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00:03:32
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
AS OUR FIRST GREAT CIVIL LIBERTARIAN, IN MY MIND, THOMAS JEFFERSON WROTE, "THE GREATEST CALAMITY WHICH WOULD BE FAR LESS WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO A GOVERNMENT...
00:12:33
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
AGAIN THEY DO NOT INTEND TO BRING ANY ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT TO THE HOUSE FLOOR. WHY IS THAT? IT IS BECAUSE...
00:15:51
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPLAUD YOUR TENACITY AND COURAGE IN CALLING FOR THIS HEARING. FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS, I'VE THE VIGOROUSLY ARGUED THAT THIS COMMITTEE...
00:16:05
Wexler, Robert - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
WHITE HOUSE DOCUMENT SERIOUS
00:16:08
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
ABUSES THAT IF PROVEN WOULD
00:16:12
Wexler, Robert - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
CERTAINLY CONSTITUTE A HIGH CRIMES. THE WHITE HOUSE IS CHARGED WITH DELIBERATELY LYING TO CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND MANIPULATING INTELLIGENCE...
00:20:05
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
OF, LET US RESTRAIN OURSELVES, PLEASE. I AM PLEASED TO RECOGNIZE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CRIME SUBCOMMITTEE, THE DISTINGUISHED AND LEAD FROM VIRGINIA....
00:20:44
Scott, Robert "Bobby" - U.S. Representative, [D] Virginia
FIND OUT WHAT ARE NOT CRIMES WERE COMMITTED, WHICH RESULTED IN US GETTING INTO IRAQ, AT WHO IS AUTHORIZED BUT VIRTUALLY EVERYONE IN THE WORLD OUTSIDE...
00:21:44
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
CONSTITUTION, THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE SCHMIDT. WE ARE HERE AT THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS BEFORE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. IT IS AN ASTONISHING THING TO...
00:21:56
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
IN 1998, DECEMBER 1998, WATCHING WHAT WENT ON HERE. WAS WHAT IT IS PRECIOUS TO ME -- IT WAS ONE OF THE INSPIRATION TO ME, THE REASON I'M SITTING HERE,...
00:25:15
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA AND OTHERS. THE 16 WORDS, BY THE WAY, SUPPORTED BY THE
00:25:20
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
CIA REPORT OF AMBASSADOR WILSON, THE 16 WORDS IN THIS STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS, JANUARY 2003, WERE SUPPORTED BY THE CIA REPORT BY AMBASSADOR JOE WILSON....
00:27:00
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS TO VOTE TO AUTHORIZE THAT A COMMITTEE BEGAN AN INQUIRY. THAT HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE. I WILL NOT RECOGNIZE THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMEN...
00:27:42
Lofgren, Zoe - U.S. Representative, [D] California
EXPLORE THE ISSUES OF EXECUTIVE POWER AND ITS CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS. I HAVE A UNIQUE P.O.VIEW OF THE HISTORY OF IMPEACHMENT. I SERVED ON THE STAFF...
00:30:35
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
PAST IN A NON-PARTISAN BASIS. BUT I MUST EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT IN TO A'S HEARING. -- TODAY'S HEARING. WHAT I WAS GROWING UP, THE WORST AT THAT YOU...
00:30:50
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
WAS "HERBERT HOOVER." NOW IS RICHARD NIXON. I GUESS IT WAS THE SECOND GENTLEMEN OF THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE TO BRING THAT UP. IT IS UNUSUAL, AS ANYONE WHO...
00:35:29
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
WRONGERRJERROLD NADLER. >> I'VE HEARD SOME MY COLLEAGUES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SAYING THAT THESE HEARINGS ARE ALWAYS A TIME OR WORSE. I HAD THE MISFORTUNE...
00:35:55
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
ALLEGATIONS, ALLEGATIONS INCLUDING VIOLATION OF THE ANTI- QUARTER LOSS OF THE COUNTRY, VIOLATIONS OF THE FISA LOSS AGAINST WAR THIS -- FISA LAWS AGAINST...
00:37:24
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
CHAIRMAN'S ASSURANCE THAT IT IS NOT HIS INTENTION TO CONVENE A HEARING TODAY ON THE SUBJECT OF IMPEACHMENT. BUT I KNOW THAT MANY HERE TODAY, BOTH SIDES...
00:37:37
Pence, Mike - U.S. Representative, [R] Indiana
LOOKING IN, BARLETTARE ANXIOUS TO DEBATE WHETHER OR NOT THE 49TH PRESIDENT SHOULD BE IN BEACH. -- 43RD PRESIDENT OF THE UNITES STATES SHOULD BE IMPEACHED....
00:42:27
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
ME THANK THIS COMMITTEE FOR ACCEPTING THE INSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CONGRESS AND HOW SHOULD YOU SHERRY -- AND HOUSE JUDICIARY AND RETAINS....
00:42:46
Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
AND A FINAL HEARING. AMERICANS MAY BE EXPERIENCING HIGH PRICES AT THE GAS PUMP, THEY MAY BE CONCERNED BY TORNADOES AND HURRICANES, AND CERTAINLY THERE...
00:45:35
Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
GENERICALLY AS TO WHETHER IN TIMES BEFORE THAT ACTION SHOULD BE TREASONOUS, AS WHETHER OR NOT THAT INDIVIDUAL, MR. ROVE HAS REFUSED TO APPEAR BEFORE...
00:47:53
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THIS IS NOT ABOUT IMPEACHMENT. THEREFORE, I HOPE THAT WE CAN EXPECT THAT NUMBER OF THE WITNESSES WILL MENTION THE WORD IMPEACHMENT. PERHAPS
00:48:03
Franks, Trent - U.S. Representative, [R] Arizona
IN MORE APPROPRIATE SUBJECT WOULD BE THE CONGRESSIONAL DERELICTION OF ITS CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I SAY THIS...
00:51:13
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
OF THIS COMMITTEE IN APPRECIATE YOU HAVING THESE HEARINGS ON THE EXECUTIVE POWERS. I HAVE ONLY SERVED HERE IN THIS CONGRESS FOR NEAR 19 MONTHS. I HAVE...
00:51:29
Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
COMMISSIONER AND A STATE SENATOR. THERE WERE FOUR GOVERNORS THAT I WORKED WITH. I HAVE GREAT PRIDE IN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT AND THE DUTY...
00:53:49
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
COMMITTEE, AN ATTORNEY, AND FORMER MAGISTRATE JUDGE, I UNDERSTAND THE HIGH STANDARDS THAT WE MUST HOLD OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO. EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL...
00:54:03
Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
PEOPLE. ONCE THAT BOND IS BROKEN, ONCE THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICIALS FEEL THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER ACCOUNTABLE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, ACTION MUST BE TAKEN....
00:59:29
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
OPPOSITION FOR OR AGAINST THE FUSE THAT ARE BEING EXPRESSED BY THE MEMBERS AND THE WITNESSES THAT WILL SOON FOLLOW. SHE SERVES ON THE CRIME COMMITTEE....
01:00:17
Baldwin, Tammy - U.S. Representative, [D] Wisconsin
OF THE UNITED STATES. THIS COMMITMENT AT OBLIGATION IS SO FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR DEMOCRACY THAT OUR FOUNDERS PRESCRIBE THAT OATH IN OUR CONSTITUTION. THEY...
01:04:57
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY VERY MUCH. I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR IT FOR A LONG TIME. LET ME BE VERY DIRECT AND TO THE POINT. I WILL SUBMIT MY FULL STATEMENT...
01:05:15
Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
THE BASIS OF A DECISION AS TO HOW WE SHOULD GO FORWARD. THAT ALONE IS AN IMPORTANT REASON FOR THESE PROCEEDINGS AND THESE HEARINGS. THE DUE PROCESS OF...
01:07:34
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
GENTLEMAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA, MR. JONES, THE GENTLEMENAN FROM NORTH CAROLINA, THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK, AND THE GENTLEMENAN FROM ILLINOIS -- OHIO,...
01:08:55
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
I RESPECT THEIR INTEGRITY AND THEIR HONOR. I BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE PROCEED AMONG OURSELVES IN THIS WAY SO THAT WE CAN BE OF SERVICE TO OUR...
01:10:18
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
INTERESTS OF THE UNITED
01:10:20
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
STATES. IRAQ WAS NOT CONTINUING TO POSSESS AND TO DEVELOP A SIGNIFICANT CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS CAPABILITY. IRAQ WAS NOT ACTIVELY SEEKING A...
01:13:11
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
OUR OATH AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION THAT HAS
01:13:16
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
BEEN TRAVEL TIME AND TIME AGAIN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. THE DECISION IS WHETHER TO STAND UP FOR THE CHECKS AND BALANCES DESIGNED BY OUR FOUNDING...
01:14:47
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
HE IS A LEADER IN THE PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS. HE HAS BEEN A LONGSTANDING OPPONENT OF THE WAR IN IRAQ. HE IS AN OUTSPOKEN ADVOCATE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REFORMS...
01:15:21
Hinchey, Maurice - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
THE GREATEST ELEMENTS OF RESPONSIBILITY, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO DO THE LINK -- DOING THE JOB THAT IS OF SUCH GREAT IMPORTANCE SINCE -- IMPORTANCE...
01:25:24
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. WE WELCOME YOU HERE THIS MORNING. >> CHAIRMAN CONYERS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, THINKING FOR THE INVITATION -- THANK YOU FOR THE...
01:25:53
Miller, Brad - U.S. Representative, [D] North Carolina
IN SECRET IS MORE DANGEROUS AND MORE SINISTER THAN JUST AN EXTRAVAGANTLY AMBITIOUS CLAIM TO EXECUTIVE-BRANCH POWERS. CONTROL OF INFORMATION STIFLES...
01:33:01
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
WAR POWERS RESOLUTION, WHICH HE INTRODUCED WITH A JUDICIARY COMMITTEE COLLEAGUE ONLY LAST YEAR. WE'RE PLEASED THAT YOU COULD BE WITH US TODAY. >> MR....
01:33:35
Jones, Walter B. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [R] North Carolina
ACCESSED BILLS THAT ARE SIGNED INTO LAW, THEY SHOULD HAVE EASY AND PROMPT ACCESS TO THE CONTENT OF PRESIDENTIAL SIGNING STATEMENTS THAT COULD AFFECT...
01:37:17
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
NEVER
01:37:19
Jones, Walter B. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [R] North Carolina
REDUCE THE SIGNING STATEMENTS IF ELECTED. I HOPE THAT SENATOR OBAMA AND CANDIDATE BOB BARR WILL SAY THE SAME THING THAT THEY WILL NOT ISSUE SIGNING...
01:38:24
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
ELIZABETH HOLTZMAN, BOB BARR, ROCKY HUDSON, PROFESSOR STEVEN PRESSER, FORMER ASSOCIATE ATTORNEY GENERAL BRUCE FINE, AUTHOR AND FORMER PROSECUTOR VINCENT...
01:41:37
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
CRITICAL AND HISTORICAL ROLE THIS COMMITTEE HAS PLAYED IN PRESERVING AND PROTECTING DEMOCRACY IN THE CONSTITUTION IN THIS COUNTRY. IT IS A GREAT HONOR...
01:45:37
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
WATERBOARDING, WHICH HAS BEEN ADMITTED TO, WHICH MOST NATIONS BELIEVE CONSTITUTES TORTURE. EVEN IF IT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE TORTURE, IT CERTAINLY CONSTITUTES...
01:49:42
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
1995-2003. HE WAS A SENIOR MEMBER ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, AND WAS VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE GOVERNMENT REFORM COMMITTEE. SINCE
01:49:54
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
LEAVING THE HOUSE, CONGRESSMAN BARR HAS WORKED EXTENSIVELY ON PRIVACY ISSUES WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION AND THE HARVARD KENNEDY...
01:50:48
Barr, Bob - Presidential Candidate, [L] United States
HEARD EARLIER TODAY VARIOUS POLL NUMBERS REGARDING THE PRESIDENCY, THE CONGRESS, AND SO FORTH. THERE WAS A RECENT STUDY GAUGING THE PUBLIC'S AWARENESS...
01:57:48
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
AS MAYOR FROM 2000 UNTIL EARLIER THIS YEAR. AFTER HE LEFT JUST RECENTLY, HE FOUNDED AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE HIGH ROAD FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, DEDICATED...
01:58:43
Anderson, Ross "Rocky" C. - Founder and President
BY THE ADMINISTRATION. ASCERTAINING AND DISCLOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT THESE MATTERS IS VITAL IN ORDER TO RESTORE THE RULE OF LAW AND THE CRUCIAL ROLE CONGRESS...
02:04:15
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>
02:04:21
Anderson, Ross "Rocky" C. - Founder and President
STEPHEN PRESSER IS NORRISA PROFESSOR OF LEGAL HISTORY. HE HAS
02:04:33
Unidentified Speaker, -
BEEN BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AT LEAST THREE TIMES THAT I CAN REMEMBER. I
02:04:40
Anderson, Ross "Rocky" C. - Founder and President
DO NOT KNOW WHERE ELSE IN THE CURRENCY HAS APPEARED. HE IS A FREQUENT COMMENTATOR ON ISSUES OF CONSTITUTIONAL
02:04:50
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
LAW. WE ARE PROUD TO WELCOME HIM BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AGAIN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPEAR HERE IN LATE 1998 TO GIVE MY VIEWS ON WHAT CONSTITUTED...
02:05:16
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
TO NOT SIMPLY BE A PLEASURE OF THE HOUSE AND CONVICTION AT THE PLEASURE OF THE SENATE. THERE MUST BE SOME STANDARDS. FOR A PRESIDENT TO BE IMPEACHED,...
02:10:46
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
HE WRITES A GOOD DEAL FOR A VARIETY OF PUBLICATIONS. >> THANK YOU. I'M PREPARING MY TESTIMONY, I HAVE INDULGED THE ASSUMPTION THAT I WAS LIVING UNDER...
02:11:14
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
MUCH TO MY SURPRISE, ON THE EVE OF THIS HEARING, I DISCOVERED THAT I ANSWERED AN OFFICIAL QUARTERS, THERE WAS AN INSISTENCE ON PROHIBITING REFERENCES...
02:17:09
Unidentified Speaker, -
PRACTICED BY MORE, BUT TOLERATED
02:17:11
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
BY MORE. THANK YOU. >> WE ARE PLEASED TO WELCOME VINCENT, WHO IS THE AUTHOR OF SEVERAL TIMELY BOOKS. I THINK THIS IS HIS LATEST
02:17:36
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
ONE, "THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE BUSH FOR MURDER." HE, OF COURSE, IS A WELL-KNOWN FORMER LOS ANGELES COUNTY DEPUTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY, REMEMBERED FOR HIS...
02:18:26
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
DO THE BEST THAT I CAN. IN MY BOOK, THE PROSECUTIONI PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT PROVES BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS...
02:23:01
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
GOING TO CLEAR THE ROOM. I WOULD ASK THE GUESTS AT THE HEARING TO NOT GIVE ANY INDICATION OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY OF THE STATEMENTS MADE BY...
02:23:21
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
WAR, THERE ARE WELL OVER 100,000 PRECIOUS HUMAN BEINGS IN THEIR COLD GRAVES RIGHT NOW AS I AM TALKING TO YOU. SPEAKING METAPHORICALLY, I WANT YOU TO HEAR,...
02:23:40
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
WAR, FOR YOU NOT TO REFER THIS CASE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. IF WE WANT THIS NATION TO BECOME THE GREAT NATION IT ONCE WAS, WIDELY EXPECTED AROUND...
02:24:33
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
WITNESS IS A PROFESSOR AT GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW. HE ALSO TAUGHT AT CORNELL UNIVERSITY FOR OVER 25 YEARS. HE IS A RENOWNED SCHOLAR OF INTERNATIONAL...
02:25:28
Rabkin, Jeremy A. - Professor
I WANT TO TRY TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE TO THIS. I THINK IN NUMBER OF PREVIOUS PEOPLE TESTIFYING HAVE SUGGESTED THAT NOT JUST WAS THE WAR IN...
02:30:56
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
COUNSEL TO THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE TO STUDY GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS WITH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES. AND HE CHAIRED THE COMMISSION THAT REVISED...
02:31:35
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
IS THAT IN OUR EFFORTS TO PROTECT OURSELVES, WE HAVE MADE THE MISTAKE OF ADOPTING TACTICS OF THE ENEMY. THE MOST IMPORTANT MISTAKE HAS BEEN WITH RESPECT...
02:38:09
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
PRESIDENT OF THE ROAD TO RECOVERY. AND WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. BY LEADING THE -- BEN FRANKLIN WAS ASKED -- WHAT HAVE WE, A REPUBLICAN OR A MONARCHY....
02:38:34
Adams, Elliot - National President
REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT. HONORABLE REPRESENTATIVES, THAT SINGLE SENTENCE SUMS OF THE ESSENCE OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR. IF WE CAN KEEP IT. AND...
02:43:09
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
FELLOW PANELISTS COMMENT ON THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A REMARK ABOUT, OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD TO YOUR OWN TESTIMONY. WE WILL BEGIN WITH...
02:43:49
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
NOW, AND WHAT CAN BE DONE NOW. PROSECUTION IS UNREALISTIC. THE ADMINISTRATION WILL NEVER PROSECUTE ITSELF. TRUCE COMMISSION -- THE ADMINISTRATION WILL...
02:45:35
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
OF THE NATIONAL
02:45:37
Barr, Bob - Presidential Candidate, [L] United States
DEBT. MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT WE'RE FACING NOW IS COUNTING DOWN WHAT REMAINS OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THIS GREAT LAND. I WOULD LIKE TO BE INTRODUCED INTO...
02:46:31
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
IN FACT THE DECISION
02:46:34
Barr, Bob - Presidential Candidate, [L] United States
BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS CONSTITUTIONAL INQUIRY OR CONSTITUTIONAL SILENCE, THEN BY GOD I CHOOSE CONSTITUTIONAL INQUIRY. THANK...
02:47:10
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
INSTANCES WHERE THE PERSON
02:47:13
Unidentified Speaker, -
BEING IMPEACHED EXERCISED
02:47:14
Anderson, Ross "Rocky" C. - Founder and President
HIS OR HER OWN PERSONAL INTEREST ABOVE THAT OF THE NATION. THAT IS AN ATROCIOUS SCHOLARSHIP. IT DOES NOT REFLECT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN HISTORY. IT DOES...
02:51:03
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THAT THE OTHER
02:51:04
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
BRANCHES ARE NOT EXCEEDING THEIRS. THAT IS THE UNDERTAKING THAT YOU HAVE MADE. AT THE SAME TIME THOUGH, I THINK THE OTHER PRESSER -- PROFESSOR GOT SOME...
02:52:43
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS OF RICHARD NIXON, THE EXECUTIVE HAS NO POWER.
02:52:48
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
WE, THE PEOPLE, IS
02:52:50
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THE BEGINNING OF THE CONSTITUTION. IT IS NOT WHETHER THERE ARE LIMITS
02:52:53
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
ON EXECUTIVE POWERS. IT IS THAT WE HAVE GIVEN THE EXECUTIVE POWER THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT IT IS DOING. THAT IS CRITICAL. IT WAS SAID BY PREVIOUS SPEAKER...
02:55:56
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION TAKING THIS NATION TO WAR ON A TERRIBLE LIKE, A WAR THAT HAS CAUSED INCALCULABLE THE
02:56:03
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
DEATH AND SUFFERING. I WOULD ASK MR. PRESSER, WHAT PREVIOUSLY RECOGNIZED FORM OF LOGIC WOULD ALLOW SUCH A CONCLUSION? I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU WORK ...
02:58:45
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
ALRIGHT, SH ANDEEHAN, -- SHEEHAN, YOU ARE OUT. GOODBYE. PROFESSOR -- >> I WAS NOT REMOVED BY HAVING OTHER PEOPLE REPEAT EMOTIONAL STATEMENTS WITH MORE...
02:59:20
Unidentified Speaker, -
PROFESSOR USED FULLY CALLED OUR ATTENTION TO HISTORY, BUT I WOULD DRAW SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT LESSONS FROM THE HISTORY. EVERYTHING UP TO THE TIME OF THE...
02:59:31
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
DONE BY PRESIDENTS IN TIME OF CRISIS WAS KNOWN. IN THE CASE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, HE ASKED THE CONGRESS -- HE SAID, YOU MAY DISAPPROVE OF WHAT I HAVE...
03:02:46
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
I THINK ALL OF THE
03:02:53
Adams, Elliot - National President
WITNESSES. YOU HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY COOPERATIVE. WE WILL ACCEPT INTO THE RECORD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, DOCUMENTS, OR
03:03:05
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
IN LIGHTNING PAPERWORK THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE GO INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH. THE CHAIR NOW TURNS TO
03:03:14
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THE RANKING MEMBER WHO HAS PATIENTLY BEEN WAITING FOR HIS TURN. WE RECOGNIZE HIM FOR ANY QUESTIONS TO ANY OF THE PANEL. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN....
03:03:46
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
YOUR MESSAGE ABOUT THIS NOT BEING IN A SPEECH AND HEARING. BY MY COUNT, THEY'VE VIET -- THEY HAVE USED THE WORD IMPEACHMENT AT LEAST 30 TIMES. NEVERTHELESS,...
03:04:50
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
HOUSE BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE BOUGHT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND TAMPERING WITH WITNESSES AND DOING OTHER ACTS THAT SEEMED TO SUGGEST NO REGARD TO THE...
03:05:38
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
SAME LEGITIMATE ACTION WAS TAKEN BY ANY OTHER PRESIDENT, SO I ASSUME YOU DO NOT THE THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE OF MISCONDUCT IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. >> THAT
03:05:49
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
IS MY VIEW. I THINK THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE WAS PROBABLY FROM THE OTHER BREATH PROFESSOR. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING THAT WOULD...
03:06:09
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
RAPKIN, YOU HAVE REGRETTED THE TONE OF THIS SUBJECT. IF YOU LOOK BENEATH THE ANGER AND BITTERNESS, AND DO YOU SEE ANY IMPEACHABLE OFFENSIVE? AND, WHAT...
03:06:26
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
LET ME START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION. IS THERE SOMETHING IMPEACHABLE? IF PEOPLE BELIEVED THAT THE PRESIDENT KNOWINGLY, DELIBERATELY GOT US INTO A WAR...
03:06:47
Rabkin, Jeremy A. - Professor
BEEN ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE ALLUDING TO. IT SEEMS TO BE SUGGESTING THE ACTUAL REASONS FOR DOCTOR OR SO COMPLETELY REMOVED FROM NATIONAL SECURITY...
03:09:01
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
GUILTY OF IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES? THIS WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION TO ASK IN YOUR CLASSES AND ALLOW AT LEAST AN HOUR TO RESPOND. BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT YOU...
03:09:53
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
WHEN IT COMES TO A TENSE TO CRIMINALIZE POLITICAL DECISIONS. I THINK THAT IS THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR. I THINK WAR IS A MATTER OF HIGH...
03:10:35
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
THERE WAS A FAULTY BOILER. DID THE PRESIDENT OF THIS? I DO NOT BELIEVE
03:10:40
Rabkin, Jeremy A. - Professor
SO, BUT HE DID NOT PAUSE TO HAVE A CLOSE INVESTIGATION. IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR, PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT WAS REALLY GOADING THE JAPANESE AND POST ALL OF...
03:12:37
Unidentified Speaker, -
VERY HELPFUL QUESTION. WE SHALL REMIND
03:12:40
Rabkin, Jeremy A. - Professor
OURSELVES THAT PRESIDENTS HAVE SHELLACKED IN A SITUATION WHERE OFTEN THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF UNCERTAINTY AND TO CONSTRUE EVERYTHING AND THE WORST POSSIBLE...
03:13:22
Smith, Lamar S. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
PERSONAL BENEFIT, NOTHING TO DO IT MOTIVES OF GOOD FAITH. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE OF
03:13:27
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
IMPEACHMENT IS
03:13:28
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
THAT THE PRESIDENT COMMITTED AND ABUSE OF POWER THAT WOULD TEND TO DESTROY LIBERTY OR FLOUT THE STRUCTURE AND FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT BY REDUCING THE
03:13:41
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
SEPARATION OF POWERS WHICH IS THE BASIC PROTECTION OF OUR LIBERTY. THAT IS FROM THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE OF 1924 AND WHAT THEY SAID. SECOND, LET...
03:16:46
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
BEYOND ANY PREVIOUS INTERPRETATION
03:16:50
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE AS TO SAY TO KARL ROVE AND OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT SHOW UP AND IGNORE SUBPOENAS, AND TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY, NEVER MIND THE STATUTE OR...
03:17:32
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
AS THE COULD IN ANY OTHER REMEDY. BUT THE REMEDY IS TO GO TOWARD IMPEACHMENT. >> BEEN THERE OUT OF OFFICE. >> OF THE
03:17:41
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
INQUIRY DOES NOT CARRY THE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE PROBLEM. >> IT WORKED WITH NIXON. >> THAT WOULD LOOK -- THAT WOULD WORK WITH A LOT OF OTHER CRIMES. I HAVE...
03:17:59
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
HESITATION AT THE PRACTICALITY OF
03:18:02
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
IMPEACHMENT.
03:18:06
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
NOW THE FIRST PRESIDENT BUSH PARDONED SENIOR MEMBERS
03:18:09
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
OF THE CABINET FOR THE IRAN CONTRA SCANDAL. BEFORE ANY POSSIBILITY OF SUING THOSE INDIVIDUALS -- IT ALSO FORECLOSED ANY OPTION OF COURSE IN THEIR TESTIMONY...
03:19:08
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
CONGRESSMEN, I THINK THERE IS A STEP TOWARD PROCEDURE THAT WOULD DETER
03:19:14
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
ABUSES OF THE PARDON POWER. THAT
03:19:17
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
IS, AND I DID THIS TO BE CONSTITUTIONAL, IF THE PRESIDENT WAS TO USE THE PARDON
03:19:21
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
POWER TO
03:19:24
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
PARDON PEOPLE OF HIS ADMINISTRATION FOR ALLEGED CRIMES THAT INVOLVE THE ABUSES, IT
03:19:29
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
WOULD HAVE TO BE SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE HIS TERM ENDS, SO HE WOULD CLEARLY SEPARATE POLITICAL PENALTY. THE APPROACH WOULD BE THE STATUTE WOULD...
03:20:23
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
AL-LIBY AND LITIGABLE MATTER, I WOULD THINK. >> THE AUTHORITY -- IT WOULD BE A POLITICAL MATTER. >> IT IS THE NECESSARY AND PROPER CAUSE. IT'S AS CONGRESS...
03:20:46
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
APPLIES -- [NO
03:20:51
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
AUDIO] [INAUDIBLE] >>
03:20:54
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
I THINK THAT GOES TOO FAR. YOU'RE ELIMINATING THE PRESIDENT'S DISCRETION TO EXERCISE THE PARDON AT ALL [INAUDIBLE] UNJUSTLY HOUNDED. I
03:21:37
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
DOUBT THAT WOULD SURVIVE, BUT THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN JUST THE TIME LIMITATION. >> MAY HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION? >> OF COURSE. >> TO ONE. ZOELLICK AS THE...
03:22:03
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
SUPPORT OF THE PRESIDENT'S PARTY WHICH HAS
03:22:05
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
PROVED VIRTUALLY UNATTAINABLE. AND THE GIFT OF ONE PRESIDENT WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED TEDDY NOT RESIGN, NIXON, TO BE SMOKING GUN TAPE TO THE MEMBERS...
03:22:56
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
IN A PROPER WAY. IT IS NOT CORRECT TO SAY THAT WITHOUT THE SMOKING GUN TAPE, IMPEACHMENT WHEN THAT HAPPENED. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT, PRIOR TO THE...
03:26:32
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
DEFINITELY A PARTISAN DIVIDE. THERE WERE THINGS
03:26:34
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
THAT WORK IRRATIONAL AND ILLOGICAL BUT TOOK PLACE AS REFERENCED EARLIER. IT OCCURS TO ME THAT THIS IS THE MOST POLARIZED COMMITTEE ON THE HILL. IT IS...
03:28:25
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
WITHIN
03:28:28
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
THAT THE DEBRIEFING OF FORMER AMBASSADOR WILSON UPON HIS RETURN OF HIS TWO WEEK TRIP TO NIGER, CAN HE ELIMINATE WHETHER
03:28:40
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
THE IRAQIS WERE SEEKING URANIUM FROM THEM. HE MET WITH THE FORMER NIGERIAN PRIME MINISTER. HE WAS ALSO THE FORMER FOREIGN MINISTER FROM 1996-1997. HE...
03:30:35
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
PENTAGON SPOKESMAN SAID MONDAY. READING FURTHER, IT WAS DISCOVERED BY U.S. TROOPS AFTER THE TWO DOZEN THREE U.S. INVASION OF IRAQ AT THE NUCLEAR RESEARCH...
03:32:59
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
BOBBY SCOTT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IT IS INTERESTING TO THE NAME
03:33:04
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
OF THE HEARING IS EXECUTIVE POWER IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL LIMITATIONS. WITH POWER -- WHAT POWER DOES THE EXECUTIVE HAVE? AND VIRTUALLY EVERY REPUBLICAN...
03:33:20
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
LIMITATIONS ON POWER, THEREFORE IT
03:33:22
Scott, Robert "Bobby" - U.S. Representative, [D] Virginia
MUST BE IN BY NATURE AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE WITNESSES WHAT THINGS CAN ASSURED OF IMPEACHMENT WE MAY BE PURSUING? BECAUSE IF...
03:36:52
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS LATER A SUPREME COURT NOMINEE, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD CRIMINALLY PROSECUTE THE PRESIDENT IN LIEU OF IMPEACHMENT. WELL, HE...
03:40:03
Barr, Bob - Presidential Candidate, [L] United States
MATTERS WORSE WHICH IT DID IN PASSING RECENTLY THE AMENDMENTS TO THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT WHICH NOT ONLY VASTLY EXPANDED THE POWER OF...
03:41:23
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
BUT WAS THAT WITH REGARD TO PRESIDENT NIXON IS THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT CANNOT BE PROSECUTED. THE ANTI-TORTURE ACT, BECAUSE IT CARRIES THE DEATH PENALTY,...
03:44:00
Scott, Robert "Bobby" - U.S. Representative, [D] Virginia
PROSECUTION, BUT THE LAW IS VERY CLEAR THAT ONCE HE LEAVES -- LEAVES OFFICE, HE CAN
03:44:05
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
BE PROSECUTED FOR ANY CRIMES COMMITTED IN OFFICE. THAT WAS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FEDERALIST PAPERS, 1787, ALEXANDER HAMILTON. HE CAN BE PROSECUTED...
03:45:17
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
BY SAYING THAT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE BIG SO-CALLED ISSUE HERE IS THAT SOME OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES -- SOMEHOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE
03:45:29
Franks, Trent - U.S. Representative, [R] Arizona
UNITED STATES EITHER DELIBERATELY FALSIFIED INFORMATION AS TO WHETHER THE TERRORISTS WERE IN IRAQ, OR HE DELIBERATELY FALSIFIED THE INTENT. FORMER VICE...
03:50:24
Rabkin, Jeremy A. - Professor
COURT. PRESUMABLY HAD SOME AUTHORITY TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION. HE SAID "IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FIND OUT YOU HAVE THIS WEAPON AND FAILED TO USE...
03:51:48
Franks, Trent - U.S. Representative, [R] Arizona
THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN THE NAME OF DEFENDING THE COUNTRY ACTUALLY MADE US LESS SAFE BY TRASHING, UNDERCUTTING OUR VALUES. USING TORTURE IS NOT SOMETHING...
03:52:07
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
WE PROCEED WITH REGULAR ORDER INSTEAD OF ALLOWING WITNESSES TO DICTATE THE PROCEDURE. IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE WITNESSES GIVE A FINAL ARGUMENTS AFTER...
03:52:27
Gohmert, Louis "Louie" B. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
MAKING THIS STATEMENT? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO NOT HAVE ANY REAL OBJECTION, BUT IT DOES NOT ILLEGAL TO MY QUESTION IN ANY WAY. THE BOTTOM LINE IS -- IT...
03:52:45
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
CO. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE OBJECTION. [LAUGHTER] >>
03:52:51
Franks, Trent - U.S. Representative, [R] Arizona
IF IT IS ALL RIGHT, I WILL GO AHEAD AND YIELD BACK. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IN RESPONSE TO MR. FRANKS' COMMENTS IS WHAT...
03:53:10
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
HAVING VOTED AGAINST THE VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF THE PATRIOT
03:53:15
Franks, Trent - U.S. Representative, [R] Arizona
ACT. IF THE PRESIDENT AND ATTORNEY- GENERAL
03:53:21
Watt, Melvin - U.S. Representative, [D] North Carolina
JOHN ASHCROFT, LATER ATTORNEY-GENERAL SOMEBODY ELSE AND LATER ATTORNEY-GENERAL SOMEBODY ELSE IS PROTECTING AGAINST TERRORISM, WHO WAS PROTECTING AGAINST...
03:54:16
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
I WANT TO DO TWO THINGS. I WANT TO LOOK OF MY FORMER COLLEAGUE --
03:54:23
Watt, Melvin - U.S. Representative, [D] North Carolina
OF MY FORMER COLLEAGUE REP BARR BACK. I LONGED FOR THE DAY THAT HE WOULD BE BACK HERE. WE HAD OUR DIFFERENCES WHEN HE WAS HERE. AND SOMETIMES HE STRAYED...
04:01:40
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
THEIR INQUIRY. AND NOT A MINUTE LATER. I YIELD IT BACK. >> I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE DEFINITIVE RESPONSE AND I WILL HELP YOU PROCEED ACCORDINGLY. >>...
04:01:56
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
PENCE.
04:02:07
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
LOUISE GOHMERT -- LOUIE G OHMERT. >>
04:02:16
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'M SURPRISED BY ALFRED PEOPLE -- HOW THREE PEOPLE FEEL BEFORE CONGRESS. MAKING BRASH STATEMENTS WITHOUT ADEQUATE SUPPORT, IN...
04:02:39
Gohmert, Louis "Louie" B. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [R] Texas
MY FRIEND OF MR. JONES, WE DISAGREE STRONGLY ON SOME THINGS. BUT I LIKE HIS IDEA THAT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO AMY, OUGHT TO BE MADE PUBLIC...
04:09:21
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
ACT. BUT IT DOES INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY
04:09:25
Lofgren, Zoe - U.S. Representative, [D] California
FOR OVERSIGHT BY THE CONGRESS. IF WE UTILIZE THAT NEW AUTHORITY, THAT IS GOING TO BE A VERY SIGNIFICANT ELEMENT IN MAKING SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE, ACTIVITIES...
04:14:12
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
HAVING SOME EXPERTS AND FORMER ACKNOWLEDGED PEOPLE SO THAT IT IS NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE. >> THAT IS WHAT I RECOMMEND, ACTUALLY, THAT IT BE SOMETHING LIKE...
04:14:33
Lofgren, Zoe - U.S. Representative, [D] California
OURSELVES AND KEEPING THE CONSTITUTIONAL CHECKS AND BALANCES WORKING.
04:14:39
Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
I THINK THAT IT WOULD WORK WELL. IT IS NOT EASY TO DO. BUT IF THE 9/11 COMMISSION DID A GOOD JOB, AND THAT WOULD FREE THE CONGRESS TO WORK ON THE MANY...
04:15:27
Lofgren, Zoe - U.S. Representative, [D] California
AREA THAT POLICIES OF THE BARR ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THOSE OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. THE DOCTRINE OF THE STATE SECRETS WOULD...
04:15:42
Barr, Bob - Presidential Candidate, [L] United States
IT WOULD NOT BE USED TO THWART LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS SEEKING REDRESS BY AMERICAN CITIZENS FOR WRONGS COMMITTED BY THE GOVERNMENT. SIGNING STATEMENTS,...
04:17:26
Lofgren, Zoe - U.S. Representative, [D] California
AS AN HONEST CONSERVATIVE, IN MY FAMILY THAT IS A REDUNDANCY. >>
04:17:32
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
I ALWAYS RESPECTED HIM. >> WHAT WITH PROSECUTORS
04:17:38
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
LIKE FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN HOLTZMAN AND IT SAID BUGLIOSI, I APPRECIATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS YOU HAVE A TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM IN THE PAST. BUT IN THE...
04:17:52
Lofgren, Zoe - U.S. Representative, [D] California
BUT I KNOW THAT BOTH OF YOU BEING VERY VALUABLE MEMBERS OF THE PROSECUTION BAR
04:17:58
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
IN THAT PAST KNOW THE VALUE OF THAT OVERCHARGING CASES. THIS IS TANTAMOUNT, IN MY JUDGMENT, TO OVERCHARGING THE CASE. WE RUN THE RISK OF POLITICALIZE...
04:21:13
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
HAVE THE RULES OF THE HOUSE RESPECTED AND ENFORCED. >> WELL, I WILL INSTRUCT THE
04:21:21
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
STAFF AND THE OFFICERS TO ASK ANYONE WITH SUCH SIGNS TO EITHER REMOVE THEM OR -- FROM THE HEARING ROOM FOR THIS POINT ON. --
04:21:40
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
FROM THIS POINT ON. >> THAT THAT IS AN OUTRAGE. >> THANK YOU. >> I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN. IT IS MY RIGHT. [UNINTELLIGIBLE] >>
04:23:23
Unidentified Speaker, -
04:23:27
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT IS YOU. >> THAT IS YOU. >>
04:23:41
Unidentified Speaker, -
OUR KIDS WHO DIED IN IRAQ -- IS OUR CONSTITUTION. >>
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Unidentified Speaker, -
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Unidentified Speaker, -
WILL EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO LEAVE THAT LEAVE?
04:24:04
Unidentified Speaker, -
EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO LEAVE IS EXCUSED. LET US
04:24:19
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
LEAVE. >> DON'T DO THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE CANNOT MAINTAIN ORDER, YOU DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BE SAYS THE HEARING. IF IT CANNOT BE MAINTAINED,...
04:24:45
Unidentified Speaker, -
COULD MR. PRESSER NOW ANSWER?
04:24:55
Unidentified Speaker, -
COULD MR. PRESSER NOW ANSWER, MR. CHAIRMAN? >> IMPEACHMENT IS A REMEDY THAT IS -- IT IS ON -- IMPEACHMENT IS THE REMEDY THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE HOUSE...
04:25:14
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
IS CORRUPT AND CANNOT OR WILL NOT DO HIS JOB. IT STRIKES ME THAT A QUESTION BEFORE YOU HEAR IS
04:25:23
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
DO YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO ACTED IN GOOD FIT TO CARRY OUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF HIS OFFICE, OR DO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO, AS WAS SUGGESTED BEFORE, SIMPLY...
04:26:06
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
STATEMENTS, ABUSES OVER NOT REFERRING THINGS TO
04:26:09
Rabkin, Jeremy A. - Professor
THE FISA COURT, YOU CAN ADD PEACH THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL -- IMPEACH YOU CAN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL, A LOT OF OTHER OFFICIALS WHOSE...
04:27:21
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
MAINTAINED, AND I AM SO GLAD THAT BRUCE FEIN MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS HOLDER OF
04:27:27
Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
THIS SEATM, WHO CAPTURED THE SENTIMENTS OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF AMERICANS WHEN SHE REMINDED THEM, THE HON. BARBARA JORDAN, THAT...
04:32:14
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
MAKING ITS DELIVER TOYS TO AUTHORIZE WAR OR NOT BASED ON INFORMATION AT THE HANDS OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, A FOUNDING FATHER AND...
04:35:00
Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
INFORMATION SAYS THAT IRAN HAS A NUCLEAR WEAPON AND THEY ARE ABOUT TO LAUNCH AN ATTACK ON A JERUSALEM. THERE IS INFORMATION THAT INDICATES OTHERWISE,...
04:35:13
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
CLEARLY ANY PEOPLE OFFENSE UNDER THE STANDARD OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS -- THAT IS CLEARLY AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE UNDER THE STANDARD OF THE FOUNDING...
04:35:49
Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
GOHMERT COMMENTED ON. YOU ARE BEING FUNNY NOW, AREN'T YOU? YOU ARE BEING FUNNY. >>
04:35:58
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
YOU MAY CONTINUE. >> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I AM NOT SAYING IN THIS BOOK THAT HE LIED ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. ACTUALLY, HE DID LIE ABOUT WEAPONS...
04:36:19
Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
THE WAY, NOT THE BASIS FOR THIS BOOK, ARE RIGHT IN
04:36:23
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
FRONT OF ME. THIS DOCUMENT HERE IS THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE. OCTOBER 1, 2002, CLASSIFIED NIE REPORT, CALLED "IRAQ WAS CONTINUING PROGRAMS...
04:37:57
Jackson Lee, Sheila - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
I REALLY FEEL AND IT WAS PRESUMPTUOUS OF ME, AND I GUESS MR. FRANKS ALREADY KNOWS ENOUGH THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR. HERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT I WANT...
04:38:11
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
COMMITTEE, THAT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IS NOT THE ISSUE THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. IF THAT WERE THE...
04:38:49
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
LADY ASKED A QUESTION, AND AFTER IT IS RESPONDED TO COME THE TIME WILL HAVE AN EXPIRED. >> THIS DOCUMENT HAS BEEN DECLASSIFIED. THIS WAS IT ON A CLASSIFIED...
04:39:03
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
WAS AN
04:39:08
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
UNCLASSIFIED VERSION. CHINA, RUSSIA, PAKISTAN, THEY HAVE WEAPONS OF
04:39:17
Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
MASS DESTRUCTION. ARE WE GOING TO WAR WITH THEM? NO, THE ONLY ISSUE IS WHETHER A NATION THAT HAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IS AN IMMINENT THREAT TO...
04:40:53
King, Steven "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [R] Iowa
TO PROFESSOR PROSSER DID NOT ENTIRELY SURE THAT YOU AND I JUST REFERRED TO AS A SELF- IMPOSED
04:41:01
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
SCHOLAR. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE CORRECTED ON THAT. I
04:41:07
Pence, Mike - U.S. Representative, [R] Indiana
DO KNOW EARLIER THAT REFERENCE WAS MADE BY ANOTHER WITNESS ON THIS PANEL THAT CHARACTERIZED YOUR WORK FOR THIS COMMITTEE AS "ATROCIOUS SCHOLARSHIPS."...
04:41:52
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
IT IS CALLED "LAW AND JURISPRUDENCE IN AMERICAN HISTORY."
04:41:56
Pence, Mike - U.S. Representative, [R] Indiana
I CO-AUTHORED IT WITH OF FELLOW WAS THEN IN THE HISTORY DEPARTMENT IN NORTHWESTERN. >> I'M A HOOSIER,
04:42:06
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
BUT I THINK NORTH WESTERN IS A PRETTY GOOD SCHOOL.
04:42:09
Pence, Mike - U.S. Representative, [R] Indiana
IT SEEMS TO BE A PRETTY CREDIBLE PLACE. HAVE YOU EVER PUBLISHED ANY
04:42:14
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
WORKS AND CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AND HISTORY OTHER THAN A WIDELY UTILIZED SEMINAL CASE BUT THAT HE CO-AUTHORED ON CONSTITUTIONAL LAW AND HISTORY? >> YES,
04:42:27
Pence, Mike - U.S. Representative, [R] Indiana
SEVERAL OTHERS. >> I MIGHT TAKE THE TIME TO WELCOME YOU BACK. 10 YEARS AGO YOU TESTIFIED ON ANOTHER HEARING ON THE SUBJECT THAT IS FOUND ITS WAY INTO...
04:42:49
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
OF IMPEACHMENT. BUT IT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. WE FOUND OUR WAY THERE. AM
04:42:54
Pence, Mike - U.S. Representative, [R] Indiana
FASCINATED BY YOUR ANALYSIS, BECAUSE WE JUST HEARD FROM THE IMMEDIATE PRIOR WITNESS AND WITNESSES -- IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THE OBJECTION THAT BEEN...
04:46:43
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
KUCINICH. HE IS A MAN WHO IS AS PASSIONATE ON
04:46:48
Pence, Mike - U.S. Representative, [R] Indiana
THE LEFT AS I AM ON THE RIGHT. I DO NOT BEGRUDGE HIM USING WHATEVER TOOLS ARE AVAILABLE TO HIM AS A LEGISLATOR TO RAISE AND PURSUE THE ISSUES HE CARES...
04:48:34
Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
OF THIS HEARING AND SEE WHAT TO BE -- THE RECORD OF THIS HEARING AND SEE OUTSTANDING SCHOLARSHIP IN YOUR REPORT TO THIS
04:48:40
Pence, Mike - U.S. Representative, [R] Indiana
COMMITTEE, AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR WORK. I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME. ROB >> IT WECHSLER. -- ROBERT WEXLER. >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, FOR HOLDING...
04:49:15
Wexler, Robert - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES OR LEGAL ISSUES. I WOULD BEG, RESPECTFULLY, TO DIFFER WITH MR. PENCE, PARTICULARLY AS TO THREE ISSUES. IGNORING CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENAS,...
04:53:03
Anderson, Ross "Rocky" C. - Founder and President
CONGRESS'S POWER. IT IS NOT WAITING FOR THE GOODWILL OF ANOTHER PRESIDENT, HOPING THAT THEY WILL RESTRAIN THEMSELVES. IT IS UP TO CONGRESS. IT IS UNBELIEVABLE...
04:55:14
Wexler, Robert - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
FUNCTION OF CONGRESS IS THE INFORMING FUNCTION, THE SELF GOVERNMENT CANNOT WORK UNLESS THE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEIR RULERS ARE DOING AND WHY. THAT CANNOT...
04:55:29
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
TO APPEAR -- IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF CONTEMPT OF COURT, LIKE REFUSING TO OBEY A COURT ORDER, WHICH I THINK EVERYONE WOULD CONCEDE WOULD BE AN IMPEACHABLE...
04:56:21
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
A COUPLE OF A CLAIM -- REFUSES TO GIVE CONGRESS THE INFORMATION IT NEEDS TO DO ITS JOB AND OBSTRUCT THE WORK OF CONGRESS. THAT CAN BE AN IMPEACHABLE ...
04:57:43
Wexler, Robert - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
WE COULD SAY HIGH
04:57:48
Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
GOVERNMENT, HIGH ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS. >> WOULD THAT INCLUDE SOMEBODY WHO WAS CONSIDERED TO BE NOT A MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE, BUT A BARNACLE ATTACHED...
04:57:57
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
SUCH AS? >> SUCH AS THE MAN WHO WOULD SUCCEED TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT IF HE GOT OUT OF -- >> I THINK YOU COULD DO A TWOFER. >> BUT IF THAT PERSON...
04:58:11
Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
ASSIGNED TO THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, COULD YOU IMPEACH HIM? IS A PERSON WHO IS ASSIGNED TO
04:58:17
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH ATTACHED? IF THE VICE PRESIDENT
04:58:21
Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
IS, WOULD HE THEN NOT BE SUBJECT TO IMPEACHMENT? >> DO NOT KNOW WHAT MR. ANDERSON
04:58:26
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
SAYS ABOUT THAT, BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THE VICE-PRESIDENT COULD BE IMPEACHED.
04:58:30
Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOME PRECEDENT FOR HOLDING THAT MEMBERS, SAYING THAT THE CONGRESSIONAL BRANCH CAN BE IMPEACHED AS WELL. >> THE FIRST IMPEACHMENT...
04:58:45
Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
THE STANDARD HAS CLEARLY BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CAN BE IMPEACHED. >> THANK YOU. I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THERE WAS A METHOD TO YOUR MADNESS....
04:59:02
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
NOT OR COULD BE. HE SUGGESTED THAT HE WAS ATTACHED TO THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, SO HE WAS
04:59:10
Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
NOT REALLY AN EXECUTIVE. THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES ONE OF CLASSIFIED PAPERS, AND THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE EXECUTIVE. I GUESS THERE IS NO METHOD TO THE MADNESS....
04:59:42
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
HE REFUSED TO RESPOND TO THE REQUEST -- MR. WAXMAN'S REQUEST FOR DOCUMENTATION OF THE STATEMENTS HE HAD MADE TO THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR IN THE INVESTIGATION,...
05:00:36
Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
OTHERWISE. CERTAINLY IS THAT THE BE ESTABLISHED, OBSTRUCTION OF A CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION SURELY WOULD RISE TO THE STANDARD
05:00:44
Fein, Bruce - Chairman
OF A HIGH CRIME MISDEMEANOR. >> DO YOU THINK IT SERVES A GOOD SOCIAL PURPOSE TO GO INTO IMPEACHMENT, OR DO YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THE...
05:01:08
Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
DEPENDS UPON WHAT THE ALLEGATIONS ARE. THERE CAN BE BAD IMPEACHMENTS AND GOOD ONES. THE ONE THAT PRECEDED NIXON WAS A BAD ONE AGAINST ANDREW JOHNSON,...
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
LEAVE THE WHITE HOUSE. IT WAS PRESIDENT FOR NEWS THAT OUR NATIONAL NIGHTMARE WAS OVER AFTER WE GOT RID OF PRESIDENT NIXON THROUGH AN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING....
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Cohen, Stephen "Steve" - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
AND YOU TESTIFIED
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
THAT ISF PRESIDENT CLINTON LIVEED AND IF HE CONCEALED EVIDENCE
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
THEN THAT WOULD MAKE THE PRESIDENT'S
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
ACTIONS SELF-SERVING, AND THEREFORE IT BECOMES AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE? IS THAT THE GIST OF YOUR TESTIMONY? >> I THINK IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT WAS THE GIST...
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
I WANT TO POSE THIS QUESTION TO YOU -- IF THE PRESIDENT LIED AND CONCEALED INFORMATION AND DID SO FOR PURPOSES OF TAKING THE COUNTRY TO WAR, DO YOU...
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
BE AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE? >> I THINK HE WOULD HAVE TO EXAMINE THE CIRCUMSTANCES. >> WOULDN'T AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY EXAMINE THE CIRCUMSTANCES? YOU...
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
IT IS CERTAINLY WISE AND PRUDENT TO PROCEED WITH
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
ACTION TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE ALLEGATIONS CAN BE PROVEN BY A HIGHER LEVEL OF EVIDENCE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, I THINK IT TURNS ON YOUR SUGGESTION...
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
THAT YOU DO NOT THINK THAT THAT INFORMATION RISES TO THE
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
LEVEL OF A LEGITIMATE INQUIRY? >> I WILL STICK BY WHAT I SAID EARLIER AND WHAT IS IN THE WRITTEN TESTIMONY. I DO NOT SEE THE FACTS THAT WAY. >> IT IS...
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
ATTORNEY LOOK AT THEM A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT I THINK THEY WOULD BOTH AGREE -- EXCUSE ME, DID I SAY DEFENSE
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
LAWYER? I NOTES, A DEFENSE LAWYER AND A PROSECUTOR MAY
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
LOOK AT THE FACTS A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
WE SHOULD EVEN BE LOOKING AT THE FACTS. AND YOU TAKE THE POSITION, IT SEEMS TO ME, THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING AT THE FACTS TODAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU...
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
PROBABLE CAUSE AND WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH SOME INQUIRY. >> I THINK YOU HAVE TAKEN AN OATH TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION, AND YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU THINK...
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
AND DO YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE OF THIS CONGRESS IN LIGHT OF THE INFORMATION THAT HAS COME TO PASS OVER THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, THAT
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
WE WOULD NEGLECT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK INTO THIS? >>
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
I THINK I HAVE SAID I DO NOT SEE THE FACTS THE SAME WAY THAT YOU DO. >> I ADMIT THAT, AND I RESPECT IT, BUT DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE FOR...
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
RAISED AND THE FACTUAL DATA THAT SUPPORTS THOSE ALLEGATIONS? >> NO, I DO
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
NOT THINK IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE OF YOU NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. >> PROSECUTOR -- MS. HOLTZMAN, HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS? >>
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
I THINK IT WOULD BE SHIRKING YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO FAIL TO HOLD THIS ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE
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Johnson, Henry "Hank" C. Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
CONSTITUTIONALLY FOR THESE SERIOUS ABUSES OF POWER, AND I THINK AGREE WITH MR. F EIN
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Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
THAT AN ABBREVIATED AND SHORT AND CAREFUL EXAMINATION AND INQUIRY COULD BE MADE, AND THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION...
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Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
WE HAVE DONE TO OURSELVES THAT WHICH JESSE JACKSON HAS
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Sherman, Brad - U.S. Representative, [D] California
SAID HE WANTED TO DO TO SOMEONE ELSE. WE HAVE PUT OUR PARTY ABOVE ARTICLE ONE OF THE CONSTITUTION. AND THE STATUTE WHICH WOULD PROTECT CONGRESSIONAL POWER...
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
LOSSAWS AGAINST CATHOLICS. IN THE ENGLISH BILL OF RIGHTS OF 1688, FOLLOWING THE GLORIOUS REVOLUTION, THERE WAS A SPECIFIC ASSERTION PROHIBITING ANY KEEN,...
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Sherman, Brad - U.S. Representative, [D] California
SECTION OF AN ENACTMENT THAT WE
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
SEND TO THEM THAT THOSE PROVISIONS WOULD BE IN APPLICABLE MANY PARTS OF THE BILL THEY LIKE WOULD BE APPLICABLE BECAUSE EVERY PRESIDENT LIKES SOME PART...
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Sherman, Brad - U.S. Representative, [D] California
THE WAY THEY ACCOMPLISH THIS IS THEY SIGN A BILL CONTAINING -- SAY FOUR OR FIVE PROVISIONS, AND THEY SAY THE PROVISIONS THEY DO NOT LIKE ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL...
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
WORSE FOR THEIR WORK ON IT, BUT IT COULD GET AT THIS ABUSE. >>
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Sherman, Brad - U.S. Representative, [D] California
I WILL BE TRYING TO ADD THAT PROVISION TOO MANY BILLS NEXT YEAR. I HAVE ONLY A SECOND. MS. HOLTZMAN, YOU ARE A FORMER PROSECUTOR. IS IT
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
APPROPRIATE FOR PROSECUTORS TO SEEK AN INDICTMENT IF HE OR SHE IS VIRTUALLY CERTAIN THEY CANNOT OBTAIN A CONVICTION? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE SYSTEM.
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Sherman, Brad - U.S. Representative, [D] California
IT DEPENDS ON THE EVIDENCE. WHY WOULD YOU NOT GET A CONVICTION? IS IT BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE A GOOD STAFF? YOU HAVE NOT DONE YOUR HOMEWORK? IF THE EVIDENCE...
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Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
THAT THE PERSON IS GUILTY, BUT FOR THIS OR THAT EXTRANEOUS FACTOR -- SAY, THE PERSON IS A BIG-TIME CELEBRITY, AND YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY YOU...
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Sherman, Brad - U.S. Representative, [D] California
YOU WERE NEVER A PROSECUTOR IN L.A. I YIELD BACK. >> ATTORNEY TAMMY BALDWIN. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. FEIN, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE...
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Holtzman, Elizabeth - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
OF MINE ON THE BILL MOYERS JOURNAL SHOW. SINCE
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Sherman, Brad - U.S. Representative, [D] California
WE ARE PLUGGING BOOKS, MY CONSTITUENT IS THE AUTHOR OF "THE GENIUS
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Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
OF IMPEACHMENT: THE FOUNDERS' CURE FOR ROYAL
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Baldwin, Tammy - U.S. Representative, [D] Wisconsin
ASSENT." HE USED A METAPHOR THAT I HAVE FOUND IS -- IT STUCK WITH ME, AND I KNOW IT'S UP WITH MANY OTHERS. HE SAID, "LET'S SAY THAT WHEN GEORGE WASHINGTON...
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
COMMISSIONS ACT, WHICH IS PERHAPS THE MOST SWEEPING DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY EVER GIVEN TO ANY PRESIDENT AT ANY TIME AND ANY PLACE AND ACQUIESCING AND...
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Baldwin, Tammy - U.S. Representative, [D] Wisconsin
AM FINDING SOME VERY DISTURBING AN EERIE SIMILARITIES IN MY MIND BETWEEN BEHAVIOR AND RHETORIC OF THIS ADMINISTRATION DURING THE LEAD UP TO THE WAR...
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Anderson, Ross "Rocky" C. - Founder and President
YOUR QUESTION IS WHETHER AN IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING WOULD DETER THIS PRESIDENT FROM INVADING IRAN? >> QUESTION IS WHETHER AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY OR OTHER...
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Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
AND FACTS, AND YOU ARE ASKING ME FOR JUST SPECULATION. I HAVE NO ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> >SCHIFF
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Baldwin, Tammy - U.S. Representative, [D] Wisconsin
IS A FORMER ASSISTANT
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Bugliosi, Vincent - Author
UNITED STATES ATTORNEY AND A VALUED MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING. OVER THE LAST EIGHT...
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Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THE DARK IN THE CATEGORIES OF SURVEILLANCE AND INTERROGATION, AND SOME OF THIS CONDUCT HAS TAKEN PLACE VERY MUCH IN
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Schiff, Adam B. - U.S. Representative, [D] California
THE OPEN, AS WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION IGNORES THE PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE, THAT WHEN THE CONGRESS FINDS SOMEONE IN CONTEMPT OF THE CONGRESS, THAT...
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
IS THERE IS ALREADY A LAW THAT SAYS THE PRESIDENT MUST NOTIFY THE CONGRESS IF HE DECIDES THAT A PORTION OF THE LAW THAT HAS PASSED IS NOT CONSTITUTIONAL...
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Schiff, Adam B. - U.S. Representative, [D] California
DETERMINATION THAT IT WOULD NOT COMPLY WITH A LAW BASED ON ITS BELIEFS OF ITS CONSTITUTIONAL PREROGATIVE? >> THAT IS SORT OF THE ISSUE THAT IS RAISED...
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
DECIDED BY THE COURTS YET. IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE OTHER THING, ON THE SUBJECT OF DOCUMENTS AND THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE AT THE LAST MINUTE, PARTICULARLY...
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED, FOR INSTANCE WHEN THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE FIRST TIME TRIED TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC EXPLANATION FOR FLOUTING FISA BY CONDUCTING...
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Schiff, Adam B. - U.S. Representative, [D] California
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU REALLY TOOK THE
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Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH. I WANT TO COMMEND THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE LEADERSHIP HE HAS SUNG ON THE 45 PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE HAD DURING THIS CONGRESS...
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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
THOSE 45 HEARINGS, IT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE THERE WAS A SIX-YEAR BACKLOG IN WHICH IN THE FIRST SIX YEARS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO OVERSIGHT...
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
POWER IS MEANT TO BE TO VETO LAWS. HE CAN VETO THEM FOR ANY REASON, POLICY MEETING, LEGAL REASON, AND A CONGRESS PASSES THE LAW, THE PRESIDENT OUGHT...
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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
GO NOW, AND WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THAT, BY YOU HAVE THE IMPEACHMENT REMEDY, -- >>
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
I'M TALKING AS A SPECIFIC RESPONSE TO THE USE OF SIGNING STATEMENTS. >> YOU COULD, SURE. >> SHORTER THAT, WHAT OTHER REMEDIES ARE AVAILABLE? I THINK THIS...
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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
I KNOW THE SENATOR SPECTER SPONSORED
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
LEGISLATION IN 109TH CONGRESS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE PRACTICE
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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
OF SIGNING STATEMENTS, AND I KNOW THE CHAIRMAN IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT ENTIRE CONCEPT. BEYOND IN TEACHING THIS PRESIDENT, TAKING A LONGER-TERM VIEW. >>...
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
INTERESTING TECHNIQUE. >> LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WHEN I WAS IN THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE, THERE WERE INSTANCES IN WHICH THE LEGISLATURE WENT TO THE...
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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
WHICH, SORT OF PASSING A LAW TO SAY THAT THEY ARE PROHIBITED OR NARROWING THEIR USE, IS THERE A PROVISION THAT WOULD ALLOW US AS THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH...
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
APPROPRIATE FOR IN A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, PRESSURE TO BE PUT ON THE CANDIDATES TO SAY -- >> BUT I WANT MORE THAN THAT. I WANT SOME REAL LEGAL -- >> I...
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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
WHAT CAN BE DONE IS THROUGH THE POWER OF THE PURSE. YOU SIMPLY SAY THAT THERE IS NO MONEY THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
UTILIZE TO AXE ALLIES ANY LAW, OR REFUSE TO ISSUE A SIGNING STATEMENT, SAYING HE'S GOING TO PICK AND CHOOSE
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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
WHAT HE CHOOSES TO ENFORCE. HE THEN HAS TO CHOOSE ALL OR NOTHING.
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Schwarz, Frederick "Fritz" A. O. Jr. - Senior Counsel
SO LIKE THE SITUATION NOW WHERE HE CAN TAKE WHAT HE LIKES AND WHY
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
WHAT HE DOES NOT, YOU TELL HIM HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY MONEY TO ENFORCE ANY LAW. >> THAT IS WONDERFUL. GLAD TO HEAR THAT I PERSONALLY CAN GET INVOLVED IN...
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Wasserman Schultz, Debbie - U.S. Representative, [D] Florida
COULD YOU DO A SIGNING STATEMENT BASED ON THE PRECEDENT OF THIS WHITE HOUSE, ISSUED A SIGNING STATEMENT THAT SAYS -- FOR A LAW THAT SAID THERE IS NO...
05:37:32
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
TO CARRY OUT A LOT IN WHICH YOU HAVE DONE A SIGNING STATEMENT? >> THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE A NEW HIGH
05:37:42
Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
WATERMARK OF OUR DESTINY, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT WOULD NOT BE REACHED. HE COULD TRY TO VETO IT AND SAY HE WILL NOT EXECUTE THAT. THE PROBLEM, HOWEVER,...
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
IMPEACHMENT. FOR WHATEVER REASON, THERE SEEMS TO BE STILL A CONSENSUS THAT THE POWER OF THE PURSE IS INVIOLATE AND THE PRESIDENT CANNOT SPEND MONEY THAT...
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Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
THE CASE AS DESCRIBED.
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Fein, Bruce - Chairman
CONGRESSMAN KUCINICH, WHAT IS THE FACTUAL BASIS FOR YOUR CLAIM THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE -- THE
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Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
WHITE HOUSE MADE NO AND UNTRUE STATEMENTS TO THE CONGRESS, WHICH LED US INTO WAR? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, MR. ELLISON, I TOOK SENATE...
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
LINE, AND IN DOING SO WAS ABLE TO COME TO AN EASY CONCLUSION THAT THE REPRESENTATIONS THAT WERE MADE IN BOTH OF THESE RESOLUTIONS, SUBSTANTIVE REPRESENTATIONS'...
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Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
WAS CONTINUING TO THREATEN THE NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT IS A DIRECT QUOTATION FROM THESE
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
RESOLUTIONS. IT NOT ONLY TURNED OUT NOT TO BE TRUE, BUT THERE WAS INTELLIGENCE THAT EXISTED AT THE TIME THAT SUGGESTED THAT THE WHITE HOUSE KNEW THEN...
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Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
IF APPROVED, I WOULD THINK SO, BUT WE HAVE HEARD SOME SUGGESTIONS THAT THAT VIEW OF THE FACT IS INCORRECT. >> WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE THE OBLIGATION...
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
TO SEE WHETHER THESE FACTS -- IT COULD RISE TO THE LEVEL TO FORM AN
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Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
ACCUSATION. >> YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY ARE ACCURATE OR NOT. . >>
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
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Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
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Presser, Stephen B. - Professor
I AM NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. WHAT I UNDERSTOOD CONGRESSMAN CHRIS SENATE TO BE SAYING WAS -- CONGRESSMAN KUCINICH TO BE SAYING...
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Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
WE HAVE LEARNED CENTS. THAT IS NOT IMPEACHABLE. IF HE SAYS THEY KNOWINGLY DECEIVED CONGRESS, THAT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. THAT COULD BE THE...
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Ellison, Keith - U.S. Representative, [D] Minnesota
FALSE, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME APPROPRIATE TO
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
MAKE AN INQUIRY TO GET THE TRUTH. IF THE TRUTH BACKS UP THE ADMINISTRATION MADE MISREPRESENTATIONS, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE WHETHER...
05:47:16
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
TO COME BACK AND TESTIFY ONCE AGAIN ON A SEPARATE PANEL. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS. U.S.
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Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
QUESTIONS OF SEVERAL PEOPLE. A NUMBER OF US HAVE AND PROSECUTORS. I REMEMBER PROSECUTING A DIFFICULT CASE ON PERJURY COMING OUT OF ONE OF THE MOST RACIALLY-...
05:49:31
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
TODAY THAT ASSERTIONS OR REPORTS WERE MADE TO CONGRESS AS SAYING
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Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
THAT THE INTELLIGENCE SAYS THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER THING, WHEN IN FACT IT SAID, WE THINK THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER
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Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
THING, BUT WE ARE NOT SURE. THE CAVEAT WERE NOT THERE. IS THAT NOT A DELIBERATE MISREPRESENTATION? >> NO, THAT IS NOT. ONCE AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE...
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Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. IT IS NOT THAT PEOPLE ARE ATTEMPTING TO MUZZLE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. WHEN WE INVITE PEOPLE HERE TO TESTIFY, THEY...
05:50:59
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
ADJOURN
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Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
IMMEDIATELY AFTER
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Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
MR. LUNDGREN FINISHES, IF THERE ARE ANY DISRUPTIONS, THOSE PEOPLE IDENTIFIED WILL NOT BE INVITED TO THESE HEARINGS AGAIN. I ASK EVERYONE TO PLEASE JOIN...
05:51:47
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
SECONDLY, AND SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE TIRED OF HEARING THIS, BUT I HAVE BEEN REREADING A EISENHOWERS' MEMOIRS OF WORLD WAR II. HE MAKES THE POINT THAT ...
05:55:03
Nadler, Jerrold - U.S. Representative, [D] New York
THE PRESIDENT BEING CORRECT OR WHETHER THE INTELLIGENCE WAS CORRECT. THE INTELLIGENCE IS ALWAYS A FOG. YOU ARE CORRECT. THE ISSUE IS THE INTELLIGENCE...
05:56:19
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN FIND AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE BASED ON THE FACT THE PRESIDENT TOOK THESE ESTIMATES AND IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OTHER INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY...
05:57:09
Scott, Robert "Bobby" - U.S. Representative, [D] Virginia
WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION. >> I KNOW IT IS INCONTROVERTIBLE WITH RESPECT TO THE OTHER INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. I THINK THAT CHAIRMAN FOR HIS...
05:57:35
Lungren, Daniel "Dan" E. - U.S. Representative, [R] California
STAY THROUGH FIVE HOURS OF HEARINGS. WHAT ABOUT THE WITNESSES WHO STAYED THROUGH FIVE HOURS OF HEARINGS? WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]
05:57:48
Conyers, John Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] Michigan
I THINK MEL WAS RIGHT. THESE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE HELD IN THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DURING THE 110TH CONGRESS. THIS TRANSCRIPT WILL...
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WE EXPECT A FINAL VOTE TOMORROW ON A HOME MORTGAGE AID BILL INCLUDING ASSISTANCE FOR FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC. ALSO A VOTE ON A MEASURE THAT ALLOCATES...

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