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OUR MODERATOR INCLUDED THESE WORDS FROM A LEADING SUFFRAGISTS. "IT WAS WE THE PEOPLE, NOT BEAT THE WHITE MALE CITIZENS, BUT WE THE WHOLE PEOPLE WHO...
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PEOPLE, ANTHONY'S WORDS ARE A PLEASING REMINDER OF OUR MISSION AND ITS IMPORTANCE. TONIGHT'S PROGRAM PRESENTED AS THE KEYNOTE EVENT OF THE PETER JENNINGS...
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ISSUES AND GET AT WHAT IS GOING ON. I WILL START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. IT FEELS LIKE ANCIENT HISTORY. IN 1870, THE CENSUS OF THE UNITED STATES...
00:08:28
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THERE IS STILL WORK TO BE DONE. WOMEN ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE PART-TIME WORKERS IN LAW FIRMS. ONE IN EIGHT WOMEN ARE LIKELY TO BE PART-TIME WORKERS,...
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BEGINNING OF THEIR CAREER AS A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR FAMILY. FIRMS MAY MARKET THEMSELVES
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AS HAVING PART-TIME OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE, AND THIS MAY BECOME ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN. THE REALITY IS IT IS NOT ON TO LEAD THE PARTNERSHIP. WE HAVE TO...
00:09:49
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WITH GOOD GRADES. THERE'S NOT A SINGLE FIRM IN THE ENTIRE CITY OF NEW YORK THAT WOULD TAKE A CHANCE ON ME AS A LAWYER. JUSTICE O'CONNOR WOULD TELL...
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CHANCE -- IF THEY WOULD RISK OFFERING A JOB TO A WOMAN, THEY WERE NOT GOING TO OFFER
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A JOB TO A MOTHER. . . >> HE WILL JUMP IN AND TAKE OVER. IF YOU DO NOT TAKE A CHANCE OF LOT FOR FOR ANOTHER STUDENT TO YOU AND SO -- >> I LOVE THE...
00:12:17
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OF THE LAST LAW SCHOOLS TO ADMIT WOMEN. IT DID NOT ADMIT WOMEN UNTIL THE CLASS OF 1953. THE DEAN DURING WORLD WAR II WHEN THE MEN WEAR AWAY IN THE
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ARMY, THE DEAN WAS ASKED
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HOW IS LAW SCHOOL DOING? AND HE SAID NOT AS BAD AS WE FEARED. WE HAVE 75 STUDENTS AND WE HAVE NOT HAD TO AMEND WOMEN. -- AND ADMIT WOMEN. EVEN WHEN THE...
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PROBLEM WAS THERE WERE NO -- WAS NO WOMAN'S BATHROOM. THAT WAS THE MAIN BUILDING. AND AT THE LIBRARY AND MOST OF THE CLASSROOMS. YOU CAN IMAGINE IN THE...
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SCHOOL IS FAMOUS WON THE FIRST WOMAN APPLIED TO TAKE A CLASS AT
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PENN STATE. THE DEAN OF THE LAW DEPARTMENT IS SAID TO HAVE THREATENED TO QUIT IF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES ADMITTED A WOMAN OR AN AFRICAN- AMERICAN AT THE...
00:15:53
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BEEN REPORTED, CONDESCENSION FROM THE BENCH, FROM THE JURY BOX, WHATEVER? I WILL TELL YOU A PERSONAL STORY. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM A CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYER...
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PRACTICE. THEY'RE GOING TO CORPORATIONS. WHY THIS
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IS DISTURBING, IS AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN, 70% IN LAW FIRMS ARE THE SOLE OR PRINCIPAL WAGE EARNERS FOR THEIR
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FAMILY. MUCH LIKE WHITE MEN.
00:18:33
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THAT BECOMES CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. THEY ARE THE MONEYMAKER IN THE FAMILY. >> IT MAY BE THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE LAW FIRM IS ONE THAT IS NOT VERY CONGENIAL....
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OFF MORNING, NOON, AND NIGHT. SOME PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE A MORE BALANCED LIFE. THAT IS WHY GOVERNMENT JOBS, JOBS IN CORPORATIONS ARE MORE ATTRACTIVE TO...
00:19:43
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POSSIBILITY >> . >> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS, HAVING WOMEN OR NOT HAVING WOMEN THERE. ONCE AGAIN, THEY FRAMED THE QUESTION AS ONE OF FEAR. WHAT...
00:20:15
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THING AS WOMEN IS JUSTICE? DO WOMEN JUDGED DIFFERENTLY FROM MEN? LET ME START WITH YOU. >> I ASKED MY COLLEAGUES AT LUNCH THE OTHER DAY AND I SEE ONE...
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JUDGE SHAPIRO IS HERE WHO WAS THE FIRST WOMAN JUDGE IN PHILADELPHIA.
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I BELIEVE EARNESTLY THAT A JUDGE DOES NOT DECIDE A CASE ON THE BASIS OF CHROMOSOMES. IT MAY BE THAT WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PROCESS. WE MAY USE A DIFFERENT...
00:22:13
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BOOK THAT SAYS THAT WHILE WOMEN JUDGES AND DEMAND JUDGES DO NOT CONVICT DEFENDANTS DIFFERENTLY, BASED ON THE GENDER OF THE JUDGE, THAT THERE IS SOME
00:22:29
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SUPPORT FOR THE IDEA THAT WOMEN JUDGES TEND TO BE MORE CYNICAL AND CONVICT WOMEN DEFENDANTS AT A GREATER RATE THAN MEN JUDGES. >> THERE WAS ANOTHER STUDY...
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MOST IMPORTANT PIECE IS NOT WHETHER THE JUDGING IS DIFFERENT. WHAT IS HAPPENING WHEN YOU HAVE A MORE DIVERSE BENCH, IT IS THE WAY THE PUBLIC REGARDS...
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THE DAY, A WISE OLD MAN AND A WISE OLD WOMAN WILL REACH THE SAME JUDGMENT. AND I THINK THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE. BUT I THINK WHAT WAS JUST
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SAID ABOUT THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION AND ALSO WHAT WE BRING TO THE TABLE IN OUR MEETINGS WITH OTHER JUDGES, FOR ONE THING, I THINK WOMEN ON THE BENCH NOW...
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CASES COMPARED TO THE MALE STUDENTS? >> I THINK THE BIGGEST
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DIFFERENCE IS THEIR ASPIRATIONS. IF YOU SURVEY OUR STUDENTS, IT TURNS OUT
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THAT THE WOMEN STUDENTS MUCH MORE THAN THE MAN, THINK OF THEIR LAW DEGREE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING FOR OTHERS. THEY WANT TO GO INTO PUBLIC SERVICE...
00:26:24
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LESS LIKELY EVEN AT THAT EARLY STAGE OF THEIR CAREERS TO THINK OF THE LAW ADDS REGARDING ONLY PRIVATE INTERESTS AND TO WANT TO GO INTO LAW FIRMS OR INTO...
00:27:12
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ELSE WILL NOT? THAT A WOMAN SITTING ON THE COURT WILL IN FACT HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY TO COME DOWN ON SOMETHING OR DIFFER WAY TO APPROACH IT? >> I THINK...
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SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT PERSONALLY EXPERIENCING DISCRIMINATION CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND INTERMENT -- INTERPRET THE LAW. THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO DO SO....
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THEY HAD LEARNED FROM LISTENING TO HIM TALK ABOUT HIS LIFE IN THE LAW. >> IN THE LEAD BIDDER CASE YOU READ FROM THE VENTUREBENCH YOUR OPINION. >> I SUMMARIZED...
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FEEL THAT SOMEONE ELSE COULD NOT. >> THREE OF MY COLLEAGUES JOIN ME IN THAT THE SAID. THAT DISSENT
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WAS PITCHED TO
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CONGRESS, TO BE FRANK. MY COLLEAGUES DID NOT UNDERSTAND -- IN THE COURSE OF TIME THEY WILL BECOME BETTER EDUCATED. BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT KNOW WHAT...
00:29:39
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SHE STARTED OUT WITH THE SAME SALARY AS HER MALE PEERS. OVER TIME, SHE SLIPPED IN COMPARISON TO THE MAN. ONE DAY, SHE WOKE UP AND SAID, I THINK THAT I...
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TO ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE PASSION WITH WHICH SOMEONE CAN ADVOCATE IF THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS...
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EYE WITH WHICH THE MY JUDGE IT IF THEY ARE COMING TO THE TABLE WITH A PERSONAL APPRECIATION. ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES FOR WOMEN ADVOCATES, WOMEN LAWYERS,...
00:34:40
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A COMPELLING STORY, I THINK THAT WOULD-BE QUICKLY COMMENTED ON. IF THE JUDGE
00:34:51
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BEGAN TO TEAR UP OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. I KNOW IN TERMS OF JUDGING I WAS TELLING SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES WHEN I HEAR THE DEFENDANT SAY THAT HE...
00:36:36
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WORK IN PROGRESS. I HAVE SEEN IT AS SOMETHING TO WORK ON, NOT AS SOMETHING STATIC. AS THE 10 COMMANDMENTS COMING DOWN FROM THE MOUND. THAT IS BECAUSE...
00:37:31
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OF THIS CONSTITUTION AND
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I THINK THIS PLACE THIS BLAZE THAT SOME MARVELOUSLY, IS THAT
00:37:38
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OVER THE YEARS, THIS CONCEPT OF WE THE PEOPLE THAT WAS ONCE A VERY ELITE GROUP HAS BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE. SO PEOPLE WHO WERE ONCE HELD IN HUMAN BONDAGE...
00:40:08
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TIME THAT THE 14TH AMENDMENT WAS ALLOWED TO APPLY TO WOMEN? >>
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THAT WAS 1971. THERE HAD BEEN ARGUMENTS OVER
00:40:18
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THE YEARS. 1971 WAS THE TURNING POINT YEAR IN THE SUPREME COURT WHEN THEY FOUND A LAW DIFFERENTIATED ON THE BASIS OF GENDER UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE...
00:40:33
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AGAINST WOMEN. IT WAS A VERY SIMPLE LAW. IT WAS FROM THE STATE OF IDAHO AND THE TEXT READ AS BETWEEN PERSONS, EQUALLY ENTITLED TO ADMINISTER A DECEDENT'S...
00:41:52
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CHANGE. WE GO ABOUT IT CHANGES. JUST GO BACK TO 1776. TO 1787. HAD WOMAN HAD A HAND IN WRITING THE CONSTITUTION, WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENCE?...
00:42:32
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GROUP AND SOME OF THEM -- IT WOULD BE ASTONISHING IN THE U.S. THAT IS IT IS HARD FOR A WOMAN TO GET IN THE DOOR. ONCE SHE GETS IN AND PEOPLE SEE WHAT...
00:45:29
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LEGAL PROFESSION. WHAT ARE THE ISSUES? WHAT IS THE BIG -- WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN NEXT? WHAT DO WOMEN HAVE TO ACCOMPLISH IN THIS PROFESSION? >>...
00:46:04
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EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR WOMEN TO RISE TO THE TOP OF THEM AND I DO NOT THINK WE'RE THERE YET. WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE IN ON PROFITS AND GOVERNMENT. THE PROBLEMS...
00:46:58
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IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FEEL THAT WOMEN, WHEN THEY GET TO THE TOP OF THESE POSITIONS, BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN ARTICULATE THESE PERSPECTIVES THAT COME...
00:47:15
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THAT IF THEY ARGUE PASSIONATELY THEY WILL BE CALLED SHRILLER STRIDENT AND THEREFORE THEY HOLD BACK. IT IS MORE IMPORTANT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT AS WOMEN...
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I NOT ONLY FOCUSING OR HIGHLIGHTING WOMEN AND OTHER SEGMENTS OF SOCIETY AND HOW THEY DEVELOP, PERHAPS NOT ALWAYS ACCENTUATING THE DIFFERENCES AND REALLY...
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THEN DUE TO AND
00:50:14
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EDITING OVERSIGHT, THE PAPER MISREPORTED THE GENDER INCORRECTLY. JENE IS A WOMAN. >> I HOPE YOU FRAMED THAT. >> IT IS OUTSIDE MY CHAMBERS. >> I AM INTERESTED...
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CASES, JURORS ARE ASKED BEFORE THE
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CASE BEGINS, WHETHER THEY OPPOSED -- THEY OPPOSE THE DEATH PENALTY IN PRINCIPLE. IF THEY ARE THEY
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ARE EXCLUDED FROM PARTICIPATION IN THE JURY. IT TURNS OUT THAT STUDIES SHOW WOMEN AND PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE SYSTEMATICALLY MORE LIKELY TO OPPOSE THE DEATH...
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BE NO DEATH PENALTY. THAT DOES NOT DISQUALIFY YOU. THE -- AS YOU KNOW, THE DEATH PENALTY BUSINESS IN OUR COURT, YOU AS A REPORTER MAY APPRECIATE THIS....
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BELIEVE THAT THE CONSTITUTION IS AN EVOLVING DOCUMENT
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AND ABOLITION HAS BROUGHT MORE PROTECTION AND RIGHTS TO WOMEN, DOESN'T FOLLOW THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN A STRICT CONSTRUCTIONIST VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION...
00:54:53
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INVOLVING A
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POLICE SURVEILLANCE ON THE TOP OF ROOFS TO MEASURE THE HEAT. IF YOU ARE GROWING MARIJUANA THE LIGHTS WILL BE VERY STRONG. THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER THE...
00:56:52
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QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO THEM ONCE THEY GRADUATE FROM LAW SCHOOLS AND ENTER THE WORKING WORLD? WE GO
00:57:00
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BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW INSTITUTIONS NEED THE CHANGE IN ORDER
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TO ACCOMMODATE WOMEN AND THEIR FAMILY LIVES AND THEIR VARIOUS ASPIRATIONS AND INTERESTS. >> THE PHRASE LEAKY PIPELINE IS ONE I HAVE SEEN USED A LOT....
00:57:32
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WOMEN GO VOLUNTARILY DOWN SOME PATHS AND NOT OTHERS. THERE ARE CERTAIN INSTITUTIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE WOMEN AND THEIR...
00:57:55
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AND IN LAW FIRMS. >> AND BETTER AT THE FEDERAL JUDICIARY THAN THE STATE. >> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 18 STATES WITH
00:58:06
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WOMEN AS CHIEF JUDGE. >> THERE HAS BEEN A BIT OF A CHANGE AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE NUMBERS OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN LAWYERS ARE NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD BE. ...
00:58:17
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INTERESTED IN ATTRACTING YOUNG AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN AND MEN TO SCHOOL. I NEVER MET
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A LAWYER UNTIL IT WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AND THAT TENDS TO BE TRUE FOR MANY AFRICAN-AMERICANS. IF YOU TAKE A YOUNG BRIGHT WOMAN OF ANY
00:58:31
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RACE COME OUT IF THIS WAS 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO, SHE MIGHT BE ENCOURAGED BECOME A TEACHER OR NURSE. NOW SHE WOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO BE A LAWYER. THE WAY...
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I ASK BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE
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OF AT LEAST IN
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THE STUDENTS' MINDS, YOUNG LAWYERS MINDS, OF MENTORS. THAT HELPS A GREAT DEAL. >> I NEVER HAD A WOMAN AS A TEACHER.
00:59:30
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WHEN I STARTED IN A LOT TEACHING BUSINESS, IN 19 --
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1963, THERE WERE LESS THAN 20 WOMEN IN TENURE TRACK POSITIONS IN LAW SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. FROM NORTH
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TO SOUTH, EAST TO WEST. I THINK I WAS NO. 18. >> THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD BE A NUMBER. >> OR EVEN -- SOMEONE JUST GAVE ME AN AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A WOMAN...
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THAT WAS IN 1934. SHE WAS
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THE ONLY ONE DURING HER TIME. THE FIRST WOMAN EVER POINTED TO A FEDERAL TRIAL BENCH WAS APPOINTED BY PRESIDENT TRUMAN IN 1949. AND IT IS ALSO RECENT....
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THERE ARE A GOOD NUMBER. >>
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WHAT ABOUT CLERKS? >> CORKS ARE DOWN. THE NUMBERS WHICH I GOT FROM JUSTICE GINSBURG, WONDER 17 WOMEN -- 117 MEN AND 26 WOMEN HAD ARGUED BEFORE THE SUPREME...
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TIME LOW, THE NUMBER
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OF WOMEN WHO WERE LAW CLERKS. SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WERE SHOCKED WHEN THEY REALIZE THAT. I DO NOT THINK THERE WILL BE A REPEAT OF THAT. THERE WERE SOMETHING...
01:03:04
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QUESTION IS FOR ANYONE ON THE PANEL. THE 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS A LANDMARK ELECTION WITH AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN, A WOMAN VYING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC...
01:03:25
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WONDERING WHAT WOULD IT MEAN FOR AN IMPACT ON WOMEN IF HILLARY WAS TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY AND WHAT WOULD A WOMAN PRESIDENT BRING TO THE TABLE? >> I THINK...
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LEADERS, THEIR WHOLE POINT ALL LONG AS WE BELONG IN THERE TOGETHER. IT WAS NOT THEM OR US. WE SHOULD DO THIS TOGETHER AND WE ARE NOW IN THIS WHO GOES...
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NOT THEIR DOG IN THE FIGHT. WHAT IT WOULD BE A BLACK MAN FIRST OR A WOMAN FIRST. THAT IS REVEALING WHERE WE ARE IN OUR PAST THAT WE THINK OF IT AS --...
01:06:28
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OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE WOMEN HAVE BETTER REPRESENTATION IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION THAN HERE OR IS THE U.S. AT THE CUTTING EDGE GLOBALLY? >> THE U.S. STARTED...
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MY EXPERIENCE YEARS AGO IN
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1961 AND 1962. WHEN I WAS IN SWEDEN, TO OBSERVE THEIR
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LEGAL SYSTEM, AND I MARVELLED. THEN THERE WERE 25% OF LAW STUDENTS WERE WOMEN. THE BENCH WAS HEAVILY WOMEN. AS IS TRUE IN MANY PLACES IN EUROPE TODAY....
01:08:52
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TWO GUYS. WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE COULD STAND TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE. AT THE SAME TIME WE DO NOT WANT TO COME OFF AS OVERLY EMOTIONAL AS YOU WERE SPEAKING...
01:09:05
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IS ANY ADVICE THAT YOU HAVE ON THAT SUBJECT? >> GREAT QUESTION. >> STRONG AND ASSERTIVE IN MOOT COURT. >> PRACTICE. >> DO NOT USE YOUR NOTES. >> IT WILL...
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YOU ARE PREPARED AND OVER PREPARED TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BORN TO TALK ABOUT AND PEOPLE CAN FEEL YOUR PASSION. THAT IS
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FINE. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT PEOPLE SAY IN THE COURT. IT MATTERS
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WHAT THEY FEEL FROM
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YOU AFTERWARDS. >> THE SUCCESS FOR ALL LAWYERS
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IS NOT TO BE SOMEONE ELSE. YOUNG WOMAN TRIED TO MIMIC MAN. AND IT DOES NOT WORK. THE IDEA IS TO BE NATURAL AND BE YOURSELF. AND THE SUCCESS COMES AFTER...
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THAT ARGUING CASES FOR ME, THE STYLE WAS CLEAR WHEN I HAD TO BE. I HAD TO BE A GOOD TEACHER. I KNEW EVER SO MUCH MORE ABOUT THE CASE THEN THE JUDGE DID....
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SHOWING PROPER RESPECT FOR THE JUDGE. A LITTLE BIT LIKE BEING A GRADE SCHOOL TEACHER. [LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE] AND WE ARE FULLY EXPECTING TO SEE YOU UP THERE...
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