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THIS SOJOURNER TRUTH MEETS THE GREAT EMANCIPATOR, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, THEY MEET AS EQUALS. HE IS GRACIOUS TO HER. HE SIGNS HER BOOK. SHE SAYS SOMETHING...

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BOOK IS HOW LITTLE DIFFERENCE IT HAS MADE ON THE WAY PEOPLE THINK ABOUT SOJOURNER TRUTH. >> Host: HOW LITTLE THE BOOK -- - THE DIFFERENCE THE BOOK HAS...

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IT'S SCHOLARLY. AND THE BEAUTY OF SYMBOLIC POLITICS, THAT IS OF PEOPLE YOU CAN KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS ONE LITTLE

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FORb I A WOMAN?WOMA AND AIN'T I WOMAN, WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY,

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YOUR RESEARCH METHODS?ME >> Guest: PROBABLY TOO LARGE UNCOMMON RESEARCH METHODS. ACTUALLY ONE IS NOT UNCOMMON, AND THAT IS TO GO TO DIFFERENT ARCHIVES...

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WAS

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WORKED IN AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDIES AND KNEW A LOT OF RELIGIOUS HISTORY. >> Host: AND WHAT ROLE

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BE AN EX-SLAVE.

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DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS RACED AND THEY DEVELOP WITHIN FAMILIES AND THEY NOT BE RELATED BUYIOLOGICAL AND ATTACHMENT AND GRIEF DO NOT STOP STO AT SOCIAL...

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ACCEPTED UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT YOU WOULD NOT BUILD YOUR ANALYSIS ON ANYTHING THAT WASN'T REALLY CONCRETE. SO YOU COULDN'T ACCESS ANYTHING THAT WASN'T...

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HOWEVER, IN THE NARRATIVE SHE DICTATED YEARS LATER IN NORTHAMPTON -- SHE SAYS THINGS THAT GO AROUND LIKE THIS. OTHER PEOPLE SAID TO ME WHAT DARLENE CLARK-HEINE...

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JANUARY OF 1977. SO SOMETIMES

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I KNOW ABOUT IT WAS PUBLISHED. IT WAS PUBLISHED IN 1976.

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IN 1976. IT ACTUALLY CAME OUT AT THE TIME THAT RUFUS

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AND I WAS DRIVING WITH A FRIEND FROM CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS, DOWN TO ATLANTIC CITY IN A VOLKSWAGEN WITH NO HEAT AND A HOLE IN THE FLOOR, AND IT WAS...

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BROWN, THE KANSAS OF THE QUINTESSENTIAL FREE STATE. AND SOME OF THEM WENT UP THE MISSISSIPPI. MANY OF THEM ONLY GOT AS FAR AS ONLY AS ST. LOUIS....

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NOW. HE WAS AN ACTIVIST IN LOUISIANA, I THINK. AND HE WAS TALKING TO HENRY ADAMS, WHO'S ONE OF THE CENTRAL FIGURES IN THE BOOK ABOUT THE VIOLENCE,...

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LOOK! SO, FOR INSTANCE -- AND BEING BELIEVED AS A SCHOLAR. SO, FOR INSTANCE, A SCENE IN FREDERICK DOUGLASS', MY BONDAGE AND MY FRIENDEEDOM, HE TALKS...

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ALREADY, THAT DOESN'T CONVEY SCHOLARLY MASTERY. SO ONE OF MY GRADUATE STUDENTS WAS WORKING ON THE DOMESTIC SLAVE TRADE AND WENT DOWN TO NEW ORLEANS AND...

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Host: AND WHEN DID YOU

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YOU ASK MY HUSBAND WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING, OF COURSE, AND IS NEVER WRONG -- IF YOU ASK MY HUSBAND, I DECIDED A LONG TIME AGO. I WAS AN UNDERGRADUATE...

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THE C I GOT IN SCULPTURE. I COME FROM AN ACADEMIC FAMILY. IT WAS JUST EASIER TO BE AN ACADEMIC. I DIDN'T HAVE WORK TO BE AN ACADEMIC. I MEAN, I WORKED,...

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THEIR 70th WEDDING

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ARE SMART PEOPLE. THEY ARE LOVABLE PEOPLE. THEY ARE LIBERAL AND THEY STAYED LIBERAL. AND THEY

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INDEPENDENT, WHICH THE OLDER I GET, THE MORE GRATEFUL I AM. >> Host: ANY BROTHERS OR SISTERS. >> Guest: I DON'T. I HAD A BROTHER WHO DIED AS A VERY...

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TOGETHER. >> Host: YOU SAID YOU WERE MARRIED? >> Guest:. >> Host: HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN

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TWICE. >> Host: ANY CHILDREN? >> Guest: I DON'T HAVE ANY BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN. I HAVE TWO-STEP SONS. THE OLDER ONE LIVES IN OREGON WHO HAS AN COMPUTER...

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PARIS. I THINK

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FRENCH SAXOPHONIST. >> Host: I THINK WE HAVE -- WE JUST SHOWED A PICTURE OF YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND ON VACATION. >> Guest: YES. >> Host: SOMEPLACE. HOW LONG...

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YES.

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LUCKY. I

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BEEN SO MUCH IN YOUR FACE DISCRIMINATION, THOUGH, I CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE I REALLY DID FACE THAT, ONE, WHEN I WAS A JUNIOR...

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JUST

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A PROFESSOR ANYWHERE, I WOULD LOVE BEING A PROFESSOR AT PRINCETON. PRINCETON -- IT'S A WONDERFUL INTELLECTUAL COMMUNITY BUT LIFE IN THE UNITED STATES...

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SAY THAT MY FRIEND AND

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IS PUBLISHING A BOOK OF MANY AUTOBIOGRAPHIES

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HISTORIANS.

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HAD TO DO THIS JOB FOR ANYTHING ELSE. I NEVER

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PARENTS, TOO, BECAUSE I NEVER HAD TO

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FIRST IT'S -- OKAY, IT'S A BRILLIANT BOOK, I ADMIT IT. AS

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YOU DON'T READ THE BRILLIANT

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FLIPPING ON THE CHANNEL I SAW YOU ON TV AND I WANTED TO COMMENT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE OPENED

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DIGGING INTO OUR HISTORY AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SO MUCH OUT THERE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT I WAS ABLE TO FLIP THE CHANNEL AND SEE YOU AND TO KNOW...

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TRY TO BE REAL BRIEF. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THE FACT

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PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF -- I'M A YOUNG AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. I

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OF WHAT YOU HAVE DOCUMENTED HAS EVER BEEN TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOL CURRICULUM AS IT HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO US ABOUT THE JEWISH HISTORICAL ASPECT OF WHAT TOOK...

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AGITATE. THE MATERIAL EXISTS. YOU'VE SEEN MY BOOK, WHICH IS A BOOK THAT'S VERY EASY FOR YOU TO READ, TO PUT YOUR HANDS ON FOR SCHOOL

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OTHERS, SO THERE'S NO DEARTH OF MATERIALS. IN NEW JERSEY, WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED THE AMISTAD ACT SO THAT HAS TO BE TAUGHT ALONG WITH THE HOLOCAUST. IT...

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OF POVERTY AND ACCORDING TO U.S. CENSUS BUREAU AND THE CDC, THESE ARE CURRENT STATISTICS THAT, YOU KNOW, BLACK CHILDREN IN MARRIED COUPLE FAMILIES ARE...

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CHILDREN ARE GROWING UP IN SINGLE-FAMILY -- NO MARRIAGE. AND ALSO STDs. THE SAD STATE OF HIT, AND YOU GROWING UP WITHOUT FATHERS HAVE A HIRE INCIDENTS...

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FROM COLLEGE AND I'LL

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ALL MY

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Caller: AND START TO MAKE THE DECISION WHERE WHETHER I WANT TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL

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Guest: YEAH. >> Caller: I

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OF ENVIRONMENT, SHARING MY KNOWLEDGE. >> Guest:

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ASKING TWO

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WRITING, WHICHEVER YOU WANT. IT'S TOO LABORIOUS TO TRY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL TO WORK THROUGH BY YOURSELF. COURSES EXIST IN COMMUNITY COLLEGES AND FOUR-YEAR...

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HAPPENED TO ME? >>

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KNOW HOW PEOPLE

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YOU REALLY, REALLY CRAZY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE BACK DOOR, IF YOU CAN'T VOTE, IF PEOPLE LOOK AT YOU AND DISMISS YOU AND, YOU KNOW, THAT...

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EASY TO MAKE

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Host: NEXT CALL, PHILADELPHIA, GO AHEAD. >> Caller: GOOD MORNING. I'M ENJOYING THE SHOW? >> Guest: THANK YOU. >> Caller: MY QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY...

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YEAH. >> Caller: YOU DO

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BLACK PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE A CHOICE BETWEEN BARACK OBAMA AND

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Guest: YEAH, GOOD QUESTION. SO ACTUALLY IT'S TWO QUESTIONS. IT'S BARACK OBAMA AND HILLARY. IT'S SHIRLEY CHISHOLM AND IT'S SOJOURNER TRUTH. >> Host: UH-HUH?...

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SOJOURNER TRUTH AND SAY FIRST THAT SOJOURNER TRUTH WAS NOT THE ONLY BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS IN THE ABOLITIONIST RIGHTS

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PRETTY MUCH WITH

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JOSEPH, MISSOURI. HELLO. >> Caller: AH, YES. I WAS JUST CALLING TO SEE NO. 1 I ENJOY YOUR PROGRAM. AND I'M SORT OF ELATED, I WAS PANNING AND I SAW YOU...

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HAVE SO MANY FAMILIES THAT ARE BASICALLY

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Caller: WHAT I WANTED

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JERSEY, SO THESE ISSUES

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AFTER ELECTION. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK BARACK OBAMA'S CANDIDACY IS SO PROMISING IS THAT HE DOES HAVE A BACKGROUND IN CHICAGO DEALING WITH...

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SITUATION. IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHERE YOU WERE, WHO'S AROUND YOU, AND WHAT YOUR FAMILY WAS. THERE'S JUST TOO MANY VARIABLES TO SAY, THIS IS THE ANSWER....

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AMERICA? >> Guest: THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. AND ONE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT IT SIMPLY ISN'T POSSIBLE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 36, 38 MILLION PEOPLE IN A COUNTRY...

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NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE THAN IT IS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S BAD GOING ON IN YOUR OWN HOUSE. AND ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK IS WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WRITE...

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ARTWORK, AS IN FICTION, YOU DON'T HAVE

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FROM THE 20th AND 21st CENTURY, BUT IN

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ON THE WEB OR IF A PLANT IS GONE TO TOWN GET IT, LOOK AT THAT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. I GO DOWN TO THE TREADMILL. HAVE SOME BREAKFAST....

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HERE. I DON'T KNOW OF THAT IS REALLY THE CASE BUT THAT CERTAINLY IS THE WAY IT DEALS. I HAVE ALWAYS COMPOSED ON THE KEYBOARD. ALWAYS FROM THE TIME I...

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WILL SEND ME -- HELLO, THIS IS A ROW, WHO IS A VERY FRIENDLY CAT. HE SPEAKS GERMANY ACTUALLY. AND HE LIKES TO WRITE. SO HE WILL SEND ME BACK HARD COPY...

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AND THEY WILL E-MAIL IT TO ME, AND THAT HAS BEEN A LIFESAVER. THAT IS THE REASON I CAN WORK HERE. I SHOULD SAY ALSO THAT THE WORLD WIDE WEB IS VERY HELPFUL....

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TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT HIS LIFE WAS AND HOW THE COMMUNIST PARTY LED HIM OR HELP HIM DO THE THINGS HE WANTED TO DO TO BREAK DOWN WHITES OF PRIVACY IN GEORGIA...

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WHY I LIKE HIM SO MUCH. BECAUSE HE SHOWED HOW A PERSON WITH ALMOST NO FORMAL EDUCATION, VIRTUALLY NON, COULD LOOK AT THE WORLD AROUND HIM, FIGURE OUT...

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HUDSON AND ACTUALLY TALKING THROUGH? >> Guest: TALKING THROUGH WITH, THE TALKING PART IS

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THAT AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO THE READER IN MY INTRODUCTION HOW THIS TEXT GOT TO BE THE WAY IT IS. WHEREAS, READING THE NARRATIVE OF A SOJOURNER TRUTH...

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THE STORY OF A LIVING COMMUNISTS ISN'T ALL THAT

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SELL WELL? >> Guest: IS OKAY, THAT WASN'T THE PROBLEM, IT WAS GETTING IT PICK IT PICKED UP BECAUSE EDITORS BEEN SUPERMARKET WOULD BE. THE BOOK THAT CAME...

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BUT NATE SHOT IN THE BOOK, HE IS NOT MUCH OF A HEART STRING A TIGER TO TELL THE TRUTH BUT HE IS A LITTLE BETTER AT THE HUDSON. HUDSON STANDS UP AND TELLS...

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GENERATION ARE ARCHIVING THEIR PAPERS SO FOR INSTANCE MINE ARE AT THE DUKE UNIVERSITY LIBRARY. OTHERS IN MY GENERATION AND THE GENERATIONS A LITTLE...

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THEM. MALCOLM DID NOT MINCE WORDS WHEN HE CRITICIZED RACISM AND OUR COUNTRY. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF BOOKS ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER KING AVAILABLE FOR YOUNG...

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YOU SEND YOU WOULD BELIEVE THEM IF THEY TOLD YOU. >> Host:

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THINK AMERICA WILL EVER REACH THE POINT WHERE IF YOU TOLD

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BELIEVE ME. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE CALLING IN WHO I THINK TO BELIEVE

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Host: THIS E-MAIL SAYS, THE U.S. PRIDES ITSELF ON BEING A RELIGIOUS NATION. HOWEVER, AS THE PAST OF THIS TIP OF THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, THIS MEANT MR....

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A KIND OF WITCHCRAFT THAT THE BELIEF IN RACE IS WITCHCRAFT. AND THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN DIVIDE PEOPLE BY RACE, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISAPPROVING

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18th CENTURY. AND NOBODY HAS EVER AGREED ON HOW MANY RACES THERE ARE AND HOW YOU DECIDE. IT'S CLEAR AND IT HAS BEEN CLEAR FOR A LONG TIME THAT RACE...

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RENEWED OPTIMISM ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. I HAVE A FIVE YEAR-OLD SON AND I WANT HIM TO BE A THRIVING PRODUCTIVE MAIL IN THE NEXT YEARS TO, OR DECADES TO...

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POET THAT PREDATES PHYLLIS WHEATLEY, AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT CONDOLEEZZA RICE? >> Guest: YOU DO PUT ME ON THE SPOT DON'T...

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REALLY SMART? THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A THRESHOLD, YOU HAVE TO GET OVER

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ASK YOU, WHEN I AM AROUND BLACK PEOPLE OR IN

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A CONNECTION LIKE AN INVISIBLE THREAD THAT ALL BLACK PEOPLE HAVE

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KNOW. YOU HAVE NOW PERHAPS SEEN IMAGES OF WHERE I WRITE, AND MAYBE I FEEL THAT CONNECTION TO THAT PLACE. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS THERE AND...

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CALL THE PROGRESS OF AREA, I HAVE A TINY CHAPTER CALLED THE PROGRESSIVE ERA BECAUSE IT WAS A SHORT TIME. WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW WAS THE ECONOMIC AND...

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PEOPLE. I WILL NEVER FINISH -- I FEEL LIKE I WILL NEVER FINISH THIS BOOK. I HAVE BEEN WRITING THIS BOOK FOR EVER. I WILL BE WRITING THIS BOOK FOR EVER....

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LONG. IT IS A U.S. HISTORY, A HISTORY OF WHAT WE NOW CALL WHITE PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES. AND THE BASIC POINT IS THAT IDEAS ABOUT WHITE MESS HAVE...

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GREAT ENLARGEMENT OF AMERICAN WHITE. WHAT WE ARE ENLARGING FROM WAS A KIND OF REGIME OF WHITENESS, THINKING ABOUT AMERICAN WHITENESS IN WHICH ALL BUT...

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PEOPLE WOULD, SAYING BASICALLY I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. SOMETIMES THEY WOULD SAY, YOU ARE WRITING THIS AS A BLACK PERSON? I WOULD GET UP ON MY...

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OVER THE WORLD DURING THE PERIODS WHEN CIVIL-RIGHTS WAS ACTIVE IN THE UNITED STATES. SOME SAY YOU TRAVELED ABROAD TO REDISCOVER AMERICA, WHAT BEING...

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A BOOK CALLED THE SPECIAL RAGE ABOUT GILBERT MORE.

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RALPH WALDO EMERSON WOULD POP UP 1 MILLION TIMES. THAT'S ALL. >> Host: IN THIS E-MAIL SAYS, IS A BLACK SOCIOLOGISTS FROM KANSAS ONE OF THE POINTS I USED...

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WERE BETTER OFF IN 1880 OR 8090 IN KANSAS THEN THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN LOUISIANA. >> Host: LOSS VEGAS, HELLO. TESSERACT HELLO? >> Guest: I AM A 60 SOMETHING...

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AM WHAT I WOULD CALL INDEPENDENT BUT EMBRACED REPUBLICAN IDEAS OF PRIMARILY FINANCIAL THINGS, NOT A SOCIAL AREAS. WHAT I AM ASKING, AND YOU KIND OF...

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THAT HAD ONE BIOLOGICAL PARENT AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND ANOTHER BUS WHITE

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PEOPLE OUT. TO THE POINT THAT IT NO LONGER HELPS TO SORT PEOPLE OUT, IT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE USEFUL. OR IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE USEFUL IN THAT...

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GOES NOWHERE, WE THINK AROUND IN CIRCLES BETWEEN IT IS IT SOMETHING

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IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER. WE GO AROUND AND AROUND. I WOULD TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE IDEAS ABOUT THE BEAUTY BE INHERENT, THAT IS BIOLOGICAL, AND THEN...

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THIS AS WELL. >> Host: SAN DIEGO, GO AHEAD. >> Caller: I'M FROM SAN DIEGO. I AM A VIETNAM ERA OF THAT. I WAS VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION...

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PAPER ON A. I WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN HER INTERPRETATION OR RELEVANCE OF THE JAMES BALDWIN AND CONCEPT TO CONDOLEEZZA RICE. COLIN POWELL AND NOW MR....

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THAT

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MUCH. MY MASTER'S IS IN A PRECOLONIAL AFRICAN HISTORY AND I FEEL THAT MUCH OF THE SAME KINDS, MY UNDERGRADUATE IS ANTHROPOLOGY, THE ANTHROPOLOGIST IN...

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HIGH VALUE, AND HIGH IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION. AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE EAGER FOR EDUCATION AT ONE TIME, BUT I THINK THAT MANY WERE DISCOURAGED WHEN EDUCATION...

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OH, DON'T

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SECOND QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU SEE

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OF AFRICA AND WHOSE CHILDREN ARE THE CHILDREN OF PEOPLE FROM THE CONTINENT OF AFRICA. THEY ARE LITERALLY AFRICAN-AMERICANS. BLACK I SEE AS A MUCH MORE...

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TO WRITE HIS DISSERTATION AND GET A JOB. THE OTHER OLDER PERSON FROM GHANA, I HAVE ALSO NEVER SPOKEN TO ABOUT GENERALTIES AND HE HAS A NEW WIFE AND...

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ART BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT

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BUT THE WOMAN IN

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GALLAGHER. BUT SHE IS WEARING THE OUTFIT OF A WHITE SLAVE FIGURE WHO WAS SO IMPORTANT IN 19th AND 20th CENTURY WESTERN ART AND PARTICULARLY FOR...

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CLASSICAL WAY OF WESTERN PAINTING. BUT AROUND THE EDGES ARE PARTS OF THE LIFE AND WORK OF A PERSON WHO WAS A GERMAN JEWISH POET, AND JEANETTE HAS ACTUALLY...

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AND SINCE MY

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NOW, I HAVE TO KEEP MY ART WITHIN THESE TINY LITTLE CORNERS, SO THIS FALL I ACTUALLY SNUCK UP UP TO PLATTSBURG STATE AND I TOOK ONE CLASS, A PRINT MAKING...

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PRESS AND YOU END UP WITH A -/aTEXTURE. SO THE TEXTURE HERE -- AND THIS WAS VERY FINE SO IT DOESN'T COME OUT SO WELL IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE TEXTURE...

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WHAT'S THE

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THE CURRENT WORK THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW OF HISTORIANS LOOKING AT THEIR OWN WORK? >> Guest: UH-HUH, HISTORIANS HAVE A NAME FOR THAT. IT'S CALLED

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HISTOROGRAPHY. THE IRAQ WAR HAS, OF COURSE, ENCOURAGED

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IMPERIALISM. AND ALSO ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND ABOUT RELIGION IN POLITICS. SO THESE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP AS HISTORIANS LOOK IN THE PAST, WHAT HAVE...

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PERSON WHO'S THE VICTIM, AND SUBMISSION AND OBEDIENCE PUT DOWN INDEPENDENCE AND THOUGHT AND AUTONOMY.. A PERSON WHO SUFFERS SOUL MURDER CAN NO LONGER...

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AND OBEDIENT. AND READING SLAVE NARRATIVES YOUOU COME ACROSS THIS SAME PATTERN OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO WHAT I FOUND MYSELF SEEING WAS MASTERS BEATING...

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HER OWN AUTHOR TOUR SO TO SPEAK. SO THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE. AND THEN A FRIEND OF HERS FOR THE 1876 CENTENNIAL OF THE UNITED STATES PUT TOGETHER A SCRAPBOOK...

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WHEN AM I GOING TO FINISH THIS

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NEED TO DO -- WHEN YOU LEARN ABOUT THIS BOOK AND YOU WILL LEARN ABOUT IT IF YOU GOOGLE IT, IT'LL BE ON

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LAMB'S

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WOULD SAY, WHY SHOULD I READ THIS BOOK? WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN THIS BOOK? WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO SAY IN THIS BOOK?OK HOW

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GET THEIR INFORMATION FROM NOT

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PRINCETON STUDENT?ST >> Host: WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE ON THE BOOK QUITTING AMERICA BY RANDALL

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AMERICA, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, I'M REALLY TIRED AND I'M GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.EL AND IF I'M RIGHT ABOUT THAT SURMISE, I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND...

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OF BLACK AND WHITE MEN AND WOMEN, 1939 TO '47,

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1939, IT WAS $460 FOR BLACK MEN AND IN 1947, IT WENT TO $1,279 BUT THEN YOU GO DOWN TO BLACK WOMEN IT WAS $246 FOR A 1939 AND ONLY $432 IN 1947? >> Guest:...

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MARRIED COUPLES MAKE MORE THAN JUST TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW,

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TWO ADULTS AND SEPARATE. IN TERMS OF HEART AND IN

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MUCH? >> Guest: THANK YOU. >> Caller: I JUST BOUGHT A HOME -- I'VE BEEN MARRIED SIX YEARS AND THIS IS MY FIRST HOME AND I WANT

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WANT TO T ASK YOU BUT

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CONNIE IS HOLDING ACTUALLY THE VERSION THAT IS SOLD FOR CLASSROOM USE. I ACTUALLY PREFER THE HARD COVER, AND I THINK THEY COST THE SAME. BUT THE HARD...

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TREES. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU EVER READEA THE BOOK "TRUTH" WHICH WAS A FICTIONALIZED BIOGRAPHY OF SOJOURNER TRUTH.TR IT'S WRITTEN TO REFERENCE BACK...

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YEAH I HAVE BEEN TO NORTHAMPTON TO SEE THE STATUE. I WORKED FOR A WHILE WITH HISTORIC NORTHAMPTON, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE COMMEMORATION OF...

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THE SUBSTANCE OF MYSELF. SOJOURNER TRUTH DID AMAZING THINGS FOR PROPERTY OWNER WHO

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THE OLDEST OF MY FATHER --

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LEFT.FT I JUST WANT TO SAY -- I TALKED

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IS UNIQUE, BUT THE THING IS MY SONS HAVE MISSED OUT SO MUCH AND THERE'S A REASON WHY I SEE THAT WE AS BLACKS, OUR KIDS -- WE'RE LOSING OUR KIDS BECAUSE...

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LIGHT SKINNED WE HAVE DIVISION IN OUR RACE? >> Guest: WELL, IT'S HARD NOT TO T AGREE WITH HER, YES. I'M SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT HER SONS. THE IDEA OF PEOPLE...

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BLACKS

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Guest: I COULDN'T AGREE WITH HER MORE. MY BOOK IS CALLED SOJOURNER TRUTH, A LIFE, A SYMBOL SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE. WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO...

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FOR USING AND/OR STEPPING BACK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN ORDER TO WRITE OBJECTIVELY AND WITH INTELLECTUAL HUMILITY? >> Guest: THAT'S WHAT RESEARCH...

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SORRY, WHAT. >> Caller:

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YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THE

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THAT. I THINK WE NEED BLACK HISTORY MONTH, AND WE WILL

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TERM OR A GROUP OR A CONCEPT OR SYMBOL

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ONCE WE FORGET MAYBE THEN WE WON'T NEED IT. PEOPLE COMPLAIN THAT BLACK HISTORY MONTH HAS BECOME SO COMMERCIALIZED. I SAY THAT MEANS IT'S BEEN AMERICANIZED....

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NAME BEING

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WELL. TO FOLLOW UP ON THE POINT THAT WAS JUST MADE BY THE PREVIOUS CALLER ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY MONTH? >> Guest: UH-HUH....

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REFER THAT TO THAT STATEMENT. I MEAN, ONE OF THE SUBJECTS OF THE BARNETT AIDEN AFRICAN-AMERICAN COLLECTION FROM WASHINGTON, D.C.? >> Guest: UH-HUH. >>...

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OF THE ARTISTS WHO WERE REPRESENTED IN THAT COLLECTION?? >> Host: WHAT IS

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I THINK, THE

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THE '40s? >> Guest: NO, I DON'T KNOW THE HE

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HISTORIANS. I USED

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BEARDAN'S BOOK ON AFRICAN-AMERICAN ARTISTS. I USED BOOKS BY RICHARD POWELL AND SO FORTH. SO I LET OTHER ART HISTORIANS TELL ME WHAT ART HAD ALREADY...

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BE MORE ACADEMIC AND NOT HAVE SNAP

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LIKE BLACK PEOPLE --

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PEOPLE OR ORAL HISTORY AND WE DON'T WRITE

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WRITE THINGS DOWN. ALSO, I PUT MY COUSIN THROUGH -- MY NIECE I SHOULD SAY THROUGH LAW SCHOOL AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN? >> Guest: UH-HUH. >> Caller:...

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PRIMARY AND SECONDARY COURSES? >> Guest:

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GOOD. >> Caller: IT'S JUST AMAZING AND I'M LOVING IT.IT BUT

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Guest: SURE. >> Caller: WHEN I WAS A CHILD, DR. PAINTER, I WAS IN SEVENth OR EIGHTH GRADE. I WANT YOU TO ASK ME WHY I WOULD DO THIS. WHEN I WAS IN...

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SHOW AFRICANS WITH BONES BETWEEN THEIR NOSES

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SKIRTS, I WOULD ALWAYS SCOOT DOWN IN MY SEAT AND I WOULD JUST PRAY THE TEACHER WOULD TURN OFF THE PROJECTOR AND TURN OUT THE LIGHT. WHAT MADE ME DO THAT...

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AND PERPETUATING RACIAL THEN AND HE SAYS HOW DO YOU ENCOURAGE US ALL TO READ AND EMBRACE HISTORY, THE KIND OF HISTORY THAT YOU WRITE WITHOUT EMBARRASSING...

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PAINTERS IS RACISM ON OURSELVES.EL THERE'S BLACK ON BLACK CRIME.CR I

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MY SENSE FROM NEWARK

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IN NEWARK AND I WOULD EXPECT ALSO IN OTHER PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY.CO MOST OF THAT WORK GOES ON ON THE O GRASSROOTS LEVEL SO IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND....

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A BLACK GIRL, IT'S A CRIME. IF A BLACK BOY RAPES A BLACK BOY, IT'S A CRIME.IM IF A WHITE BOY RAPES A BLACK GIRL, IT'S A CRIME.E. AND SO ON AND SO...