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NEW WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING LAW. MR. GREENWALD, WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE AND WHY, IN YOUR
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OPINION, WERE THEY NECESSARY? >> Guest: WELL,
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| 00:00:10 |
Guest, -
I -- I THINK THEY ARE NOT ONLY UNNECESSARY BUT ACTUALLY QUITE DANGEROUS
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| 00:00:14 |
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AND, YOU KNOW, THE REASON WHY I THINK THEY'RE DANGEROUS IS THE UNDERLYING POINT HERE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN NOBODY IS OPPOSED TO EAVESDROPPING ON TERRORISTS...
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THE DEBATE IS WHETHER THE PRESIDENT OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO EAVESDROP ON CONVERSATIONS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS AND READ OUR E-MAILS IN COMPLETE SE CRESSY ...
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| 00:01:56 |
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DEVISED A SYSTEM WHEREBY COMMUNICATIONS WITH A UNITED STATES PERSON AS A TARGET PRIMARILY COMMUNICATIONS WITHIN THE
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| 00:02:04 |
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UNITED STATES BUT, ALSO, COMMUNICATIONS OVERSEAS IF THE U.S. PERSON IS A TARGET, ARE DRIVEN BY A WARRANT-TRIGGERED SYSTEM. COMMUNICATIONS INVOLVING FOREIGN...
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| 00:04:46 |
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WORK, A BIG CHUNK IS PURELY FOREIGN TO FOREIGN CONVERSATION. BY THE WAY, I THINK ALL AGREE IT IS INSANE TO HAVE A PERSON IN KA BULL TALKING TO A PERSON...
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BE COMMUNICATING WITH SOMEBODY IN THE UNITED STATES. LOOK, IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN HAVING A CRIMINAL LAW ENFORCEMENT WARRANT. YOU...
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| 00:06:00 |
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1, THEY TRY AND EXPLOIT THE FEAR
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| 00:06:02 |
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OF AMERICANS BY RATCHETING UP THE TALK OF TERRORISM AND SAYING UNLESS YOU GIVE THE POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT, YOU WILL BE KILLED BY TERRORISTS. THE SECOND...
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| 00:06:12 |
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PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON, THAT'S TRUE WITH IRAQ, TORTURE AND WITH THE ANSWER HE JUST GAVE ABOUT WHAT THIS LAW DOES. YOU ASKED HIM, DOES THIS...
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| 00:08:03 |
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THAT'S ALL WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE DEBATE THE LAST FEW YEARS. THE QUESTION
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IS, OH, NSA, RECORDS EVERY INTERNATIONAL CONVERSATION. EVERY SINGLE ONE. AND THEY, ALSO, HEAR EVERY DOMESTIC CALL THAT GOES OVER WIRES. AND -- WIRELESS....
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| 00:09:21 |
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CRITICAL POINT, WHAT HAS GONE ON SINCE THE BUSH PRESIDENCY HAS
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| 00:09:26 |
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BEEN DONE VIRTUALLY BEHIND AN IMPENETRABLE WAL OF SECRECY. JOHN CLOONEY SAID WHEN HE AND ASHCROFT DISCOVERED IN '74 WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS SO PATENTSLY...
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| 00:10:35 |
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HOUSE AND SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEES WERE INVOLVED IN THAT. THAT'S A FANGT. THERE IS NO DISPUTE ABOUT IT, NUMBER 1. WITH REGARD TO A NEW LAW, AS...
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| 00:13:13 |
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REICH.
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Caller, -
LIKE HITLER. DEVELOPED THE THIRD REICH THROUGH FEAR, INTIMIDATION AND LIES. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS THE WORST ADMINISTRATION. I'M 70 YEARS. THE WORST...
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| 00:14:03 |
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BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE AN ADEQUATE JOB, NOT PERFECT BUT ADEQUATE JOB OF COMMUNICATING. THE DIFFICULTY, [ INAUDIBLE ] -- AND MEDIA HOSTILITY, YOU...
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| 00:14:14 |
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DROWNED OUT. I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO TELL A CALLER WHO STANDS FOR THE PROPOSITION WE LIVE IN SOMETHING RESEMBLING THE THIRD RE ICH AND BUSH...
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| 00:15:24 |
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RIRVE KEN IS A
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| 00:15:25 |
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LAWYER WHO ALMOST ALWAYS DEFENDS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. I'M A CRITIC OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. BUT, LOOK AT WHAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S OWN LAWYERS...
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| 00:16:39 |
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HURT US. >> Guest: WELL, THE FOUNDERS OF THIS CURRENT TREE UNDERSTOOD THAT IF
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Caller, -
THE GOVERNMENT IS ABLE TO BREAK INTO OUR HOMES ANY
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| 00:16:47 |
Host, -
TIME THEY WANT OR
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Caller, -
READ ALL OF OUR LETTERS THAT WE BASICALLY WOULD LIVE IF A POSITION OF TYRANNY AND THEY REJECTED THE IDEA THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE ABLE TO INTRUDE...
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| 00:17:02 |
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VENEZUELA LIVE OR IN SAUDI ARABIA OR IN EGYPT, WHERE THE GOVERNMENT LISTENS IN AND MONITORS WHAT YOU'RE DOING. PRIVACY IS A FUNDAMENTAL VALUE IN...
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| 00:18:17 |
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REGIME GOVERNING INTERCEPTS MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, FOR THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO OPERATE. LET ME BE CLEAR AGAIN, WITH...
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| 00:18:30 |
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INTERCEPTION OF ALL COMMUNICATIONS. NOBODY IS SUGGESTING THAT. THAT IS NOT A SERIOUS PROPOSITION. INCIDENTALLY, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. WE HAVE...
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| 00:19:15 |
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MEAN A HORRIBLE
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| 00:19:17 |
Guest, -
WRONGDOING. THIS IS THE BUREAUCRATIC CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT ADD ON LIBERTY TO ALL THE JUDICIARY AND ROLE OF CONGRESS. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. LOOK, THERE...
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| 00:20:31 |
Host, -
GOVERNMENT IS SPYING ON US. BUT -- THAT'S -- IT'S
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Caller, -
ABOUT
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| 00:20:36 |
Caller, -
THE PRESIDENT'S SHIFT TO
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| 00:20:39 |
Caller, -
A
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| 00:20:40 |
Host, -
TYRANNICAL
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| 00:20:42 |
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DICTATORSHIP. THE NSA NEEDS TO PRESENT A DOCUMENT SAYING THAT SOMEBODY IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG OR THAT -- AT LEAST THEY THINK SO, TO A JUDGE AND HE...
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| 00:21:37 |
Host, -
KOREANS, CHINESE, RUSSIANS, THEY CAN BE PAKISTANI, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THESE PEOPLE COME INTO CONTACT
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| 00:21:43 |
Guest, -
WITH THE UNITED STATES. THEY WOULD BE, INSTEAD OF BEING SURVEILLED ENTIRELY WARRANTLESS, ENTIRELY DRIVEN BY THE PROCEDURES DEVELOPED IN THE EXECUTIVE...
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| 00:22:28 |
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LIKE OR DISLIKE ALBERTO GONZALES BUT LOOKING BEYOND ALBERTO GONZALES, THIS IS THE JOB OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. MIKE McCONNELL, THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL...
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| 00:22:40 |
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JOB? THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE? I MEAN THE SECRETARY OF COMMERCE? THIS IS THEIR JOB. YOU HAVE PEOPLE SIGNING AFFIDAVITS TESTING TO THE TRUTHFULNESS...
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| 00:23:55 |
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GONZALES DECIDING WHICH E-MAIL THROWS READING THROUGH, WHICH TELEPHONE CALLS THEY ARE LISTENING TO IN COMPLETE SECRECY WITH NOBODY KNOWING WHAT THEY...
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| 00:25:33 |
Guest, -
WHERE TRYING TO INVOKE TO LISTENERS GEORGE BUSH LATE AT NIGHT OR ALBERTO GONZALES ARE LISTENING TO CONVERSATIONS IS ABSURD. THEY DO NOTHING OF THE...
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| 00:25:47 |
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IF THEY DO OVERSTEP THE
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| 00:25:48 |
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LAW AND THEY DO LISTEN IN TO CONVERSATIONS OF U.S. CITIZENS THAT ARE NOT SUSPECTED TERRORISTS, ARE THERE ANY -- IS THERE ANY PUNISHMENT? >> Guest: WE...
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| 00:26:06 |
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AND TALKING ABOUT WHISTLEBLOIERS. LOOK THIS GOVERNMENT FUNDAMENTALLY IS ENCAPABLE OF CONDUCT OF LBJ OR
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| 00:26:18 |
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FDR. WE ARE INCAPABLE. THE WORST THING THAT'S REPORT SOD FAR INCABLENESS OR INCOMPETENCE AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY LEVEL. NOT ONE INSTANCE OF ANY...
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| 00:26:51 |
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IS NO REQUIREMENT IT BE REQUIRED TO TERRORISM. WILL YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THIS. >> Guest: OF COURSE, THAT IS CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. IT CAN BE ON A DRUG...
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| 00:27:09 |
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SO NOT BUSY
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| 00:27:11 |
Guest, -
PURR SEEING REAL THREATS REARE INTERESTED
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| 00:27:15 |
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IN INNOCENT CONVERSATION OF FOREIGNERS. AMERICANS, BY THE WAY YOU NEED A WARRANT FROM THE FISA COURT AS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN. >> Host: WE'LL LEAVE...
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| 00:27:23 |
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THERE LITTLE ROCK,
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ARKANSAS REPUBLICAN LINE THANKS FOR WAITING. >> Caller: THANK YOU, MR. RIVKIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING MR. GREENWALD, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING....
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| 00:27:43 |
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ABOUT A CAR. I THINK WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED
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| 00:27:47 |
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ABOUT, I KNOW MINE, IS COMING INTO MY HOME. YOU'VE GOT NO RIGHT COMING INTO MY HOME UNLESS A JUDGE DEEMS IT NECESSARY. I THINK IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL ...
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| 00:28:56 |
Host, -
THE PARTICULAR
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| 00:28:57 |
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RULES. IT WOULD NOT BE ON THE SAY-SO OF ALBERTO GONZALES OR MIKE McCONNELL, POINT NUMBER 1. NUMBER 2, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TARGET OF SURVEILLANCE...
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| 00:30:26 |
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NINE YEARS, REAGAN II AND -- WELL, REAGAN I, REAGAN II AND BUSH XVI. >> Host: YOU DID DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES? >> Guest: I DEALT WITH A LOT OF ISSUES....
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| 00:30:46 |
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DYING -- THE BEST GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS CARED ABOUT DOING PUBLIC GOOD AND THE WORST CARED ABOUT THEIR PENSION. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY SINISTER
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| 00:30:53 |
Host, -
FIGURE TRYING TO, YOU
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| 00:30:55 |
Guest, -
KNOW, INVADE OUR CIVIL LIBERTY. IT IS JUST NOT REAL. >> Guest: COULD I STRESS THAT BRIEFLY? IN THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION OF COURSE NUMEROUS HIGH OFFICIALS...
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| 00:31:19 |
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ABUSES THE ABUSES OF THE NIXON ADMINISTRATION BECAME KNOWN CONGRESS INVESTIGATED HOW THESE WERE BEING USED. EVERY ADMINISTRATION -- CULMINATING WITH...
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| 00:32:07 |
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CAUGHT OR [ INAUDIBLE ]. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BOTH
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| 00:32:10 |
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GENTLEMAN, FIRST THE ONE ON THE LEFT. IF THIS IS AN ILLEGAL THING DONE BY PRESIDENT BUSH, THE TEN CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS INCLUDING SENATOR DASCHLE,...
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| 00:33:11 |
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THE FACT THE BEHAVIOR WAS ILLEGAL. AND AGAIN, I DON'T
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| 00:33:13 |
Guest, -
WANT ANYONE TO TAKE MY WORD IT FOR. AGAIN, THE TWO JUDGES WHO HAVE LOOKED AT THIS CONDUCT HAVE SAID IT WAS ILLEGAL AND I WOULD ASK MR. RIVKIN, IT WASN'T...
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ASHCROFT. FOR WHATEVER REASON I'VE ACTUALLY WAIN SPECULATING WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED. WO PARTICULAR ASPECT OF HIS PROGRAM, WITH A NEW HEAD OF OFFICE...
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| 00:35:05 |
Guest, -
WE ALL HAVE BROTHERS AND
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| 00:35:07 |
Host, -
SISTERS NO MATTER WHAT COLOR YOU ARE. MY QUESTION, IS WITH THE AUTHORITY'S SXER EXCEPTION AND YOU ARE SAYING IT
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| 00:35:14 |
Host, -
IS PRESIDENT BUSH'S
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| 00:35:16 |
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FAULT, WILL THE AMENDMENT THAT'S A TITLE XVIII SECTION 2251 OR 2516, WILL THAT BE CHANGED RELATING TO MAIL FRAUD? THAT'S MY QUESTION. >> Host: CAN EITHER...
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| 00:35:50 |
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PRESIDENCY. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN A COUP OR ANY
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| 00:35:53 |
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STRIPPING OF ALL THE OFFICES OF THEIR POWERS. BUT, LET ME SAY THIS: NO ONE IS GOING TO LISTEN TO MY TELEPHONE CALL, NO ONE IS GOING TO READ
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| 00:36:01 |
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MY E-MAIL, OR ANYONE THAT I
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| 00:36:03 |
Caller, -
KNOW. BUT, IF WE HAD BEEN ON TOP OF THIS AND WE HAD LISTENED TO MOHAMMED ATTA -- >> Host: OOPS, CALLER, SORRY, THAT WAS MY FAULT. COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS,...
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THIS TO BOTH THE GENTLEMAN. I'M CALLING ON MY CELL PHONE THIS MORNING. AND
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| 00:36:41 |
Host, -
WITH THE WIRELESS
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| 00:36:42 |
Caller, -
TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE, DO I HAVE ANY
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| 00:36:45 |
Host, -
EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY? BECAUSE THERE COULD
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| 00:36:47 |
Caller, -
BE A 16-YEAR-OLD
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| 00:36:48 |
Host, -
HIGH SCHOOL KID ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME MONITORING MY TELEPHONE CALLS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT
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| 00:36:53 |
Caller, -
NOW. SO, WHAT EXPECTATION OF
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| 00:36:54 |
Host, -
PRIVACY DO I HAVE IN A
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| 00:36:56 |
Caller, -
WIRELESS SOCIETY? I'LL HANG UP AND LISTEN TO YOUR ANSWER. THANK YOU. >> Host: MR. GREENWALD -- I'M SORRY, MR. RIVKIN? >> Guest: NOT MUCH. FRANKLY...
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| 00:37:20 |
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REAMS OF DATA TO GET EASY CREDIT AND THAT GETS SHARED OUT, WE
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| 00:37:24 |
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SOMEHOW SEPT ALL THIS, EXCEPT FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, RECLUSIVE BUT, YET, WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH THE DO. -- GOVERNMENT,...
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| 00:38:39 |
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SUSPECTED TERRORIST UNDER THE FISA LAW. WE ALL WANT THAT AND HE HAD THAT POWER. THE FACT THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T LISTEN IN ON MOHAMMED ATTA, NOT BECAUSE...
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| 00:39:37 |
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WOULD NOT HAVE -- THE FISA COURT WAS VERY RESTRICTIVE. >> Guest: THEY NEVER REJECT ANY WARRANTS. >> Guest: THEY REJECT -- FORGIVE ME THEY REJECT PLENTY...
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| 00:39:52 |
Host, -
YOU FROM KATHLEEN IN ATHENS,
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| 00:39:55 |
Guest, -
OHIO. SHE GIVES IT TO YOU FIRST BUT WE'LL LET BOTH OF YOU ANSWER
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| 00:40:02 |
Guest, -
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IT: >> Guest: WHAT
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| 00:40:08 |
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THE STATUTE
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| 00:40:09 |
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DOES IS IT SAYS THAT THE PHONE COMPANIES ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH ANY ORDERS THE PRESIDENT GIVES TO TURN OVER DATA, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE A PROCESS...
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| 00:40:29 |
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DOESN'T DO, SAY FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS BROKEN THE LAW THE LAST SIX YEARS, THEY WILL BE IMMUNE BUT THE PRESIDENT SAID AND MIKE McCONNELL HAS SAID ONCE...
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| 00:41:31 |
Host, -
TO
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| 00:41:32 |
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MEET A COMMON THREAT. WHAT DO WE DO NOW? YOU MAY HATE GEORGE BUSH. SURELY YOU ARE ALLEGING PHONE COMPANIES IN COMPLYING WITH ADMINISTRATINGIVE GOVERNMENT...
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| 00:42:42 |
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VERACITY AT ALL. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW. WE KNOW THAT ALBERTO GONZALES HAS HIRED PEOPLE WHO
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| 00:42:48 |
Caller, -
ARE INFERIOR, WHO WERE NOT -- NOT THE BEST
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| 00:42:53 |
Host, -
QUALIFIED PEOPLE. SO, THEY HAVE PERVERTED THE CIVIL SERVICE
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| 00:42:57 |
Caller, -
SYSTEM. WE SHOULD HAVE THE BEST PEOPLE DOING THESE JOBS. IF THEY CONTRACT JOBS OUT LIKE WIRETAPPING, LIKE THEY'VE DONE IN IRAQ TO THIRD PARTIES, THERE'S...
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| 00:43:52 |
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ARTICLES AUTHORED AND CO-AUTHORED BY MR. RIVKIN SEVERAL IN THE LAST
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| 00:43:58 |
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MONTHS AND INCLUDING THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" ARTICLE TO WHICH HE JUST ALLUDED. I THINK THE DEBATE HERE HAS BEEN WON HANDS DOWN BY MR. V RIVKIN. I...
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| 00:44:48 |
Host, -
PASSED BY A CONGRESS COMPOSED OF REPUBLICANS, AS WELL AS DEMOCRATS. IT'S UNFORTUNATE IT
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| 00:44:54 |
Caller, -
WAS EXTENDED FOR ONLY SIX MONTHS, RATHER THAN THE THREE
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| 00:44:57 |
Host, -
MONTHS SOME OF THE DEMOCRATS
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| 00:44:58 |
Caller, -
WISHED IT TO BE EXTENDED. IT WILL BE EXTENDED AGAIN I'M CONFIDENT IN SIX MONTHS. WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS SAME DEBATE AGAIN AND GET THE SAME RESULT. ...
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| 00:45:37 |
Host, -
SUN FORTUNATE TO WE'LL HAVE TO ANOTHER DEBATE I THINK A VERBATIM QUOTE. FISA HAS BEEN ATTEMPTING TO FIX WHATEVER PROBLEMS THERE WERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS...
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| 00:45:52 |
Guest, -
ADMINISTRATION INSISTING WE DON'T NEED OR WANT ANY CHANGES TO FISA. SUDDENLY WEEKS AGO THEY SUDDENLY DECLARED WE NEED FISA REVISED DRAMATICALLY...
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| 00:47:08 |
Host, -
NUMBER 2 --
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| 00:47:09 |
Guest, -
IN THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE HORRIBLE THINGS HAVE OCCURRED IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, AND THEY WON'T, TO SAY WE WERE FOR IT SIX MONTHS AGO. GLENN, I WOULD...
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| 00:48:07 |
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MINUTES -- WE'LL
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