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TODAY I'M VERY, VERY PLEASEED TO INTRODUCE TWO OUTSTANDING GENTLEMEN WHO HAVE SPENT YEARS WRITING A BOOK THAT WILL BECOME NOBODY -- KNOWN FOR A VERY...
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THAT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN FOUR YEARS. WHY DID YOU DO THIS? >> FIRST LET ME THANK PROFESSOR AND HARVARD LAW SCHOOL FOR INVITING US HERE. WE'RE VERY HONORED...
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| 00:06:03 |
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OGLETREE I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME. IRONICALLY LAST NIGHT AND THIS SHOWS YOU SOME OF THE REACH ONE OF OUR COLLEAGUES IN WA HAD -- IN...
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| 00:07:31 |
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WOULD GO TO
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| 00:07:32 |
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PLACES. SOCIAL EVENTS. WE REMEMBER ONE PARTICULAR OCCASION WHERE WE WERE AT A GOING AWAY PARTY OF A COLLEAGUE OF OURS KEN COOPER WHO HAPPENS TO ACTUALLY...
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| 00:09:05 |
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OWNED RESTAURANT BUT HAD BLACK HERITAGE THEME. ONCE
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| 00:09:09 |
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PEOPLE DISCOVERED IT WAS WHITE OWNED PEOPLE STOPPED GOING AND CLIENT TELL DROPPED OFF AND THE OWNER COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT AND HE BROUGHT SOME FRIENDS...
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| 00:10:15 |
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PLUS MOST INFLUENTIAL BLACKS IN AMERICA. AGAIN, YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR IT LISTS EVERYONE PROMINENT. ALMOST EVERY FIELD. JUSTICE THOMAS UNLIKE JUSTICE...
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| 00:11:08 |
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DID IT DURN AND THAT'S THE -- TURN AND THAT'S THE QUESTION WE WANTED TO ANSWER AND LOOK AT AGAIN HOW THOMAS PROCESSES ALL OF THAT. >> AS MIKE SAID THERE...
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| 00:11:25 |
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KNOW OF. AND I THINK IT ALSO AFFECTS HIM I MEAN, HE TALKS ABOUT HOW HE'S NOT BOTHERED BY IT
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| 00:11:35 |
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BUT IN FACT WE INTERVIEWED A NUMBER OF PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM, INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE COURT WHO SAYS HE ABOUT IT AND THINKS ABOUT IT MUCH MORE...
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| 00:14:19 |
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WEB DEBIS AND THOSE EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A STRUGGLE ANDMANNY PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, HAD VIEWPOINTS NOT NECESSARILY SIMILAR TO THOMAS'S...
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| 00:16:35 |
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UNTENABLE. IS HIS RED DNS MORE BECAUSE HE IS A JUDGE AND JUDGES DON'T SPEAK OUT? BECAUSE HE WAS OUTSPOKEN AS HOLY CROSS, OUTSPOKEN AT YALE, OUTSPOKEN...
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| 00:17:09 |
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EARLY IN THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION, HE BATTLED INTURNLY. HE WAS FIGHTING PUSHING BACK AGAINST DRUCONIAN RAGSEN INITIATIVES ONE WAS THE BOB JONES UNIVERSITY...
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| 00:18:15 |
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YEARS, VERY DIFFERENT JUSTICE. WILLING TO SPEAK OUT, IN WRITING, TAKE A POSITION, FURTHER THAN OTHERS MIGHT TAKE, AS, AS A BOOK THAT CAME OUT JUST...
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| 00:20:29 |
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FIRST, HE'S THE ONE WITH THE OUTICIZED PERSONAL PERSONALITY, HE'S THE ONE THAT SPEAKS OVON THE COURT. HE'S WITTY, HE'S WITTY IN HIS WRITINGS AND SHARP...
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| 00:22:52 |
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AMAZING OPINIONS ON TAX AND OTHER AREAS, HE WAS NOT LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO TAKE THE LEAD EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD MORE EXPERIENCE, MORE SENIORITY,...
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| 00:23:58 |
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EITHER EVIDENCE OR, TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY
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| 00:24:02 |
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DON'T KNOW ABOUT HIM, OR SOME EVIDENCE TO VALIDATE WHAT THEY ALREADY THINK ABOUT HIM. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, WE SO MUCH WE DIDN'T COME AT THIS BOOK...
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| 00:25:31 |
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YOUR AGENDA? HERE ARE TWO BLACK MEN WHO, HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER SINCE DAYS IN COLLEGE, WORKING FOR THIS LIBERAL MEDIA. HOW CAN THEY EVEN EXPECT YOU TO...
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| 00:26:25 |
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RIGHT. BROOKLYN TECH. A MAGNET SCHOOL IN BROOKLYN, NEW YORK. AND SO YOU GO THROUGH AND YOU UNDERSTAND CERTAIN IN THES AND THERE'S A CERTAIN EMPATHY...
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| 00:26:43 |
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CONSCIOUS GUY. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT LIKE A GAY
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| 00:26:45 |
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WHO IS POST RACE. SOMETIMES YOU GET BLACK CONSERVATIVES WHO FEEL LIKE RACE IS NO LONGER RELEVANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. CLARENCE THOMAS LOOKS AT HIS...
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| 00:27:31 |
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IN? >> SEAT PLEASANT, MARYLAND, AND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF BASKETBALL SEASON. AND SO YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A TOUGH ONE FOR, FOR US. IN, WE WERE BUSSED...
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| 00:27:49 |
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SUDDENLY
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| 00:27:50 |
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BECAME 19% OF
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| 00:27:51 |
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THE WHITE SCHOOL'S POPULATION. SO THAT DIDN'T
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| 00:27:53 |
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FEEL LIKE MUCH EQUALITY WAS REALLY HAPPENING. IT FELT LIKE WE WERE REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ON THE FLUNTLINES OF THE BATTLE. YOU KNOW? AND AGAINST DEEP...
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| 00:30:05 |
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IS THAT MOST PEOPLE FOCUS ON CLARANCE THOMAS, THE CONFIRMATION HEARINGS AND SOME OF THEM FOCUS ON HIS SORT OF ALJURE HISS -- UPBRINGING AND LESS ON OPINIONS...
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| 00:31:17 |
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AGAINST REAGAN BUT AFTER THE CONFIRMATION HEARING I BELIEVE HE CUT HIMSELF OFF FROM MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY AND SIMULTANEOUSLY, HE WAS EMBRACED BY THE RIGHT....
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| 00:32:15 |
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BIG SPEECH AT THE AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE DINNER, AND YOU LOOK AT THE CROWD, AND IT'S
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| 00:32:19 |
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LIKE 95% WHITE, 99% WHITE. WE HAD THE STRANGE EXPERIENCE OF BEING AT A SPEECH THAT HE GAVE, IT WAS ACTUALLY A TOAST. HE WAS A THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER ...
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| 00:34:36 |
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ABOUT MALE INFLUENCE, BLACK MALE INFLUENCE ON JUSTICE THOMAS AND THOMAS'S INFLUENCE ON THE NEXT GENERATION OF BLACK MEN? >> HE EARN LEARNED FROM POIN...
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| 00:35:07 |
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HIS GRANDFATHER, WHO, WHO HAD A, A WOOD AND ICE DELIVERY BUSINESS, AND BUT HE WAS KIND OF A MIDDLE-CLASS GUY. HE'D GIVE THEM THE RULES OF THE GAME IN...
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| 00:36:50 |
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SUPRISEDDING THAT YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THOMAS OR YOU DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE PROCESS YOU FIND NEW THING SAID AND HOW DID THAT INFLUENCE YOUR ABILITY TO...
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| 00:37:25 |
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THEY HAD ENOUGH VOTES BUT THEN THE ALLEGATIONS OF ANITA HILL CHANGED EVERYTHING. AND 16 YEARS AGO, THERE'S BEEN NO REAL SMOKING GUN, AS WE CALL IT,...
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| 00:40:20 |
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CLOSE FRIENDS, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF ANITA PILL'S ALLEGATIONS AND PEOPLE SAY THOMASPABLYY COULD NOT HAVE DONE THOSE THINGS. I MODIFY MY OWN LANGUAGE...
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| 00:41:37 |
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ASKING WHETHER HE SHOULD, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT JUSTICE THOMAS WILL CHANGE? NOW LET ME GIVE YOU -- YOU WERE ABOUT TO ANSWER QUICKLY. LET ME GIVE...
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| 00:43:28 |
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BUT I TELL YOU WHAT. CLARANCE THOMAS HAS STAKED KIND OF HIS JUDICIAL LEGACY REALLY THE ORIGINALISM, TO THE IDEA OF KIND OF YIELDING STRICTLY TO THE...
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| 00:44:36 |
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COURT MOVING MORE TO, TOWARD THE
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| 00:44:38 |
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RIGHT. AND HE'S IN MORE MAJORITY DECISION, MAYBE THAT WILL HAPPEN. HIS WRITING CHANGES SOME. MAYBE HE WRITES MORE. CONSTITUTIONALLY SIGNIFICANT OPINIONS....
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| 00:45:27 |
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ISSUES. NOW, HERE, WHILE THOMAS IS NO
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| 00:45:30 |
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ADVOCATE FOR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, HE BELIEVES THAT RACISM IS ALIVE AND INESCAPABLE. RIGHT? I MEAN, SO, YOU TALK US ABOUT HIS OPINIONS IN JENKINS v....
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| 00:46:34 |
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CLEARLY, HERE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS RISEN AND HE HAS BENEFITED FROM RACE, BUT IT HAS HAD THE EFFECT OF WOUNDING HIM AND MAKING HIM EVEN MORE SECURE ABOUT...
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| 00:47:56 |
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HE TALKS ABOUT THAT BUT HE REALLY WAS SCARRED WHEN HE WAS THRUST INTO WHITE ENVIRONMENTS. HE WENT TO A JUNIOR SEMINARY FOR HIGH SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS STUDYING...
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| 00:49:43 |
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THOMAS SEES RACISM AS FACT OF LIFE AND THINKS AFRICAN-AMERICANS NEED TO GET USED TO THAT, GIRD THEMSELVES FOR THAT, AND PREPARE THEMSELVES
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| 00:49:51 |
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FOR BATTLE AND THE WAY YOU DO THAT IS NOT BY IS ASKING WHY PEOPLE FOR HELP BUT TO DOING THINGS YOURSELF TO IMPROVE YOUR OWN LIFE. THAT'S HIS TAKE. HE...
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| 00:50:22 |
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EXPERIENCED MORE SCRUTINY. AND YOU BOTH EXPRESSED SCRUTINY
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| 00:50:26 |
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OR EMPATHY FOR HIM BUT I WOND HOUR A YOUNG BLACK LAWYER, PARTICULARLY A WOMAN, SHOULD FEEL ABOUT CLARENCE THOMAS WHEN IN READING HIS OPINIONS AND LOOKING...
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| 00:51:13 |
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RACIAL PRESCRIPTIONS ARE VERY INDIVIDUAL AND VERY PERSONAL. HE JUST DOESN'T SEE THE MECHANISM OF GOVERNMENT OR LAW REALLY BEING THE VEHICLE FOR SORT...
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| 00:51:53 |
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WAS BACK IN 1992 SHORTLY AFTER HE CAME ON TO THE COURT, AND HE REALLY KIND OF CHIDED HIM AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN A SENSE, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A, A ...
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| 00:54:00 |
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NUMBER TWO, THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS OF BIZARRE ACCUSATIONS ABOUT CLARENCE THOMAS, STARTING WITH ANITA HILL. AND GOING
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| 00:54:08 |
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THROUGH MR. HIGGINBOTHAM, WHO MADE -- ABOUT HIM BEING MARRIED TO A WHITE WOMAN, PARTICULARLY SLEAZY ACCUSATION. AND WE NOW COME TO PROFESSOR OGLETREE,...
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| 00:55:34 |
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THAT, THAT, I THINK
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| 00:55:36 |
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THAT THE, YOU KNOW, HE SHOULD BE IN THE 100 MOST INFLUENTIAL AFRICAN-AMERICANS. IRONICALLY, WE HAD, A KIND OF A CONVERSATION, THERE'S A NEW EDITOR AT...
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| 00:55:52 |
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JUST CERTAINLY IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU JUDGE POWER,
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| 00:55:54 |
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I THINK THEY HAVE THE POWER 100 NOW, BUT I AGREE. I THINK IT'S, IT'S RIDICULOUS NOT TO HAVE HIM IN THE TOP 100 MOST INFLUENTIAL AFRICAN-AMERICANS....
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| 00:57:39 |
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WOMAN IN AMERICA BECAUSE OF LOVE -- UNTIL LOVING v. VIRGINIA, A 1967 SUPREME COURT CASE THAT CHANGED THE -- LAWS AND THAT WAS HIS CONTEXT AMONG OTHER...
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| 00:58:14 |
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THE INCREDIBLE MENTOR THAT JUSTICE THOMAS IS TO HIS CLERKESS. HE SPECIFICALLY
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| 00:58:20 |
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MENTIONED JUSTICE THOMAS TAKE AGROAD TRIP OVER
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| 00:58:23 |
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AN ENTIRE WEEKEND DOWN TO GETTYSBURG WITH HIS FOUR CLERKS AND IN SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE PROFESSORS, WHO AGAIN, HAVE NOT BEEN CLERKS FOR JUSTICE THOMAS...
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| 00:59:10 |
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ACCESSIBLE PERSONALITY AROUND THE COURT. HE'LL GO TO LUNCH WITH THEM, AND LIKE YOU SAID, MENTOR THEM. I ONCE ATTEND ADGRADUATION WHERE A LAW SCHOOL...
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| 01:00:11 |
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THEY'RE EXTREMELY LOYAL. ONE OF HIS FEMALE CLERKS, FORMER CLERKS WHO WAS ENDED UP WORKING IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION TOLD US THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE...
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| 01:01:16 |
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BUT ARGUABLY, HE'S ALSO BEEN A BENEFIT OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BECAUSE HAD HE BEEN DECLAREANCE THOMAS AND NOT BEEN A BLACK ATTORNEY AND NOT BEEN A BLACK...
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| 01:01:34 |
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ONE, WHEN IT COMES TO AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, HE DOESN'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE WAS A BENEFICIARY OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. AS OBVIOUS AS IT MAY SEEM TO OTHER...
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| 01:01:52 |
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FORMER CLASSMATESINATE AUDIENCE A FELLOW BLACK STUDENT WHO SAID I BARELY RECOGNIZE YOU, CLARENCE THOMAS. HOW CAN YOU -- HOW CAN YOU RULE THE WAY YOU...
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| 01:03:04 |
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LIKELY HE WOULD'VE BEEN A POLITICIAN RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, A, A, A LIFE APPOINTED JUSTICE ON THE SUPREME COURT. TO WHAT EXTENT IS HE WHERE HE HAD...
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| 01:03:55 |
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CLARENCE THOMAS HE LAUGHS IT OFF AND SAID I WOULD HAVE A STRANGE CAREER PATH. THERE IS -- THOUGHT IS ODD. THERE IS NO PRECEDENT TO GO TO DEPARTMENT...
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| 01:04:39 |
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WORLD. HIS GRANDFATHER HAD HOPED AFTER HE DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE THE SEMINARY AND IT LEGALLY CAUSED AN ESTRANGEMENT WITH HIS GRANDFATHER. HIS GRANDFATHER...
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| 01:05:46 |
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CONTINUE IS BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES HE
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| 01:05:48 |
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NOT DEFEND HIMSELF, BUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY DOESN'T COME TO HIS DEFENSE. IN THE WAY THAT IT SEEMS RACIST. AND THE BLACK COMMUNITY COMES TO THE DEFENSE...
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| 01:06:37 |
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LIBERAL, BUT THEY LOVE ME. AND HE FINDS IT PUZZLING BUT IT IS IN PART OF A HISTORY, A HISTORY OF STRUGGLE BY AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY, THE...
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| 01:08:06 |
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| 01:08:08 |
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OTHER, AND SPOKE WITH HIM AND IT CHANGED ANDY YOUNG'S
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| 01:08:13 |
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VOUPT. AND ANDY YOUNG IS A PIVTLE FIGURE IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT
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| 01:08:18 |
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AND ONE OF KICK'S CLOSEST CONFIDAUNTS AND HE THOUGHT HE WOULD DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP WITH THOMAS SULT OF THAT. NOT THAT HE WAS NECESSARILY GOING TO...
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| 01:09:14 |
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AND GOTTEN MORE PLAY FOR THAT BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT SHIFTING AT ALL ATTITUDES TOWARDS HIM. >> THANK YOU. >> GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR...
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| 01:09:26 |
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SAY THAT WE ARE POLAR OPPOSITES. CLARENCE THOMAS IS MY LEAST FAVORITE JUSTICE. [LAUGHTER] WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU
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| 01:09:40 |
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IS DURING
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| 01:09:41 |
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THE CONFIRMATION HEARINGS AND THE WHOLE ISSUE WITH ANITA HILL AND WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD BECOME A JUSTICE, I CAN REMEMBER A LAWYER HERE IN BOSTON...
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| 01:10:50 |
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HOLY CROSS WAS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE GUYS, WITH EDDIE JENKINS AND A GROUP WITH TED WELLS, AND THOMAS IS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE BLACK STUDENT UNION. ...
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| 01:11:04 |
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| 01:11:05 |
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CROSS. HE WAS ACTIVE
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| 01:11:10 |
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IN STUDENT WALKOUTS AND A FREE BREAKFAST PROGRAM SO CLARENCE THOMAS HAD KIND OF -- HE HAD THAT PROFILE IN ONE WAY AT HOLY CROSS. IN ANOTHER WAY, THOUGH,...
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| 01:12:08 |
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MAGAZINE. WE HAVE ONE OF OUR EARLY INTERVIEWS
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| 01:12:10 |
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IN PINPOINT WE WERE DOWN THERE 9 WIN WIN. -- 911. IN FACT,
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| 01:12:18 |
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911, WE WERE SCHEDULED TO INTERVIEW THOMAS'S MOTHER THAT DAY. AND OBVIOUSLY, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND IT JUST TCHANGED EVERYTHING. IT TOOK US A LOT LONGER...
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| 01:13:41 |
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PERSON ACOMPLEX TIME IN OUR HISTORY. A PLEASE JOIN ME IN THANKING THEM FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. [APPLAUSE] >>
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| 01:13:55 |
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AND THE BOOKS WILL BE SIGNED. NOW YOU CAN GET YOUR BOOKS AND LINE UP HERE AND THEY WILL SIGN THEM MOMENTARILY. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. . .
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| 01:14:17 |
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