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00:00:1211 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, good morning, everyone. We welcome you all

here. We're delighted to welcome Senator Clinton, secretary of State-

designate. I think...

00:11:3512 min.
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Mr. Chairman, I congratulate you on taking the

gavel. We wish you every success. And we appreciate the very

gracious you have made about...

00:24:251 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I thank you, Senator Lugar. And let me just

say that, for the record, first of all, the attachment will be made

part of the record...

00:26:114 min.
Dodd, Christopher "Chris" J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Connecticut

Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

And I apologize to my colleagues, but as we're in the midst of all of

this, it's sort of a New...

00:30:181 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you, Senator Dodd, for those warm and generous

comments, and we appreciate it. And we very much look forward,

obviously, to working...

00:31:233 min.
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Chelsea, for sure. (Laughter.)

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And it is a true honor to be here. I

want to thank you and Ranking Member Lugar,...

00:35:1316 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator Schumer, and I know we

need to excuse you post-hug -- (laughter) -- to go about other duties,

and I know that...

00:35:297 sec.
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Mr. Chairman, it is, as Chris Dodd

mentioned, a New York day, and I have to go introduce Shaun Donovan at

the --

(Cross talk.)

00:35:36
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

We understand that. Thank you so much.

00:35:364 sec.
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you, colleagues. I appreciate it very much.

00:35:4012 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, Madame Secretary-designate, we are, again,

really delighted to welcome you here and we look forward to your

testimony and have a chance...

00:35:5233 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and as he's

leaving I want to thank Senator Schumer for that generous

introduction, and even more for...

01:09:423 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, thank you very much, Senator, for a very

comprehensive and thoughtful statement. And I can tell you from

certainly this senator's...

01:13:151 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And obviously, the

incoming administration views with great concern the role that Iran is

playing in the world,...

01:15:0310 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Do you believe that tougher U.N. sanctions are

available from which to choose? And secondly, are they achievable?

01:15:131 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

You know, it's kind of like the experimenter's

bias, in a way. We won't know what we're capable of achieving until

we're actually there...

01:16:4059 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I happen to agree with you that it is in fact

legitimately impossible to be able to determine exactly what options

are available until...

01:17:3948 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, the president-elect has said repeatedly it

is unacceptable. It is going to be United States policy to pursue

diplomacy, with all of...

01:18:2715 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

The Bush administration sent Undersecretary Burns to

the last round of those talks essentially as an observer. Do you plan

to send a U.S....

01:18:421 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Mr. Chairman, we are looking at a range of

possibilities. One very important aspect of the decisions we make is

that we engage in consultation...

01:19:589 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Do you plan personally to engage in personal

diplomacy with Iranian officials at a high level in the near term?

01:20:0753 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, again, Mr. Chairman, I want to wait to

determine the exact contours of how we proceed until we're actually in

office and have a chance...

01:21:0049 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I know you've been very careful about that,

and I think it's been appropriate and I think it a wise course. And I

look forward to...

01:21:4913 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Again, Mr. Chairman, these are matters that are

part of our policy review, and we will turn to them with great

diligence and attention as...

01:22:024 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I hope the question establishes some sense of

01:22:06
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

(Laughs.)

01:22:062 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

-- priority.

01:22:08
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

I think I got your drift, Mr. Chairman.

01:22:083 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Senator Lugar.

01:22:115 sec.
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Mr. Chairman, could you recognize Senator Corker --

01:22:16
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Yes, absolutely.

01:22:16
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

-- and then Senator Feingold?

01:22:16
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

You want to do that?

01:22:165 sec.
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Yes.

01:22:21
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much. I'd be delighted to do that.

01:22:21
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

So he can expedite his work.

01:22:214 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you so much.

Senator Corker.

01:22:25
Corker, Bob - U.S. Senator, [R] Tennessee

Thank you, Senator Lugar. I appreciate

that.

And Chairman Kerry, I'm glad you're going to be leading us here.

I think you're the right...

01:22:25
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

(Laughs.)

01:22:253 min.
Corker, Bob - U.S. Senator, [R] Tennessee

-- and has a real job. And certainly we welcome

your daughter.

Along the comments of -- and I think you have tremendous

opportunities....

01:26:133 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Corker, this is to me one of the

most important questions, because we can talk about all of the good

work we'd like to do...

01:29:2732 sec.
Corker, Bob - U.S. Senator, [R] Tennessee

We have a maze of aid efforts that are underway.

Every senator that travels and sees some need, authorizes another aid

program. I wonder...

01:29:593 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, in fact, Senator, that's going to be one of

the responsibilities that will be given to this second deputy under my

direction -- to...

01:33:12
Corker, Bob - U.S. Senator, [R] Tennessee

Thanks.

01:33:123 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator Corker.

Senator Feingold.

01:33:1522 sec.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and, of

course, my warm congratulations to you on your new position.

I look forward to working closely with you...

01:33:37
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

(Off mike.) Without objection -- (inaudible) --.

01:33:371 min.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

I am very pleased that Senator Hillary Rodham

Clinton has been nominated to be secretary of State. She's an

excellent choice for our most...

01:35:152 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator, thank you very much.

And this is a primary priority, as you know, of the incoming

administration. The president-elect, Secretary...

01:38:1354 sec.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

Thank you, Senator. Let me turn to another topic

that we covered. You've been an outspoken advocate of U.S. action to

stop genocide in Darfur...

01:39:071 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Senator, again, this is an area of great concern

to me, as it is to the president-elect. We are putting together the

options that we think...

01:40:5454 sec.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

Thank you very much. Obviously you and the

president-elect recognize the importance of our efforts in

Afghanistan, and given the serious...

01:41:482 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

There will certainly be such a policy review. It

is the highest priority of the president-elect. He has put forth what

he calls the more-for-more...

01:43:56
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

01:43:564 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you, Senator Feingold. Senator Lugar.

01:44:002 min.
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Senator Clinton, the Albanians informed the United States in the

summer of 2004 that they saw some suspicious...

01:46:283 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Lugar, I don't think there is a more

important issue that confronts the incoming administration. And your

leadership and inspiration...

01:50:252 min.
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Well, this is very good news. And in a visit that I

had with Foreign Minister Lavrov of Russia and Mr. Kiriyenko of

Rosatom in mid-December,...

01:52:551 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Lugar, I think once again you're

demonstrating your far-sighted, realistic understanding of security

threats, because I agree...

01:54:04
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Great.

01:54:041 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

We've had individual envoys on specific pipeline

issues, but we haven't brought it all together in a way that I think

reflects the elevated...

01:55:13
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Thank you very much.

01:55:135 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thanks very much, Senator Lugar.

Senator Boxer.

01:55:185 min.
Boxer, Barbara - U.S. Senator, [D] California

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator Clinton, I'm so excited to see you here today! As you

know, I was very much in favor of your saying yes...

02:00:384 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator, you have been such a leader. And I

have been honored to be your colleague and your partner in a number of

these efforts that...

02:04:4550 sec.
Boxer, Barbara - U.S. Senator, [D] California

Well, I couldn't have asked for a better answer.

I wanted to note, Mr. Chairman, that even the most conservative

historians have said that...

02:05:35
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you.

02:05:351 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Senator Boxer, thank you. Thanks for that important

line of inquiry. And let me just say that Senator Boxer has talked to

me personally...

02:06:485 sec.
Voinovich, George V - U.S. Senator, [R] Ohio

VOINOVICH (R-OH): One of the reasons why I'm not

running is I want to devote my full time to these historic problems

that we have.

02:06:53
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

There you go.

02:06:533 min.
Voinovich, George V - U.S. Senator, [R] Ohio

And how we handle them during the next two years

will have a great impact on the future of our country and the world.

First of all, I want...

02:10:381 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, first, Senator, I thank you for your

emphasis on workforce issues, management issues, better utilization of

resource issues. That's...

02:12:331 min.
Voinovich, George V - U.S. Senator, [R] Ohio

Yeah. One of the things that I'm concerned

about is the turf. And you've got Susan Rice going to the United

Nations. She's going to become...

02:14:03
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Right.

02:14:0319 sec.
Voinovich, George V - U.S. Senator, [R] Ohio

But it seems to me that we ought to really raise

the issue of energy independence in terms of our national security,

and also being able...

02:14:222 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, the president-elect and I could not agree

more with your point of view. It's one of the reasons why the

president-elect has talked...

02:16:2242 sec.
Voinovich, George V - U.S. Senator, [R] Ohio

Well, I hope that because the cost of gasoline

has gone down that we're all just going to sit back like we did in

1973 and just said, "Everything...

02:17:0436 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, I think the chairman, who's had a

longstanding interest in this, knows that as we move toward Copenhagen

and attempt to craft a climate...

02:17:40
Voinovich, George V - U.S. Senator, [R] Ohio

Thank you.

02:17:405 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator.

Senator Nelson.

02:17:455 min.
Nelson, Bill - U.S. Senator, [D] Florida

Senator Clinton, I have just a couple

of questions. But I want to say at the outset that this senator

thinks that your husband's Clinton...

02:22:502 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Nelson, you've covered a number of

important issues, and let me start with your question about Latin

America. I have a lot...

02:25:10
Nelson, Bill - U.S. Senator, [D] Florida

His name is Bob Levinson.

02:25:102 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

That's right. And, you know, Senator, on

contractors, this is going to be a big issue for this committee. We

have seen the abuses by contractors,...

02:27:106 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you, Senator Nelson. Senator Murkowski.

02:27:162 min.
Murkowski, Lisa - U.S. Senator, [R] Alaska

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And

welcome to you, Senator Clinton. Thank you for your leadership, for

your willingness to step forward and assume...

02:29:392 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

And, Senator, it's very timely that one has been

raised because, as I have said to you before -- and even when you and

your husband hosted...

02:31:57
Murkowski, Lisa - U.S. Senator, [R] Alaska

So were the people of Point Barrow.

02:31:5758 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

(Laughs.) So were the people of Point Barrow. I

mean, look on the map, it's the northern-most place in the United

States, and it's not a...

02:32:552 min.
Murkowski, Lisa - U.S. Senator, [R] Alaska

So, will ratification of the Law of the Sea

Treaty be a priority for you?

Yes, it will be. And it will be because it is

long overdue,...

02:35:212 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Senator, I've had several lengthy conversations

with Secretary Rice, who has brought me up to date on the status of

the Six-Party Talks....

02:37:258 sec.
Murkowski, Lisa - U.S. Senator, [R] Alaska

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

And thank you for your, again, willingness, and your great

capacity in this effort. Appreciate it.

02:37:3324 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you, Senator Murkowski. Let me just say to

you, and to others interested, that we are already -- I've talked to

Senator Lugar about...

02:37:57
Cardin, Benjamin "Ben" L. - U.S. Senator, [D] Maryland

Well, first, Senator Kerry, let me tell

you how proud all of us are to serve on this committee, particularly

with you as our chairman. We're...

02:37:57
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

(Laughs.)

02:37:573 min.
Cardin, Benjamin "Ben" L. - U.S. Senator, [D] Maryland

-- and your entire family. I know it was a

difficult decision. I know how much you loved being a senator from

New York. And we just thank...

02:40:572 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Cardin, it's been an honor to serve

on the Helsinki Commission and I know you have not only a long-

standing interest but...

02:42:591 min.
Cardin, Benjamin "Ben" L. - U.S. Senator, [D] Maryland

And we will -- that's one of the highest priorities

for us to evaluate how we can modernize the Helsinki Commission and

the OSCE process...

02:44:091 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator, as you know there is a -- an office

in the State Department -- Population, Migration, and Refugees. It's

our intention to...

02:46:051 min.
Cardin, Benjamin "Ben" L. - U.S. Senator, [D] Maryland

Well, thank you very much for that answer. Many of

us have been asking you questions on energy. Energy is a huge issue

internationally and...

02:47:2243 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Very creative suggestion, Senator, and we should

look at the models of countries that have handled their mineral wealth

to the advantage...

02:48:055 sec.
Cardin, Benjamin "Ben" L. - U.S. Senator, [D] Maryland

Thank you very much. I look forward to working

with you. Thank you.

02:48:10
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you.

02:48:101 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thanks a lot, Senator Cardin. Let me just say that

given the time here we're going to have two more rounds -- two more

questioners before...

02:49:1811 sec.
DeMint, James "Jim" - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Senator Lugar.

And Mr. Chairman, I would like to submit for the record a longer list

of questions that I will not...

02:49:297 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Now, fine, but we are going to try to proceed

forward so we'll try to get those answered in the next 24 hours for

you, Senator --

02:49:36
DeMint, James "Jim" - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina

Thank you very much.

02:49:366 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

-- because we do have a business meeting scheduled

for -- for Thursday.

02:49:422 min.
DeMint, James "Jim" - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina

Thank you. Senator Clinton, congratulations on

your nomination. I appreciate your call. It's amazing what a little

communication can do...

02:52:344 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator, I appreciate very much your posing

this question because I think it's a real opportunity for us if we can

figure out how...

02:56:591 min.
DeMint, James "Jim" - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina

Thank you. I can see I'm not going to get to too

many of my questions but just a couple of concerns and one last

question.

Just as...

02:58:452 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, I think that the absolute bottom line for

any agreement or undertaking by the United States government is that

it has to be, in our...

03:01:053 sec.
DeMint, James "Jim" - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

03:01:087 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Let me just shock your troops by telling you that,

unfortunately, we have to -- in order to move forward -- close the

record by 12 noon...

03:01:15
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Okay.

03:01:157 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

So we'll get the Starbucks out tonight.

Look at those smiles over there!

03:01:223 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Don't look too closely, because they haven't had a

lot of sleep.

03:01:25
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

I'm confident.

03:01:253 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

They're not looking too alert today.

03:01:2842 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

What we're going to do is Senator Menendez will

close out the morning questioning and then we'll come back. Senator

Isakson, you'll lead...

03:02:103 min.
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I want to start off by saying, Senator Clinton, I appreciate the

significant voluntary steps that go above and...

03:05:263 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, you have my commitment that it will be

pursued vigorously. It is an area that I care deeply about. It is

where, you know, much of...

03:09:122 min.
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

We look forward to working with you on that.

Let me just touch on specific areas, and then I hope not to give

you any questions at the end...

03:11:4715 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Senator, we will be looking very closely at those

and other challenging issues with the eye of moving forward and being

effective in responding...

03:12:023 sec.
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

I look forward to supporting your nomination.

03:12:051 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you, Senator Menendez.

Thank you, Senator Clinton, for a good morning of testimony.

You've displayed one of the assets necessary for...

03:13:4347 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

The hearing will come back into order. And I

apologize to everybody, particularly to our colleagues who were here

on time. Senator Isakson,...

03:14:30
Isakson, John "Johnny" - U.S. Senator, [R] Georgia

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

And Chelsea -- Chelsea, you should know that your mother and I

had a conversation in my office. She's...

03:14:30
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

(Laughs.)

03:14:301 min.
Isakson, John "Johnny" - U.S. Senator, [R] Georgia

Senator Clinton, it's a pleasure. I want to

commend to you -- this is not really a question, just a statement, but

I have the highest regard...

03:16:071 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Senator Isakson, I couldn't say it any better. I

certainly do agree. In order to protect and defend the United States

of America, to advance...

03:17:3430 sec.
Isakson, John "Johnny" - U.S. Senator, [R] Georgia

In the presidential debate, I watched both sides,

ours and yours. And there was a significant debate over foreign

policy and over the issue...

03:18:041 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, I certainly do, as does the president-elect.

I think that his commitment to vigorous and effective diplomacy is in

the context of...

03:19:371 min.
Isakson, John "Johnny" - U.S. Senator, [R] Georgia

You quoted George Marshall at the end of your

remarks in saying that sometimes our enemies are not the nations or

doctrines, but they are,...

03:20:571 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator, I appreciated, when I spoke with

you, your commitment to Africa and your making it a priority of the

service you've performed...

03:22:131 min.
Isakson, John "Johnny" - U.S. Senator, [R] Georgia

My last question. If you asked the average

Georgian what's the one thing they have the most consternation about,

it's how much money we...

03:23:251 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, I think that has been an important

contribution to the foreign aid debate by this administration, most

manifest with the Millennium...

03:24:345 sec.
Isakson, John "Johnny" - U.S. Senator, [R] Georgia

Well, I appreciate your willingness to serve and I

wish you the best of luck in your tenure. Thank you.

03:24:39
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you.

03:24:394 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator Isakson.

Senator Casey.

03:24:432 min.
Casey, Bob - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania

Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. And I want to

commend you on the new leadership position that you take, and we're

grateful for your service.

Senator...

03:26:512 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Casey, it's a tremendous honor for

me to be working with Secretary Gates. He has a very long history of

service in our country...

03:29:491 min.
Casey, Bob - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania

Well, we want to support you in that objective - in

meeting that objective. And I do want to commend you - we had a

discussion the other...

03:31:132 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Casey, I know you expressed to me

your deep concern about this and your desire to get very involved in

helping us craft an...

03:33:131 min.
Casey, Bob - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania

And I know it. One more question we --- in the time

I have. We spoke a little bit the other day about the challenge that

Pakistan presents...

03:34:152 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well as I stated in my opening remarks, Iraq,

Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Middle East, remain on the forefront of the

challenges that the...

03:36:193 sec.
Casey, Bob - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania

Thank you very much.

03:36:222 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator Casey.

Senator Vitter.

03:36:243 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and congratulations on

your new chairmanship.

03:36:27
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much.

03:36:272 min.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

And thank you, Senator Clinton, for all of your

public service including being open to this very challenging position.

Like a lot of folks,...

03:39:032 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well Senator, I appreciate your concern and your

question. And I recognize that these are unique circumstances, to say

the least. I am very...

03:41:046 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Mr. Chairman, I have no objection listening to

this, but I'd like it not to come out of my time because I'd like to

pursue these questions.

03:41:109 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I guess -- I mean it's fair to say that if you

ask a question, you deserve an answer, and the answer traditionally

comes out of the...

03:41:194 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Well, I'm still waiting for the answer -- I'd love

an answer, but if there's an answer to my --

03:41:234 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I think you need to give the Senator an

opportunity to give you answer, and if you need additional time --

03:41:2733 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Well, let me repeat the question which is would you

support and help produce a new MOU that requires the same sort of

disclosure for contributions...

03:42:0029 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, I think that the MOU and the other

undertakings that have been worked out between the president-elect and

the transition and the foundation...

03:42:2947 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Okay. Well if you could consider that suggestion,

I think that's a big gap in the MOU that moving forward, the Clinton

Global Initiative...

03:43:168 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

All contributors will be disclosed, and all

contributors to the Clinton Global Initiative are disclosed in public

as is now anyway.

03:43:242 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Okay. But that changes under the MOU.

03:43:26
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

No --

03:43:2622 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

No, I think -- if I could just interrupt, Senator, I

think you, if you look at the MOU and you look at the subsequent

questions that were...

03:43:48
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

To the foundation?

03:43:4812 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

That's the foundation. But in addition, it's my

understanding that the -- under the MOU the CGI additionally, if there

are contributions,...

03:44:00
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

That's right.

03:44:0028 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Okay. I'm very happy to hear that. That's not

what's in the MOU, so if I could simply request before our vote a -- a

document or an amendment...

03:44:2824 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well Senator, I believe that all the answers that

are relevant to these inquiries are in the record. There is no

intention to amend the...

03:44:52
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

All right.

03:44:5217 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

-- you know, the money of any donors to put on the

Clinton Global Initiative are public and there is no ongoing, you know

-- foundation...

03:45:0938 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Well that would be great if you can clarify it.

Again, I don't want to beat a dead horse, but under the MOU as it

stands, there is no required...

03:45:471 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well again, you know, this is an agreement that

has been worked out between all of the parties and the fact is that

the concerns that were...

03:47:207 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Well again, I'd love for that to be embodied in any

agreement that's at issue, so I'll look forward to that.

03:47:2755 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well Senator, can I just -- this won't come out of

your time but let me make sure the record is clear here. As I

understand it, abd I think...

03:48:2212 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

But for instance, there could be foreign national

contributions which, within the four corners of this agreement, are

not disclosed, not...

03:48:344 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well I think the Senator has appropriately said that

they'll answer that in the addendum.

03:48:382 min.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

Well I look forward to that, as well as the old

contributor issue because it just talks about new contributors.

Again, let me back up and...

03:51:002 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator Vitter.

Senator Webb?

03:51:0218 sec.
Webb, James "Jim" H. - U.S. Senator, [D] Virginia

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator Clinton, I've had the pleasure of having sat through this

entire hearing today. I'm not sure you have found...

03:51:20
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

(Laughs.)

03:51:205 sec.
Webb, James "Jim" H. - U.S. Senator, [D] Virginia

It's nice to have Senator Shaheen on my left to, you

know, finally have somebody I'm a little --

03:51:25
Shaheen, Jeanne - U.S. Senator, [D] New Hampshire

(Inaudible.)

03:51:256 min.
Webb, James "Jim" H. - U.S. Senator, [D] Virginia

-- that's right. (Laughs.)

And I'm very impressed by the range that you have shown here on a

wide variety of issues that have been thrown...

03:57:442 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Webb, as always, you are not only

eloquent but extremely useful in your quick summary of all these

issues because every one...

04:00:231 min.
Webb, James "Jim" H. - U.S. Senator, [D] Virginia

Well, thank you. Our military does great things, and

I think you and I both feel strongly about that. We just want to make

sure that it...

04:01:36
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you, Senator.

04:01:364 sec.
Webb, James "Jim" H. - U.S. Senator, [D] Virginia

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

04:01:4017 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you, Senator Webb.

Senator Lugar.

We're going to start the second round now for Senator Lugar.

It'll be the first round...

04:01:576 min.
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Senator Clinton, in my statement this morning, I said the core of

the problem that I perceive with regard...

04:08:374 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Lugar, I know that you come at this

issue in good faith, as I do, and I agree that these are matters that

have to be handled...

04:13:071 min.
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Well, my time is concluded. Let me just say that

the situation is unprecedented, which is the first lady and her

distinguished husband and...

04:14:2015 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

I do, and I respect you so much, Senator, and I

can certainly guarantee to you that I will remain very sensitive to

this and I will work...

04:14:35
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

04:14:3525 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator Lugar. Let me take a

moment to welcome Senator Shaheen. This is her first official formal

appearance with the...

04:15:002 min.
Shaheen, Jeanne - U.S. Senator, [D] New Hampshire

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I am very

honored to be able to serve on this prestigious committee with you and

Senator Lugar, and as...

04:17:232 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator Shaheen, welcome to the Senate and

welcome to this committee. I think your joining this body will be an

incredible addition,...

04:20:0060 sec.
Shaheen, Jeanne - U.S. Senator, [D] New Hampshire

Thank you. The second question is related

somewhat and it deals with trade. We have a company in New Hampshire

-- and forgive me for being...

04:21:001 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, I don't know anything about that specific

case -- we will look into that and educate ourselves about it -- but

more generally, I think...

04:22:15
Shaheen, Jeanne - U.S. Senator, [D] New Hampshire

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

04:22:155 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator. Senator Barrasso.

04:22:2016 sec.
Barrasso, John A. - U.S. Senator, [R] Wyoming

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman,

and congratulations, Senator Clinton. We've worked together on the

Superfund Committee you chaired, and...

04:22:36
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you very much, Senator.

04:22:3630 sec.
Barrasso, John A. - U.S. Senator, [R] Wyoming

Senator Shaheen apologized for being parochial.

I'll be a little parochial, because the people of Wyoming, as I travel

around, want to make...

04:23:062 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator, I appreciate very much your

interest in these issues, and I have enjoyed my relationship with you

since you arrived in the...

04:25:4111 sec.
Barrasso, John A. - U.S. Senator, [R] Wyoming

Well, consider yourself invited. And the second

question they'll ask is -- when you come is about management reform at

the United Nations...

04:25:521 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, this is another priority of the president-

elect and I know you'll be speaking with the permanent representative

to the U.N. designee...

04:27:0238 sec.
Barrasso, John A. - U.S. Senator, [R] Wyoming

Moving on to Iran -- and I know you've addressed

it, reading your article in Foreign Affairs -- you said if Iran is in

fact willing to end...

04:27:401 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator, there is a policy review that is

being undertaken by the incoming administration. We are still being

briefed by the outgoing...

04:29:3720 sec.
Barrasso, John A. - U.S. Senator, [R] Wyoming

Thank you. Could I shift a little bit to Cuba?

As you know, right now we have strict laws and regulations limiting

economic transactions...

04:29:571 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Senator, the president-elect is committed to

lifting the family travel restrictions and the remittance restriction.

He believes, and I think...

04:31:3735 sec.
Barrasso, John A. - U.S. Senator, [R] Wyoming

I appreciate some of the comments you made

earlier about the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty and working with

that and I know you're working...

04:32:121 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, I think that's a very good point. You know,

the history of arms control with first the Soviet Union and then

Russia I think it's fair...

04:33:214 sec.
Barrasso, John A. - U.S. Senator, [R] Wyoming

Thank you, Senator Clinton. Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

My time is expired.

04:33:2530 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator.

I'll take a round now and then -- I see Senator Feingold is here.

I don't know if there are any other folks...

04:33:5554 sec.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

Thanks so much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for your

patience, Senator Clinton. Just a couple other topics. You and I

discussed Somalia and...

04:34:4913 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Senator, as you and I discussed, Somalia is

strategically located. I think it was you who asked me if I knew how

far Yemen was from Somalia...

04:35:02
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

I didn't know. I'd ask my staff, but --

04:35:02
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

(Laughs.)

04:35:023 sec.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

-- was quite surprised to learn it was 20 miles.

04:35:052 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Twenty miles. And so the idea that Somalia is

just failed state, somewhere over there where people are fighting with

one another over heaven...

04:37:27
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

Exactly.

04:37:271 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

So, I think that this is going to require an

enormous amount of thought.

Now, complicating it, as you well know, is the piracy issue.

There's...

04:38:403 sec.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

I can tell you're eager and very ready to take

this on --

04:38:43
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Yes, indeed.

04:38:4338 sec.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

-- but, I look forward to working with you.

Let me switch to something completely different. There's

widespread recognition of the need...

04:39:2135 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Senator, this issue was brought to my

attention during the transition. I've asked to have more briefing on

it because I think that...

04:39:562 sec.
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin

Thank you, Senator.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

04:39:587 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much. Thanks, Senator.

We're sort of getting to that point now where I think we can

address some loose ends, and maybe even,...

04:47:003 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Mr. Chairman, I think that your cautions are

extremely well taken.

There is, as you know, a review going on right now under the

direction...

04:50:361 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I really appreciate that. I don't expect you

to be able to lay out that strategy now.

I would say that I think it's important, perhaps,...

04:52:3311 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Yes. The president-elect does support the

legislation that you were part of and Vice President-elect Biden, and

I think Senator Lugar was...

04:52:44
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Correct.

04:52:4454 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

And we want to try to begin to some extent to

separate our military aid from our nonmilitary aid. The tripling of

the nonmilitary aid is...

04:53:3812 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

And this is going to take a very significant hands-

on effort, as I think you know. We've been obviously reading about or

hearing about...

04:53:5042 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, no final decisions have been made. That is

a tool that I think you'll see more use of. I believe that special

envoys, particularly...

04:54:3214 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

You know -- I just noticed Senator Vitter is back.

I don't want to -- I've gone over my time a little bit because we

were sort of in a wrap...

04:54:4619 sec.
Vitter, David - U.S. Senator, [R] Louisiana

(Off mike.)

SEN KERRY: Okay, fine.

I was stunned in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan to learn that

our principal diplomats in that...

04:55:0550 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Right. Right. Well, Mr. Chairman, these are

among the challenges that we intend to take on: trying to create more

of a regional perspective...

04:55:55
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Wonderful.

04:55:5529 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

-- so that they can be encouraging that. I've

been reading up on George Marshall, who made it clear he didn't ever

want a memo longer than...

04:56:242 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I'm delighted to hear you say that. And I

think that's exactly -- doing it through the bureaus is precisely an

easy way to do it,...

04:59:081 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, you know, we are at a point where the

current administration is working very hard behind the scenes and in

front of the scenes. And...

05:00:18
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

General Dayton has done a great job.

05:00:181 min.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Yes, General Dayton was on the ground.

There is so much more we have to do. And obviously we do support

Israel's right to defend itself,...

05:01:324 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I know that's going to be a high priority. I

know you've already been meeting on it, and I don't think we need to

belabor it here...

05:06:0950 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Well, Mr. Chairman, you will have it, because I

share your deep concern. You are eloquent in describing it, and

you've been a leader in...

05:06:596 sec.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Senator Menendez, did you have any additional

questions? You did.

05:07:0544 sec.
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I was listening to some of the previous questions, and I just

want to make sure, since I made a statement earlier...

05:07:49
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

That is correct, Senator.

05:07:4914 sec.
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

And those contributors have been listed --

(inaudible) -- from press releases to event materials to a whole host

of other ways in which...

05:08:03
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

That is correct.

05:08:0337 sec.
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

Now, it's my understanding, too, when I looked at

this, which is why I didn't dwell upon it in my first round of

questioning, that the determination...

05:08:40
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

That is also correct.

05:08:403 min.
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

Well, Mr. Chairman, what I would hate to see is

some who would put in doubt what I think is an incredibly important

opportunity here, and...

05:12:072 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you very much, Senator Menendez.

Let me just say, I wasn't going to -- wasn't planning to comment

on it, but in light of your commentm...

05:14:5613 sec.
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

Mr. Chairman, if I may, just very briefly. My

concerns, since you couched it in the context of Senator Lugar's

questions, is not so much...

05:15:09
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

That's what I was referring to.

05:15:09
Menendez, Robert "Bob" - U.S. Senator, [D] New Jersey

Oh, okay.

05:15:091 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

Oh, no, no, no. I'm referring to that. But I'm

simply, as Chair, I want to share in the perceptions, as I have from

the beginning, that...

05:16:303 sec.
Clinton, Hillary Rodham - U.S. Senator, [D] New York

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you

Senator Lugar.

05:16:33
Lugar, Richard "Dick" G. - U.S. Senator, [R] Indiana

Thank you.

05:16:331 min.
Kerry, John F. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts

We stand adjourned.

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