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REPRESENTED 15% OR 20% OF THE POPULATION OF THE STATE, THAT WAS ONLY A TOKEN BLACK. THERE WERE NO YOUNG PEOPLE UNDER 30 AND MANY OF THOSE DELEGATIONS....
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| 00:01:49 |
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HAD WON IN ALL LANDSLIDE IN 1964, DECIDED NOT TO RUN FOR REELECTION. YOU HAVE OTHER CANDIDATES COMING FORWARD, BUT WE HAD NOT YET PERFORMED OUR DELEGATE...
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YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS ON CHICAGO. WHAT CAN YOU ADD? GUEST: SOME BACKGROUND. I WAS A CHICAGO
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POLICE REPORTER WHO HAD WORKED ON THE PAPER FOR SEVEN YEARS. I WAS THE NEWS EDITOR OF "NEWS WEEK." I SAW IT IN THE CONVENTION HALL AND ON THE STREET....
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| 00:03:56 |
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IN CHICAGO WAS INEVITABLE. THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT HAD BEEN BUILDING UP
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| 00:04:01 |
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STEAM. IT WAS SEEKING A CONFRONTATION. SOME WERE SEEKING MARTYRDOM SO THAT THEY COULD HELP RECRUIT ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES WHEN THEY WENT BACK IN THE FALL....
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| 00:05:35 |
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VICE-PRESIDENT HAD TOO MANY DELEGATES LOCKED UP. BUT FOR KENNEDY EVEN GOT INTO THE RACE. I WAS A CLOSE FRIEND OF ROBERT KENNEDY, AND AFTER HE WAS KILLED,...
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SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROCESS BY WHICH DELEGATES WERE SELECTED. YOU HAD TO HAVE SOME REASONABLE RELATIONSHIP TO THE POPULATION. IF ROUGHLY HALF THE PEOPLE...
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| 00:08:23 |
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FRIENDS WITH PRESIDENT CLINTON AND SENATOR CLINTON. BUT WHEN I ENDORSED HILLARY ON OCTOBER 6 OF LAST YEAR, I WOULD NEVER HAVE IMAGINED BARACK OBAMA --...
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LESSONS OF 1968 ARE STILL WITH US. FIRST OF ALL, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO SIDES SEEKING CONFRONTATION,
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AND YOU WILL WIND UP HAVING A CONFRONTATION. IT IS
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VERY DIFFICULT TO TRY AND REASON AND COME TO LOGICAL CONCLUSIONS AND SETTLE PROBLEMS WHEN BOTH SIDES ARE ITCHING FOR A SOUGHT -- ARE REACHING FOR A FIGHT....
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| 00:12:02 |
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WITH THIS IF I CAN TAKE ONE MORE MINUTE. THAT IS THE
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1960'S ATTITUDE. THERE WAS AN ATTITUDE THEN THAT YOU COULD DO ANYTHING YOU WANT AND GET AWAY WITH IT AND NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. IT DID NOT MATTER...
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| 00:13:41 |
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WAY -- FAR AWAY, WET AMERICA'S FUTURE UNDER CHALLENGE RIGHT HERE IT HOME, WITH OUR HOPES AND THE WORLD'S HOPES FOR PEACE IN THE BALANCE EVERY DAY, I...
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| 00:14:00 |
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DEVOTE AN HOUR OR A DAY OF MY TERM TO ANY PERCH -- ANY PERSONAL PARTISAN CAUSES OR TO ANY DUTIES AND OTHER THAN THE OFF SOME DUTIES -- THE AWESOME DUTIES...
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| 00:14:58 |
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NONE OF US HAD ANY WARNING OR ANY CLUE OF WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO. HE DID NOT LEAVE ANY. I THINK THE PERSON WHO PLAYED A LARGE
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| 00:15:09 |
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ROLE IN THE DECISION WAS LADYBIRD JOHNSON. SHE GENUINELY FEARED FOR HIS HEALTH IF HE WERE TO SERVE ANOTHER TERM AS PRESIDENT. HE HAD A HEART CONDITION....
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| 00:15:59 |
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THAT WOULD APPLY RIGHT NOW IN REGARD TO THE PRE-WAR INTELLIGENCE PRIOR TO THE INVASION OF IRAQ. WE HAVE YET TO HAVE ANYONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE FALSE...
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| 00:17:18 |
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CHILD IS 21 AND SHE COULD CERTAINLY BE A POSSIBILITY TO BE UP FOR THAT. THAT LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD. THERE WERE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF...
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| 00:18:02 |
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CYNICAL VIEW. THAT WAS THAT IN -- THE THREAT OF
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| 00:18:07 |
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BEING DRAFTED IN DID, THAT TOOK A LOT OF THE STEAM OUT OF THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT. ONCE THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING HAVE TO GO, THEY WERE NOT QUITE...
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| 00:19:45 |
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HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS RATHER FANATICALLY ACCORDING TO MY WIFE -- THIS PRIMARY SEASON BACK HOME. I AM SOMEWHAT DISMAYED HOW THINGS HAVE TURNED. FROM...
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| 00:21:34 |
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IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE STAKES. SO MANY PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN VIETNAM, AND YOU ALSO HAD THE SUPPORT RIGHTS, YOU HAD ALL KINDS OF ISSUES THAT WERE INVOLVED.
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| 00:21:51 |
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I WOULD SAY THAT THE TIME WAS EVEN WORSE THAN IT IS TODAY. -- THE TONE WAS EVEN WORSE. BUT WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME SO THE TOWN CAN STILL GET EVEN WORSE...
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| 00:23:30 |
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LET ME JUST SAY. IT IS STRANGE TO ME -- BUT LET ME GET BACK TO MY PERCEPTION OF REALITY. I FEEL THAT WE ARE LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES OF CORPORATE...
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| 00:25:11 |
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WE'RE FUNDED BY NOW AND FOR PENNIES EACH MONTH. GUEST: I NO LONGER WORK FOR ABC. ABC IS OWNED BY DISNEY. I CANNOT PICTURED DISNEY TAKING PART IN
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| 00:25:28 |
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THE BILDERBERG GROUP. WITH RESPECT TO OUR LISTENER, WHAT YOU HAVE EXPRESSED IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HOLD. NONE OF US
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| 00:25:40 |
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IN THE YEARS THAT I HAVE WORKED HAD EVER BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUCH A CONSPIRACY REALLY EXISTS. YES, CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE GET TOGETHER...
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| 00:26:52 |
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GUEST: FROM 1978 UNTIL 1998. HOST: THIS PHOTOGRAPH FROM VANITY FAIR IN 1968. WHY DID HE WAIT SO LATE TO ANNOUNCE? GUEST: AT THE BEGINNING, HE FELT THAT...
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| 00:27:19 |
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HUBERT HUMPHREY LOST TIME. -- HUBERT HUMPHREY
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| 00:27:25 |
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PASTIME -- HUBERT HUMPHREY'S TIME. WHEN LYNDON JOHNSON DECIDED NOT TO RUN, A LOGICAL
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| 00:27:37 |
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SUCCESSOR WAS HUBERT HUMPHREY. BOBBY KENNEDY WAS VERY HESITANT ABOUT WANTING TO STEP INTO THAT. WHEN HE DID COME IN, YOU ARE RIGHT, IT WAS LATE IN THE...
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| 00:29:25 |
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THE POLITICAL CONVENTION TOOK PLACE IN AUGUST. THE MEETING COINCIDED WITH JOHNSON'S BIRTHPLACE OF WAS MUCH LATER THAN IT WAS USUALLY. LOS ANGELES IS OUR...
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| 00:30:51 |
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50 YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE STILL HAD THAT THEORY. SOME PEOPLE DID. I DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. TO BE ABLE TO...
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| 00:31:45 |
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AND YET HUBERT HUMPHREY ALMOST WON THAT ELECTION. GUEST: LET'S TAKE 1968 FIRST. I HEARD HUMPHREY SAY THIS. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR WHAT HAD GONE LAUNCHED...
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| 00:32:11 |
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CLOSEST ELECTIONS WE HAD EVER HAD UP UNTIL 2000. 1976, ANOTHER CLOSE ELECTION. LESS THAN A PERCENTAGE POINT. PRESIDENT FORD TOLD ONETIME AFTER HE WAS...
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| 00:33:12 |
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RATHER BADLY AT THE HANDS OF BOTH THE PRESS AND WITHIN HER PARTY ITSELF. IN THE SENSE THAT I THINK ENTER SULLIVAN IN TODAY'S COLUMN REALLY POINTS OUT...
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| 00:34:49 |
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NOT THINK IT WILL. I DO NOT THINK HE COULD. I DON'T THINK HER FOLLOWERS WOULD GO FOR THAT AS MUCH AS THEY ADMIRE AND LOVE HER. THIRD PARTIES DO NOT DO...
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| 00:35:01 |
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AMERICA. WE ARE AT TWO-PARTY COUNTRY FOR BETTER OR WORSE. THEY CAN SOMETIMES INFLUENCE ELECTIONS IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC, OVERRIDING ISSUE TO GO ON. THE...
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| 00:37:56 |
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CLOSELY, THE FORMER PRESIDENT NIXON. HAD HE BEEN ELECTED, HOW YOU FEEL THE WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH POLITICS, THE WAR IN VIETNAM, ETC.? GUEST: THAT IS THE...
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| 00:38:31 |
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HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT PRESIDENT OR NOT, THAT WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. HUBERT HUMPHREY WORE HIS HEART ON HIS SLEEVE. YOU ALWAYS KNEW HOW HE FELT...
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| 00:40:30 |
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AND YOUR NEXT AS WE LOOK AT 1968 AND ITS
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| 00:40:34 |
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IMPACT ON DEMOCRATIC PRODUCT -- POLITICS. CALLER: I WAS INTERESTED IN THE ASSESSMENT IF THERE HAD ONLY BEEN A NICE, SMOOTH DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION IN CHICAGO,...
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| 00:40:51 |
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ELECTION. REALLY? THE SET WAS OVER THE WAR CRIME KNOWN AS A VIETNAM. MY LAYMAN'S OPINION IS THAT BOBBY KENNEDY GOT INTO THE RACE BECAUSE HUBERT HUMPHREY...
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BY PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY ALONG WITH CONSULTATION FROM HIS BROTHER, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, THAT PUT US INTO VIETNAM ON A MUCH LARGER SCALE THAN WE HAD...
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| 00:42:48 |
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TAKING PART IN THE DEBATE. HIS
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| 00:42:53 |
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PEOPLE FELT THAT HE COULD WIN THE ELECTION WITHOUT HAVING A DEBATE. SO YOU WENT ALL THOSE YEARS, FROM 1960 TO I GUESS IT WAS, WHAT? HOST: 1976. GUEST:...
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| 00:43:25 |
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ROGER AILES IS A BRILLIANT POLITICAL STRATEGIST. I THINK HE HAD BIG
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| 00:43:29 |
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EFFECT ON THAT RACE. THAT PARTICULAR
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| 00:43:32 |
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STUNT DID NOT HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT, I DO NOT THINK, BECAUSE IT WAS SO CONTRIVED. BUT OVERALL, THE NIXON STRATEGY AND THE ROLE THAT ROGER AILES
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| 00:43:46 |
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PLAYED WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT. HE WAS A VERY SMART POLITICAL STRATEGIST. HOST: DICK MARTIN PASSED AWAY THIS WEEK AT HIS 1986 -- AT 86. IN TERMS OF POLITICS,...
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| 00:44:13 |
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APPEARANCE HAVE ON THE NIXON CAMPAIGN? GUEST: PROBABLY MINOR. BEGAN A TRADITION IN AMERICAN POLITICS THAT YOU ARE A GOOD SPORT AND YOU CAN POKE FUN OF...
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| 00:44:39 |
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HE USED TO BE THAT EVERYONE SHOWED UPG AT SHOWEDAN -- THAT EVERYONE SHOWED UP AT "THE GRAND OLE OPRY." I REMEMBER THAT GEORGE BUSH CAME THERE AND SAID...
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| 00:45:57 |
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FOR "NEWSWEEK" MAGAZINE. GUEST: SOMEONE IS GOING TO LOSE AND SOMEONE IS GOING TO WIN. THIS COUNTRY WILL GO RIGHT ON FUNCTIONING, AND DOING THE BEST THAT...
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| 00:46:17 |
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OF GOVERNMENT AND ELECTIONS THAT IS IMPERFECT IN MANY WAYS. IT
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| 00:46:23 |
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IS STILL BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS AROUND. AND IT WORKS. IT MAY WORK IN A CUMBERSOME WAY. IT MAY BE INFURIATING. BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE STABILITY....
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| 00:49:31 |
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A VETERAN OF THE KOREAN WAR. I NEVER SUFFERED. MANY OF THE PEOPLE I WAS IN SERVICE WITH DID SUFFER. THE DA DID NOT DO RIGHT BY THEM. OUR LISTENER HAS...
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POINT. I WOULD SAY THIS. I
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HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS. THE BEST HEALTH PLAN WE HAVE EVER SEEN ARE THOSE THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO CONGRESS. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE JUST -- IF THE CITIZENS...
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| 00:50:43 |
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THEORIES. I WONDERED WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THREE MAJOR CANDIDATES, BARACK OBAMA, HILLARY CLINTON, AND JOHN MCCAIN, THAT THEY ARE ALL COUNCIL ON...
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| 00:51:34 |
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BY THAT TIME, THE SO-CALLED SOLID SOUTH HAD ALREADY SHOWED IT WAS CRACKED. IT WAS NOT SOMETHING
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| 00:51:42 |
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THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY COULD COUNT ON AS IT ONCE DID. SO GEORGE WALLACE HAD A MINOR IMPACT, I BELIEVE, ON THE CAMPAIGN. HOW MANY STATES? THERE WERE...
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| 00:53:15 |
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NUMBER ONE IS, SHE ATTACKS BARACK OBAMA CONTINUOUSLY YET HE DOESN'T SEEM TO ATTACK HER NEAREST MUCH. I DON'T SEE HOW SHE CAN POSSIBLY -- SHE CANNOT WIN...
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| 00:53:58 |
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BE GRACIOUS. HOW MUCH IS IT HURTING?
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| 00:54:01 |
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YOU HAVE THE SPECTACLE OF THE DEMOCRATS STILL AT WAR WITH EACH OTHER WHILE THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, SENATOR MCCAIN, IS CONSOLIDATING THINGS AND GETTING...
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| 00:54:39 |
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THAT SENATOR OBAMA COULD ATTRACT CRACKPOTS OUT THERE WHO DO NOT LIKE HIM FOR RACIST
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| 00:54:50 |
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REASONS AND ALL KINDS OF REASONS. IT IS SOMETHING BETTER UNSAID, BETTER NOT TALK ABOUT. I WAS SHOCKED THAT SHE SAID SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I AM SURE THAT...
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| 00:55:37 |
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WENT BEYOND THAT. I DO NOT KNOW HOW FAR IT WENT OR HOW SERIOUS IT WAS. I SUSPECT IT WAS MORE CASUAL THAN SERIOUS. HOST: A HEADLINE SAYS THAT SHE IS...
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| 00:56:07 |
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HOST: TIME NEW JERSEY -- MUCH OF THE TIME. HOST:
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| 00:56:18 |
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THE JERSEY, YOUR NEXT. CALLER: YOU UNARTICULATED ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT IS NOT BEING AXED. YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T SATISFIED ABOUT THE CATASTROPHIC INTELLIGENCE...
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| 00:56:33 |
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RIGHT ON TARGET. I THINK MR. MCCAIN -- I AM A REPUBLICAN.
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| 00:56:38 |
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JOHN MCCAIN AND HILLARY CLINTON AND BARACK OBAMA HAVE TO BE AS THAT QUESTION. WHAT WOULD YOU PERSONALLY DO TO INVESTIGATE THE CATASTROPHIC INTELLIGENCE...
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| 00:57:16 |
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ARE STILL VULNERABLE AND NOT ONLY ARE WE VULNERABLE TO ATTACK, BUT WE'RE NOT STRONG ENOUGH IN OUR RESPONSE TO THE ATTACK. I HAPPEN TO HAVE BEEN A VOLUNTEER...
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| 00:58:15 |
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THE INTERNET, YOU'LL FIND THREE PAGES -- >> HOST: WE ONLY HAVE A MINUTE LEFT. IF YOU HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, PLEASE GET IN. CALLER: WHAT IS THAT IF IT...
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| 00:58:42 |
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GUEST: IT IS NOT WORK THE WAY THAT WE WANT TO WORK. WHETHER IT IS A CONSPIRACY OR NOT, I DO NOT SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT. BUT IT DOES NOT PRODUCE THE...
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| 00:58:59 |
HOST, -
MOMENT FOR 1968 DID YOU LOOK BACK ON AND REMEMBER?
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| 00:59:03 |
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GUEST: YES, THERE IS. IT IS A MOMENT I NEVER FORGET. I HAVE BEEN A CORRESPONDENT -- I HAVE SEEN TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES IN DISASTERS. THE ONE THING I CAN...
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| 00:59:19 |
HOST, -
20- YEAR-OLD GIRL LYING DOWN AND THE POLL -- IN THE PARK. THREE POLICEMEN HOLDING
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| 00:59:24 |
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HER DOWN AND THE FOURTH ONE HITTING HER IN THE HEAD WITH A CLUB. THAT IMAGE IS ALWAYS THE FIRST ONE COMES TO MIND WHEN SOMEONE MENTIONS 1968 TO ME. HOST:...
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| 00:59:59 |
HOST, -
KROHN, AUTHOR OF "BOWL LOST BATTALION OFTET." ALSO THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE FOR THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY. ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND....
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