The basic problem with it, it doesn't balance the budget. If you forecast it out, we still have a significant deficit under each of their plans, as...

I grew up 5 blocks from Arkansas. Let's put it in perspective. It's a beautiful state. It's a fairly rural state. It has a population less than Chicago...

It's irrelevant.

(Laughter)

No, no, no, but I could say, you know, that I ran a small grocery store on the corner, therefore I extrapolate that into the fact that I can run Wal-Mart....

Mr. President, let's move to some of the leadership concerns that have been voiced about you. And they relate to something you said in your closing...

Well, it's just that -- you've spoken to it. I mean, but the idea, not so much in specifics, but that it has to be a crisis before it gets your attention.

Do you think that's true, Mr. Perot?

You don't think this is an issue?

Well, then, let's phrase -- I'll phrase it differently, then. He said the other night in his closing words in Richmond that one of the key things that...

No, no, no, no, no.

(Laughter)

But my question to you is, so -- if you have nothing to say about it, fine, I'll go to Governor Clinton,...

All right. Governor, what do you think?

Mr. President?

I have to -- we have to talk about Ross Perot now or he'll get me, I'm sure. Mr. Perot, on this issue that I have raised at the very beginning and we've...

Governor, do you have a response to the staying- the-course question about Mr. Perot?

Mr. President, do you have a response?

Yes.

Governor, what about that charge? Do you want it both ways on this issue?

Mr. Perot, based on your experience at General Motors, where do you come down on this? This has been thrown about, back and forth, during this campaign...

Just for the record, though, Mr. Perot, I take it, then, from your answer, you do not have a position on whether or not enforcing the CAFE standards...

Okay.

So that means -- in other words, you agree with President Bush; is that right?

Yes, sir.

Governor, quick answer on trade and I want to go on to something else.

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We've got about 4 --

The governor --

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Is there an equal time rule tonight?

Or do you just keep lunging in at will? I thought we were going to have equal time, but maybe I just have to interrupt the other 2. Is that the way...

Now that we've talked all around the problem about free trade, let's go again to the center of the bull's- eye.

I do, I do.

I just want to make -- foreign lobbyists, this whole thing. Our country has sold out to foreign lobbyists. We don't have free trade. Both parties have...

Now give me 1 second...

I've volunteered. Now, look, I'm just kind of a, you know, cur dog here; I was put on the ballot by the people, not special interests. So I have to...

But if they do -- if they do, it's easy to fix. If you all want the enterprise zones, why don't we pass the dang thing and do it, right?

Governor Clinton, your credibility has come into question because of your different responses on the Vietnam draft. If you had it to do over again,...

A reminder now. We're back on the St. Louis rules, which means that the governor had his answer and then each of you will have 1 minute to respond....

Your minute is up, sir.

Mr. Perot, 1 minute.

All right. The next question goes to President Bush and Gene Gibbons will ask it. Gene.

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101 in leadership is be accountable for what you do. Let's go back to the tax and budget summit briefly. Nobody ever told the American people that we...

I'm watching the lights.

Mr. Perot, you've talked about going to Washington to do what the people who run this country want you to do. But it is the president's duty to lead,...

Governor Clinton, 1 minute.

President Bush, 1 minute.

All right, we're going to go on to another subject now, and the subject is priorities. The first question goes to you, President Bush, and Susan will...

Well, I come from the computer business, and everybody knows the women are more talented than the men. So we have a long history of having a lot of...

Well, where are the papers?

Where are the papers?

If you have time, go through Nexis and Lexis, pull all the old news articles, look at what Ambassador Glaspie said all through the fall and what-have-you,...

Mr. Perot, what proof do you have that Saddam Hussein was told that he could have the -- do you have any actual proof or are you asking for the papers?...

Governor Clinton, you have 1 minute.

Mr. President, you have a moment -- a minute, I'm sorry.

All right, the next question goes to Governor Clinton, and Gene Gibbons will ask it. Gene?

Well, nobody's gotten into the real issue yet on the savings and loan again -- nobody's got a business background, I guess. The whole problem came up...

Mr. Perot, aside from the deficit, what government policy or policies do you really want to do something about? What really sticks in your craw about...

Governor Clinton, you have one minute. Governor?

President Bush, one minute.

Sir?

Yes, exactly. Well, to respond to the subject that Mr. Perot mentioned.

All right.

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Next question goes to Governor Clinton. You have 2 minutes, Governor, and Susan will ask it.

So I'm the only one that's untarnished at this point?

I'm sure I'll do it before it's over.

(Laughter)

Key thing here, see, we all come up with images. Images don't fix anything. I think --...

Mr. President, why have you dropped so dramatically in the leadership polls, from the high 80s to the 40s? And you have said that you will do anything...

Mr. Perot, you have --

Mr. Perot -- sorry, excuse me, sir. Mr. Perot, you have one minute.

No, Governor Clinton has a minute after you. Then we have the closing statements.

Right.

Governor Clinton, one minute.

All right. Now, that was the final question and answer and we now go to the closing statements. Each candidate will have up to 2 minutes. The order...

President Bush, your closing statement, sir.

Mr. Perot, your closing statement, sir.

All right, thank you, Mr. Perot; thank you, Mr. President; thank you, Governor Clinton -- for being with us tonight and in the previous debates. Thank...