIS WAS 15 MONTHS AGO, THAT HE COULD BE RELEASED. HE IS STILL AT GUANTANAMO. AND IT'S AN INDICATION...
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Durbin, Richard "Dick" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Illinois
OF A SERIOUS MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. THERE ARE MANY NOW ARGUING TO I GUESS MAINTAIN GUANTANAMO. I CANNOT IMAGINE, AFTER PRESIDENT BUSH AND PRESIDENT...
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
ONE REASON IT WAS CLOSED WAS IT HAD BECOME A SYMBOL, AS MUCH AS A SUBSTANCE OF A PARTICULAR KIND OF FACILITY. THEN WE BASICALLY CREATED SUPER-MAX...
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Durbin, Richard "Dick" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Illinois
TERRORISTS, LIKE RAMSI YOUSEFF WHO IS RESIDING IN A SUPER-MAX FACILITY IN THE UNITED STATES NOW. I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY ON BEHALF OF ONE OF THE FEDERAL...
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
HABEUS PETITIONS, TO BE ASKED TO EXAMINE CLASSIFIED FILES AND PROVIDE EXPERT ADVICE ON HOLDING THESE FOLKS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRIKES ME NOW...
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Durbin, Richard "Dick" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Illinois
RELEASED HAVE BEEN ENCOUNTERED AGAIN
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Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
ON THE BATTLEFIELD. NUMBERS RANGE, DOZENS, OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN RELEASED HAVE BEEN ENCOUNTERED
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| 01:01:57 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
AGAIN. SO AS WITH -- >> WOULD THAT BE A MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE? >> NOT
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| 01:02:04 |
Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
NECESSARILY. >> WHAT IF IT WERE YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER THAT WERE KILLED BY ONE OF THESE GUYS, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? >> I WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY...
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
IT. >> IS
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
THERE A DIFFERENCE
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
BETWEEN KSM AND A DOMESTIC CRIMINAL? >> THERE SURE IS, SIR. >> AND THE ONLY REASON I
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| 01:02:30 |
Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
MENTION IT, I GENERALLY AGREE WITH YOU. THE ONLY REASON I MENTION THAT IS WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S TWO SIDES TO THIS STORY. THERE'S VERY MUCH...
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
SENATOR DURBIN'S LIFT,
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Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
I DO NOT TAKE
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| 01:02:50 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
BY EXAMINATION THAT HE'S VOLUNTEERING ILLINOIS AS THE HOUSING SITE. AND A I'M NOT GOING TO ASK MY FRIEND FROM RHODE ISLAND, WOULD HE TAKE THESE PEOPLE....
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Turner, Robert F. - Co-Founder & Assoc. Director
HIM. BUT INTERNATIONAL LAW DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT MILITARY COMBATANTS BE CHARGED TO BE DETAINED. YOU MENTIONED THE 400,000 MOSTLY GERMAN P.O.W.s WE HAD...
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
QAEDA, AN ENEMY COMBATANT, MILITARY THREAT. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT UNDER MILITARY LAW TO LET PEOPLE GO, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, MR. ANDICOT. >> PART...
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Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
THEM. AND THAT'S THE EXACT OPPOSITE MESSAGE WE SHOULD BE SENDING. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO STOP THESE PEOPLE AT THE AIRPORT, YOU'RE TOO LATE. WE'RE IN STATE...
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
YOU AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT THAT ONCE WE CAPTURE AN ENEMY COMBATANT, IT BECOMES ABOUT US, NOT THEM? >> I THINK YOU KNOW, IF WE DETAIN THAT INDIVIDUAL...
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
US. >> EXACTLY. AND THE PROPAGANDA THAT WE'VE TORTURED PEOPLE, IS A LIE. >> IF I MAY JUST FOR A
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| 01:06:37 |
Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
MOMENT HERE. WATERBOARDING AT THE TIME OF
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Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
2002, WAS NOT CLEAR WHAT LAW IS VIOLATED. THE GENEVA CONVENTION DID NOT APPLY
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| 01:06:50 |
Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
UNTIL 2006. >> THAT WOULD DEPEND WHAT CASE YOU READ. >> HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAW
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| 01:06:57 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE-GATHERING IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND WHAT YOU WOULD DO TO A MILITARY MEMBER, AN M.P., WHO ABUSED A DETAINEE WOULD BE A VIOLENCE...
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| 01:07:12 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
UCMJ, WERE YOU, MR. SOUFAN? >>
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| 01:07:15 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
NO. >> WAS YOUR INTERROGATION UNDER ARTICLE III COMPLIANT? >> UP TO 9/11. WE GET INSTRUCTIONS THAT WE DON'T READ TO PEOPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MIRANDA...
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| 01:07:35 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
COMPLIANT. SIMPLY BECAUSE COMMON
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| 01:07:37 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
ARTICLE III WAS WRITTEN TO MAKE SURE THAT MILITARY
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| 01:07:40 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
FORCES DO NOT ABUSE CIVILIANS. IT WAS NEVER WRITTEN TO RESTRICT THE ABILITY OF A NATION WHO DEPEND ITSELF. AND WE HAVE MADE A HUGE MISTAKE
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| 01:07:50 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
HERE. WE MADE TWO BIG MISTAKES. WE, WE ADOPTED INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES FROM THE INQUISITION, THAT HAVE SURVIVED TIME, BECAUSE IN SOME CASES, THEY...
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| 01:08:31 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN TORTURED IN GUANTANAMO. I THINK IT
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| 01:08:35 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
IS VERY CLEAR THAT
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| 01:08:37 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
MUHAMMED AL QAHTANI WAS. IT WAS MADE CLEAR IN THE SCHMIDT REPORT. FOUR OF THE TACTICS USED ON AL QAHTANI LATER SURFACED TO WORLDWIDE CONSTERNATION....
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| 01:09:11 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
REACTION TO YOUR REPORT AND SENATOR GRAHAM SERVES WITH GREAT DISTINCTION ON
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| 01:09:15 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
THE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE. WHICH HAS DONE A REPORT ON ITS OWN. I WOULD ASK WITHOUT OBJECTION THAT
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| 01:09:22 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THOSE PAGES OF THE REPORT, 119-128. AND SWLEKTIVELY I CAN REPORT FROM THAT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DISAGREEMENT WITH THE OLC ANALYSIS AND SERIOUS...
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| 01:11:36 |
Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
NATURE TO QUARREL WITH EACH OTHER AND TO EXCHANGE VIEW S S. IS THERE ANY SUGGESTION THAT YOU WOULD DRAW THAT THEY WERE LESS THAN PERFECTLY CONFIDENT IN...
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| 01:11:54 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THAT'S ORDINARILY VIEWED AS THE TEST OF CONFIDENCE IN ONE'S JUDGMENTS. >> WELL THE ARGUMENTS I WAS MAKING WERE PRETTY PROFOUND. BECAUSE IF I WAS RIGHT,...
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| 01:12:19 |
Zelikow, Philip D. - Counselor
THE NFC LEGAL ADVISOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL IS TO SAY, GEE, LET'S TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS. CASE LAW YOU CITE HAS SOME MERIT, WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER...
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| 01:13:09 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
LUBAN, HAS TO DO WITH THE LEE DECISION. A TEXAS DECISION, AND NOTE THAT PROFESSOR ANDICOT DIDN'T CITE IT IN HIS DECISION, DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE'S...
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| 01:17:10 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
THAT IT DIDN'T MENTION THESE. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EXIST YET. THE WORD "TORTURE" WAS NOT DEFINED ECCENTRICALLY,
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| 01:17:20 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
OR THE WAY TO CHANGE ITS MEANING IN THE TORTURE STATUTES, IT'S ROUGHLY
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| 01:17:25 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
SEVERE OR MENTAL OR PHYSICAL PAIN OR SUFFERING. I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF LOOKING AT DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE COURT...
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| 01:19:02 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
TERRORIST ORGANIZATION, THAT INFORMATION ABOUT AN IMPENDING ATTACK AND WE KNOW HE'S AFRAID OF SPIDERS. WOULD YOU SAY IF WE PUT A SPIDER IN THE JAIL CELL...
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| 01:19:11 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
WOULD TORTURE THAT PERSON. >> I WOULD
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| 01:19:15 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
NOT. THERE'S ONE CIRCUMSTANCE THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES. THAT IS IF HE
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| 01:19:18 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
KNEW OR BELIEVED -- IF IT WAS KNOWN THAT HE BELIEVED
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| 01:19:20 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
THAT SPIDERS ARE DEADLY BECAUSE PART OF THE TORTURE STATUTE SAYS THAT YOU CAN INFLICT MENTAL PAIN AND SUFFERING THAT'S TORTURE BY THREATENING DEATH...
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| 01:19:35 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
OKAY. MR. ADCOCK HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW OF TORTURE. DO YOU THINK HE'S UNETHICAL IF HE ARRIVES AT A DIFFERENT VIEW OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE? >> I THINK THAT...
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| 01:20:02 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
HAVE YOU EVER MET MR. BABI. >> I NEVER MET HIM. >> HAVE YOU MET ANY OF THESE PEOPLE? >> I MET JOHN YU ONCE. >> YOU'RE BASING
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| 01:20:13 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
YOUR OPINION BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CITE A CASE THAT YOU THINK THAT THEY'RE A BUNCH OF CROOKS. IS THAT WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO? YOUR OPINION THAT NO REASONABLE...
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| 01:20:26 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
UNETHICAL, IS THAT WHAT
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| 01:20:27 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
YOU'RE TELLING THIS
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| 01:20:28 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
COMMITTEE? >> THIS CASE IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OUT OF
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| 01:20:31 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
MANY. I THINK THAT NO REASONABLE
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| 01:20:33 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
LAWYER COULD DISCUSS THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF WOULD NOT CITE YOUNGSTOWN. >> HOW COULD MR. ADCOCK COME TO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONCLUSION ABOUT THE...
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| 01:20:49 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
ADCOCK, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MENTION THAT THE IRELAND CASE THAT HE LEANED HIS OPINION ON IS NOT THE ONLY EUROPEAN COURT CASE ON THE MEANING OF --...
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| 01:20:59 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME ABOUT THE IRELAND CASE -- >> CASES THAT HAVE CALLED, FOR EXAMPLE, HOSING SOMEBODY DOWN WITH WATER -- >> THE FACT THAT...
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| 01:21:09 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
ME ABOUT THE IRELAND CASE, CAN I SAY SUM THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING FROM ME? >> SIR, I AM NOT WRITING AN OPINION THAT'S BINDING ON -- >> TWHIE...
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| 01:21:19 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
IT WORK BOTH WAYS? YOU'RE TELLING THE NATION WHAT'S WRONG AND WHAT'S
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| 01:21:22 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
RIGHT. HE'S TOLD ME ABOUT A CASE THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THAT
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| 01:21:26 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
SUGGESTS THE TECHNIQUES IN QUESTION HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT BY AN INTERNATIONAL BODY AND THE ONES WE USE ARE LESS SEVERE THAN THE ONES FOUND NOT TO BE TORTURE...
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| 01:21:35 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
DIDN'T TELL ME ABOUT IT. DID YOU KNOW
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| 01:21:39 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
ABOUT IT? >> I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT'S RIGHT OR WRONG. >> DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THE IRELAND CASE? >> OF COURSE I DID. >> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T...
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| 01:22:00 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
NEWS FOR
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| 01:22:03 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
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| 01:22:04 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
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| 01:22:06 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
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| 01:22:08 |
Luban, David J. - Professor
MR. SOUFAN. YOU HAD A MAN WHO WAS SHOT IN THE FACE AND JUSTICE STEVENS SAID THAT PRACTICE WAS
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| 01:22:16 |
Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
TORTURE. THANK GOODNESS HE WAS IN THE MINORITY OF THAT CASE. >> WOULDN'T IT DEPEND ON -- YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING IT'S TORTURE TO INTERVIEW SOMEONE IN THE...
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| 01:22:46 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
WAS -- >> YOU THINK IT STANDS FOR THE PROPOSITION THAT STEPHENS WOULD IMPOSE ANY INTERROGATION OF ANY CRIMINAL DEFENDANT
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| 01:22:52 |
Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
IN A HOSPITAL? >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID IN HIS
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| 01:22:55 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
OPINION. >> CAN I RESPOND, PLEASE, TO SOME OF THOSE ASSERTIONS. FIRST, THE TIME LINE THAT WAS CRITICIZED BEFORE, THE MEMO -- >>
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| 01:23:03 |
Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
EXCUSE ME, WE'LL LET YOU EXPLAIN, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS
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| 01:23:08 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ANYTHING YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN. NOW, ABOUT THE INTERROGATION
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| 01:23:14 |
Addicott, Jeffrey F. - Director
OF THIS SUSPECT, DO YOU KNOW A
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| 01:23:18 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
GENTLEMAN NAMED JOHN Q-I-R-I-A-K-O-U. >> ME? MYSELF? NO, I DON'T KNOW
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| 01:23:26 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
HIM. >> OKAY. HE GAVE AN INTERVIEW. HE'S A RETIRED CIA OFFICER AND HE SAID, ABU 16 SEBADA, HE SAID THEY WATERBOARDED THE GUY AND HE BROKE WITHIN 35
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| 01:23:44 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
SECONDS. >> IS THIS QUESTION FOR ME,
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| 01:23:47 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
SIR? >> YES. >> WE, LAST WEEK HE RETRACTED THAT AND SAID HE WAS MISINFORMED AND ACTUALLY HE WAS NOT. >> OKAY. SO HE JUST -- >> HE RETRACTED THAT,...
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| 01:24:07 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
THAT ANY GOOD INFORMATION WAS OBTAINED
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| 01:24:09 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
THROUGH HARSH INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES. CAN YOU SAY THERE WAS NO GOOD INFORMATION? >> WELL, FROM WHAT I KNOW ON
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| 01:24:16 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
ZABAIDA, I WOULD LIKE YOU
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| 01:24:19 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
TO EVALUATE THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT BEFORE -- >> WELL, THE VICE PRESIDENT SUGGESTING STLFS GOOD INFORMATION OBTAINED, EVEN I WOULD LIKE THE...
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| 01:24:27 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
TO GET THAT INFORMATION. LET'S HAVE BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY HERE. I MEAN, ONE OF THE REASONS THESE TECHNIQUES HAVE SURVIVED FOR ABOUT 500 YEARS IS APPARENTLY...
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| 01:24:35 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
WORK. >> BECAUSE, SIR, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO INTERROGATE AND IT'S EASIER TO HIT
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| 01:24:42 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
SOMEBODY THAN OUTSMART THEM. >> RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND YOU BELIEVE YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT AND YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT AND THESE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T. I UNDERSTAND...
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| 01:24:57 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
TECHNIQUES AND WHAT WAS GAINED IS NOT ACCURATE. YOUR TESTIMONY IS NOT A COMPLETE
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| 01:25:03 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
REPOSITORY OF WHAT HAPPENED DURING THESE INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES. THERE ARE OTHER INTERROGATIONS GOING ON, AND THERE'S AN ALLEGATION MADE THAT THESE...
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| 01:25:40 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THIS? WE CLEANED UP THIS MESS. THE MORE WE GET INTO THIS, THE MORE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT CHILLING FOR THE NEXT GROUP OF
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| 01:25:45 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKED TO DEFEND THIS
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| 01:25:48 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
NATION AND THAT LEADS ME TO MY LAST QUESTION. DO YOU BELIEVE IT WOULD BE WRONG FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA TO AUTHORIZE A TECHNIQUE OUTSIDE THE ARMY FIELD MANUAL...
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| 01:26:29 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
OF PANETTA? >> THIS IS IMPORTANT, THOUGH. IF A PERSON HAS CRITICAL THREAT
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| 01:26:33 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
INFORMATION, URGENT INFORMATION AND YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SECURE THAT INFORMATION, HE ASKED PANETTA WHAT WOULD
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| 01:26:40 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
YOU DO? IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION WHERE YOU MENTIONED WHERE
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| 01:26:43 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
YOU HAD SOMEONE WHO COULD BE A TICKING TIME BOMB AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO FIND OUT WHAT INFORMATION
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| 01:26:49 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS,
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| 01:26:50 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE, EVERYTHING POSSIBLE WITHIN THE LAW TO GET THAT INFORMATION. IF WE HAD A TICKING TIME BOMB SITUATION,...
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| 01:27:41 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
PI DIRECTOR PANETTA IS WITHIN
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| 01:27:43 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
THE LAW. >> THE MANUAL -- IT'S AN OUTLINE FOR INTERROGATION. CAN I JUST -- >> I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO END THE HEARING. I HAVE A PLANE THAT I
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| 01:27:54 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
CANNOT MISS. AND I JUST WANT TO WRAP UP BY ADDING THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS INTO THE RECORD. FROM MIKE RITZ, FORMER U.S. MILITARY INTERROGATOR, FROM...
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| 01:28:05 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
SHANE, PROFESSOR AT OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY, COLONEL STEVE KLEINMAN, U.S. AIR FORCE RESERVE, A
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| 01:28:11 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
PROFESSIONAL INTERROGATOR, FROM MATTHEW ALEXANDER, PROFESSIONAL INTERROGATOR IN THE U.S. AIR FORCE RESERVE AND AUTHOR OF HOW TO BREAK A TERRORIST. THE...
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| 01:33:50 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
US TO LIVE BY THE CONVENTION. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LIVE BY THE CONVENTION, GET OUT OF IT. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW. THERE ARE PEOPLE...
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| 01:34:01 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
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| 01:34:02 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
SOUFAN IF WE CALLED AS WITNESSES WOULD DESCRIBE WHAT THEY DID AND THE INFORMATION THEY RECEIVED GAVE US KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE ENEMY WE WOULDN'T HAVE OTHER...
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| 01:34:31 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
GET SCREENED BUT THAT'S GOOD. NOW, THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS HOW YOU COME DOWN ON THIS SITUATION DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE UNETHICAL AND IT...
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| 01:34:47 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
YOU ENGAGE IN HARSH INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES LIKE WATERBOARDING, EVENTUALLY IT COMES BACK TO BITE YOU AND IT HAS. IT'S JUST NOT, I THINK, NECESSARY TO...
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| 01:40:22 |
Soufan, Ali H. - Supervisory Special Agent
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| 01:40:24 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
ALL. >> THE POLICY IS A CRIME, SENATOR. >>
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