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THIS HEARING WILL COME TO ORDER. THE PROCEDURE TODAY WILL BE I GIVE THE OPENING STATEMENTS. SENATOR FEINSTEIN, BECAUSE OF HER ACTIVE ROLE AND ONE OTHER...
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
THE OPENING STATEMENT. THEN WE WILL HAVE 10-MINUTE ROUNDS AND TRY TO GET TWO ROUNDS IN. OK. I WANT TOP THANK ALL OF YOU FOR ATTENDING. FOUR WEEKS AGO...
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
TO THINK WHEN THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS OF RETALIATION BASED ON COLD POLITICAL ALLEGATIONS LEVELED BY FEDERAL PROSECUTORS OF UNIMPEACHABLE INTEGRITY?...
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
TO WHO WOULD JUDGMENT ON THE -- WITHHOLD JUDGMENT ON THE ALLEGATIONS UNTIL WE HAVE WORKED THROUGH THIS VERY COMPLEX SENATE HEARING. I HAVE FIRSTHAND...
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
CAN REPLACE THE UNITED STATES
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
ATTORNEY IF THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY IS MOVING IN TO SENSITIVE GROUND OR IF THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY IS BEING REPLACED BECAUSE OF BEING TOO CLOSE...
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
AND HAD NEVER
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Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
HAPPENED BEFORE, AND THAT I SHOULD LOOK IN TO IT. WHILE EARLY RUMORS WERE CIRCULATING I BEGAN TO ASK QUESTIONS AND EXPRESS CONCERN. HOWEVER, AS I...
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| 00:21:07 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SOUTHERN STRICT ARE
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Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
RISING SHARPLY IN FISCAL YEAR 2006. AS OF MARCH 2006, THE HALFWAY POINT IN THE FISCAL YEAR, THERE WERE 342 ALIEN SMUGGLING CASES FILED IN THAT JURISDICTION....
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Kyl, Jon - U.S. Senator, [R] Arizona
THEN THE SENATE DO THE CONFIRMING AND TO TAKE THIS OUT OF THE COURTS. I APPRECIATE THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS DONE FOR ABOUT 100 YEARS IN OUR HISTORY BUT...
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| 00:27:59 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
AFTER CLERKING SHE RETURNED TO THE WEST COAST TO BECOME AN ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY IN SAN DIEGO WHERE SHE WAS THE RESEP CURRENT OF MANY DEPARTMENT...
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Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
UNITED STATES, FORMER UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS BEFORE YOU ON THE
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
PANEL TODAY. WITH WHOM I'VE HAD THE GREAT
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Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS A COLLEAGUE FROM THE FLOWING DISTRICTS, BUD CUMMINGS, DAVID EVERYONE GLESIAS AND JOHN MCKAY WESTERN DISTRICT OF WASHINGTON....
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| 00:37:19 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
HEARING. VERY FEW THINGS I'VE HEARD CONCERN ME AS MUCH AS THIS, AS MUCH AS THE SUDDEN FIRINGS. I
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| 00:37:35 |
Leahy, Patrick J. - U.S. Senator, [D] Vermont
FELT VERY PRIVILEGED TO BE STATE PROSECUTOR NOT FEDERAL PROSECUTOR. AND OTHERS FIRST CAME TO ME AND TALKED ABOUT IT. AT FIRST I THOUGHT THERE HAD...
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| 00:42:52 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
ALLEGATIONS LAST WEEK ABOUT POTENTIALLY INAPPROPRIATE CONTACTS YOU'VE HAD WITH TWO MEMBERS OF CONGRESS LAST OCTOBER. YOU HAVE BEEN QUOTED AS SAYING...
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
JUST RETURNED TO MY HOTEL AND I RECEIVED A CALL FROM HEATHER WILSON, UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE FROM NEW MEXICO DISTRICT ONE. THE CALL WAS QUITE...
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
IT WAS APPROXIMATELY THE 26TH OR 27TH
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
OF OCTOBER. >> DID SOMEONE PLACE THE CALL
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
FOR THE SENATOR OR DID HE CALL YOU DIRECTLY? >> INITIALLY HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, STEVE BELL CALLED AND INDICATED THAT THE
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| 00:45:29 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SENATOR WANTED TO SPEAK WITH ME. >> APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG WAS THAT PHONE CALL IN TOTAL? >> VERY BRIEF. ONE TO TWO MINUTES
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
AT THE TOPS. >> AT THE TIME WERE THERE PUBLIC REPORTS ABOUT
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| 00:45:40 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
A CORRUPTION INVESTIGATION INVOLVING DEMOCRATS IN NEW MEXICO >> YES, SIR. >> PLEASE DESCRIBE FOR THE COMMITTEE
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
NOW AS BEST YOU CAN YOUR ENTIRE RECOLLECTION OF THAT COMMUNICATION, PLEASE TELL US WHAT
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| 00:45:51 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SENATOR DOMENICI SAID AND WHAT YOU
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
SAID. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I WAS AT HOME. THIS WAS ON THE DALY TIME I HAD EVER RECEIVED
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| 00:45:58 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
A CALL FROM ANY MEMBER OF CONGRESS WHILE AT HOME DURING MY AT THE ENTREPRENEUR AS A UNITED STATES ATTORNEY
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
FOR NEW MEXICO. MR. BELL
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
CALLED ME. I WAS IN MY BEDROOM. MY WIFE WAS NEARBY AND HE INDICATED THAT THE SENATOR WANTED TO SPEAK WITH ME. HE INDICATED THAT
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| 00:46:15 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
THERE WAS SOME COMPLAINTS BY SOME CITIZENS SO I SAID OK. HE SAYS HERE'S THE SENATOR. SO HE HANDED THE PHONE OVER AND I RECOGNIZED THE VOICE AS BEING...
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| 00:47:08 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
IT FAIR TO SAY THAT YOU FELT
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
PRESSURED TO
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
HURRY SUBSEQUENT CASES AND PROSECUTIONS AS A RESULT OF
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| 00:47:16 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
THE CALL? >> YES, SIR, DIE. I FELT LEANED ON.
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| 00:47:19 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
I FELT PRESSURED TO GET THESE MATTERS MOVING. >> AND AS YOU SAY, IT WAS UNUSUAL FOR YOU TO RECEIVE CALL FROM A SENATOR AT HOME
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| 00:47:27 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
WHILE YOU WERE THE U.S. ATTORNEY >> UNPRECEDENTED. IT HAD NEVER HAPPENED. >> OK. HOW LONG AFTER THAT CONTACTS WITH SENATOR DOMENICI WERE
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| 00:47:37 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
YOU FIRED? >> APPROXIMATELY SIX WEEKS LATER, FIVE WEEKS LATER. THERE ABOUTS. >>
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
LET'S GO ON THE THE CALL OF HEATHER WILSON. DID THE CALL WITH CONGRESS WOMAN WILSON OCCUR BEFORE
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
OR AFTER YOUR CONVERSATION WITH
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Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SENATOR DOMENC SNINCHE A CALL FROM CONGRESS WOMAN WILSON WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THE CALL FROM THE SENATOR. >> DO YOU REMEMBER
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| 00:47:59 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
THE DAY OR DATE >> ON OR ABOUT THE 16TH OF OCTOBER. >> PLEASE DESCRIBE
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| 00:48:04 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
FOR THE COMMITTEE BEST YOUR CAN YOUR ENTIRE RECOLLECTION OF THAT COMMUNICATION, TELL US WHAT CONGRESS WOMAN WILSON SAID AND WHAT YOU SAID. >> THAT...
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| 00:48:20 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SHE THEN ASKED ME ABOUT, SHE
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
HAD BEEN HEARING ABOUT
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| 00:48:24 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SEALED INDICTMENTS. SHE SAID WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT SEALED INDICTMENTS. THE SECOND SHE SAID ANY QUESTION ABOUT SEALED INDICTMENTS, RED FLAGS WENT
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| 00:48:33 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
UP IN MY HEAD BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT INDICTMENTS UNTIL THEY ARE MADE PUBLIC. SPECIFICALLY WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT A SEALED INDICTMENT....
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| 00:49:36 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
TO MR. MCKAY.
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
OUR COMMITTEES INTEREST IN THESE
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| 00:49:40 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
MATTERS IS SERIOUS AND OF COURSE ANY ATTEMPT TO INTIMIDATE A
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| 00:49:44 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
WITNESS INTO NOT TESTIFYING OR NOT BEING COOPERATIVE WOULD BE VERY TROUBLING. LET
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| 00:49:49 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
ME ASK THIS QUESTION. ISME GOING ASK THIS QUESTION OF ALL OF YOU BUT I'LL START WITH MR. MCKAY. AFTER YOUR DISMISSAL, DID ANY OF THE -- DID ANY OF...
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| 00:50:38 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
PHONE CALL I RECEIVED. ABOUT, I BELIEVE ON FEBRUARY 20TH I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM
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| 00:50:48 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
MIKE ELSTN WHO I BELIEVE IS THE CHIEF OF JUST -- CHIEF OF STAFF
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Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
TO THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL. I'VE HAD PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM. I CONTACTED HIM AFTER THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TESTIFIED IN THIS COMMITTEE TO...
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| 00:56:00 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SOME FAIRLY DIRECT COMMENTS
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Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
TO US. I TOOK THOSE COMMENTS TO BE
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| 00:56:04 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
THE FOLLOWING. NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC
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Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
COMMENTS
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| 00:56:08 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
BY FORMER UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS WERE INTENSELY FROWNED UPON BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND WE COULD
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McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
EXPECT REPERCUSSIONS IF WE CONTINUESED TO SPEAK PUBLICLY. >> THIS WAS AFTER OUR INVESTIGATION HAD BEGUN >> THAT'S CORRECT. FEBRUARY 20TH IS I BELIEVE...
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| 00:56:40 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
ACCORDINGLY. I HEARD BOSTON THOSE MESSAGES
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| 00:56:42 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
FROM MR. CUMMINGS AND MR. CUMS RELATED TO US FAIRLY AND I THINK WITH COURAGE THAT HE CONSIDERED MR. ELLSON'S CALL TO BE INTENTIONALLY DELIVERED...
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| 00:57:34 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
THINGS REVEALED ABOUT YOUR RECORD. IT DIDN'T INTIMIDATE ME, IT MADE ME ANGRY. SO HENCE,, HENCE MY PRESENCE HERE. >>
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Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
RIGHT. MISS LAMB >> I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK I HAVE A LOT TO ADD TO THAT. I DID RECEIVE THE MESSAGE. I THINK TRYING TO SORT OUT OR DESCRIBE...
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| 00:58:05 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
OF DECEMBER 7TH HAVE I EVER BEEN
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Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
PROVIDE DIRECTLY BY THE DEPARTMENT WITH THE REASON I RECEIVED THE CALL AND, THEREFORE, IT WAS NEVER KNOWN TO ME WHETHER THEY WERE HOLDING SOME INFORMATION...
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| 00:58:58 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
ROUND. ONE FINAL QUESTION FOR ME. I WANT TO ASK EACH OF THESE WITNESSES AND JUST PLEASE ANSWER THIS ONE YES OR NO BECAUSE MY TIME HAS EXPIRED. I WANT...
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| 00:59:08 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
YOU BASED ON EVERYTHING
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| 00:59:09 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
YOU KNOW, SITTING HERE TODAY, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU WERE FIRED FOR ANY FAILURE OF PERFORMANCE AS ALLEGED BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT? MISS LAMB? JUST...
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| 00:59:45 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
ROUND I THINK IT IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT YOU WERE SIX MINUTES
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Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
AND ALL SECONDS OVER.
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McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
I DON'T SAY
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| 00:59:52 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
THAT IN ANY SENSE TO SAY YOU SHOULDN'T BE, JUST THAT I WOULD LOOK FOR THE SAME LATITUDE. >> YOU WILL HAVE IT AS ALWAYS. >>
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
OK. MAY I SEE THE EMAIL BEFORE MY ROUND BEGINS, MR. CUMMINGS? MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I ASK THAT THE CLOCK STOP -- >> WOULD
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| 01:00:23 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
THE CLERK GET THE EMAIL
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| 01:00:25 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
AND THEN COPY IT AND DISTRIBUTE IT TO EACH PERSON. WHILE WE'RE WAITING SINCE WE DO HAVE LIMITED TIME, THEY DO HAVE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT DO YOU WANT TO...
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| 01:00:44 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SURE. >> SENATOR FEINSTEIN. THANKS. [INAUDIBLE] >> WITH MR. MCKAY, DID ANY
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| 01:00:56 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR THEIR STAFF CONTACT YOU REGARDING DECISIONS
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| 01:01:01 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
YOUR OFFICE WAS MAKING, WHETHER TO
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| 01:01:04 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
CONDUCT AN
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| 01:01:06 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
INVESTIGATION? >> YES. >> WERE YOU EVER CONTACTED BY A MEMBER OF CONGRESS OR THEIR STAFF ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE
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| 01:01:15 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
WASHINGTON GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION >> YES. >> WHO OR WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME OF THOSE CONTACTS? >> AT SOME WEEKS TO THROWING 2004 GOVERNOR'S ELECTION...
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| 01:01:26 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
STATE OF WASHINGTON, I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM
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| 01:01:28 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO REPRESENTATIVE DOC HASTINGS OF RICHLAND, WASHINGTON. THE GOVERNOR'S ELECTION AT THAT TIME HAD BEEN CERTIFIED IN FAVOR
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| 01:01:38 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
OF THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE ON
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| 01:01:40 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
A THIRD RECOUNT BY SOMETHING AROUND 200 VOTES OUT
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| 01:01:44 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
OF MILLIONS CAST. I WAS TOLD THE PURPOSE OF THE CALL WAS TO INQUIRE ON BEHALF OF THE CONGRESSMAN REGARDING THE STATUS OF ANY FEDERAL INVESTIGATION INTO...
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| 01:02:44 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
ON BEHALF OF HIS BOSS TO REVEAL INFORMATION
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| 01:02:47 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
ABOUT AN ON GOING INVESTIGATION OR TO LOBBY ME ON ONE BECAUSE WE BOTH
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| 01:02:52 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
KNEW THAT
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| 01:02:53 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
WOULD BE IMPROPER. HE AGREED THAT IT WOULD BE IMPROPER. AND ENDED THE CONVERSATION IN A MOST EXPERIOD DIE SHOW US FASHION. I WAS CONCERNED AND DISMAYED...
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| 01:03:51 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
WANT TO SAY THAT I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH SENATOR SPECTER I DID SERVE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE
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| 01:03:57 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
PRESIDENT WHEN ASKED TO RESIGN I RESIGNED QUIETLY, I MADE NO STATEMENT ABOUT MY SERVICE. HIGH NO INTENTION OF DEFENDING MY TIME IN OFFICE. I HAVE...
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| 01:04:43 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
DO WHAT'S RIGHT BY THE LAW AND NOT THE POLITICAL
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| 01:04:46 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
THING AND I HAD FELT NO PRESSURE IN THAT REGARD. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCKAY. NOW I WOULD LIKE TO TURN TO MISS LAMB, IF I MIGHT. AS YOU KNOW, THE F.B.I....
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| 01:05:11 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
HE BELIEVED WAS CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF A NUMBER OF ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AND I DON'T WANT TO YOU...
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| 01:05:58 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
AND AT THAT TIME OUR OFFICE ANNOUNCED THAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS ONGOING. BEYOND THAT, SENATOR, I DON'T REALLY FEEL THAT I CAN COMMENT FURTHER. >>...
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| 01:06:29 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
DID ARISE OUT OF FACTS LEARNED DURING THE INVESTIGATION OF FORMER CONGRESSMAN
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| 01:06:34 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
CUNNINGHAM, ONE INDICTMENT HAD TO DO WITH MR. FOGEL'S USE
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| 01:06:40 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
OF HIS POSITION AT THE C.I.A., HIS RECEIPT OF GOODS IN ORDER TO
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| 01:06:48 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
GET GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS FOR MR. WILKES AND THE OTHER INDICTMENT INVOLVED A CONSPIRACY, A CONSPIRACY TOO BRIBE CONGRESSMAN CUNNINGHAM. >> NOW, MISS...
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| 01:07:23 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO WHEN CONGRESSMAN ISA IN SAN DIEGO BEGAN RESPONDSING TO COMPLAINTS FROM THE BORDER PATROL UNION NOT MANAGEMENT BUT THE BORDER...
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| 01:07:37 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
REGARDING THE OFFICE'S DECISION, MY DECISION TO REDUCE SOME OF OUR, SOME OF THE PROSECUTION OF LOWER LEVEL COYOTES OR FOOT GINDS OFFICE. I THINK IT'S...
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| 01:11:22 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
YOU WERE TOLD THAT YOU WERE FORCED TO RESIGN DID INTERVIEWS TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE BEGIN FOR YOUR REPLACEMENT? COULD
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| 01:11:33 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
WE START WITH YOU, MISS
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| 01:11:35 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
LAMB? >> I DON'T THINK INTERVIEWS BEGAN UNTIL APPROXIMATELY TWO WEEKS BEFORE I LEFT OFFICE. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EARLY FEBRUARY. I CAN GIVE YOU A...
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| 01:11:58 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
RECOLLECTION THE INTERVIEWS TOOK PLACE THIS, IS FOR THE INTERIM POSITION IN EARLY TO MID-FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. >> MR. MCKAY >> SENATOR, I WAS TOLD...
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| 01:12:15 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
TOOK PLACE ON
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| 01:12:17 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
APPROXIMATELY JANUARY 16TH AND I RECALL IT BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT TWO DAYS BEFORE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE. >> THANK YOU....
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| 01:12:26 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
WELL IN
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| 01:12:27 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
MY CASE, SENATOR, THE INTERIM PERSON WAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED BY THE TIME I WAS ASKED TO LEAVE. >> YES. >> THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. BECAUSE THE OUTSIDE...
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| 01:12:44 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
CASES, THERE WERE NO INTERIM INTERVIEWS BEGUN
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| 01:12:49 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
UNTIL THE CASES BECAME VERY PUBLICLY KNOWN, AND I THINK THAT'S
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| 01:12:56 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
LED TO US BELIEVE THAT IT
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| 01:12:58 |
Feinstein, Dianne - U.S. Senator, [D] California
WAS QUITE PROBABLE THAT OUTSIDE INDIVIDUALS WERE GOING TO BE BROUGHT IN TO TAKE THESE POSITION. MY TIME IS UP. >> THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET TO SENATOR...
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| 01:13:26 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
IT OR IF YOU PREFER I'LL READ IT >> PREFER FOR YOU TO READ IT. >> THANKS. OK. I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE. IT'S FROM H.G. CUMMNS CENTS TUESDAY,...
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| 01:13:50 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
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| 01:13:51 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SAS. SUBJECT ON ANOTHER NOTE. MIKE ELLSTON FROM THE D.O.J.'S OFFICE CALLED ME TODAY. THE CALL WAS AMYABLE ENOUGH BUT SPURRED BY THE SUNDAY POST ARTICLE....
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| 01:16:54 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
ANY OR NO REASON. DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WERE INAPPROPRIATELY REMOVED? >>
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| 01:17:01 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
WELL, SENATOR, I THINK THAT IT WAS UNUSUAL GIVEN THE TRADITION AND HISTORY OF UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS TWIN DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. IT WAS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING,...
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| 01:17:23 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
UNIQUE POSITION AS PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTEES CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE IN THEIR DISTRICTS. SO, I THINK THCHES UNUSUAL. I'M TROUBLED BY IT BECAUSE OF THE...
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| 01:18:00 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
I THINK THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW YOUR JUDGMENT IF YOU THINK IT WAS IMPROPER. >> AGAIN, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT REASON,...
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| 01:18:29 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
WHY I'M HESITATING, SENATOR. I DON'T FEEL THAT I DID ANYTHING IN MY ROLE AS U.S. ATTORNEY TO EITHER EMBARRASS THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE PRESIDENT OR WARRANT...
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| 01:19:03 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
CONGRESSMAN CUNNINGHAM AND THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN HOT ON THE TRAIL OF OTHERS INVOLVED. IS THERE ANY BASIS FOR THAT SUGGESTION OR INFERENCE? >>...
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| 01:19:36 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
WELL, THAT'S NOT QUITE RESPONSIVE AGAIN. >> I APOLOGIZE. >> THERE'S BEEN A SUGGESTION THAT YOU WILL NOT, OR YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT YOU WOULDN'T SAY...
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| 01:19:57 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
AFIR MAIVE. I
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| 01:20:00 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
THINK THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THIS MATTER WARRANT
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| 01:20:03 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
THE COMMITTEE MAKING THAT INQUIRY, BUT WE CAN DO IT IN A CLOSED SESSION SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT PUBLICLY. CARE TO SAY ANYTHING ON THAT...
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| 01:20:38 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
ARE THERE CONTINUESING INVESTIGATIONS ARISING FROM THE CUNNINGHAM CONVICTION >> YES AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. I BELIEVE WE SAID...
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| 01:20:57 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
CLOSED SESSION. MR. INGLESIAS, STATEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE BY BOTH
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| 01:21:05 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
SENATOR DOMENICI AND CONGRESS WOMAN WILSON ABOUT YOUR CONVERSATION AND I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENTS THAT THEIR FULL STATEMENTS
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| 01:21:14 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD. I WILL ONLY QUOTE FOR A PART OF THEM. BUT THIS IS WHAT SENATOR DOMENICI SAID WITH RESPECT TO THE CONVERSATIONS. QUOTE,...
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| 01:22:33 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
IN ANY WAY, CLOSE QUOTE. WHAT WAS THERE THAT LED YOU TO DISAGREE WITH THAT, AND FEEL PRESSURE OR A THREAT? >> DUE TO THE TIMING OF THE CALL, IT...
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| 01:22:49 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
AWARE THAT PUBLIC CORRUPTION WAS A HUGE BATTLE BEING WAGED BY PATRICIA MADRID AND HEATHER WILSON IN THE FIRST DISTRICT AND I TRIED TO STAY OUT OF THAT...
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| 01:23:05 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
I WOULD SAY PUBLICLY WOULD BE USED IN ATTACK ADS. I WANTED TO STAY OUT OF THE POLITICS, I WANTED TO STAY OUT OF CAMPAIGN. MY JOB WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT...
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| 01:23:42 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
OFFICE'S PROSECUTION OF THE STATE TREASURER'S CASE. MY OFFICE WAS ABLE TO CONVICT TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE STATE
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| 01:23:51 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
OF NEW MEXICO, BACK-TO-BACK STATE TREASURERS. WE GOT CONVICTIONS,
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| 01:23:55 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
AND THE FACTS THAT THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAD NOT TANEY ACTION AND HAD,
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| 01:24:00 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
IN FACT, INDICTED OUR FEDERAL COOPERATING WITNESSES BECAME A HUGE POINTS OF CONTENTION BETWEEN CONGRESS WOMAN HEATHER WILSON AND HER CHALLENGER...
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| 01:24:37 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
DEAD AFTER HIM SAYING HE WAS VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT I WOULD NOT BE TAKING ANY ACTION BEFORE NOVEMBER, I FELT PRESSURE TO MOVE THE CASE FORWARD. >>...
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| 01:24:56 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
HAPPENING BEFORE NOVEMBER. THAT'S ABOUT THE TOTAL SUBSTANCE OF WHAT SENATOR DOMENICI SAID >> THAT'S CORRECT, SIR, IT WAS
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| 01:25:07 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
A VERY BRIEF CONVERSATION. .
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| 01:25:26 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD, AND I DID. I DID NOT ASK HIM ABOUT THE TIMING OF ANY INDICTMENTINGS. AND I DID NOT TELL MR. IGLESIAS WHAT COURSE OF ACTION I...
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| 01:26:48 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. >> DID SHE SAY ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT SHE SAID, SHE SAID? AND 2 INQUIRY ABOUT SEALED INDICTMENTS? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO, SIR. IT...
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| 01:27:03 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
BRIEF CONVERSATION, SINCE OBVIOUSLY I COULD NOT TALK ABOUT
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| 01:27:06 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
SEALED
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| 01:27:07 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
INDICTMENTS, I WAS NONRESPONSIVE TO HER INQUIRIES. >>
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| 01:27:11 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
AND YOU
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| 01:27:13 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
THOUGHT THAT THE CONVERSATION BY CONGRESS WOMAN -- THOSE CALLS WERE INAPPROPRIATE? >> YES, SIR, I
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| 01:27:21 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
DO. >> DID YOU REPORT THOSE CALLS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE? >> I DID NOT. >> WHY NOT? >> I FELT TERRIBLY CONFLICTED BECAUSE SENATOR HAD BEEN...
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| 01:27:34 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
ASSISTS ME EARLY IN MY CAREER AND SENATOR WILSON WAS A FRIEND AND AL AYE. I SAW HER GO FROM
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| 01:27:41 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
BEING A VERY -- WHAT'S
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| 01:27:44 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
THE POLITE WAY
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| 01:27:46 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
OF PUTTING
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| 01:27:47 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
THIS? UNACCOMPLISHED PUBLIC SPEAK
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| 01:27:50 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
TORE BEING A VERY ACCOMPLISHED PUBLIC SPEAKER, AND I FELT A CONFLICT BETWEEN MY LOYALTY TO THEM AS FRIENDS AND AL AYES, AND MY DUTY TO REPORT UNDER...
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| 01:28:24 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
TRYING TO DO IS FIND IDENTITY EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID AND WHETHER YOUR REACTION TO IT
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| 01:28:33 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
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| 01:28:35 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
WAS CAUSED BY OTHERS OR WHETHER -- OR -- AND WHETHER WHAT THEY DID WAS APPROPRIATE. AND THAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION, AND IT IS, WHAT MADE YOU...
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| 01:29:48 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
PERSONLY. I'M PROUD OF MY OFFICE, ESPECIALLY MY LA CREWS SASS OFFICE. I STARTED THINKING WHY AM I PROTECTING PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY DID ME WRONG BUT DID...
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| 01:30:35 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
ATTORNEYS HAVE UNDERTAKEN, UH, BUT DID THE THOUGHT CROSS YOUR MIND THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TERMINATED YOU FOR THE SAME REASON THEY TERMINATED OTHERS? WITHOUT...
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| 01:32:04 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
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| 01:32:08 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
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| 01:32:10 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
JANUARY. >> WHEN DID YOU THINK THEY WERE
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| 01:32:14 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
PART OF YOU BEING ASKED TO RE SIGN? >> I KNEW THAT PERFORMANCE WASN'T THE REAL BASIS. THE ONLY THIRD POSSIBILITY WOULD BE POLITICS. AND I STARTED THINKING,...
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| 01:32:33 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
I THOUGHT ABOUT THE TWO PHONE CALLS AND I KNEW THE RACE IN NEW MEXICO WISDOM CLOSE
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| 01:32:40 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
AND I SUSPECT THEY THOUGHT I WASN'T A HELP DURING THE CAMPAIGN AND 125R9ED TO KIND OF PUT THE DOTS TOGETHER. >> AND HOW LONG AFTER YOU CONCLUDED...
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| 01:33:08 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
SO HOW LONG WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN AFTER THIS YEAR AFTER YOU CAME TO THE CONCLUSION IN YOUR OWN MIND DID YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION IN YOUR OWN MIND THAT...
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| 01:33:30 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
FEINGOLD? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> I WAS WATCHING THE CLOCK CLOSELY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR HOLDING THIS SECOND HEARING AND CONTINUING...
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| 01:33:48 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
ABSOLUTELY VITAL OUR CITIZENS BE ABLE
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| 01:33:51 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
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| 01:33:53 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
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| 01:33:55 |
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin
TO HAVE -- ACTING IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE AND NOT POLITICS AT ALL TIMES. INDEED ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALEZ TESTIFIED IN JANUARY THAT HE WOULD QUOTE...
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| 01:38:01 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
CRIMES, FRAUD CASES, DRUG CASES AND IDENTITY THEFT, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. THOSE PRIORITIES NEVER REALLY ARE EVER RETRACTED. THEY ARE JUST ADDED...
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| 01:39:42 |
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin
SUPPORTED MY APPROACH TO VARIOUS PRIORITIES. >> AND SO THE COMMENTS COULD NOT BE CHARACTERIZED AS THAT THEY WERE UNHAPPY WITH
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| 01:39:52 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
YOUR PRIORITIES? >> NO. >> I'D LIKE TO READ A SENTENCE FROM MIKE BATTLE DATED JANUARY 24, 2006 TO ME. I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR COMBLESMRY...
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| 01:40:06 |
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin
DEPARTMENT'S ANTI-TERRORISM AND WEED AND SEED AND COMMITTEE, AT NO TIME DID I RECEIVE ANY COMMUNICATION FROM ANY JUSTICE THAT I WAS
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| 01:40:13 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
NOT FOLLOWING THE
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| 01:40:15 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
PRIORITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. >> THANK YOU. >> OK. SENATOR, I WAS NEVER ADVISED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THAT I WAS FAILING TO FOLLOW...
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| 01:40:36 |
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin
JUSTICE, WHICH WAS FINALIZED IN SEPTEMBER,
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| 01:40:39 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
SEPTEMBER 22 OF 2006. AND MY LEADERSHIP WAS CITED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY TO ME THE ASSISTANT ATTORNEYS AND MY STAFF WERE CITED IN VERY OUTSTANDING TERMS,...
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| 01:41:58 |
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin
IF YOUR PARTY TOOK THE WHITE HOUSE, THAT ADMINISTRATION WOULD
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| 01:42:01 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
BE ENTITLED TO REORGANIZE THE PRIORITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND IN FACT I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE STRONGEST ARGUMENTS BECAUSE THEY ARE ENTITLED...
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| 01:43:40 |
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin
SENATOR. >> WELL, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THESE HEARINGS. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR WITNESSES FOR THEIR SERVICE TO OUR...
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| 01:43:55 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
KNOWN. NOT ONLY
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| 01:43:58 |
Feingold, Russell "Russ" - U.S. Senator, [D] Wisconsin
IN AS U.S. ATTORNEYS, BUT IN OTHER
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| 01:44:01 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
AREAS THAT
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| 01:44:02 |
Cardin, Benjamin "Ben" L. - U.S. Senator, [D] Maryland
YOU'VE HELPED IN OUR LEGAL COMMUNITY. I JUST REALLY WANT TO UNDERSCORE THE POINT THAT SENATOR SHUMER AND SPECTER STATED AND THAT IS THAT NO ONE...
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| 01:46:08 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
VERY DIFFICULT MANNER WHEN THERE WAS A LEAK TO THE NEWSPAPER IN MID JANUARY. I THINK THAT -- AND SUBSEQUENTLY WHEN IF PRESS BEGAN REPORT THAT THE...
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| 01:47:34 |
Cardin, Benjamin "Ben" L. - U.S. Senator, [D] Maryland
COMBOOKT ON RERECRUITMENT. >> WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS I'VE BEEN REAL CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON MY OFFICE, NOT BECAUSE THE OFFICE CAN'T CARRY...
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| 01:47:57 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
LEADERSHIP OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S LEADERSHIP. SO IT'S NOT THAT I'M IRREPLACEABLE, BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MANNER THAT THESE DECISIONS -- NOT ONLY THE...
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| 01:50:30 |
Cardin, Benjamin "Ben" L. - U.S. Senator, [D] Maryland
HAVE COME TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH EXTRAORDINARY TALENT IN ORDER TO SERVE THEIR COUNTRY AND COMMUNITY AND THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS COMMITTED...
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| 01:51:11 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
MR. CUMMINGS, LET ME ASK YOU FIRST, I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO PUT YOUR
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| 01:51:15 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
U.S. ATTORNEY HAT BACK ON. YOU'RE STILL IN OFFICE. AND THINK OF A SIGNIFICANT GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION THAT YOU LED AS UNITED STATES ATTORNEY IN YOUR...
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| 01:51:32 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
AND CONSIDER THAT A SIGNIFICANT WITNESS IN THAT GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION HAS JUST COME INTO YOUR OFFICE TO RELATE TO YOU THAT PRIOR TO HIS GRAND JURY...
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| 01:51:57 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
WHAT WOULD YOUR NEXT STEP BE AS UNITED STATES ATTORNEY? >> WELL, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE DRIVING WITH THAT QUESTION, AND I'LL ANSWER IT, BUT I'D...
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| 01:52:24 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
DISCUSSION WAS HAD, WE WERE NOT UNDER IS UP IS UP. THE IDEA OF TESTIFYING WAS JUST A THEORETICAL IDEA OUT THERE. AND I WOULD SAY TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY...
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| 01:53:18 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
YOU'RE IN YOUR U.S. ATTORNEY'S CHAIR, THE CONVERSATION THAT MR. CUNLINGS RELTED TO YOU IN THIS EMAIL
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| 01:53:24 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
IS RELTED TO YOU ABOUT A WITNESS IN A PENDING GRAND JURY --
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| 01:53:29 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP YOU WOULD
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| 01:53:31 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
TAKE? >> I WOULD BE DISCUSSING IT WITH THE
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| 01:53:37 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
ASIGNED PROSECUTOR AND IN THE CASE. >> WITH RESPECT TO? >> POSSIBLE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO -- >> I WAS LISTENING. >>...
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| 01:53:54 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
AND PROBABLY THE F.B.I. AND TALK ABOUT WHAT'S THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE TO MAYBE
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| 01:54:00 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
MOVE FORWARD ON AN OBSTRUCTION
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| 01:54:03 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
INVESTIGATION. >> MISS LAM? >>
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| 01:54:06 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
FUNDAMENTALLY
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| 01:54:07 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
THE SAME ANSWER. WITNESS
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| 01:54:10 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
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| 01:54:11 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
INTIMIDATINGS. -- TIDGES. -- INTIMIDATION. >> IT ALSO STRIKES ME THAT IN OUR COMPLEX SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THIS COUNTRY, ONE OF
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| 01:54:25 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THE HELPFUL CHECKS AND BALANCES
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| 01:54:27 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
IS WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A HEALTHY TENSION THAT EXISTS BETWEEN MAIN JUSTICE, WHICH HAS ITS PRIORITIES AND ITS INITIATIVES, AND THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS...
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| 01:54:39 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THEIR JUDGES, WHO KNOW THEIR LOCATIONS, WHO KNOW THEIR AGENCIES, AND AS YOU HAVE SAID, MISS LAM, WHERE IN THE MOW ZAKE OF ENFORCEMENT WHERE BEST TO...
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| 01:56:21 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT THE RECIPIENTS OF THE CALL WERE ALL SHOCKED AND TRYING TO INQUIRE WHAT THE REASON WAS, I THINK...
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| 01:57:56 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
A VIOLATION OF THE
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| 01:57:57 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
SEPARATION OF POWERS, AND ALSO CAUSING -- CALLS INTO QUESTION IF POLITICAL PRESSURE DOES RULT IN LESS INDEPENDENCE, UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS HAVE TO...
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| 01:58:46 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THE FORCED RESIGNATION OF MYSELF
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| 01:58:48 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
AND MY COLLEAGUES, THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THE QUALITIES THAT WE HOPE WE DEMONSTRATED IN OURSELVES, WHICH ARE PROSECUTORIAL INDEPENDENCE, INTEGRITY,...
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| 01:59:48 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
HER WITH SOME EXCITEMENT THAT IT WAS A REALLY NEAT JOB AND THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GO OUT AND MAKE
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| 01:59:56 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
REALLY TOUGH DECISIONS AND PROSECUTE PEOPLE INCLUDING POLITICAL PEOPLE
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| 02:00:00 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
IN YOUR OWN PARTY AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A FRIEND IN TOWN IF I DID MY JOB RIGHT. SHE KIND OF LOOKED AT ME FUNNY LIKE WHY WOULD YOU...
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| 02:01:51 |
Whitehouse, Sheldon - U.S. Senator, [D] Rhode Island
THEY DESERVE TO STAY ON. WE HAVE A VOTE THAT BEGAN ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES AGO, AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO BECAUSE -- I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS BREAK BRIEFLY...
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| 02:02:06 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SESSIONS HAS HIS FIRST ROUND AND SOME OF US HAVE OUR SECOND ROUNDS, SO -- A BRIEF RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES. >> THE HEARING WILL COME TO ORDER ONCE AGAIN....
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| 02:03:24 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SIDE. I KNOW ALL OF YOU HAVE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT AT 2:00 P.M., SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO WRAP UP HERE BY 1:00 P.M. THE LATEST. OK. 4 I'M INTERESTED IN...
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| 02:04:38 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
THOUGHT HE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB AND HE CALLED AND SAID THIS IS A REALLY TOUGH CALL TO MAKE
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| 02:04:43 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SO I'M JUST GOING TO GET RIGHT TO THE
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| 02:04:45 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
POINT. I DON'T REMEMBER WHO HE SAID, SOMEBODY WANTS YOUR RESIGNATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW HE PHRASED IT. >> DID HE NAME A PERSON? >> NO. NO INDIVIDUALS...
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| 02:05:15 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
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| 02:05:16 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
RESIGN AS SOON AS YOUR REPLACEMENT CAN BE READY. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAD NEVER HEARD OF ANYBODY ABSENCE MALL FEESENS BEING ASKED TO STEP DOWN SO...
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| 02:06:14 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
WORD THAT HE USED, SOUGHT
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| 02:06:16 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
TO GO IN A
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| 02:06:17 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
DIFFERENT DIRECTION. AND THAT I WOULD BE ASKED
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| 02:06:20 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
TO DEPENDER MY RESIGNATION NO LATER THAN THE END OF JANUARY AND I THINK AFTER A FAIRLY STUNNED
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| 02:06:27 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
PAUSE, I ASKED HIM BECAUSE I DID THEN AND STILL CONSIDER HIM A FRIEND AND SAID MIKE, WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? HE SAID I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANYMORE INFORMATION...
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| 02:07:40 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
MR. IGLESIAS,
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| 02:07:43 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
YOU MENTIONED THEY SAID "ON-HIGH." I THINK YOU MADE MENTION OF THAT TO ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES. YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL OR...
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| 02:08:03 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
MISS LAM? >> ALSO I SAY I CONSIDER MIKE BATTLE TO BE A GOOD FRIEND AND GOOD MAN. HE DID CALL ME ON DECEMBER 7 AND INDICATEED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE...
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| 02:08:16 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
TAKE MY OFFICE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND I ASKED , AND THAT THEY WOULD LIKE MY RESIGNATION
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| 02:08:23 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
EFFECTIVE JANUARY 31 AND I THINK I RESPONDED
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| 02:08:26 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
SOMETHING LIKE WOW, AND MAY I ASK WHY? AND HE SAID THAT HE DID NOT KNOW. I ASKED HIM WHETHER THIS WAS NORMAL IN SOME WAY? AND HE SAID THAT SOMETHING...
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| 02:09:17 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
ONE OF THE REASONS THEY SAID THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAID YOU HAD A PERFORMANCE PROBLEM WAS THAT YOU WERE A ABCENTURY-TEE LANDLORD. JUST TO GET THE RECORD...
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| 02:09:57 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
DEPARTMENT KNOW YOU WERE IN THE SERVICE? >> I'M VERY PROUD OF MY NAVY SERVICE AND IT WAS ON MY RESIDENT ANYWAY. >> HOW DID YOU FEEL WHEN THEY ACCUSED...
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| 02:10:18 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT OF
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| 02:10:21 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
JUSTICE ENSURES THE GUARDSMEN HAVE FULL EMPLOYMENT
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| 02:10:26 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
RIGHT AND ARE NOT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ON THE BASIS OF THEIR AFFILIATION. >> WERE YOU EVER TOLD YOUR ABSENCES WERE HURTING THE U.S. ATTORNEY'S OFFICE...
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| 02:10:37 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
ANYTHING TO THAT EFFECT? >> NO. >> AND I TAKE IT NONE OF YOU WERE GIVEN ANY INKLING OF ANY PERFORMANCE PROBLEMS THAT JUSTICE HAD WITH YOU, IS THAT...
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| 02:10:53 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
INDIVIDUALS IN THE DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE ABOUT A LAW
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| 02:10:58 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION-SHARING
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| 02:11:00 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SYSTEM I WAS HEADING OTHER THAN INDIVIDUAL PROSECUTIONS, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NO, SIR. >> AND THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT
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| 02:11:08 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
SYSTEM KNOWN AS LINKS,
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| 02:11:10 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
WHICH
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| 02:11:11 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
JIM COMEY, HAILED IT AS VISIONARY. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE FOR THEM TO FAIR TO YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE ARGUING...
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| 02:11:27 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
TO USE? >> WELL, I THINK IT'S SEEN AS A NATIONAL MODEL AND I DON'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT MYSELF, BUT IT IS SEEN AS A MODEL, I HAD
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| 02:11:37 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
FULL SUPPORT OF DEPUTY
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| 02:11:39 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
COMEY AS WELL AS A 15-MEMBER CHAIRED COMMITTEE. >> AND ONE MORE FOR MISS LAM, HE SAID ONE OF THE REASONS THEY
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| 02:11:50 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
WERE CONCERNED WITH YOU IS THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH RE-ENTRY PROSECUTIONS. HE THEN SAID THEY HAD LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY THOUGHT YOU SHOULD UP...
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| 02:12:08 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
WHICH SORT OF RUNNING A LITTLE HOLLOW BECAUSE IF THIS WAS ONE OF THE REASONS TO DISMISS YOU THEY WOULD AT LEAST INQUIRE AS TO WHETHER YOU HAD MET THEIR...
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| 02:12:45 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
CONGRESSMAN ICEA AND SENSENBRENNER. I RELATEED THE CON KENTS, WITH THE DEPARTMENT'S APATROL, I RELATEED THE COMMENTS OF THAT CONVERSATION TO THE DEPARTMENT....
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| 02:13:40 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
YOU. I'M NOW GOING TO TURN THE PODIUM OVER TO A QUESTION. I SEE WE HAVE SENATOR GRAHAM HERE, SO IF EACH OF YOU TAKES THE ALLOTTED 10 MINUTES AND...
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| 02:13:54 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
WITNESSES WHO HAVE ANOTHER
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| 02:13:56 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
APPOINTMENT AT 2:00, THEY WILL HAVE TIME TO
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| 02:13:58 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
GET OVER THERE,
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| 02:13:59 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
MAYBE HAVE A LITTLE LUNCH. ETC. >> THANK
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| 02:14:02 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS. IT WAS A DELIGHT BEYOND MEASURE TO BE SELECTED. I'D BEEN AN ASSISTANT...
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| 02:14:23 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
THRILL. I THINK BEING U.S. ATTORNEY IS BETTER THAN BEING AN ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY, BUT NOT MUCH. HAVE A LITTLE MORE HEADACHES, AS YOU CAN...
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| 02:17:30 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
IN OUR DISTRICT AND WHAT I EXPLAINED TO HIM WAS THAT SAN DIEGO, THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT IS SORT OF A UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE WE HAVE ONLY TWO COUNTIES...
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| 02:19:03 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
CASE BECAUSE THEY HAD A CONFLICT WITH A FEW HOURS NOTICED. >> SENATOR SESSIONS, IT'S A ZERO SUM GAME IN OUR DISTRICT. WITH THOUSANDS OF ALIEN CASES ...
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| 02:19:18 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
ALIEN CASES. >> I DON'T WANT TO
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| 02:19:20 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
GO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL, BUT Y'ALL MADE THESE COMPLAINTS. ACCORDING TO THE SENTENCING
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| 02:19:28 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
COMMISSION, THAT YOU PROSECUTEED IN 2006, AFTER BEING DISCUSSED WITH THIS. YOU
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| 02:19:40 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
PROSECUTED 1411 ILLEGAL ALIEN PROSECUTIONS, WHERE AS THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS DID 4,132. THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS, 2,699. THE DISTRICT OF...
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| 02:20:19 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
BUT LET ME JUST ASK YOU FIRST
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| 02:20:21 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
ON THIS AND I'LL LET YOU RESPOND. WITH REGARD TO THE POLICY, YOU DO NOT CONTEND, DO YOU, THAT A UNITED STATES ATTORNEY IS FREE TO HAVE A POLICY THAT'S...
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| 02:20:59 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
YOU OR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND WHO WINS UNDER THAT CIRCUMSTANCE? DON'T THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE PRESIDENT GET TO HAVE
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| 02:21:09 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
SOMEONE AS UNITED STATES ATTORNEY SOMEONE WHO EXECUTES THEIR POLICY? >> SPECIFICALLY, I WAS TOLD YOU'RE STARTING FROM A DIFFERENT BASELINE. THERE WAS...
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| 02:21:37 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
THEY SHOULD BE? >> THERE WAS A DISCUSSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THERE WERE QUESTIONS
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| 02:21:44 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PROSECUTIONS. I WAS LED TO BELIEVE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD AND -- AND I INFORMED THEM SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE WERE FULLY SUPPORTIVE...
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| 02:21:59 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
OFFICE WAS GETTING SUBSTANTIALLY LESS TIME THAN WE WOULD GET FEBRUARY, AND I WOULD NOTE THAT IN THE FIRPS MONTHS OF 2007, WE BROUGHT MORE FIREARMS...
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| 02:22:51 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
I WOULD SAY IT'S -- ULTIMATELY THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY IS AMEANIBLE AND I THINK SUBJECT TO THE POLICIES OF THE PRESIDENT WHO APOINTS THEM. LET...
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| 02:24:14 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
BUT THE ATTORNEY
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| 02:24:16 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
GENERAL MANUEL, MR. EGLASS I CAN'T SAY, WOULD SAY, THAT IF YOU RECEIVED A CONTACT FROM A MEMBER OF CONGRESS THAT WOULD IMPACT YOUR PROSECUTION, YOU...
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| 02:24:50 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
THAT YOU HAD
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| 02:24:52 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A PROBLEM, I
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| 02:24:54 |
Sessions, Jefferson "Jeff" - U.S. Senator, [R] Alabama
THINK THAT YOU CALL THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, I BELIEVE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN AFFIRMED, AND YOUR BEST JUDGMENT ABOUT HOW TO...
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| 02:27:28 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
JOB. IT'S A POLITICAL APPOINTMENT, BUT ALSO A PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITY. ONCE YOU GET THERE, IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO PLAY POLITICS, BUT TO ENFORCE THE LAW....
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| 02:27:47 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
ATTORNEY IS IN AN EIGHT YEAR PERIOD, BUT I TRY TO CYCLE PEOPLE THROUGH BECAUSE IT'S A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE TO HAVE. IT'S NOT A LIFETIME JOB. IT'S GOING...
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| 02:29:18 |
Iglesias, David C. - U.S. Attorney
THE
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| 02:29:21 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
MORE HIGH PROFILE, THE MORE CALLS YOU GET. HAVE EACH OF YOU BEEN CALLED AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER ABOUT A CASE? >> I TESTIFIED ABOUT A PHONE CALL I RECEIVED...
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| 02:29:53 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
YEARS. OBVIOUSLY, IT WASN'T -- WHATEVER PERFORMANCE PROBLEMS
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| 02:29:58 |
Lam, Carol C. - U.S. Attorney
ALLEGE YOU HAVE, THEY
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| 02:30:00 |
Graham, Lindsey - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
IGNORED IT FOR A LONG TIME. MY POINT IS THAT THERE IS A LOT OF POLITICS GOING ON HERE, AND I DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO GET CAUGHT UP IN IT. MR. CHAIRMAN,...
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| 02:31:01 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
SUSPECTOR SEEMED TO WANT A SECOND ROUND BUT I DON'T SEE HIM. OH, THERE HE COMES. COULD SOMEONE POKE THEIR HEAD AND SEE IF HE'S COMING. WE ARE TRYING...
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| 02:31:19 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
AS POSSIBLE. OH, OKAY. NATURE HAS CALLED. SENATOR SUSPECTOR -- SPECTOR. >> WHEN WE ARE CALLED BACK FOR VOTES AND RETURN, I KNOW WE HAVE KEPT YOU WAITING....
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| 02:33:29 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
ED CASSIDY WHO WAS THE CHIEF OF STAFF TO WHOM? >> REPRESENTATIVE DOC HASTINGS OF RICHMOND, WASHINGTON, SENATOR. >> HE WAS MAKING AN INQUIRY WHICH YOU...
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| 02:33:46 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
IMPROPER, BUT HE DIDN'T GO TOO FAR ONCE YOU PULLED BACK. IS THAT THE SUM AND SUBSTANCE OF WHAT
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| 02:33:56 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
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| 02:34:04 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
HAPPENED? >> I RECEIVED THE PHONE CALL AND CAREFULLY LISTENED TO WHAT HE SAID AND ASKED. HE ASKED ABOUT THE STAT IS OF THE CASE WHICH I GAVE HIM. >>...
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| 02:34:31 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
SAYING THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANY SOURCE REGARDING POTENTIAL CRIMINAL CONDUCT WEATHER IT BE VOTER FRAUD OR WHATEVER
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| 02:34:44 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
IT WOULD BE, SO
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| 02:34:46 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
THAT WAS PUBLICLY KNOWN. HAD WE BEEN INVESTIGATING THE CASE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE DISCUSSED IT FURTHER THAN THAT. I LAID THAT OUT FOR HIM. HE THEN PROCEEDED...
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| 02:35:33 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
THAT WASN'T PUBLIC. HE AGREED THAT THAT WAS NOT WHY HE WAS
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| 02:35:38 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
CALLING. >> I ASKED HIM THAT LEADING QUESTION. >> I DID. >> YOU GOT THE EXPECTED ANSWER. >> I DID. >> SO THAT PRETTY MUCH
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| 02:35:46 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
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| 02:35:47 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
ENDED IT. >> IT DID END THE CONVERSATION, AND I FELT IT WAS SENSITIVE, WANTED TO RELATE IT IMMEDIATELY, SO I CALLED IN THE CRIMINAL CHIEF THE MOMENT...
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| 02:36:00 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
AND ASKED IF
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| 02:36:01 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
THEY CONCURRED WITH
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| 02:36:03 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
ME
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| 02:36:04 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
THAT I HAD STOPPED THE CALL BEFORE IT CROSSED THE LINE. >>
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| 02:36:08 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
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| 02:36:09 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
YOU DID THAT BECAUSE YOU WANTED CORROBORATION OF YOUR CONCERN WITH OTHER OFFICIALS WHO WERE IN A POSITION TO EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH YOU? >> YES....
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| 02:36:31 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
I WANTED TO SEE IF THEY HAD THE SAME IMPRESSION THAT I DID, OR IF I HAD MISSED ANYTHING. >> THAT SOUNDS TO ME AS IF --
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| 02:36:43 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
AS WE LAWYERS SAY, YOU WERE PROTECTING THE RECORD. YOU WANTED TO BE ON RECORD AS HAVING CALLED THIS TO SOMEONE'S ATTENTION? >> NO. I DON'T RECALL HAVING...
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| 02:37:04 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
WAS TROUBLED BY THE CALL. I WANTED TO CONSULT WITH MY TWO MOST SENIOR ADVISERS ON THE IMPACT OF THAT CALL. I WANTED THEIR INPUT. >> IF THE CONVERSATION
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| 02:37:19 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
HAD GONE FURTHER -- IF YOU THOUGHT THAT THE CALL HAD BEEN IMPROPER, THAT IT CONTAINED QUESTIONS WHICH WERE IMPROPER, WOULD YOU HAVE REPORTED IT TO...
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| 02:37:42 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
WOULD. >> WHY WOULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT? >> I WAS AWARE OF THE DEPARTMENT POLICY TO REPORT SUCH CONTACTS AND IN FACT IS WHY I CALLED IN MY SENIOR PEOPLE...
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| 02:38:00 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
BY INTERRUPTING HIM. THEY AGREED
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| 02:38:04 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
WITH ME. WE DECIDED
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| 02:38:06 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
IT WAS NOT NECESSARY TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION. IF I WAS INTERESTED IN DOCUMENTING THAT, I WOULD HAVE CREATED A MEMORANDUM OF THAT, BUT I AM SURE MY FIRST...
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| 02:38:47 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
THAT HE SHOULD HAVE REPORTED TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THE CALLS HE GOT? >> HE IS HERE AND CAN SAY WHAT
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| 02:38:58 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
HE THINKS. I BELIEVE HE WISHES HE HAD DONE THAT. >> EXCUSE ME? >> I BELIEVE HE TESTIFIED THAT HE
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| 02:39:07 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
WISHED HE HAD DONE THAT. >> MR. CUMMINGS, I HAVE GONE OVER
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| 02:39:15 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
YOUR E-MAIL, AND I'M SEARCHING FOR THE SPECIFICS AS TO
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| 02:39:24 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
WHAT MR.
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| 02:39:26 |
McKay, John - U.S. Attorney
ELSTON STAYED TO YOU. THERE
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| 02:39:34 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
AREN'T SPECIFICS IN THE E-MAIL AS I READ IT. COULD YOU, REFERRING TO THE E-MAIL, SHOW WHERE -- WHAT YOU SAID HERE REFLECTED WHAT ELSTON SAID TO YOU? >>...
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| 02:40:19 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
IT MIGHT NOT BE SMART TO PUT THAT INTO AN E-MAIL, BUT I WAS BUSY AND DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE FIVE PHONE CALLS, AND I WANTED
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| 02:40:30 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
FIVE PEOPLE TO BE AWARE THAT THAT CONVERSATION HAD TAKEN PLACE. >>
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| 02:40:37 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
WHAT I AM GETTING AT, YOU HAVE GIVEN YOUR IMPRESSIONS AS TO WHAT ELSTON WAS TRYING TO DO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET AS PRECISE AS WE CAN WITH EXACTLY...
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| 02:40:58 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
A GOOD WITNESS IN A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION BECAUSE I WOULD TELL THE JURY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. YOU CAN CHARACTERIZE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT. I DON'T...
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| 02:41:13 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
INTENDED TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE. I THINK HE INTEND TO OBSERVE -- >> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. >> IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME. IT WAS BACK IN FEBRUARY 20TH....
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| 02:41:42 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
A CRIME. I THINK IT WAS
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| 02:41:44 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
MORE ABOUT PUBLICITY THAN TESTIMONY. THE TESTIMONY PART CAME IN AT THE END WHEN I WAS TRYING
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| 02:41:51 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
TO ASSURE HIM THAT PEOPLE HERE AND OTHERS WERE NOT TRYING TO STIR UP A
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| 02:41:56 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
CONTINUE VERSEY. THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE HERE, AND WE RESENTED THE FACT THAT THE SITUATION HAD BEEN CREATED TO PUT US HERE, THAT POTENTIALLY PUT...
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| 02:43:00 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
THINK THE CALL WAS DIRECTED, AT THE TIME,
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| 02:43:09 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
AT PUBLICITY. WE HAD BEEN QUOTED, AND THEY WERE FEELING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO
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| 02:43:15 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
STIR CONTROVERSY, AND IF YOU TOOK HIM AT HIS WORD THAT THEY WERE BEING MORE RESTRAINED
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| 02:43:22 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
THAN THEY COULD BE AND THEY WERE DOING IT ON OUR BEHALF TO PROTECT US AND WE NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE STIRRING THE POT. >> IT WASN'T...
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| 02:43:54 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
WAS SUGGESTING IT WAS AN IF. IF PEOPLE KEPT TALKING TO THE NEWSPAPERS, MORE WOULD BE DONE TO DEFEND THE ACTION. >> THAT IS IN EFFECT HIM
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| 02:44:06 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
SAYING TO YOU, IF THERE IS MORE INFORMATION COMING FROM THE U.S. ATTORNEYS THAT WERE ASKED TO RESIGN, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL HAVE TO RESPOND...
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| 02:44:26 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
IS A FAIR SUMMARY. SOME PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO INTERPRET THAT AS A THREAT. IT COULD ALSO BE FRIENDLY VICE. I HAVE SEEN THESE THINGS BEFORE AND IF IT KEEPS...
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| 02:44:47 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
FRIENDLY ADVISE, YOU WANT TO PASS IT ON TO OTHER PEOPLE SO YOU WOULD GET THE SENSE THAT IF THERE WAS MORE TALK TO THE NEWSPAPER, THERE WOULD BE A RESPONSE...
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| 02:45:07 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
JUSTICE, AND IF PEOPLE STOP TALKING, THERE WON'T BE RESPONSES TO THE TALK. >> I DON'T WANT TO ASK YOU TO REPEAT THAT, BUT CAN I TAKE A CRACK AT IT? I...
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| 02:45:34 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
LAMB AND TOMORROW THE WASHINGTON POST CALLED ME, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY HAD OH PINED THAT THINGS MIGHT GET MORE EMBARRASSING WITH THIS. >>...
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| 02:46:13 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
CALL. >> WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN, SENATOR SCHUMER WENT ON FOR 20 MINUTES IN A FIVE MINUTE ROUND. >> THE WITNESSES THEN
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| 02:46:22 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
DIDN'T HAVE TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE AT 2:00. I'M HAPPY TO KEEP GOING,
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| 02:46:29 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
IT'S JUST THAT THEY HAVE TO BE AT THE HOUSE BY 2:00. >>
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| 02:46:35 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
I'LL LET YOU GO SHORTLY. >> ON THE WASHINGTON POST STORY, DATED FEBRUARY 4TH, THERE IS
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| 02:46:42 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
A REFERENCE HERE TO PRESIDENTIAL ADVISER KARL ROVE WHO WAS
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| 02:46:57 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
THE PERSON TO REPLACE YOU,
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| 02:46:59 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
AND THE SPECULATION WAS, I'M GOING TO LEAD YOU A LITTLE HERE TO MAKE IT SHORTER. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ANYTHING IF IT'S...
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| 02:47:25 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
OF IT? >> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE PLAN WAS FOR
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| 02:47:29 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
MY SUCCESSOR. I'M NOT PRIVY TO THAT. >> WERE YOU AWARE THAT KARL ROVE'S FORMER AIDE WAS REPLACING YOU TO GROOM HIM FOR PUBLIC OFFICE? >> I HAVE NO...
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| 02:47:47 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
YOU THINK IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE FOR KARL ROVE'S FORMER ASSOCIATE TO REPLACE YOU AS U.S. ATTORNEY? >>
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| 02:47:56 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
I DON'T KNOW IF MY OPINION ON THAT IS RELEVANT.
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| 02:48:03 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
I SERVED AT THE PLEASURE OF THE PRESIDENT. I DON'T
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| 02:48:08 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
KNOW OF ANY REASON TIM GIVEN ISN'T QUALIFIED TO BE U.S. ATTORNEY. >> HIS QUALIFICATIONS HAVE TO
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| 02:48:17 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
BE DETERMINED BY SOMEONE ELSE. THE FINAL STATEMENT HERE. THE POLITICAL AS EXPECT OF IT SHOULDN'T BE A SHOCK TO ANYBODY. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THE POLITICAL...
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| 02:48:37 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
TOG THE FACT THAT TIM GRIFFIN HAS A POLITICAL BACKGROUND SHOULDN'T BE AN EARTH SHATTERING NEWS FLASH. I HAD A
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| 02:48:52 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
POLITICAL BACKGROUND. I HAD RUN FOR CONGRESS. DAVID AND JOHN HAD AND ANY NUMBER OF OUR COLLEAGUES. THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING IS THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU...
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| 02:49:55 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
INSIGHTFUL: . >> YES, SIR. >> I THANK YOU. I THANK YOU MR. MCKAY AND MISS LAMB. THIS IS NOT AN EASY THING FOR YOU TO
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| 02:50:14 |
Cummins, H. "Bud" E. III - U.S. Attorney
DO, TO COME FORWARD AND TESTIFY. THE THREE OF US ARE LAWYERS HERE, A COUPLE
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| 02:50:22 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
OF
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| 02:50:24 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
FORMER PROSECUTORS, WE UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TODAY. >> WELL, THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU SENATOR SPECTER. I AM...
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| 02:50:52 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
ONE SCBREPTION OF THE MEMO. BOTH MISS MCKAY
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| 02:51:02 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
AND MR.
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| 02:51:04 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
EGLACIUS HAS DIFFERENT TERMS OF
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| 02:51:07 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
THE MEMO. WE WILL NOT DRAW CONCLUSIONS TODAY, THAT'S NOT OUR PURPOSE. IN CONCLUSION, I WANT TO THANK ALL THE WITNESSES. I THINK YOU HAVE PROVEN THE...
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| 02:51:48 |
Schumer, Charles E. - U.S. Senator, [D] New York
BEEN SUBPOENAED ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE WORD GRAND STANDING IS INAPPROPRIATE. I WOULD SAY TO THE ADMINISTRATION, THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY BY INTIMIDATING...
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