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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Good evening from the Mahaffey Theater at the Bayfront Center in St. Petersburg, Florida. I'm Jim Lehrer of the "News Hour" on PBS. Welcome to the 1996... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Wow, in 90 seconds? I can't clear my throat in 90 seconds. Jim, Bob Dole and myself do not see Al Gore and Bill Clinton as our enemy. We see them as... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President? |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Thank you, Mr. Lehrer. And I would like to thank the people of St. Petersburg for being such wonderful hosts. My family and I are very glad to be here... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
It's a deal. I can't even pronounce it. |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
What I do want to talk about tonight is Bill Clinton's positive plan for America's future. We have a plan to balance the budget while protecting Medicare,... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
I really only got two differences with Bill Clinton -- Vice President Clinton and Mr. Gore, foreign policy and domestic policy. Our foreign policy is... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, what do you see as the political philosophy differences in a general way between you and President Clinton on the one hand, Mr.... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
The differences are very clear. We have a positive plan based on three principles. We want to provide opportunity for all Americans. We insist on responsibility... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Jim, this economy is overtaxed, overregulated, too many people suing each other, there's too much litigation. Our education is not up to the standards... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
I talked about the positive agenda for the future a moment ago. Your original answer was about the contrast. The plan from Senator Dole and Mr. Kemp... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, back to the philosophy question. Do you think there's a basic philosophy difference between these two tickets, or is it about specifics, which... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, this is a perfect example. Bob Dole and I want to cut the tax rates across the board on each and every American, working, saving, investing and... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
This risky tax scheme would blow a hole in the deficit. You don't have to take my word for it. "Time," "Newsweek," "U.S. News & World Report," "Business... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Every time this country in the 20th Century has cut tax rates across the board, revenues went up, the economy grew, and I am surprised at this point... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, should federal government Affirmative Action programs be continued? |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Yes. President Clinton addressed this issue when he said, "Mend it, don't end it." Diversity is a great strength in America. Look around the world at... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Jim, my position on Affirmative Action has been clear ever since I left the professional football career for Congress in 1970. Some people think I quit... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President. |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
With all due respect, I do not believe that Abraham Lincoln would have adopted Bob Dole's position to end all affirmative action. There is a specific... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, what is your position? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
That red light means we're supposed to stop? |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Right. |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
You thought that was going to be your problem, not mine. [ Laughter ] |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Yeah, right. I can't believe I'm keeping within the time limit. |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, do we have a serious race problem in the United States right now? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Yeah, we really do. Um, this country has yet to deal with the type of exclusionary policies. It is so very important for Americans, white and black,... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Remember what I said just a moment ago. If it were not so, he would have told you. The problems between races in America must be addressed. The good... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, with all due respect, Jim, there are nine empowerment zones, a few little tinkering with tax credits around the country for inner cities. Los... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, if re-elected, what would, what could we look forward to in the way of an inner city policy from a Clinton/Gore second term? |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Before I answer that specific question, let me say that we did put an empowerment zone in South Central, Los Angeles. It is in the form of the largest... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, we've had four years and there's no enterprise zone. There are empowerment zones, but you have to do what Bill Clinton and Al Gore want you to... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Well, we have 105 empowerment zones and enterprise communities all across the United States of America, and with all due respect, that's 105 more than... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, you said recently that one of the problems related to this was that all the capital was in the hands of the white people. What did you mean... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
The single greatest problem in our opinion, domestic -- in the domestic economy, is that this tax code, 83 years old, a relic of the Cold War and Hot... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
The problem with this version of my Niagara Falls is that Senator Dole and Mr. Kemp would put the economy in a barrel and send it over the falls. [... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Jim, a $550-billion tax cut, this is something that Al does not want to mention, has to be viewed against the context of a $50-trillion U.S. economy... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, what about Mr. Kemp's point that he's made a couple of times that what we need is to throw away the current -- the present tax code... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
We've passed the Taxpayer Bill of Rights. We have fought for new provisions that now make it possible to file over the telephone. We are fighting for... |
| 00:34:191 min. |
Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
You only get a tax cut in the Clinton administration if you do exactly what Al Gore and Bill Clinton want you to do. That's not America. When John F.... |
| 00:35:2941 sec. |
Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
The chairman of their national campaign steering committee, Senator D'Amato, said that Bob Dole would have to cut into Medicare in order to pay for... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, is it really possible to balance the budget without reforming drastically the entitlements programs, including Social Security and Medicare? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Before I answer that, Jim, let me just say it is disgraceful, the campaign being waged to scare the American senior citizens, in this state and my home... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
One other one in there, isn't there? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
about Medicare Yeah, Maryland now. The amount of money being spent to try to mislead the American people is demagoguery, and only in the Clinton White... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Mr. Lehrer, our balanced budget plan extends the Medicare Trust Fund ten years into the future. A commission is fine, but a commission would not do... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Jim, Medicare is too important to senior citizens around this country to play the type of politics that is being played on this issue. It is losing... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, Mr. Kemp has accused you of demagoguery. |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Well, as I said before, he used much harsher language when he talked about Bob Dole. He said that Bob Dole's solution for every single problem was to... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Folks, they have no plan. They have absolutely no plan. The President himself suggested that the reduction in the growth of Medicare over the next five... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
I think Mr. Kemp has unintentionally made a mistake in saying that President Clinton called for reduction of -- to 6 percent or whatever you said. I... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, what, if anything, would a Dole/Kemp administration do to change the current legal status of abortion in this country? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
I will answer the question, but for the record, I would like to release the letter to our friends in the press of the letter I got from "Money" magazine,... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President? |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
President Clinton has made it clear that he will sign legislation outlawing procedures such as this if there is a -- an exception to protect the health... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
There is no consensus. A constitutional amendment would not pass. We must use persuasion, not intimidation. Bob Dole and Jack Kemp will try to remind... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, is the war in Bosnia really over, or is it going to break out again once the U.S. and the NATO troops leave? |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
The fighting has stopped in Bosnia. President Clinton showed tremendous courage, vision, wisdom, and leadership in having our country take the lead... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Bob Dole supported the deployment of troops in Bosnia, but the problem with the foreign policy in this administration, there is none. It is ambiguous,... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
We did, of course, consult with our allies before we bombed Saddam Hussein, but sometimes the United States has to take unilateral action when our interests... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, Senator Dole has criticized the President on Haiti, that he handled that wrong. What did he do wrong? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, it was Bob Dole that suggested that there be a fact-finding commission. President Carter was on it. Colin Powell was on it. You cannot say, in... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Well, I didn't hear anything wrong. The fact is, we restored democracy to Haiti. When I say "restored" actually, it's the first real democracy that... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Many more results like Bosnia and Haiti and Mexico, and the Middle East, and we won't have much success. One of the most serious -- one of the most... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, Mexico, we caused the problem, then had to go in and bail them out? |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
No, that's not right. When Mr. Kemp started talking about the Golden Rule, I thought he was going to talk about the gold standard again. That used to... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
It's unbelievable that we could cause a drop in the standard of living of a friendly country like Mexico by nearly 40 to 50 percent. Unemployment goes... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Well, I fail to understand the basis of the charge that we caused the monetary crisis in Mexico. They managed their own monetary policy. Years ago,... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, Senator Dole the other night criticized President Clinton for cutting defense spending and, thus, cutting jobs in California. Is that how... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
I don't think, Jim, that Bob Dole was suggesting that the defense of our country is a jobs or a socioeconomic program, but it's clear that the defense... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Well, first of all, there are virtually no large differences in the defense budgets put forward by President Clinton and put forward by the majority... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Jim, Al has to hear one more time. Every time in this century we've lowered the tax rates across-the-board on employment, on saving, investment, and... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, some Democrats have charged that the environment would be in jeopardy if Mr. Kemp and Senator Dole are elected. Do you share that... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
I certainly do. In citing John F. Kennedy's tax cut in the 1960s, I want to also remind you that, Mr. Kemp, pointed out in the past, Bob Dole was in... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
And so will Bob Dole. I mean, Al, get real. Franklin Roosevelt said in 1932 that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. The only thing, Jim,... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
There are lots of jobs to be created in cleaning up the environment. All around the world we're seeing problems that people want to solve because they... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, you mentioned it already before and you said on "Meet the Press" Sunday that the federal government engages in "regulation reign of terror."... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, exactly just what I said. Regulations that would take property or reduce the value of some farmer or rancher or homeowner's property for wetlands... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Well, it takes values that recognize the importance of the environment. Mr. Kemp voted against the Clean Water Act, voted against the renewal of the... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
When I went to Congress from Buffalo in 1970, you could almost walk across Lake Erie because of the pollution. Today, thanks to the secondary and tertiary... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, does the government of the -- of the United States has now operated by the Clinton Administration operate on a reign of terror,... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
No, of course not. We're taking a brand new approach to eliminate unnecessary regulations, unnecessary bureaucracy. We've got lots of examples of this... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, we have to have the type of economic prosperity that will allow us to generate the revenues to provide this technology. 10% of all the emissions... |
| 01:10:1141 sec. |
Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Well, the economy is growing very strongly right now. We've had 10.5 million new jobs created just in the last four years. In the last quarter, the... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
What measurement do you use, Mr. Kemp, in saying the economy is not growing the way it should be? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, as I said earlier, Jim, it takes two bread winners to do what one breadwinner could have done just a relatively few short few years ago. As long... |
| 01:12:431 min. |
Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
We've had the creation of more new small businesses in the last four years in each of the last three years than in any other year in all of American... |
| 01:13:5045 sec. |
Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Four years too late. You told us that four years ago. And we still don't have it. How can we trust an administration that, all of a sudden, four years... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr Vice President, Senator Dole raised the same question to President Clinton the other night about keeping promises made. What is your reaction to... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
President Bill Clinton promised to create 8 million jobs. He's created 10 and a half million new jobs. He's promised to cut the budget deficit in half.... |
| 01:16:261 min. |
Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, to say that this is the best economy in 30 years just staggers the imagination. We have a growth rate of the last four years of about two and... |
| 01:17:3934 sec. |
Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
We are demolishing the outdated projects that did not work and we're replacing them with new units that do work. And we have private vouchers so that... |
| 01:18:1319 sec. |
Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, uh some are saying these days that something's gone terribly wrong with the American soul, that we've become too mean, too selfish, too uncaring... |
| 01:18:321 min. |
Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Civility, responsibility, racial reconciliation, healing the wounds of our country has to be one of the greatest, most singularly important goals for... |
| 01:20:101 min. |
Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
I think Mr. Lehrer, that throughout most of his career, Jack Kemp has been a powerful and needed voice against the kind of coarseness and incivility... |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, I thank you, Al. I mean that very, very sincerely, but I'm trying to make a bigger point. That civility cannot return to our country unless every... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President, do you agree with that thesis that in order to solve the problem of civility, the problems in the American soul, you have to --... |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
I think that economics is one of the single most important parts of this problem. That's why we're focusing on tax credits, to hire 1 million more people... |
| 01:23:551 min. |
Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
There really is no separation between a strong community and a strong economy. And you can't have a strong economy without strong communities and strong... |
| 01:25:0635 sec. |
Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Well, Senator Dole has said he wants to abolish the Department of Education. He voted against the creation of Head Start. He vigorously opposed the... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Kemp, speaking of the family, where do you come down on it? Do you believe it should be repealed? The Family Leave Act? |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
I wouldn't have voted for it. It's in place. Their answer, this administration to every single problem is another regulation and another tax. Clearly,... |
| 01:27:251 min. |
Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
The question as I recall, it was about Family and Medical Leave. Here's how it works. If you have a child who is critically ill or has been seriously... |
| 01:28:3146 sec. |
Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Well, it was here before Bill Clinton and it will be here after Bill Clinton. Senator Tsongas a good friend of Senator Gore, Vice President Gore suggested... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Gentlemen, that was the last question, so now we go to the closing statements. There will be three minutes each and Mr. Kemp, you are first. |
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Kemp, Jack French - Vice Presidential Candidate
Thank you, Jim and thanks to the people of St. Petersburg for a fantastic hospitality and my friend, Al Gore, for a vigorous debate. I think this is... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Mr. Vice President? |
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Gore, Albert "Al" Jr. - Vice President
Thank you very much, Mr. Lehrer. Thanks again to the people of St. Petersburg and thanks again to Jack Kemp. I have enormous respect for Jack Kemp and... |
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Lehrer, Jim - Anchor
Thank you. (APPLAUSE) |