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PROBLEMS WITH THE BILL. ONE IT GRANTS COMPLETE RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY TO ALL CUSTOMERS THAT SPIED ON CUSTOMERS IN THE YEARS AFTER 9/11. AS KIT BOND SAID...
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DISMISSED OUTRIGHT. ALSO, GOING FORWARD THE BILL ALLOWS THE GOVERNMENT TO COLLECT EVERY PHONE CALL AND E-MAIL COMING INTO AND OUT OF THE UNITED STATES...
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IS WE HAVE COURT REVIEW AND AS WE FOUND OUT LAST WEEK BY THE DECISION IN THE SUPREME COURT, DON'T PREDICT WHAT THE COURTS ARE GOING TO DO. THIS IS COURT
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REVIEW. HOST: WHAT DO YOU THINK GUEST: I THINK THAT IS A MISLEADING STATEMENT. THE BILL CLEARLY DIRECTS THE COURTS TO DISMISS THE CASES IF THE...
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WHETHER FISA OR OTHER
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| 00:01:43 |
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PRIVACY LAWS WERE BROKEN. ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE SHOWN IS THEY WERE SERVED WITH THE REQUEST BY THE GOVERNMENT EVEN IF THE REQUEST ON ITS FACE WAS WHOLLY...
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END. WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KEEP CHALLENGING PAST ACTIVITIES OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND
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OF THESE COMPANIES AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE LAW GOING FORWARD IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IT OVERBROAD, REACHES TOO FAR INTO
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AMERICANS' PRIVATE LIVES AN VIOLATES THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. HOST: FOR THOSE THAT SUPPORT THE ACLU AN DONATE TO IT, WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE GOING TO FIGHT...
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BACKWARDS. LETTING TELECOMS OFF THE HOOK FOR SPYING. WE WILL FIGHT THIS IN THE THE NATIONAL AND WHEN IT IS PASSED WE WILL FIGHT IT IN THE
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COURTS. HOST: WILL THE ACLU MAKE IT A POLITICAL ISSUE FOR 2008? GUEST: WE DON'T GET DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN ELECTIONS. WE ARE A NONPARTISAN ORGANIZATION...
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NUMBERS ON THE
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SCREEN SCREEN. YOU HAVE SAID THAT THIS IS THE VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. EXPLAIN
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| 00:03:53 |
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THAT. GUEST: THE FOURTH AMENDMENT REQUIRES THE GOVERNMENT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG BEFORE IT DIVES INTO THE MOST PERSONAL...
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COMING INTO AND OUT OF THE UNITED STATES WITHOUT ANY FINDING OF WRONG DOING. ACTUALLY WITHOUT ANY CONNECTION TO TERRORISM. TRADITIONALLY THE COURTS WOULD...
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A U.S. PERSON IS TARGETED THERE NEEDS TO BE APPROVAL GRANTED BY THE FISA COURT AND AS PELOSI INSISTED IT NEED TOED ESTABLISHED THAT THE FISA...
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PROGRAM THAT ISN'T INDIVIDUALIZED. IT NOT TARGETED AT ANYONE. INSTEAD, IT PERMITS BULK SUSPICION LISTS, COLLECTION OF ALL COMMUNICATIONS COMING INTO...
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WORK. HOST: OUR FIRST
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PHONE CALL CARBONDALE, ILLINOIS. THc REPUBLICAN LINE. CALLER: WHAT SHE IS SAYING IS ONLY HALF TRUE. THE NEW LOW ONLY APPLIES TO CALLS COMING INTO...
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WHAT REASONS, WE ARE IN TROUBLE. NUMBER TWO, SHE TALKS ABOUT LAWS LAWSUITS. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LAW IS DESIGNED TO TAKE A PERSON TO COURT...
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REVIEW, STRICT LIMITS ON HOW THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ARE USED. AND PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY COMMUNICATE INTERNATIONALLY AS WELL AS DOMESTICALLY...
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IS A SUNSET PROVISION ON THIS COMPROMISE. IT IS 2012. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? CALLER: IT IS NOT THE COMPROMISE BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A COMPROMISE....
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PERSONS IN THE UNITED STATES AND U.S. CITIZENS ABROAD. GUEST: WELL, WHEN THE STORY BROKE THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM THAT THE GOVERNMENT CLAIMED IT HAD WAS...
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IT WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED FOREIGN-TO-FOREIGN COMMUNICATIONS FROM GUYS SAFRMENT WE SUPPORTED THAT. EVERYONE SUPPORTED THAT. HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS...
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| 00:11:20 |
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TARGETED AT TERRORISTS, IT WOULD BE A FAR LESS CONTROVERSIAL BILL AND YOU WOULD SEE MUCH MORE
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SUPPORT FOR IT. HOST: WE WILL MOVE ON NEXT TO LOUTON, OKLAHOMA. CALLER:. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? HOST: DOING WELL, SIR. CALLER: I'M A FIRST-TIME CALLER...
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WHERE IT IS EXPLICITLY OR IMPLICITLY GUARANTEED ANY AMERICAN OR ANYONE ELSE
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A RIGHT TO PRIVACY. I WOULD CHALLENGE NOT ONLY HER OR ANYONE IN THE ACLU HIERARCHY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. HOST: THANKS, CALLER....
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INVESTIGATING PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY.
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THEY SNOOP AROUND ON EVERYONE IN THE HOPES OF FINDING SOMEBODY DOING SOMETHING WRONG. THIS VIOLATES THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. IT VIOLATES LONGSTANDING AMERICAN...
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CAN RATIONALIZE BREAKING THE LAW. AND YOU KEEP HEARING THESE REPRESENTATIONS BEING RELATED WHICH ONLY FOCUS ON THE TERRORIST ASPECTS OF THE EAVESDROPPING...
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YEARS. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WITHIN THING IF CONGRESS HAD A THOROUGH VETTING OF WHAT HAD, WHY DID THEY DO THIS, WHAT IS NOW BEING DONE WITH THEIR PHONE...
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SATISFACTORY TO YOU? GUEST: WE DO SUPPORT ANY EFFORTS TO REMOVE IMMUNITY FROM THIS BILL. THAT BEING SAID, EVEN IF IMMUNITY IS REMOVED THE BILL GOES...
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THE EXECUTIVE SHOULD HAVE THIS POWER BE IT GEORGE BUSH, JOHN MCCONTINGENT OR BARACK OBAMA. IT FUNDAMENTALLY SHIFTS THE BALANCE OF POWER. IT COMPLETELY...
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AND WE HAVE OF COURSE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR THEIR SUPPORT. BUT SINCE THEN THE PUBLIC HAS BECOME MORE INVOLVED. THEY ARE MORE EDUCATED. THEY REALIZE...
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MOST OF AMERICA DOESN'T WANT A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD FOR THESE COMPANIES. THEY WANT ACCOUNTABILITY AND THEY ARE TIRED OF CORPORATE GIVEAWAYS AND...
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PEDRO, CALIFORNIA. CALLER: GOOD
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MORNING. C-SPAN IS THE GREATEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY. I'M IN ELECTRONICS SECURITY BUSINESS AND ONE THING WE DO KNOW IN MY BUSINESS...
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ALL OF OUR CELL PHONES AN WIRELESS DEVICES AND HAVE BEEN DOING THAT THE LAST 20 YEARS. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING HEARD BY THE GOVERNMENT DON'T...
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MATTER. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY GOVERNMENT IS ALLOWED TO GET INTO YOUR PRIVATE BUSINESS. WE PAY FOR PRIVATE PHONE LINES AND WE ARE ENTITLED TO IT. MAYBE...
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A SHAY STACK STOP
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DUMPING ON THE HAY. WE KNOW BEFORE 9/11 THE GOVERNMENT HAD SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION THAT HAD NOT BEEN TRANSLATED, THAT WAS SITTING ON A SHELF AND HAD...
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SAFETY. I DIDN'T ELECT ANY PERSON FROM THE ACLU TO GO IN THERE WITH THESE FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS AND TRY TO KEEP US FROM BEING BOMBED AND ATTACKED BY THESE...
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THEM WHERE THEY BELONG, IN THE GROUND. GUEST: WELL, THERE REALLY HAS BEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT PROGRAM ACTUALLY WORKS. IT HAS BEEN 2 1/2 YEARS SINCE...
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PROGRAM INTO STONE AND GIVE THEIR RUBBER STAMP ON THIS PROGRAM. AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE A SINGLE EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS BROAD DRAGNET HAS EVER CAUGHT...
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FOR -- HOST: HOW DO YOU KNOW IF SOMEBODY IS A TERRORIST IF YOU DON'T WIRETAP HEM TO FIND OUT?
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GUEST: THERE ARE MANY INVESTIGATIVE TOOLS THE GOVERNMENT HAS SHORT OF SITTING ON THE WIRE AND GETTING EVERY COMMUNICATION COME INTO AND OUT OF THE UNITED...
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FISA TO TAP THEM, TO SEARCH THEIR HOME, TO COLLECT THEIR RECORDS AND SEIZE
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PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING THEY WANT ON THAT PERSON. IT IS NOT A VERY HIGH THRESHOLD. THAT IS WHY THERE HAVE BEEN TENS OF THOSES OF THESE FISA ORDERS GRANTED...
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THE BUSH OL GARIGARCHY IS OUT TO GET US. I THINK ONCE OBAMA IS ELECTED THIS WILL STOP BUT WE HAVE TO USE SOME COMMON SENSE. IF WE STILL HAVE TERRORIST...
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THERE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT TAPPING INDIVIDUAL TERRORISTS
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ABROAD. THE GOVERNMENT ALWAYS HAD THAT ABILITY. THIS BILc IS NOT ABOUT THAT. IT IS ABOUT SETTING UP AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAT HAS CONTINUED...
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| 00:27:51 |
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PROCEDURES TO THE COURT. IT WILL BE ALLOWED TO COLLECT AMERICAN COMMUNICATIONS WITHOUT ANY FINDING OF WRONGDOING, WITHOUT INDIVIDUAL REVIEW, OR WITHOUT...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.