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SOPHIA, AND HIS UNCLE, SORDACE BIRCHARD, IN A HOUSE ON WILLIAMS STREET IN DELAWARE, OHIO. AS A CHILD, HIS FAVORITE THINGS INCLUDED MAKING SUGAR AND...
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AND OPENED ANOTHER FIRM. HAYES WAS ALSO BUSY SUPPORTING POLITICAL CANDIDATES SUCH AS THE WHIG PARTY'S ZACHARY TAYLOR AND WINFIELD SCOTT, AS WELL AS...
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30th, 1852. TWO MONTHS LATER, HE WROTE -- >> "THE DEAR FRIEND WHO IS TO SHARE WITH ME THE JOYS AND ILLS OF OUR EARTHLY BEING GROWS STEADILY NEARER...
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TRUE TO HER AS SHE IS TO ME." >> HAYES' INTEREST IN POLITICS CONTINUED TO FLOURISH AND, IN 1864, WHILE SERVING AS A GENERAL IN THE CIVIL WAR, HE WAS...
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REPRESENTATIVES. HE RESIGNED FROM THE ARMY AFTER THE WAR, AND SERVED THREE YEARS IN THE HOUSE, BEFORE BECOMING GOVERNOR OF OHIO. IN 1876, HE RECEIVED...
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NOMINATION. HIS ELECTION WAS CONTESTED. BUT AN ELECTORAL COMMISSION DETERMINED HAYES WON AND, ON MARCH 3rd, 1877, HE WAS SWORN INTO OFFICE. WILLIAM...
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EVER LEFT THE PRESIDENCY WITH LESS REGRET, LESS DISAPPOINTMENT, FEWER HEART
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BURNINGS, OR MORE GENERAL CONTENT WITH THE RESULT OF HIS TERM THAN I DO." (music)(music) (music)
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FOR NORTH AND SOUTH FOR EAST AND WEST (music) (music) FORGOTTEN HAYES AN HONEST PHRASE (music) (music) WITH MILLIONS IN THE CHORUS (music) (music)(music)...
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RUTHERFORD B. HAYES PRESIDENTIAL CENTER. AND ARI HOOGENBOOM, WHO HAS WRITTEN A BOOK, "RUTHERFORD B. HAYES, WARRIOR AND PRESIDENT." GENTLEMEN, START...
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AVAILABILITY. AND IT'S A 19th CENTURY TERM. WE DON'T USE IT VERY MUCH IN 20th CENTURY, ALTHOUGH HARDING HAS BEEN CALLED "THE AVAILABLE MAN." BUT HE...
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FIRST CHOICE. HE'S GOT PEOPLE IN OHIO. PEOPLE IN OHIO, HE
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WAS THE FAVORITE SON OF OHIO. >> HOW LONG WAS HE PRESIDENT? >> FOUR YEARS, 1877 TO 1881. >> AND, ROGER BRIDGES, THIS HAS SOME FAME TO IT RIGHT HERE....
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OF THIS
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INSTITUTION. AND THEY'VE HUNG
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HERE SINCE 1928. BUT THESE ARE THE GATES THAT WERE AROUND THE
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WHITE HOUSE WHEN HAYES WAS THERE, 1877 TO '81. >> AND ARI HOOGENBOOM, HOW DID YOU GET INTERESTED -- AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO NOW IS...
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HOUSE AND POST OFFICE. THEY WERE THE MOST IMPORTANT OFFICES, THE LARGEST OFFICES IN THE COUNTRY AT THAT TIME. AND, DURING THE HAYES ADMINISTRATION,...
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THAT IS THE MERIT SYSTEM, PEOPLE TAKING COMPETITIVE EXAMINATIONS, AND NONPOLITICAL APPOINTMENTS BEING MADE, IT WORKED. AND, WHEN TIME CAME FOR THE BIG...
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HISTORICAL SOCIETY, ALONG WITH PRIVATE CONTRIBUTIONS AND THAT SORT OF
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THING. >> WE WANT TO GET OUR AUDIENCE INVOLVED. THE NUMBERS ARE ON THE SCREEN AND YOU CAN BEGIN DIALING. WE'LL TRY TO TAKE SOME CALLS EITHER AS WE...
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ELECTION'S DISPUTED. AND, THE HAYES PEOPLE ARGUED THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE, WHO'S THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, OR THE PRESIDENT,...
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WAS A REPUBLICAN. THE ARGUMENT WAS, DOES THE HOUSE, DOES THE JOINT SESSION COUNT, DECIDE WHAT VOTES TO BE COUNTED, OR DOES THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE?...
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SIX-YEAR TERM, SUCH AS THE CONFEDERATES HAD USED DURING THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA
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PERIOD. >> THIS SOUNDS LIKE A SET-UP, AND I GUESS IT IS. BUT SOMEWHERE NEAR HERE IS THE ARI HOOGENBOOM MEMORIAL TREE. >> RIGHT THERE. THERE IT IS. >>...
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THERE? >> IT'S A GREAT TREE, IT'S A GREAT OAK TREE. >> WELL, THE
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REASON THERE'S A TREE NAMED AFTER ARI IS
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BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS TRADITION IN THE GROVE OF NAMING TREES
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AFTER EMINENT VISITORS, SUCH AS PRESIDENTS, VICE PRESIDENTS, JUSTICES OF
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THE SUPREME COURT,
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AND THOSE WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF RUTHERFORD B. HAYES. AND WE THINK THAT ARI'S BOOK DOES MORE
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TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF RUTHERFORD B. HAYES THAN ANYTHING
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IN RECENT MEMORY. >> HOW MANY TREES ARE NAMED AFTER PEOPLE
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HERE? >> WE HAVE ABOUT 50 TREES NAMED AFTER PEOPLE, INCLUDING ANOTHER TREE NAMED AFTER HAYES' FIRST SIGNIFICANT BIOGRAPHER, WILLIAMS. SO, WE'VE GOT...
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NOW, WHAT WAS ONCE A PET
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BURYING GROUND, BUT A SPOT WHERE THEY ENJOYED CONTEMPLATING WORLD EVENTS. AND IT WAS HAYES' FAVORITE SPOT. MOVED HERE, ACTUALLY,
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IN 1916 WHEN THE PLACE OPENED. HE HAD FORMERLY HAD
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BEEN BURIED IN OAKWOOD CEMETERY AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH. >> AND ABOUT THE HOUSE. HAVE YOU SPENT MUCH TIME, ARI HOOGENBOOM, IN THE HOUSE? >> NO. MY...
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HERE. IT WAS BUILT BY HIS UNCLE, AND HIS UNCLE ACTUALLY DID
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LIVE HERE ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE WHERE HAYES TO GET AWAY FROM THE HEAT OF CINCINNATI, HAYES AND HIS FAMILY. SUBSEQUENTLY, HAYES' SECOND-OLDEST...
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WEBB COOK HAYES II AND WEBB
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COOK HAYES III LIVED IN THIS HOUSE BEFORE IT WAS TURNED OVER TO THE STATE. >> YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE GO ON THE PORCH, I WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE...
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THAT THE HAYESES HAD OWNED. AND PEOPLE ARE IN HERE WALKING EVERY DAY, 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR, OR 366 DURING LEAP YEAR, OF COURSE. IT'S OPEN DAYLIGHT
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HOURS TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME IN TO WALK OR JOG. JUST CAN'T SKATEBOARD. >> ARI HOOGENBOOM, WHAT DIFFERENT OFFICES DID RUTHERFORD B. HAYES HOLD...
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ELECTED GOVERNOR FOR TWO TERMS. GOT OUT OF POLITICS VERY BRIEFLY. RETURNED TO POLITICS WHEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
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WAS IN BAD SHAPE AND NEEDED ITS BEST VOTE-GETTER, WHICH HE WAS. ELECTED GOVERNOR AGAIN IN 1875. SINCE HE WON IN 1875 IN A KEY STATE, HE WAS OBVIOUSLY,...
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BREAK BEFORE WE GO MUCH FARTHER WITH THIS. AND WE'LL COME BACK HERE AND THEN TRY TO TAKE SOME CALLS
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FROM OUR AUDIENCE, BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS THE BEST PART OF IT, GETTING CALLS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY. WE'LL TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND WE'LL CONTINUE OUR...
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PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. (music)(music) >> RUTHERFORD B. HAYES WAS ELECTED GOVERNOR RIGHT AFTER THE CIVIL WAR, 1867, AT THE TIME HE WAS PRACTICING...
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TIME, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE STATE LEGISLATURE WAS GOING TO RESCIND THE 14th AMENDMENT HERE IN OHIO. SO THE REPUBLICANS WERE LOOKING...
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US AND JOIN C-SPAN IN THE CLASSROOM AND GET SOME MATERIALS THAT MIGHT HELP YOU BETTER TEACH THIS WHOLE SUBJECT IN THE FALL, AROUND THE C-SPAN SERIES....
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FOR THIS SERIES. I'M A HISTORIAN AND I'M REALLY -- I REALLY DO
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ENJOY THIS SERIES. THANK YOU. >> THANKS. MR. BRIDGES. >>
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COULD I TRY THAT? >> SURE. >> YOU WANT TO REPHRASE THAT AGAIN? >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DID HE HAVE SLAVES? AND WHAT WAS HIS ATTITUDE TOWARD THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN?...
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HE, WHEN HE MARRIED HIS
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WIFE, LUCY, LUCY WAS AN
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ABOLITIONIST. AND HER
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FATHER, LUCY'S FATHER, INHERITED, WAS FROM KENTUCKY AND INHERITED SLAVES IN
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KENTUCKY. AND HE DIED GOING TO KENTUCKY TO MANUMIT TO FREE THOSE SLAVES. HER MOTHER, RATHER THAN -- HER MOTHER WAS ADVISED -- HE DIDN'T GET AROUND...
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ON PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS
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AND OTHER ELECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE LAST THIRD OF THE 19th CENTURY. HAYES WAS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE GAR AND THE MILITARY ORDER OF THE LOYAL LEGION....
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LIKELY THAT, WITHOUT THE
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SUPPORT OF THE GAR AND HIS PARTICIPATION, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOT AS SUCCESSFUL. >> GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN, YOU'RE NEXT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> YES. ...
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ANSWER, EITHER. BUT OUR WONDERFUL
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LIBRARY STAFF COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> TAKE SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT THE INVOLVEMENT OF THIS FIRST LADY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO ASK YOU...
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OH. WELL, IN SOME OF YOUR
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MATERIAL, YOU REFERRED TO HER AS "LEMONADE
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LUCY." NOBODY EVER CALLED HER THAT DURING THE PERIOD THEY WERE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY COOKED UP YEARS LATER. SHE WAS A
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TEETOTALLER. AND SHE, SHE WAS A MEMBER OF A FAMILY, GOT HER TO TAKE THE PLEDGE WHEN SHE WAS VERY YOUNG. SHE
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DID NOT TOLERATE LIQUOR IN THE HOME. HAYES HIMSELF DRANK MODERATELY THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE UNTIL HE BECAME PRESIDENT. WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT, AFTER...
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NOT? >> THAT IS TRUE. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE. BUT I WAS THERE. >> YES, I KNOW YOU WERE. I GOT OUT YOUR PICTURE
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AND I NOTICE IN THE BACK THAT IT SAYS YOUR MAJOR IS
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HISTORY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO I SAID,
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THAT CLINCHES IT. IT'S GOT TO BE. WHO ELSE WOULD
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BE AN ARI HOOGENBOOM? >> DO YOU KNOW THIS MAN? >> YES, I
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DO. >> WHAT IS YOUR NAME, IF YOU DON'T MIND TELLING US? >> ELEANOR HILL NOW, BUT IT WAS ELEANOR
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WHITE. I WAS A PRENURSING STUDENT, JUST THERE THAT
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ONE YEAR. AND I WAS THERE WATCHING ALL THE BOYS, OF COURSE. >>
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WELL, THANKS FOR CALLING THIS
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MORNING. LET ME ASK THE TWO OF YOU, WHEN SHE BRINGS UP THE COLLEGE YEARS, WHERE DID YOU GO,
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ROGER BRIDGES, TO
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COLLEGE? >>
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I WENT TO WHAT'S NOW CALLED THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN
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IOWA TO GET MY UNDERGRADUATE AND THEN MASTER'S DEGREE, AND MY Ph.D. FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT URBANA. >> DO YOU CREDIT ANYONE IN PARTICULAR...
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INTERESTED IN HISTORY? >> ABSOLUTELY. MY UNDERGRADUATE MAJOR, LEYLAND L. SAGE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN INTERESTING ME IN HISTORY, AND PARTICULARLY IN PURSUING...
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CAREER. >> HOW ABOUT YOU, MR. HOOGENBOOM? >> WELL, YOU HEARD, ATLANTIC UNION COLLEGE. I HAD TWO VERY GOOD TEACHERS THERE, AN ALBERT W. WURLINE AND A...
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KING. I WAS INTERESTED IN HISTORY
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BECAUSE OF, I GUESS, MY MOTHER AND MY SISTER, BEFOREHAND. BUT THEY WERE VERY GOOD HISTORY TEACHERS AND I WENT ON TO COLUMBIA FOR
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A Ph.D. >> WE ARE IN FREMONT,
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OHIO, AT THE RUTHERFORD B. HAYES PRESIDENTIAL CENTER. OUR NEXT CALL IS LARGO, FLORIDA. GOOD MORNING. >> YES. I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE DESCENDANTS...
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BECAUSE HE DESERVES ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S DONE FOR HIM. >> CAN YOU TELL US HOW YOU'RE RELATED TO
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HIM? >> MY MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME IS HAYES, AND MY GRANDMOTHER WAS A NIECE OF HIS. >> HOW OLD ARE YOU? >> I'M 14. >> AND WHEN DID YOU FIRST GET INTERESTED...
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HIM? >> I KNOW THAT HE WAS
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PRESIDENT FROM 1776 TO 18 -- 1781. >> WELL, THANKS A LOT FOR CALLING IN THIS
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MORNING.
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DO YOU GET MANY VISITORS HERE WHO ARE
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HAYES-RELATED? >> WE GET A NUMBER OF HAYES
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VISITORS. WE GET MORE WHO THINK THEY MIGHT BE BUT ACTUALLY ARE NOT. >> GO BACK TO THE YEAR 1776. WHAT WAS THIS
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COUNTRY LIKE THEN? HOW BIG WAS
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IT? >> WELL, IN 1876 -- >> I'M SORRY. >> THERE WERE 46 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE UNITED
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STATES. AND IT WAS, OF COURSE IN 1876, COLORADO, I BELIEVE, WAS ADMITTED AS THE
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CENTENNIAL STATE. AND MOST OF THE COUNTRY WAS
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HERE, BUT THERE WERE STILL STATES TO BE ADDED. >> WANT TO ADD ANYTHING
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TO THAT,
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PROFESSOR? >> NOT
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REALLY. SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. >> LET'S TAKE A CALL FROM HAGERSTOWN, MARYLAND. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. I WAS CURIOUS. I HAD READ ONCE WHERE IN...
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AGAIN. IS THERE ANY CREDIBILITY TO
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THAT? >>
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ARI HOOGENBOOM? >> THERE WERE HOTHEADS
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THAT TALKED IN TERMS OF TILDEN SUPPORTERS TAKING THE GOVERNMENT. THERE WERE FEARS OF ASSASSINATION AT THE TIME OF THE HAYES INAUGURATION, AND PEOPLE...
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OCCUR. THERE WERE SOME EXTRA TROOPS IN WASHINGTON TO, JUST IN
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CASE THERE WAS A PROBLEM AT THE TIME OF THE INAUGURATION. THE -- BUT MOST OF THE DEMOCRATS DID NOT REALLY -- THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP, RESPONSIBLE...
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COEDUCATIONAL, WHICH WAS RATHER UNUSUAL FOR STATE UNIVERSITIES
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IN THOSE DAYS? >> ROGER BRIDGES. >> SHE GRADUATED FROM CINCINNATI FEMALE SEMINARY IN CINCINNATI. SHE DID ATTEND COLLEGE -- CLASSES AT WHAT IS NOW OHIO...
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HAYES IN THE MATTER
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OF COEDUCATION AT OHIO STATE, I THINK THAT'S UNLIKELY. >> OMAHA, NEBRASKA, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> HI. FIRST OF ALL, I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR A LONG...
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TEXAS? AND, LASTLY, WHAT ABOUT HAYES'
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TURN TO SOCIALISM TOWARDS THE END OF HIS LIFE? THANK YOU. >> WHO WAS GUY BRIAN? >> GUY BRIAN WAS A COLLEGE FRIEND, WARM COLLEGE FRIEND OF HAYES. HAYES...
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WAR. THEY
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WERE NOT IN CONTACT WITH ONE ANOTHER DURING THE CIVIL WAR. HAYES ASKED EVERY TEXAN HE SAW ABOUT GUY BRIAN, BUT HE FOUND OUT VERY LITTLE. AFTER THE...
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HOME, OR HE
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COULD HAVE BEEN BORN IN A LARGER
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HOME. BUT HE WAS BORN IN
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| 00:36:03 |
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ONE OF TWO PLACES IN DELAWARE, OHIO. ONE OF THOSE PLACES IS NOW MARKED AS A BP GAS
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STATION. THERE'S A MONUMENT THERE. THE OTHER
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PLACE WHERE HE MAY HAVE BEEN BORN, AND CERTAINLY WHERE HIS HOME STOOD, IS THE SITE OF THE PRESENT METHODIST CHURCH IN DELAWARE, OHIO. BOTH OF THEM,...
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SOLD THE PAINTING,
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AND THAT
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THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUY IT
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BACK. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PAINTING OF HIM OR NOT. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT I COULD VERIFY THIS PAINTING? >> ROGER BRIDGES....
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MILES ON THE CAR YESTERDAY
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COMING FROM THE CLEVELAND HOPKINS AIRPORT, IF YOU COME ACROSS ROUTE 80, ROUTE 90, WHERE IT JOINS TOGETHER AT THESE POINTS. HOW FAR IS IT FROM TOLEDO?...
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COURSE. AND ABOUT 100 MILES FROM COLUMBUS. >> AND, WHEN PEOPLE COME TO THIS AREA, RIGHT HERE, THIS PRESIDENTIAL CENTER, BESIDES THIS HOME OF 33 ROOMS...
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SEE? >> WELL, OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE THE LIBRARY AND THE MUSEUM HERE. YOU CAN ALSO VISIT THE LAKE IF YOU WANT TO. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF HISTORIC SITES...
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THAT IS THE MARKINGS FROM THE OLD TURNPIKE BETWEEN LOWER SANDUSKY AND PERRYSBURG, WHICH THE ORIGINAL MARKERS ARE STILL ALONG HIGHWAY 20. >> WE'RE GOING...
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THEN WE'RE GOING TO MEET TOM CULBERTSON AND LOOK INSIDE THIS HOUSE AND SEE WHAT'S THERE. FREMONT, OHIO, YOU'RE NEXT ON THE PROGRAM. GO AHEAD, PLEASE....
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| 00:38:29 |
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DID RUTHERFORD'S UNCLE, SORDACE BIRCHARD, PLAY IN HIS POLITICAL CAREER, IF ANY? >> WELL, HIS UNCLE
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WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS GOING TO HARVARD MEDICAL -- HARVARD LAW SCHOOL. HIS UNCLE ALWAYS DID WANT HIM TO BE INVOLVED IN PUBLIC SERVICE. HIS MOTHER...
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BECAME A DRUNKARD IN WASHINGTON AND A FELLOW NAMED NOYES, JOHN HUMPHREY NOYES' FATHER. IN ANY EVENT, SORDACE REALLY ENCOURAGED HAYES' AMBITIONS. SORDACE...
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YEARS IN SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, WITH WHAT IS NOW THE ILLINOIS HISTORIC PRESERVATION AGENCY. >> HOW LONG DID YOU TEACH AT BROOKLYN COLLEGE? >> 30 YEARS....
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BOOK? >> YES. >> ON WHAT? >>
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| 00:40:19 |
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GUSTAVAS VASA FOX, LINCOLN'S ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF THE NAVY. IT'S A CHANGE OF PACE. >> BEFORE WE GO IN AND MEET TOM CULBERTSON, LET'S GO THROUGH A LOT...
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SOME OF THIS BEFORE, BUT LET ME GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT HAVE
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JUST JOINED US. FIRST OF ALL, WHERE WAS HE
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| 00:40:33 |
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BORN? >> HE WAS BORN IN DELAWARE, OHIO, ON OCTOBER
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4th,
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| 00:40:38 |
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1822. HIS FATHER HAD BEEN DEAD ALREADY ABOUT
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| 00:40:40 |
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2 1/2 MONTHS. >> HOW MANY
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| 00:40:43 |
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YEARS DID HE LIVE? >> HAYES LIVED UNTIL 1893. AT THE AGE OF 70, HE DIED OF A HEART ATTACK RIGHT HERE IN SPIEGEL GROVE. >> HOW MUCH EDUCATION DID HE...
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| 00:40:56 |
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HE GOT A HARVARD LAW DEGREE, FROM HARVARD COLLEGE, WHERE HE STUDIED WITH STORY AND OTHERS, CHITTY. SO,
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| 00:41:03 |
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HE WAS WELL EDUCATED AS LAWYERS GO IN THOSE DAYS.
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| 00:41:06 |
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VERY WELL EDUCATED. >> WHAT WOULD THIS WORLD BE LIKE IF HE HADN'T BEEN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES FOR FOUR
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| 00:41:12 |
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YEARS, ARI HOOGENBOOM? >> WELL, THE
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WORLD WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. I MEAN, I CAN'T MAKE CLAIMS THAT HE MOVED AND SHAKED THE WORLD. HE DID REALLY HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE PRESIDENCY....
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ADMINISTRATION, PARTICULARLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BUREAUCRACY WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF CIVIL SERVICE
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REFORM. AND ALSO IN THE AREA OF TRYING TO RESTORE SOME POWER AND PRESTIGE TO THE EXECUTIVE THROUGH THE USE OF THE VETO POWER, WHICH HE DID. AND GAINING...
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| 00:42:14 |
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MAJOR IN 1861 FROM CINCINNATI. HE SERVED MOSTLY IN WEST VIRGINIA, VIRGINIA AND MARYLAND. RISING TO THE RANK OF MAJOR GENERAL AT THE TIME OF HIS...
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OF SOUTH MOUNTAIN, WHICH PREVENTED HIS BEING PRESENT FOR THE BATTLE OF ANTETIAM. >> EVEN FIVE TIMES. HE WAS HIT TWICE IN, AT -- IN ONE BATTLE. IN...
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ORGANIZER. AND AN EXTREMELY HARD CANDIDATE TO BEAT. >> HE ACTUALLY GOT HOW MANY MORE VOTES THAN RUTHERFORD B. HAYES? >> 250,000. >> YEAH. >> HOW MANY...
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VOTES? >> THE ELECTORAL VOTE WAS 385-384. >> ONE. >> 185-184. >> RIGHT, 185-184. 20 VOTES WERE IN DISPUTE, WHICH MEANT IT COULD GO EITHER
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WAY. AND, FORTUNATELY,
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THE
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COMMISSION DECIDED FOR HAYES. >> AND IN THE END,
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HOW MANY ELECTORAL VOTES DID HE HAVE VERSUS SAMUEL TILDEN? >>
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185-184. >> AT THE VERY END. >> YEAH.
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IT HAD BEEN, WHAT? >>
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184-165. >> OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
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ALL RIGHT, LET ME GO INSIDE AND MEET TOM CULBERTSON. WE'LL COME BACK AND -- PLEASE KEEP YOUR CALLS COMING IN AS WE GO, BECAUSE MR. CULBERTSON IS THE...
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| 00:43:51 |
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THE RUTHERFORD B. HAYES PRESIDENTIAL CENTER. AND THE HOUSE IS RIGHT OVER HERE WITH 33 ROOMS,
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AS WE
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TALKED ABOUT
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EARLIER. AND I HOPE MR.
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CULBERTSON IS INSIDE WAITING
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FOR US. TOM, HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> WELCOME TO THE RETIREMENT HOME OF RUTHERFORD AND LUCY HAYES. >> WHERE ARE WE RIGHT HERE? >> RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN THE...
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1863. THE HOME WAS ACTUALLY BUILT IN THREE PHASES. TWO ADDITIONS WERE
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PUT ON BY RUTHERFORD AND LUCY HAYES, ONE IN
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1880 AND ONE IN 1889. BUT SORDACE WAS THE GENTLEMAN WHO ORIGINALLY BUILT THE HOUSE. AND, AS THE GENTLEMEN ON THE PORCH SAID, WAS THE FINANCIAL BACKER...
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ACCOMMODATE THIS BEAUTIFUL PORTRAIT. THAT EXPLAINS
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| 00:45:09 |
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THE ALMOST 13-FOOT CEILINGS HERE. RUTHERFORD HAYES IS PAINTED IN HIS FULL HEIGHT OF ABOUT 5'8 1/2" ON THAT PICTURE. >> AND YOU CAN'T TELL ON TELEVISION...
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| 00:45:38 |
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COAT. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD THAT QUESTION BEFORE ON SEGMENTS. BUT MAYBE TO HOLD UP HIS PANTS, I'M NOT SURE. >> WE HAVE A CALL FROM,
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I BELIEVE IT IS, I CAN'T SAY, HOLLY, MASSACHUSETTS, IS
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| 00:45:47 |
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THAT IT, CRYSTAL? WHERE ARE YOU
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| 00:45:49 |
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CALLING FROM? >> Caller: HOLY, MASSACHUSETTS, THIS IS FOR PROFESSOR HOOGENBOOM. I WANTED TO ASK HIM ABOUT HIS IMPRESSION, EVALUATION OF C. VAN WOODWARD'S...
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1877, WHETHER HAYES WAS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO DID END RECONSTRUCTION IN THE SOUTH AND
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WHETHER THE COMPROMISE OF 1877 WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GIVING HAYES THE PRESIDENCY. >> OKAY, THANKS. WE CAN ASK MR. HOOGENBOOM LATER. BUT DO YOU HAVE AN...
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HAPPENED. HAYES WAS NOT IN ON ANY
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| 00:46:45 |
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NEGOTIATIONS. HOWEVER, PEOPLE, INCLUDING JAMES GARFIELD, WERE IN ON SOME NEGOTIATIONS. AND PROFESSOR HOOGENBOOM, I THINK, CAN GIVE YOU A BETTER EXPLANATION...
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WAS PAINTED BY E.F. ANDREWS, WHO DID MANY
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OF THE PORTRAITS IN THIS HOUSE. >> WE HAVE A CALL FROM GENOA, OHIO. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller: THANK YOU. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK....
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AND PERRYSBURG. AND
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I WAS WONDERING IF HAYES WAS INVOLVED AT ALL FURTHERING THE CLEARING OF THE SWAMP AREA THAT WAS HERE IN THE LATE 19th CENTURY. THE SECOND QUESTION I...
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WHICH WERE INTENDED TO NOT ALLOW FOR THE TROOPS IN THE SOUTH TO ENFORCE VOTING LAWS. AND SO HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE SOUTH,...
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| 00:49:25 |
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HAYES. ALL OF PRESIDENT HAYES'
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BOOKS ARE CATALOGED AND ON SHELVES IN THE LIBRARY, SO THE SCHOLARS HAVE ACCESS TO THEM. >> WE HAVE A CALL FROM TRAVERSE, MICHIGAN. GO AHEAD, PLEASE,...
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US. >> WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO THAT. TELL US WHAT THEY ARE, TOM CULBURTSON. >> THE FANNY HAYES
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DOLLHOUSES ARE ACTUALLY OVER IN THE MUSEUM. THEY'RE IN CASES IN THE BASEMENT
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| 00:49:59 |
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OF THE MUSEUM. UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT NOW, THE
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MUSEUM IS UNDERGOING RADICAL CHANGES, AND WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEM. BUT THEY WERE GIVEN TO FANNY WHILE SHE WAS IN THE WHITE
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| 00:50:11 |
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HOUSE. ONE WAS BUILT BY A WHITE HOUSE CARPENTER, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS BUILT FOR THE PHILADELPHIA
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EXPOSITION IN 1876 AND WAS GIVEN TO THE DAUGHTER, FANNY. >> WHERE GREG FAVOR'S CAMERA IS, THERE'S A TABLE RIGHT THERE, AND THIS HAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE,...
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| 00:50:41 |
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CORRESPONDENCE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS, TAKE BREAKFAST, AND THEN COME BACK AND DO SOME MORE WRITING BEFORE LUNCH. SO, HE WROTE
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| 00:50:48 |
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MANY OF HIS OVER 200 SPEECHES THAT HE DID AFTER HIS PRESIDENCY, ON THAT VERY DESK. >> WE HAVE ANOTHER CALL FROM ANTIOCH, CALIFORNIA. GO AHEAD, PLEASE....
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| 00:51:16 |
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ANTI-SUFFRAGE. AND SOMEHOW TO ME, THAT SEEMS INTELLECTUALLY CONTRADICTORY. AND I WAS WONDERING
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IF THEY COULD EXPLAIN WHY SHE HELD BOTH OF THOSE VIEWS AT THE SAME TIME. >> WELL, I THINK THAT LUCY WAS MORE OF A TRADITIONALIST AND BELIEVED THAT INTELLECTUAL...
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METHODIST. SO, YES, IT DOES SEEM CONTRADICTORY, AND I HAVE NO GREAT EXPLANATION FOR WHY IT OCCURRED. >> GREG FAVOR IS GOING TO MOVE INTO THE DINING...
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IT WAS $825 TO INSERT THIS INTO THE EXISTING HOME. IT'S MADE OF BUTTERNUT AND WALNUT. >> TOM CULBERTSON, YOU'VE BEEN AT THIS HAYES PRESIDENTIAL CENTER...
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WHERE DID YOU COME FROM? >> WELL, I ACTUALLY LIVED IN FREMONT FOR TEN YEARS PRIOR TO THAT, BUT I WAS A STOCKBROKER. BEFORE THAT, I WAS A COLLEGE LIBRARIAN...
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YES, GOOD MORNING. EARLIER, THERE WAS THE
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REFERENCE TO PRISON REFORM. AND I'M WITH
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THE AMERICAN CORRECTIONAL
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| 00:52:49 |
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ASSOCIATION. AND, IN 1870, WHEN HE WAS GOVERNOR OF OHIO, PRESIDENT HAYES FOUNDED THE NATIONAL PRISON ASSOCIATION, WHICH WAS THE FORERUNNER
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| 00:52:58 |
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OF OUR ORGANIZATION. AND WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT NOTED IN THE
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| 00:53:02 |
Caller, -
DISCUSSION. >> THANKS. >> YES. PRESIDENT HAYES WAS VERY ACTIVE IN PRISON REFORM AND AN OFFICER IN THE AMERICAN CORRECTIONAL ASSOCIATION. IN FACT, THEY...
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| 00:53:23 |
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NOW AT THE DINING ROOM TABLE, WHICH
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| 00:53:25 |
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WAS PURCHASED BY THE HAYESES IN 1887, PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ROOM IN 1889. IT WILL SEAT 24 PEOPLE WHEN ALL 11 LEAVES ARE PLACED IN IT. AND,...
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| 00:53:38 |
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DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PHASE.
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SO SHE NEVER SAW THE COMPLETED DINING ROOM, NOR THE KITCHEN, OR THE BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS. I THINK GREG IS POSITIONING HIMSELF TO LOOK AT THE SIDEBOARDS,...
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| 00:54:48 |
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WORKING ON TODAY, SO THAT YOU CAN GET IN AND DON'T GET A BUSY SIGNAL. IT'S 202-626-4858. CALL US, E-MAIL US AND WE'LL GET YOU INVOLVED. A LOT OF TEACHERS...
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| 00:55:29 |
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VIEW OF THAT? AND WHAT WAS HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH ABRAHAM LINCOLN? >> GILDED AGE, TOM CULBERTSON. >> GILDED AGE WAS A PHRASE COINED BY MARK TWAIN IN...
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| 00:55:54 |
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AND THE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH. >> WOULD I THEN CONCLUDE, FROM LOOKING AT THE CHINA FROM THE WHITE HOUSE DAYS, THAT THEY SPENT
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| 00:55:59 |
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A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS? >> YES, A LOT OF MONEY WAS SPENT ON THIS WHITE HOUSE CHINA SET. THERE ARE 74 DIFFERENT DESIGNS OF FLORA AND FAUNA OF THE UNITED...
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| 00:56:16 |
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PEOPLE. BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE FEW EXAMPLES THAT THE DEMOCRATS COULD COME UP WITH FOR
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| 00:56:22 |
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EXCESSIVE SPENDING BY RUTHERFORD HAYES. >> WHAT ABOUT ABE LINCOLN AND HIS RELATIONSHIP TO RUTHERFORD HAYES? >> HE'S CROSSED PATHS WITH LINCOLN A COUPLE...
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| 00:56:46 |
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ECLIPSED GEORGE WASHINGTON AS THE GREATEST PRESIDENT, ALTHOUGH HE
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| 00:56:50 |
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CERTAINLY THOUGHT THAT WASHINGTON WAS ADMIRABLE, TOO. >> WE HAVE A CALL FROM PORTLAND, MAINE. GO AHEAD, PORTLAND, MAINE. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller:...
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| 00:57:15 |
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MANUSCRIPTS ARE HERE AT THE MUSEUM IN THE ARCHIVES. WE HAVE OVER A MILLION
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| 00:57:21 |
Caller, -
PIECES OF PAPER IN THE ARCHIVES. NOT ALL OF THEM ARE PRESIDENT HAYES'. PRIOR TO RICHARD NIXON, THE PAPERS OF THE PRESIDENTS WERE THE PERSONAL PROPERTY...
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| 00:57:34 |
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PRESIDENT. THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THEM. IN THE CASE OF THE HAYES, THEY ANTICIPATED THIS INSTITUTION, BOXED THEM UP. WE STILL...
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| 00:58:24 |
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IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, BUT IT WAS ADEQUATE FOR TWO RELATIVELY
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| 00:58:28 |
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SMALL PEOPLE. AND THIS WAS THEIR BED. IT'S FURNISHED MUCH AS IT WAS WHEN THEY WERE HERE IN THE 1880s, ALTHOUGH THE WALLPAPER HAS CHANGED. >> WHAT...
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| 00:58:42 |
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THIS? WHAT IS THIS STUFF RIGHT
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| 00:58:43 |
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HERE? >> OKAY, THIS IS ONE OF RUTHERFORD'S FROCK COATS. HE WAS AN AVID CANE COLLECTOR. THIS IS ONE OF THE CANES FROM HIS COLLECTION. AND ONE OF LUCY'S...
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| 00:59:02 |
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VISITED MANY OF THESE PRESIDENTIAL HOMES OVER THE YEARS, AND I'M ENJOYING SORT OF THIS RETROSPECTIVE
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| 00:59:06 |
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TOUR THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING ME WITH. AND MY QUESTION IS REGARDING FANNY HAYES, THE ONLY DAUGHTER OF THE HAYESES. THERE'S A CEMETERY NEAR
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| 00:59:16 |
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SPIEGEL GROVE WHERE YOU CAN FIND ALL OF THE PRESIDENT
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| 00:59:20 |
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AND MRS. HAYES' CHILDREN, EXCEPT FOR WEBB, WHO WAS BURIED WITH THE PRESIDENT AND MRS. HAYES, AND ALL OF THE DAUGHTERS-IN-LAW ARE THERE. HOWEVER, FANNY'S...
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| 00:59:56 |
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ALSO. FANNY DIED IN 1950, IN MAINE AND WAS BROUGHT
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| 01:00:01 |
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BACK HERE AND BURIED WITH ALL OF HER BROTHERS. >> BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA, WHY ARE YOU SO INTERESTED AND KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE FAMILIES?...
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| 01:00:25 |
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PRESIDENTS. AND I'M ORIGINALLY FROM CLEVELAND, AND WE DROVE OUT TO THE RUTHERFORD B.
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| 01:00:31 |
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HAYES LIBRARY. AND AT THAT TIME, THE HOME WAS NOT OPEN AND THE DIRECTOR WAS A GENTLEMAN NAMED MR. WATSON MARCHMENT. AND HE SEEMED TO UNDERSTAND MY...
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| 01:01:24 |
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TILDEN OF NEW YORK WON THE POPULAR VOTE. HE GOT MORE ELECTORAL VOTES, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO WIN, AND
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| 01:01:33 |
Caller, -
IT THREW THE ELECTION INTO CONGRESS AND THEN INTO A SPECIAL COMMISSION. AND MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE RUTHERFORD B. HAYES SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT,...
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| 01:02:12 |
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AND THAT IF RUTHERFORD HAYES COULD GET ALL
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| 01:02:15 |
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OF THOSE VOTES, HE COULD WIN THE ELECTION BY ONE VOTE. IT WAS THROWN INTO THE ELECTORAL COMMISSION, WHICH HAD EIGHT REPUBLICANS AND SEVEN DEMOCRATS....
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| 01:03:01 |
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A PERIOD IN YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU WORKED FOR PRUDENTIAL BACHE, SELLING STOCKS? >>
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| 01:03:05 |
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YES. >> AND HOW MANY YEARS? >> TEN YEARS. >> WHY DID YOU LEAVE THAT BUSINESS TO COME TO THIS? >> THIS WAS MY FIRST LOVE. AND SO, WHEN AN OPPORTUNITY ...
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| 01:03:19 |
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MOLINE, ILLINOIS, AND ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI, ALTHOUGH MY MOTHER IS A NATIVE OF FREMONT AND I CAME
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| 01:03:25 |
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BACK HERE TO WORK IN A FAMILY
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| 01:03:26 |
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BUSINESS WITH MY FATHER. >>
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| 01:03:27 |
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HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN
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| 01:03:28 |
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HERE NOW? >> I'VE BEEN IN TOWN FOR 20 YEARS, AND AT THE HAYES CENTER
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| 01:03:31 |
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FOR 11. >> DO YOU CREDIT ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR WITH GETTING YOU INTERESTED IN HISTORY? >> I'D SAY PROFESSOR RODNEY DAVIS OF KNOX
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| 01:03:38 |
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COLLEGE, WHO WAS ALSO A
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| 01:03:39 |
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COLLEAGUE OF ROGER BRIDGES, OUT ON THE PORCH. AND A COUPLE OF HISTORY TEACHERS BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL. >> TOM CULBERTSON, THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO
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| 01:03:47 |
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CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT RUTHERFORD B.
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| 01:03:49 |
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HAYES HERE AT THE PRESIDENTIAL CENTER AFTER WE TAKE A SHORT BREAK. >>
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| 01:03:52 |
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| 01:03:57 |
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| 01:04:06 |
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WELCOME BACK TO FREMONT, OHIO, AND THE RUTHERFORD B. HAYES PRESIDENTIAL CENTER THAT'S CALLED SPIEGEL GROVE, THAT HOUSE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. ROGER...
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| 01:07:02 |
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HIM OF GERMAN FAIRY TALES AND THE SPIRITS. >> ARI HOOGENBOOM HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT RUTHERFORD B. HAYES. HE'S WITH US, ALSO. BUT THE SUPREME COURT...
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| 01:07:11 |
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TO WHAT? >> WELL, HE APPOINTED TWO. AND THE MOST OUTSTANDING ONE WAS JOHN MARSHALL HARLAN, WHO SERVED FOR MANY YEARS, UNTIL 1911. ONE OF THE GREATEST...
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| 01:07:25 |
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DISSENTS IN ANTITRUST CASES. >> HE WAS IN FAVOR OF FEDERAL REGULATION. AND THE COURT OVERTURNED
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| 01:07:32 |
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THE REGULATION OF TRUST, AND HE'S ALSO IN FAVOR OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, AGAIN WHEN THE COURT OVERTURNED THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1875. >> AND IN MY...
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| 01:07:47 |
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HE'S RELATED TO HIM. AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW THE PRECISE RELATIONSHIP. DO YOU KNOW THAT, ROGER? >> I DO NOT, NO. >> ROGER BRIDGES, WILLIAM WHEELER,...
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| 01:08:04 |
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REPUBLICAN. IT'S REPORTED THAT HE ASKED WHETHER OR NOT HE SHOULD
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| 01:08:07 |
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TAKE THE JOB, BECAUSE VICE PRESIDENTS WERE LOST TO HISTORY. HAYES ASSURED HIM HE WOULD NOT BE, BUT OF COURSE WE KNOW
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| 01:08:13 |
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THAT THAT IS
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| 01:08:14 |
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THE FATE OF VICE PRESIDENTS. HE WAS A FREQUENT GUEST IN THE HAYESES' HOME, PARTICULARLY ON
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| 01:08:19 |
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SUNDAY NIGHTS. >> DID HE HAVE A BACKGROUND OF POLITICS? >> HE WAS A CONGRESSMAN WHEN HE WAS SELECTED AS HAYES' VICE PRESIDENT. >> LET'S TAKE A CALL FROM...
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| 01:08:40 |
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PRESIDENT HAYES' VIEWS OF RACIALLY BASED LEGISLATION,
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| 01:08:43 |
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PARTICULARLY APPROPRIATION BILLS WITH RIDERS TO LIMIT FEDERAL
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| 01:08:47 |
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SUPERVISION OF SOUTHERN ELECTIONS, SO BLACK VOTERS COULD PARTICIPATE AND ALSO HIS VETO OF THE EXCLUSION BILL TO
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| 01:08:53 |
Caller, -
END CHINESE IMMIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES. MY QUESTIONS ARE -- DID HAYES CONSTITUTE A PRESIDENTIAL PROFILE IN COURAGE BY CASTING THOSE VETOES?...
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| 01:09:35 |
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HAYES, THE RECORD
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| 01:09:37 |
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ISN'T AS GREAT AS WE WOULD PERHAPS WISH ON THAT ISSUE. BUT HE WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF TOTAL EXCLUSION. ON THE OTHER, THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION WAS?...
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| 01:10:15 |
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RIGHTS. HE LOVED TO SAY THAT HE
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| 01:10:18 |
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CAME FROM THE SECTIONS OF OHIO WHICH IS EXCEEDINGLY FLAT, AND HE LIKED TO THINK OF IT AS LEVEL TOPOGRAPHY, LEVEL SOCIETY HERE IN OHIO. >> IF YOU...
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| 01:10:30 |
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ABOUT 80 MILES FROM THE CLEVELAND AIRPORT AND A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE TOLEDO AIRPORT, UP IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE STATE OF OHIO, RIGHT NEAR...
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| 01:10:49 |
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SONS. HE HAD EIGHT CHILDREN. ONE FEMALE -- >> ONE DAUGHTER. >> ONE DAUGHTER. AND ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS WE LEARNED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS,...
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| 01:11:13 |
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AND THE OTHER TWO -- BECAUSE
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| 01:11:14 |
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I'M FROM OHIO, I WAS TOLD, WE HAD A NUMBER OF PRESIDENTS FROM OUR STATE. AND I WANTED TO KNOW, WHO WERE THE OTHER ONES, OTHER THAN GRANT AND HAYES?...
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| 01:11:28 |
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ANYTHING ON WHAT HIS POSITION WAS ON WAR IN GENERAL, AS WELL AS THE WARS THAT HE WAS SPECIFICALLY IN. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I REMEMBER DOING A...
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| 01:11:54 |
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S. GRANT, WHO WAS THE 18th PRESIDENT. HAYES, OF COURSE, WAS THE 19th. JAMES GARFIELD, FROM MENTOR, OHIO, IS THE
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| 01:12:08 |
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20th, BENJAMIN HARRISON WAS THE 22nd. AND THEN I LOOSE TRACK OF THE NUMBERS. BUT WE ALSO HAD WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT, AND FINALLY, WARREN G. HARDING. >>...
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| 01:12:37 |
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HE WAS A MAN OF PEACE
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| 01:12:38 |
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AFTER THE WAR. BUT WHEN HE WAS INVOLVED IN THE CIVIL WAR, HE REALLY REGARDED IT AS A CRUSADE. INITIALLY, SAVE THE UNION, BUT VERY, VERY QUICKLY REGARDED...
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| 01:12:49 |
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OF DISUNION AND
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| 01:12:51 |
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HE WANTED TO END IT AND HE REGARDED IT VERY MUCH AS A CRUSADE, AND SO HE WAS ARDENTLY IN FAVOR OF THE WAR. THE WAR ALMOST BECAME -- HE WAS PASSIONATE...
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| 01:13:25 |
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THAT'S
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| 01:13:27 |
Caller, -
RIGHT. >> AND I DID NOT FIND THAT RUTHERFORD HAYES SERVED IN THE MEXICAN
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| 01:13:32 |
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WAR. HOW, THEN, DID HE QUALIFY TO
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| 01:13:34 |
Caller, -
BE A MAJOR IN 1861? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, I RECOGNIZED JOHN'S VOICE. I'VE ONLY SEEN HIM INTERMITTENTLY, IT'S BEEN 40 YEARS AGO THAT WE
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| 01:13:47 |
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SERVED TOGETHER AT
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| 01:13:48 |
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TEXAS-AUSTIN COLLEGE, AND I'M DELIGHTED TO HEAR HIS VOICE. JOHN IS AN EXPERT ON THE MEXICAN WAR. HAYES WANTED TO GO TO WAR IN MEXICO, BUT HE REALLY...
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| 01:13:58 |
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PROBABLY HAD TUBERCULOSIS. AND HE STOUTLY DENIED THAT HE HAD TUBERCULOSIS, BUT HE COULD NOT REALLY GET MEDICAL CLEARANCE TO GO TO WAR IN MEXICO. AND...
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| 01:14:50 |
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WERE UNUSUAL TENSIONS IN THE JOINT
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| 01:14:54 |
Caller, -
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| 01:14:55 |
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SESSION. AND THERE WERE ACTUALLY ARMED TROOPS PRESENT AT THE COUNTING.
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| 01:15:00 |
Caller, -
AND THAT SOME STATE GOVERNORS THREATENED TO SEND NATIONAL GUARD TO WASHINGTON IF TILDEN WAS OVERTURNED. AND THAT THE ACTUAL COUNT, THERE WERE SOME...
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| 01:15:54 |
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THE HOUSE JUMPING UP ON HIS DESK AND SCREAMING, TRYING TO GET THE ATTENTION OF SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE,
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| 01:16:01 |
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RANDALL. AT THAT POINT, THEY WANTED TO RECESS, THE FILIBUSTERS WANTED TO RECESS. THEY WANTED TO PROLONG THE COUNT. THEY WANTED CHAOS. AND RANDALL...
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| 01:17:42 |
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IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THAT DEAL HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE
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| 01:17:47 |
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BEFORE THE ELECTION. IT WAS JUST A QUESTION
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| 01:17:50 |
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OF HAYES FOLLOWING THROUGH
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| 01:17:51 |
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ON WHAT GRANT HAD AGREED TO DO. HAYES
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| 01:17:53 |
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THOUGHT HE HAD ASSURANCES FROM
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| 01:17:55 |
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SOUTHERN GOVERNORS THAT THE RIGHTS OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS WOULD BE PROTECTED. AND, IN THAT, HE WAS SADLY DISAPPOINTED AND DECEIVED. >> NEXT CALL, WE...
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| 01:18:22 |
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B. HAYES HAD A SUMMER HOME IN A SMALL COMMUNITY NEAR US CALLED SPICE LAKE. AND I WONDERED IF EITHER
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| 01:18:27 |
Caller, -
OF THESE GENTLEMEN KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. >> MR. HOOGENBOOM? >> I DIDN'T HEAR THAT, BECAUSE MY EARPLUG WAS NOT FUNCTIONING. >> DID YOU HEAR, ROGER...
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| 01:18:50 |
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HAVING A DINNER OR A
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| 01:18:51 |
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LUNCH WITH RUTHERFORD B. HAYES. NEVER MET HIM
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| 01:18:54 |
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BEFORE. WHAT WOULD
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| 01:18:55 |
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YOU WALK AWAY CONCLUDING ABOUT THE MAN, BACK FROM WHAT YOU KNOW OF HIM? >> FIRST OF ALL, YOU WOULD, NOW, MEET A MAN WHO WAS EXTREMELY ERUDITE, EXTREMELY
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| 01:19:05 |
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INTERESTING CONVERSATIONALIST. A MAN WHO CERTAINLY BELIEVED IN BEING TOLERANT OF DIFFERENCES BUT FELT VERY STRONGLY ABOUT ISSUES LIKE CIVIL SERVICE...
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| 01:19:21 |
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IT A BETTER WORLD. >> BUT WAS HE PERSONABLE? >> VERY. HE HAD A GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR. HE WAS VERY LIKABLE. IN FACT, HE ONCE SAID THAT HE, IF HE SET OUT...
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| 01:19:45 |
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WITH PEOPLE. PEOPLE LIKED
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| 01:19:47 |
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RUTHERFORD. THE ONLY PERSON HE REALLY HAD AN ABIDING HATRED FOR WAS ROSCO CONKLING. HE HATED CONKLING. >> WHO WAS HE? >> A SENATOR FROM NEW YORK WHO...
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| 01:20:15 |
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CONVENTION? >> THERE WERE ABOUT SIX CANDIDATES, INCLUDING
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| 01:20:17 |
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HAYES. AND THEY ALL KIND OF KNOCKED ONE ANOTHER OFF. BLAINE WAS TOO CORRUPT. >> JAMES D. BLAINE? >> MORTEN OF INDIANA WAS TOO RADICAL. HARTTRAP FROM...
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| 01:20:31 |
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ANYHOW. BRISTO OF KENTUCKY WAS TOO MUCH OF A REFORMER.
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| 01:20:36 |
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I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE COVERED THEM ALL, BUT ANYHOW, THEY ALL WERE TOO EXTREME. HAYES WAS EVERYBODY'S SECOND
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| 01:20:42 |
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CHOICE. HE WAS THE
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| 01:20:43 |
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AVAILABLE MAN. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT BALLOT HE WAS CHOSEN ON? >> I DO NOT. I THINK IT WAS THE SEVENTH. >> SIXTH OR SEVENTH. >> SMITHFIELD, NORTH CAROLINA....
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| 01:21:04 |
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MARSHALL HARLAN WAS A GRANDFATHER OF THE
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| 01:21:06 |
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SECOND. WAS APPOINTED IN 1955 BY PRESIDENT EISENHOWER,
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| 01:21:09 |
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| 01:21:10 |
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THEN SERVED TO 1971. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK
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| 01:21:15 |
Caller, -
YOU. >> AND RUTHERFORD B. HAYES WAS WOUNDED IN THE CIVIL WAR, YOU SAY, HOW MANY TIMES, ROGER BRIDGES? >> WELL, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES, DEPENDING ON HOW...
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| 01:21:33 |
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SO BADLY INJURED THERE THAT, THEY, IN FACT, HE WAS REPORTED TO HAVE DIED. BUT HE EVENTUALLY
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| 01:21:37 |
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DID SOME RECOVERY IN
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| 01:21:39 |
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MIDDLETOWN, MARYLAND, AND THEN CAME BACK TO FREMONT TO RECOVER
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| 01:21:44 |
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BEFORE HE RETURNED TO THE
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| 01:21:46 |
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WAR. LUCY, IN FACT, SPENT
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| 01:21:48 |
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SEVERAL DAYS LOOKING FOR HIM, NOT KNOWING WHETHER HE WAS ALIVE OR DEAD. >> MONTPELIER, VERMONT, NEXT. GOOD MORNING. >> Caller: I WAS JUST GOING TO...
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| 01:22:14 |
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HE WAS THE ONE THAT VOTED AGAINST THE FERGUSON DECISION. THE
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| 01:22:19 |
Caller, -
PLESCY V. FERGUSON DECISION. SO HE WAS A VERY IMPORTANT SUPREME COURT JUDGE. >> YEAH, THANKS. WHAT WAS THE PLESCY V. FERGUSON DECISION? >> IT'S THE...
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| 01:22:45 |
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TOOK A STAND AGAINST SEGREGATION. >> DO YOU REMEMBER THE
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| 01:22:50 |
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VOTE, WERE THERE NINE MEMBERS ON THE COURT THEN? >> YES, BUT I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER THE VOTE. >> NORTH TUSTEN, CALIFORNIA, YOU'RE NEXT. >> Caller:...
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| 01:23:10 |
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BRIDGES? >> WELL, THE DISPUTE WAS OVER 20 VOTES. IN SOUTH CAROLINA, FLORIDA,
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| 01:23:15 |
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AND LOUISIANA -- >> ELECTORAL VOTES. >> ELECTORAL
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| 01:23:18 |
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VOTES. WHETHER OR NOT THE RETURNING
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| 01:23:20 |
Caller, -
BOARDS THERE HAD COUNTED THE VOTES CORRECTLY, OR WHETHER THEY HAD THROWN OUT VOTES THAT SHOULD NOT BE COUNTED. THE DEMOCRATIC
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| 01:23:30 |
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GOVERNORS AND RETURNING BOARD
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| 01:23:32 |
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MEMBERS CERTIFIED THE DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICAN RETURNING BOARDS, WHEN THEY WENT OVER THE BALLOTS, THREW OUT ENOUGH
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| 01:23:37 |
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DEMOCRATIC
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| 01:23:38 |
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VOTES TO MAKE HAYES THE WINNER. AS ARI SAID EARLIER, IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW THE EXACT TRUTH, BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH VIOLENCE AND FRAUD IN THOSE ...
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| 01:24:18 |
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ABOUT KEEPING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ALIVE IN THE SOUTH. >> HOW MANY STATES WERE THERE ON THE
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| 01:24:23 |
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| 01:24:24 |
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UNION? >> OH. NOW, THAT'S -- THAT'S A
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| 01:24:28 |
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LITTLE TOUGH FOR ME TO ANSWER. DO YOU HAVE -- >> I THINK, 37. >> AND WHEN THE ELECTION WAS HELD, SAMUEL TILDEN BEAT, POPULAR VOTE, BY 250,000, RUTHERFORD...
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| 01:24:42 |
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HE HAD, AGAIN, HOW MANY ELECTORAL
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| 01:24:45 |
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VOTES? >> HAYES HAD 165 UNCONTESTED. TILDEN HAD 184 UNCONTESTED. 20 VOTES, ONE ODD VOTE
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| 01:24:52 |
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FROM OREGON, WHICH IS A
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| 01:24:53 |
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SPECIAL CASE, AND BUT 19 FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, LOUISIANA AND FLORIDA. >> WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE, ROGER BRIDGES, FOR APPOINTING THE 15-MEMBER COMMISSION?...
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| 01:25:01 |
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THIS WAS THE
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| 01:25:02 |
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RESULT OF A RESOLUTION OF CONGRESS THAT WAS APPOINTED BY CONGRESS. >>
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| 01:25:09 |
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SO, IT WAS A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS. >> DEMOCRATIC HOUSE, REPUBLICAN SENATE. >> FIVE MEMBERS WERE APPOINTED BY WHAT PARTY? >>
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| 01:25:18 |
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FIVE REPUBLICANS, FIVE DEMOCRATS, AND ALLEGEDLY,
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| 01:25:22 |
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FIVE INDEPENDENT SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. BUT OF COURSE, WE KNOW -- ORIGINALLY THERE WERE THREE, TWO DEMOCRATS AND TWO REPUBLICANS AND THE FIFTH,
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| 01:25:30 |
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DAVID DAVIS, WAS ASSUMED TO BE
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| 01:25:32 |
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INDEPENDENT. >> HOW DID JAMES GARFIELD GET ON THAT
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| 01:25:35 |
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COMMISSION? >> HE WAS APPOINTED BY THE SPEAKER
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| 01:25:39 |
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OF THE HOUSE. >> AND HE WENT ON TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT. >> AND, NO. GARFIELD WANTED TO BE THE NEXT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. >> BUT HE WENT ON TO BE THE...
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| 01:25:53 |
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WAS SLATED TO BE ONE OF THE VISITING STATESMEN IN LOUISIANA. SO, IF THIS IS
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| 01:25:58 |
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GOING -- IF THE COMMISSION WAS GOING TO BE JUDICIOUS TO HAVE
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| 01:26:00 |
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A GUY WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE
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| 01:26:02 |
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THROWING OUT VOTES IN LOUISIANA AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION THAT'S GOING TO CONSIDER
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| 01:26:07 |
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THE
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| 01:26:09 |
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ACT THAT HE COMMITTED IN LOUISIANA, YOU'RE REALLY INTO A POLITICAL SOLUTION. >> YOU MENTIONED DAVID DAVIS. WAS HE, IN THE END, WAS HE A MEMBER OF...
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| 01:26:35 |
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PRESIDENT. AND HE WAS NOT SATISFIED TO BE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. SO, WHEN HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
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| 01:26:39 |
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TO BECOME A SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS, HE DIDN'T MIND HAVING HIS HAT IN THE
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| 01:26:45 |
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RING. AND THE DEMOCRATS, TILDEN'S NEPHEW IN PARTICULAR, MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE IN GETTING DEMOCRATS TO SUPPORT
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| 01:26:51 |
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DAVIS. BECAUSE TILDEN'S NEPHEW THOUGHT THAT DAVIS COULD THEREFORE BE BOUGHT. THAT IF THE DEMOCRATS MADE DAVIS A SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS, DAVIS WOULD RECIPROCATE...
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| 01:27:28 |
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ORDERED THE EARLY INAUGURATION OR SWEARING IN OF HAYES BEFORE
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| 01:27:34 |
Caller, -
THE ACTUAL INAUGURATION DAY. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE FACTORS WERE INVOLVED IN MAKING THAT DECISION, AND WERE THEY REALLY THAT PARANOID ABOUT...
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| 01:28:07 |
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| 01:28:08 |
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SWORN IN BY MORRISON, I
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| 01:28:10 |
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| 01:28:11 |
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BELIEVE, ON THE EVENING OF MARCH 3rd. AND OF COURSE, THE OFFICIAL INAUGURATION DIDN'T TAKE PLACE ON MONDAY, MARCH 5th. >> AGAIN, ARI HOOGENBOOM, WHY...
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| 01:28:38 |
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HIMSELF AND MAKE BAD POLITICAL
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| 01:28:42 |
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DECISIONS. THE ONE-TERM PRINCIPLE WAS WIDELY REGARDED AS A REFORM PRINCIPLE, WOULD FREE THE PRESIDENT FROM POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS. I THINK IT WAS...
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| 01:29:19 |
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CLASSROOM MEMBERSHIP, FREE OF CHARGE TO YOU. AND WE HAVE A TELEPHONE NUMBER WE WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT. YOU CAN CALL NOW, AND FOLKS WILL SIGN YOU UP....
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| 01:30:19 |
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PARAPHERNALIA.
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| 01:30:21 |
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YOU SEE THE CARRIAGE THAT HE BOUGHT WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT. YOU'LL SEE ARTIFACTS FROM THE CIVIL WAR. HERE, YOU, IN FACT, ARE SEEING SOME PORTIONS...
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| 01:30:33 |
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HAD BEEN REMOVED WHILE WE'RE DOING THE RENOVATION. HERE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE SUCH THINGS AS SIX OF LUCY'S DRESSES. YOU'LL SEE KNIVES FROM THE WHITE...
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| 01:31:16 |
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THE AIR. HELLO,
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| 01:31:19 |
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BEAVERTON? LET'S GO ON TO
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| 01:31:21 |
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NANTUCKET, MASSACHUSETTS. NANTUCKET,
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| 01:31:23 |
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YOU'RE ON THE ARM. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller: HELLO. I'M STILL FASCINATED BY THIS ELECTORAL COMMISSION, BECAUSE IF THE DEMOCRATS DID INDEED CONTROL...
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| 01:31:32 |
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HOUSES OF CONGRESS, HOW WAS IT THAT THE HIGH-BREAKING SUPPOSEDLY INDEPENDENT MEMBER ALWAYS VOTED FOR THE REPUBLICANS? >> ARI HOOGENBOOM? >> ACTUALLY,...
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| 01:31:46 |
Caller, -
THE SENATE. SO, THERE WERE -- >> THEY CHANGED THEN WHEN HE BECAME PRESIDENT? >> NO, NO. DURING HIS FIRST TWO YEARS, HAYES HAD THE SENATE -- WELL, ...
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| 01:31:59 |
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ACTUALLY. THE DEMOCRATS HAD THE HOUSE. THE LAST TWO
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| 01:32:01 |
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YEARS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION, THE DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED BOTH SENATE AND HOUSE. SO, THE COMMISSION WAS EVENLY DIVIDED BETWEEN THREE
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| 01:32:09 |
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| 01:32:12 |
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DEMOCRATS FROM THE HOUSE, TWO REPUBLICANS FROM THE HOUSE, THREE REPUBLICANS FROM THE SENATE, TWO DEMOCRATS FROM THE SENATE, TWO DEMOCRATIC SUPREME...
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| 01:33:30 |
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C-SPAN BUS AND CREW, WHICH IS HERE FOR THIS DAY AND THEN MOVES ON TO MENTOR, OHIO, WHERE THE JAMES GARFIELD HOME, FOR OUR NEXT PRESIDENTIAL PROGRAM,...
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| 01:34:11 |
Caller, -
B.
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| 01:34:12 |
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HAYES? >>
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| 01:34:13 |
Caller, -
Caller: I KNOW THAT WHEN HE WAS BORN, THE
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| 01:34:15 |
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WELFARE COST FOR THE CHILDBIRTH WAS ONLY $3.50, WHICH IS WEIRD, BECAUSE NOWADAYS IT
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| 01:34:21 |
Caller, -
COSTS A WHOLE LOT MORE. AND AT THE AGE OF 7, HE WAS FINALLY ALLOWED TO PLAY OUTSIDE. AND, AT THE AGE OF 9, HE WAS ABLE TO PLAY
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| 01:34:30 |
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SPORTS. HOWEVER, HE WASN'T WELL-LIKED AMONG
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| 01:34:34 |
Caller, -
OTHER KIDS HIS AGE. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY HE WASN'T LIKED? >> Caller: BECAUSE HE KEPT A DIARY AND OF HIS DREAMS AND HE HAD A LOT OF SELF-CONFIDENCE...
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| 01:34:56 |
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WRITTEN. >> ARI HOOGENBOOM, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING THAT YOU WANT TO
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| 01:34:59 |
Caller, -
COMMENT ON? >> WELL, I THINK KIDS LIKED HIM. HE GOT ALONG WELL WITH KIDS HIS OWN
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| 01:35:06 |
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AGE. HE PLAYED ROUGH
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| 01:35:07 |
Caller, -
SPORTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN HIS MOTHER FINALLY RELENTED AND -- SEE, HIS MOTHER HAD LOST A LOT OF KIDS. HIS OLDER BROTHER HAD FALLEN THROUGH
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| 01:35:17 |
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THE ICE AND HAD DROWNED. AND HIS MOTHER WAS TERRIBLY PROTECTIVE.
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| 01:35:21 |
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SHE FINALLY LET HIM GO OUT AND PLAY SPORTS AND HE SWAM AND HE HUNTED. HE DID A LOT OF HUNTING AS A BOY AND PLAYED IN ROUGH SPORTS. AND HE PLAYED IN...
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| 01:36:06 |
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REALLY HAVE FOR IT. >> AND WHAT YEAR ARE YOU? >> Caller: I'M A SENIOR. I'LL BE GRADUATING THIS YEAR, IN
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| 01:36:13 |
Caller, -
2000. >> AND THE LAST THREE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN AT THE SCHOOL, HAS ANYBODY EVER TEACH YOU ABOUT WHO RUTHERFORD B. HAYES
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| 01:36:21 |
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WAS? >> Caller: NO, NOT REALLY. >> HOW BIG IS YOUR
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| 01:36:25 |
Caller, -
SCHOOL? >> Caller: GEEZ, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I HAVE NO IDEA. IT'S GOT ABOUT --
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| 01:36:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
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| 01:36:30 |
Caller, -
I WANT TO SAY 1,500 STUDENTS. IT'S NOT THAT VERY, IT'S NOT VERY BIG. >>
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| 01:36:35 |
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HOW DID YOU GET PICKED THIS MORNING TO TELL US ABOUT HAYES HIGH SCHOOL IN DELAWARE? >> Caller: OKAY. FROM MY JOURNALISM CLASS LAST YEAR, I WROTE AN
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| 01:36:42 |
Caller, -
ARTICLE ON RUTHERFORD B.
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| 01:36:45 |
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| 01:36:46 |
Caller, -
HAYES AND FOR MY CLASS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US, AND GOOD LUCK. >> I WAS GONNA SAY, I WENT TO JOHN ADDAMS HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEY NEVER...
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| 01:36:56 |
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ABOUT JOHN ADDAMS IN MY SCHOOL IN NEW YORK
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| 01:37:00 |
Caller, -
CITY. >> I HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. I GRADUATED -- WE DIDN'T CALL IT THOMAS JEFFERSON, JUST JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. HOW...
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| 01:37:11 |
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HAVE A NAME, JUST THE TOWN
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| 01:37:13 |
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SCHOOL. >> LET'S GO TO MONMOUTH JUNCTION, NEW JERSEY, NEXT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller: FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY HELLO TO PROFESSOR
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| 01:37:21 |
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HOOGENBOOM. I'M A FORMER STUDENT OF HIS AT BROOKLYN COLLEGE. I TOOK HIS AMERICAN HISTORY COURSE THERE AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL COURSE AND HE WAS A WONDERFUL
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| 01:37:29 |
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TEACHER. MY QUESTION IS, REGARDING
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| 01:37:35 |
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HAYES, DID HE FEEL ANY UNEASE ABOUT THE FACT THAT
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| 01:37:38 |
Caller, -
HE RECEIVED A QUARTER OF A MILLION VOTES LESS THAN HIS OPPONENT? DID HE EXPRESS ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT? >> NO. I WAS GOING TO SAY, NO, HE DIDN'T REALLY...
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| 01:38:09 |
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CARRIED MISSISSIPPI. HE FELT HE WOULD HAVE CARRIED NORTH CAROLINA, AND TENNESSEE, AS WELL, I BELIEVE, AS WELL AS THE STATES THAT LATER WERE COUNTED...
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| 01:38:52 |
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THEY WERE IN A CAMPAIGN IN WEST
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| 01:38:54 |
Caller, -
VIRGINIA. AND THE ARTICLE I READ BY AN HISTORIAN CLAIMED THAT THERE WERE AT THAT TIME THREE FUTURE PRESIDENTS FROM OHIO. AND THE TWO YOU'VE NAMED,...
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| 01:39:09 |
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WHICH I CAN'T
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| 01:39:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
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| 01:39:11 |
Caller, -
REMEMBER. BUT HE NAMED ALL THREE, WERE SERVING IN THAT REGIMENT AT THAT TIME, IN A CAMPAIGN IN WEST VIRGINIA. >> THANKS, CALLER. ROGER BRIDGES, YOU'RE...
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| 01:39:38 |
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WAS THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> SAMMOND
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| 01:39:41 |
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CHASE? >> NO. IT WAS NOT SAMMOND CHASE. >> WAS IT OLIVER WENDELL HOLMES? >> NO. >> WE COULD PLAY THIS GAME FOREVER. >> NO, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WOULD...
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| 01:39:58 |
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GROVE AND THE MUSEUM FIVE YEARS
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| 01:40:00 |
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| 01:40:01 |
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AGO. ONE OF MY SPECIAL DELIGHTS
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| 01:40:02 |
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WAS DISCOVERING A HALL
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| 01:40:03 |
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OF
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| 01:40:04 |
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PRESIDENTS ON THE
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| 01:40:05 |
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LOWER FLOOR OF THE MUSEUM. I WAS
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| 01:40:07 |
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SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT HAYES
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| 01:40:09 |
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AND CHESTER ARTHUR BURIED THE HATCHET
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| 01:40:11 |
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BY RIDING TOGETHER FOR FIVE HOURS IN THE
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| 01:40:14 |
Caller, -
GENERAL GRANT FUNERAL PROCESSION OF 1885, AND HAYES ENJOYED HIS RIDE WITH ARTHUR. I WAS PLEASED TO SEE THIS MENTIONED IN MR. HOOGENBOOM'S WELL-RESEARCHED...
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| 01:41:10 |
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HOUSE FROM 1873 UNTIL HIS DEATH IN 1893. >> HOW MANY OTHER
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| 01:41:15 |
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HAYES' DESCENDANTS CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE? >> WELL, THERE WERE FOUR ADDITIONAL GENERATIONS OF HAYES WHO LIVED HERE. HIS SON, WEBB HAYES, WEBB COOK HAYES,...
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| 01:41:27 |
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WEBB HAYES III, WHO JUST DIED RECENTLY
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| 01:41:30 |
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IN WASHINGTON D.C. >> WHEN WAS THIS HOUSE TURNED OVER TO THE PUBLIC? >> IN 1965. THROUGHOUT ITS
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| 01:41:35 |
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EARLY HISTORY, VISITORS WERE OFTEN BROUGHT THROUGH THE HOME. >>
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| 01:41:38 |
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NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA, YOU'RE NEXT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller: FOR YEARS, I THINK -- >> DID WE LOSE NEW ORLEANS? YEAH. ARE YOU STILL THERE, NEW ORLEANS?...
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| 01:41:51 |
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PLEASE? >> Caller: HOLENWALD. >> YOU'RE ON THE
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| 01:41:54 |
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AIR. GO RIGHT AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller: YES.
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| 01:41:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN RUTHERFORD HAYES AND PRESIDENT GRANT
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| 01:42:03 |
Caller, -
WAS. >>
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| 01:42:05 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ARI HOOGENBOOM? >> HAYES ADMIRED GRANT ENORMOUSLY AS A GENERAL. HAYES VISITED GRANT IN THE
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| 01:42:13 |
Caller, -
WHITE
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| 01:42:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HOUSE AFTER GRANT BECAME
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| 01:42:17 |
Caller, -
PRESIDENT. HAYES, WHILE HE WAS SOMEWHAT DISTURBED ABOUT GRANT WANTING TO ACQUIRE SANTO DOMINGO, HE NEVERTHELESS
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| 01:42:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SUPPORTED GRANT
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| 01:42:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN THE 1872 CAMPAIGN, WHEN A LOT OF REFORM-MINDED REPUBLICANS DEFECTED AND FORMED THE LIBERAL REPUBLICAN PARTY. HAYES FELT JUST SICK ABOUT THE DECLINING...
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| 01:43:31 |
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AFRAID I'M A LITTLE
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| 01:43:33 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FUZZY HERE AND DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK THAT HE HAD ANYTHING TO
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| 01:43:43 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DO, OR I'M NOT SO SURE HE
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| 01:43:44 |
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MADE ANY COMMENTS ON THE TRIPLE
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| 01:43:48 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ALLIANCE
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| 01:43:50 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF -- I ASSUME YOU MEAN OF GERMANY, THE AUSTRIA/HUNGARIAN
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| 01:43:56 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
EMPIRE AND ITALY, PRIOR TO WORLD WAR I. >> DID HE TRAVEL AT ALL WHEN HE WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE, BEYOND WASHINGTON AND BEYOND THE OHIO AREA? >> OH, YES....
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COAST. THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO DO SO, SPENT SOME 80 DAYS TRAVELING TO
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WASHINGTON, OREGON, CALIFORNIA, MUCH TO THE DISMAY OF WILLIAM T. SHERMAN AND OTHERS, WHO HATED TO SEE HIM OUT IN THE INDIAN TERRITORY. >> RUTHERFORD...
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THAT HIS FATHER DIED BEFORE HE
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WAS BORN. YET HE WENT TO KENYON COLLEGE, HE WENT
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| 01:45:00 |
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TO HARVARD.
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| 01:45:01 |
Caller, -
WHAT MOTIVATED HIM TO BECOME SUCH A GOOD STUDENT? AND HOW DID HE HAVE THE MEANS TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE COLLEGES? I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER. >> YEAH....
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THESE SCHOOLS. BUT RUTHERFORD'S MOTHER HAD PROPERTY IN OHIO, AND SOME OF THAT PROPERTY WAS SOLD. SO SHE PAID A LOT OF THE BILLS FOR COLLEGE, AS WELL,...
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GOT
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THIS 80-FOOT-WIDE, 80-FOOT-LONG, 60-FOOT-WIDE VERANDA. >> NEW ORLEANS, YOU'RE NEXT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE, YOU'RE ON WITH ROGER BRIDGES AND ARI HOOGENBOOM....
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| 01:46:48 |
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RECONSTRUCTION. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY MENTION OF THAT. IS THAT JUST A
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Caller, -
MYTH? >> OKAY, THERE WAS -- THERE WAS TALK OF A DEAL. BUT HAYES HAD ALWAYS SAID, FROM HIS ACCEPTANCE LETTER ON, THAT IF THE DEMOCRATS WOULD AGREE...
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BASICALLY ENDED EVERYWHERE IN THE SOUTH EXCEPT RIGHT AROUND THE IMMEDIATE AREAS AROUND THE CAPITALS OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND LOUISIANA, COLUMBIA, SOUTH...
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| 01:48:36 |
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AND PROBABLY ONE OF HIS TWO MOST IMPORTANT ADVISERS. >> WHAT WAS HE LIKE? >> JOHN SHERMAN WAS A BROTHER OF WILLIAM "TECUMSEH" SHERMAN. A VERY BRIGHT...
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| 01:48:49 |
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AS AN ASTUTE FINANCIER THROUGH MOST OF HIS LIFE. >> WHY DON'T WE GO -- WE'LL GO TO THE GRAVE SITE. >> THE OHIO
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| 01:49:00 |
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ICICLE. HE WAS A RATHER COOL
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| 01:49:03 |
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MAN. >> AS WE GO, LET'S TAKE A CALL FROM BEND, OREGON. GRAVE SITE'S NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. GO AHEAD, BEND. >> Caller: YES, HI. THIS QUESTION IS FOR...
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| 01:49:15 |
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RECOGNIZE MY VOICE, ARI. THIS IS ERIC SIGNEL. AND I'M QUITE, VERY HONORED
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| 01:49:20 |
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TO SEE YOU ON THIS PROGRAM AND PROVIDING SUCH FASCINATING INFORMATION FOR
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| 01:49:25 |
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EVERYBODY. AND MY QUESTION, ARI, THE THING I WAS MOST INTERESTED ABOUT
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| 01:49:31 |
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WAS THE ELECTORAL, THE PROCESS WHERE THERE WAS THE TIE-BREAKING VOTE AND YOU MENTIONED DAVIS, THE FELLOW THAT WAS INDEPENDENT. AND HE APPARENTLY...
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| 01:50:07 |
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LEFT, FOR THAT MATTER. BRADLEY WAS PICKED, BECAUSE, OF ALL THE JUSTICES, HE PROBABLY, OF THE REPUBLICAN JUSTICES, HE PROBABLY WAS THE MOST INDEPENDENT....
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| 01:50:47 |
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THEY ALWAYS DID. >> I JUST WANT TO
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| 01:50:50 |
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TELL THE AUDIENCE, IF THEY JUST JOINED US, THAT BEHIND
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| 01:50:52 |
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US IS SPIEGEL GROVE. IT'S A 33-ROOM, I GUESS YOU CALL IT A MANSION,
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| 01:50:56 |
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THAT BELONGED TO RUTHERFORD B. HAYES. WE HAVE A CALL FROM PEORIA, ARIZONA. WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO THE GRAVE SITE. GO AHEAD, PEORIA. >> Caller: YES, I WORK...
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| 01:51:10 |
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DAUGHTER. AND HE HAS RUTHERFORD B. HAYES' BABY CUP, WHEN HE WAS A BABY. AND SO, IT IS REALLY A JOY TO WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES'...
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| 01:51:23 |
Caller, -
PRESIDENTS, HOW MUCH -- HAVE THERE BEEN ANY ON YOUR BOARD? >> YES, THERE HAVE BEEN. IN FACT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR HAYES' DESCENDANTS ON THE BOARD...
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| 01:51:40 |
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SUCCESSORS. AND WE HAVE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD IS SCOTT HAYES, WHO IS A GREAT-GRANDSON OF THE PRESIDENT, AND THE SON OF BIRCHARD
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| 01:51:47 |
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HAYES, HAYES' OLDEST SON. THEN WE HAVE STEVEN HAYES, WHO IS A SON OF WEBB
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| 01:51:53 |
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HAYES
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| 01:51:55 |
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III. AND LESLIE McFARLAND, WHO IS A SON, OR A DAUGHTER, OF ARTHUR HAYES, AND FINALLY, WE HAVE JAMES HAYES, WHO IS A SON OF SCOTT B. HAYES, OUR PRESIDENT....
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| 01:52:29 |
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PLEASE. >> Caller: YES, THIS IS TED AT YOUNGSTOWN, OHIO, AND I'M CALLING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EDWIN STANTON, WHO WAS ALSO A KENYON GRADUATE,...
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| 01:52:38 |
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WAR UNDER LINCOLN, AND A HARVARD GRADUATE, AND RUTHERFORD B. HAYES HIMSELF, IF THEY HAD BEEN FRIENDS. AND EERILY, WHERE YOU'RE
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| 01:52:47 |
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WALKING THERE LOOKS JUST LIKE MIDDLE PASS IN KENYON
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| 01:52:50 |
Caller, -
COLLEGE. >> DID YOU GO TO KENYON? >> Caller: OUR KIDS ATTEND KENYON. >> REACTION, EDWIN STANTON? >> I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY KNEW ONE ANOTHER, PARTICULARLY....
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| 01:53:12 |
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NOT
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| 01:53:13 |
Caller, -
FRIENDS. >> ROZELLE, ILLINOIS, NEXT, PLEASE. >> Caller:
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| 01:53:17 |
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YES. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU
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| 01:53:19 |
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COULD EXPLAIN RUTHERFORD B. HAYES' ROLE IN THE 1877
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| 01:53:23 |
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RAILROAD STRIKE, AND HIS FEELINGS TOWARDS LABOR, OR LABOR'S FEELINGS TOWARDS HIM. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'M GLAD WE GOT TO THAT. HE WAS ALWAYS...
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| 01:53:34 |
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AND HE WAS NEVER REALLY ALL THAT FRIENDLY TO
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| 01:53:37 |
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RAILROADS. IN FACT, LATER IN LIFE, HE WAS VERY MUCH OF AN ADVOCATE OF REGULATION OF RAILROADS. HE INTERVENED IN THE STRIKE. HE'S BEEN ACCUSED OF BREAKING...
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| 01:53:50 |
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BREAK THE STRIKE. HE ONLY INTERVENED -- HE ONLY SENT TROOPS WHEN REQUESTED BY PROPER AUTHORITIES. NAMELY, WHEN REQUESTED BY THE GOVERNORS OF STATES,...
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| 01:54:50 |
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OBVIOUS. WHAT HORSES ARE BURIED OVER HERE? >> WELL, WE HAVE TWO HORSES. ONE IS OLD NED, WHO DIED IN 1871 AT THE AGE OF 36, WHO WAS THE CARRIAGE HORSE...
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| 01:55:17 |
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RIDE, WHO HAD BELONGED TO MAJOR HASTINGS IN HIS REGIMENT. BUT HAYES WAS KNOWN TO HAVE RODE HIM OCCASIONALLY, AND THE HORSE WAS SENT HERE AFTER THE WAR...
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| 01:55:57 |
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ABOUT, I KNOW McKINLEY WAS IN THE SAME REGIMENT AS HAYES, AND I THINK THE OTHER PERSON YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS TAFT. I THINK THERE'S A MONUMENT, ACTUALLY,...
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| 01:56:09 |
Caller, -
THERE. BUT MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS THE MILITARY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HAYES AND McKINLEY? AND ALSO, SINCE McKINLEY
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| 01:56:14 |
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WAS IN THE HOUSE AT THE
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| 01:56:16 |
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SAME TIME THAT HAYES WAS PRESIDENT, WHAT WAS THEIR POLITICAL RELATIONSHIP? AND I'LL HANG UP AND LISTEN. >> VERY CLOSE, IN A WORD. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW...
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| 01:56:42 |
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THEM, AND SHE WAS VERY, VERY FOND OF
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| 01:56:46 |
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McKINLEY. AND, IN FACT, SHE REFERRED TO HIM AS THE BOY
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| 01:56:49 |
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AT THE STONE ON THE BURNING DECK, BECAUSE HE USED TO THROW WOOD IN THE FIRE ALL THE TIME AND PRACTICALLY ROAST HER. HE REGARDED HER AS A KIND OF A...
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| 01:57:36 |
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CEMETERY. BURIED BEHIND THEM IS WEBB COOK HAYES I AND HIS WIFE,
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| 01:57:41 |
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MARY MILLER HAYES. WEBB WAS THE ONE WHO HAD THE, WHO CARRIED THROUGH ON HIS FATHER'S WISHES, ACTUALLY, TO CREATE A MUSEUM AND A LIBRARY. AND SO,...
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| 01:58:22 |
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A CALL FROM DANVILLE, CALIFORNIA. GO AHEAD, DANVILLE. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: YES. THERE WAS A MENTION OF CHIEF JOSEPH. AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING...
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| 01:58:33 |
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IN
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| 01:58:34 |
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ARE THE TREATMENT OF THE INDIANS DURING HAYES'
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| 01:58:37 |
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ADMINISTRATION. THERE WAS A LOT OF INDIAN HISTORY GOING ON. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HE,
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| 01:58:42 |
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PART HE TOOK OR HIS ADMINISTRATION TOOK. THANK YOU. >>
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| 01:58:47 |
Caller, -
THANKS. WE HAD A CALL EARLIER AND WE DIDN'T ANSWER IT, THE WAY THE HAYES ADMINISTRATION TREATED THE INDIANS. >> WELL, BASICALLY, THE HAYES ADMINISTRATION...
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| 01:59:07 |
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STOP THE SLAUGHTER OF INDIANS. AND HAYES, WHAT HAYES DID, WAS TO STOP THE REMOVAL OF
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| 01:59:14 |
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INDIANS. SOME INDIANS WERE REMOVED AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS ADMINISTRATION. THE MOVEMENT GOT UNDER WAY DURING GRANT'S ADMINISTRATION TO REMOVE NEZ PERCE...
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| 02:00:03 |
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THERE? >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ROCKS ENGRAVED WITH THEIR NAMES ON THEM.
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| 02:00:10 |
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ALMOST ALL PEOPLE WHO COME HERE AND WHO LEARN ABOUT THE BURIAL OF OLD WHITEY AND OLD NED MAKE THE TRIP BACK THERE. PARTICULARLY, THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE...
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| 02:00:27 |
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LIVERMORE. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: I'D LIKE TO SAY MY FATHER IS A REAL SCHOLAR ON RUTHERFORD B. HAYES. AND SECOND, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON THE...
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| 02:00:44 |
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HAD BASICALLY OCCURRED AS FAR AS SAY, ANNEXATION OF A PLACE LIKE CANADA
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| 02:00:49 |
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IS CONCERNED. HE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF THE CANADIANS WOULD ELECT TO BECOME PART OF THE UNITED STATES. BUT HE WAS OPPOSED TO ANY KIND OF MOVE THAT MIGHT,
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| 02:00:58 |
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ANY AGGRESSIVE
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| 02:00:59 |
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MOVE TO ACQUIRE
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| 02:01:03 |
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CANADA. SO, BUT THE WESTWARD MOVEMENT HAD BASICALLY, THE UNITED STATES DID STRETCH FROM OCEAN TO OCEAN WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT. >> IF YOU'VE JUST JOINED...
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| 02:01:32 |
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MORE CALLS. WE GO NEXT TO TOLEDO, OHIO. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. TOLEDO, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: YES. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. I'M CALLING FROM...
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| 02:01:59 |
Caller, -
INTO TOWN WITH COMFORT AND AT EASE? OR DID HE HAVE SOME KIND OF A SECURITY SYSTEM WITH HIM? >> ROGER BRIDGES. >> THERE WAS NO SECURITY SYSTEM FOR PRESIDENTS...
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| 02:02:28 |
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INTERESTED IN THE FLORA
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| 02:02:29 |
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AND FAUNA. HE HAD A LARGE ORCHARD. HE WALKED INTO TOWN FREQUENTLY, AS MANY AS THREE TIMES A DAY. OF COURSE, IT'S ONLY A COUPLE MILES DOWNTOWN. >> WE'RE...
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| 02:02:59 |
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AND SO, THEY DID USE THAT. MOST OF THE COMMUNICATION, THOUGH, WAS BY TELEGRAPH. THEY ADDED TELEGRAPH OFFICE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >> WHAT'D YOU SAY --...
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| 02:03:08 |
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THINK YOU TOLD
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| 02:03:09 |
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ME THEY DID A LOT OF SINGING? >> OH, YEAH.
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| 02:03:13 |
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THAT SEEMED TO BE THE RAGE IN THOSE DAYS. PEOPLE WOULD SING OVER THE TELEPHONE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A NEW TOY, A NEW INSTRUMENT. ABSOLUTELY AMAZED....
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| 02:03:28 |
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VOICE. >> GREAT NECK, NEW YORK, YOU'RE NEXT FOR OUR GUESTS. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller:
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| 02:03:32 |
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FIRST, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOUR CHANNEL FOR THE TERRIFIC JOB THAT IT'S DOING. YOU'RE CHANGING THE NATURE OF POLITICS IN NEW YORK. I WAS VERY CURIOUS...
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| 02:03:49 |
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HAYES, THEIR POLITICS ARE SO MUCH ALIKE. I GUESS THE "ARTHUR"
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| 02:03:52 |
Caller, -
AND THE "GARFIELD" MAY BE FROM THE OTHER PRESIDENT. >> WELL, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT HAYES REGARDED GARFIELD'S ELECTION AS VINDICATION FOR HIS OWN...
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| 02:04:18 |
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ELEMENTS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. ALTHOUGH HE LATER CAME TO APPRECIATE IT. >> BUT I THINK THE CALLER WAS ASKING ABOUT THE LAWYER, ARTHUR GARFIELD HAYES....
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| 02:04:43 |
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AND GIRLS? >> THEY HAD SEVEN BOYS, ONE GIRL. >>
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| 02:04:46 |
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HOW MANY OF THEM LIVED BEYOND
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| 02:04:47 |
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A YEAR? >> FIVE CHILDREN LIVED BEYOND 2 YEARS OF AGE. TWO DIED DURING THE CIVIL WAR, AND ONE DIED IN 1873, '74,
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| 02:04:57 |
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THE LAST ONE, MANNING
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| 02:04:58 |
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FORCE
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| 02:04:59 |
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HAYES. BUT THE OTHER FIVE LIVED TO ADULTHOOD AND ALL BECAME --
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| 02:05:02 |
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CONTRIBUTING TO
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| 02:05:03 |
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| 02:05:04 |
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SOCIETY. >> OUR NEXT STOP IS THE
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| 02:05:06 |
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JAMES GARFIELD HOME, OVER IN MENTOR, OHIO. I'M NOT SURE I'M PRONOUNCING THAT
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| 02:05:10 |
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RIGHT. ISN'T THERE A DIFFERENT WAY TO PRONOUNCE THAT? WE'LL FIND OUT. LET'S GO TO READING, PENNSYLVANIA, NEXT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. HELLO, READING,...
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| 02:05:25 |
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SOME OF HIS PROGRAMS -- FRUSTRATED. I HEARD YOU SAY THAT HE WAS UPRIGHT. WAS HE A MAN OF ABSOLUTE INTEGRITY AND TRUTHFULNESS? ANY DEMAGOGUERY AT...
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| 02:05:41 |
Caller, -
NOW. >> WELL, WE CERTAINLY CONSIDER HIM TO BE A MAN OF ABSOLUTE INTEGRITY. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT HE ATTEMPTED TO ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH AND TO SERVE...
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| 02:05:58 |
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VIEW? >> WELL, AND I, I'VE LIVED WITH THIS GUY FOR SO
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| 02:06:01 |
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MANY YEARS, AND I'VE REALLY BECOME
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| 02:06:02 |
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FOND OF HIM. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS I'VE BECOME FOND OF HIM IS HE IS TOTALLY TRUTHFUL. EVEN WHEN HE AND LUCY WERE ENGAGED AND THEY WERE TRYING...
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| 02:06:15 |
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WERE SO UNCONVINCING. LUCY SAID THAT SHE TOLD
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| 02:06:20 |
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JOHN HARN, WITH WHOM HAYES SHARED AN OFFICE, A WHITE LIE. PEOPLE JUST SAW RIGHT THROUGH THAT. AND HAYES WOULD MAKE THESE DENIALS AND IT WAS SO TRANSPARENT....
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| 02:06:54 |
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INDIAN HEAD PENNY IS THE RAREST DATE OF THAT SERIES. THE ONLY ONE WITH LESSER VINTAGE WAS AN 1909 S, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE TRANSITION TO THE LINCOLN...
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| 02:07:08 |
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NOT MADE FOR GENERAL CIRCULATION. THE FIVE-CENT NICKEL, THERE WERE ONLY 500 MADE, AND THE 20-CENT PIECE, ONLY 510. WOULD THAT BE BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION...
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| 02:07:46 |
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| 02:07:47 |
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PROBABLY IN THE DEPRESSION OF THE '30s. BUT THE DEPRESSION
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| 02:07:50 |
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LASTED
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| 02:07:51 |
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REALLY UNTIL ABOUT
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| 02:07:52 |
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1879. BY 1879 THE COUNTRY WAS REALLY COMING OUT OF THE DEPRESSION, AFTER THE
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| 02:08:00 |
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RESUMPTION OF SPECIES PAYMENTS. YOU KNOW, MONETARY, HAYES WAS VERY MONETARY, ORTHODOX MONETARILY SPEAKING. >> BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME, WHAT...
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| 02:08:30 |
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REALLY INTENSE TWO-PARTY COMPETITION. >> CANTON, OHIO, YOU'RE NEXT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. HOME OF THE FIRST LADY'S MUSEUM. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller:
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| 02:08:38 |
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GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. IT'S BEEN A REALLY INTERESTING PROGRAM, LISTENING TO WHAT YOU'VE HAD TO SAY. RUTHERFORD AND LUCY WERE MY GREAT, GREAT, GREAT...
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| 02:08:53 |
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ABOUT THE FAMILY HISTORY AND WHERE OTHER DESCENDANTS ARE NOW IN
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| 02:08:58 |
Caller, -
OHIO. >> LET ME START BY ASKING ROGER BRIDGES, IS THERE A PLACE YOU CAN GO TO CONNECT INTO THE DESCENDANTS? >> WELL, OF COURSE YOU CAN. YOU CAN GO TO...
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| 02:09:20 |
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THAT LOWERCASE? >> ALL LOWERCASE. >> BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T ASK YOU EARLIER,
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| 02:09:24 |
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WHO SUPPORTS THIS PLACE? >> WE ARE SUPPORTED JOINTLY BY A PRIVATE FOUNDATION, THE RUTSERFORD B. HAYES PRESIDENTIAL CENTER, INC., AND THE STATE OF OHIO,...
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| 02:09:40 |
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MILLION. >> HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK HERE? >> ABOUT
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| 02:09:42 |
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50. AND WE GO TO
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| 02:09:43 |
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NIAGARA FALLS, NEW YORK, NEXT. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller: JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE
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| 02:09:49 |
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TRIPLE ALLIANCE IN QUESTION A WHILE AGO WAS ARGENTINA, BRAZIL AND URUGUAY, WHICH PRACTICALLY DECIMATED PARAGUAY IN THE
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| 02:09:58 |
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LATE 1870s, THE WAR OF THE TRIPLE
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| 02:10:00 |
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ALLIANCE. >> DOES THAT
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| 02:10:01 |
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HELP YOU? >> I
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| 02:10:02 |
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DIDN'T QUITE CATCH IT. >> THE TRIPLE ALLIANCE WAS WITH ARGENTINA, BRAZIL
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| 02:10:07 |
Caller, -
AND PARAGUAY. >> I SEE. WELL, HE DID MAKE THIS, HE DID ARBITRATE A DISPUTE BETWEEN PARAGUAY AND
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| 02:10:21 |
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ARGENTINA, I THINK IT WAS, AND
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| 02:10:24 |
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| 02:10:25 |
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AWARDED A SECTION OF PARAGUAY, WHICH HAS, LET'S SEE, PRESIDENTE HAYES, AND THE MAIN CITY THERE IS VILLA
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| 02:10:34 |
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HAYES. >> DID HE SPEAK ANY OTHER LANGUAGES THAN ENGLISH? >> YEAH. HE STUDIED GERMAN QUITE DILIGENTLY. HE WANTED TO READ SCHILLER IN THE ORIGINAL WHEN...
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| 02:10:54 |
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BOOKS. >> I ASKED EARLIER WHAT HE
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| 02:10:56 |
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WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU WERE SITTING AROUND HAVING DINNER WITH HIM. WHAT WOULD SHE HAVE BEEN LIKE? >> LUCY WAS ALSO A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATIONALIST....
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| 02:11:16 |
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VIVACIOUS. I WOULD LIKE TO THROW IN VIVACIOUS. >> RIGHT, EXACTLY. >> SHE HAD A GREAT SINGING VOICE. SHE HAD A GREAT ALTO
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| 02:11:23 |
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VOICE AND SHE PLAYED A GUITAR AND SANG VERY, VERY WELL. >> NEXT CALL, WE GO TO COLUMBUS, OHIO. GO AHEAD, PLEASE, COLUMBUS, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller:...
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| 02:11:36 |
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FREMONT LAST YEAR VISITING, OR
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| 02:11:39 |
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MIGHT HAVE BEEN TWO YEARS
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| 02:11:40 |
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AGO, VISITING HIS HOUSE, THE HISTORIAN WHO TOOK US AROUND MENTIONED THAT THERE HAD RECENTLY BEEN AN ISSUE PRESENTED TO CONGRESS BY THE TRUST
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| 02:11:48 |
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THAT
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| 02:11:51 |
Caller, -
RUNS HIS HOME THAT, TO HAVE CONGRESS PROVIDE SOME FINANCIAL AID, OR PERHAPS EVENTUALLY TURN IT OVER TO THE NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM. HOWEVER, CERTAIN MEMBERS...
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| 02:12:55 |
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THAT WAS THE RECEIVED
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| 02:12:57 |
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WISDOM. BUT RECENT HISTORIANS LIKE ARI AND OTHERS HAVE NOTED THAT HE HAD NO CHANCE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. AND HE THOUGHT HE HAD ARRANGED FOR FAIR TREATMENT...
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| 02:13:37 |
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OPENED TO THE PUBLIC AS A PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM IN 1916. >> WHY IS
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| 02:13:42 |
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IT THEN NOT LISTED AMONG PEOPLE AS THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY? >> WELL, IT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A PART OF THE PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY SYSTEM....
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| 02:13:50 |
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LIBRARY SYSTEM INCLUDES EVERY PRESIDENT SINCE HOOVER, WHO CAME AFTER ROOSEVELT, IN TERMS OF CREATION. BUT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A PART OF THAT
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| 02:13:58 |
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SYSTEM, WHEN THEY GIVE OUT THE INFORMATION, WHICH THE NEWS MEDIA USUALLY
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| 02:14:02 |
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GOES TO FIRST, THEY SIMPLY DON'T RECOGNIZE US. >>
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| 02:14:06 |
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WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CALL IN A SECOND. BUT THERE'S FLOWERS OVER HERE ON THIS GRAVE SITE. AND EVERY YEAR, WE UNDERSTAND, THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED...
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| 02:14:26 |
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THOSE FLOWERS HAVE LONG SINCE DISSIPATED. BUT THIS IS A COMMON PRACTICE FOR THE PRESIDENT TO DO AT EVERY ONE OF HIS PREDECESSORS. >> HOW DOES IT WORK?...
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| 02:14:39 |
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ARE FLOWERS PLACED RIGHT HERE? >> YES, THEY ARE. IT'S NOT ALWAYS ON OCTOBER 4th. WE DO IT ON THE WEEKEND CLOSEST TO HIS BIRTHDAY, USUALLY AS PART...
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| 02:14:54 |
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REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PRESIDENT, USUALLY, ALWAYS, A MILITARY OFFICER, GENERAL OFFICER, COMES AND PLACES THOSE
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FLOWERS IN MEMORY OF HAYES, OFFERED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. >> WHERE DOES THE GENERAL COME FROM? >> SOMETIMES INDIANAPOLIS, SOMETIMES...
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NOW,
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BETWEEN 3,500 AND 5,000 PEOPLE WHO ATTEND THE WREATH LAYING. >> LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL FROM WEST COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA. GO AHEAD,
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PLEASE. WEST COLUMBIA, YOU'RE ON THE
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AIR. ARE YOU THERE, WEST COLUMBIA, SOUTH
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CAROLINA? LET'S GO TO ATLANTA NEXT. ATLANTA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: YES,
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THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. >> ATLANTA, ARE YOU THERE? >> Caller: YES, I'M HERE. HELLO. >> GO AHEAD. >> Caller: YES, THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY
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| 02:15:53 |
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CALL. THE HISTORIANS HAD MENTIONED THE TWO SONS, THAT THEY DIED IN THE CIVIL WAR. DID THEY DIE IN COMBAT? DID THEY DIE IN THAT TIME FRAME? AND WHERE...
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| 02:16:06 |
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HOOGENBOOM? >>
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THEY WERE INFANTS WHEN
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THEY DIED. THEY WERE BORN DURING THE
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CIVIL WAR AND
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| 02:16:12 |
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HAYES HARDLY KNEW THEM. AND, IN FACT, HE WAS A LITTLE, ALMOST A LITTLE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF, BECAUSE THE BATTLE OF CHICKAMAUGA OCCURRED SHORTLY AFTER...
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DIED. AND HE CAUGHT
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| 02:16:27 |
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HIMSELF AND HE SAID, "I'M GRIEVING MORE OVER THE LOSS OF THE BATTLE OF CHICKAMAUGA THAN I AM OVER MY OWN DEAR SON." I SAID EARLIER, HIS COMMITMENT...
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| 02:17:02 |
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DAUGHTERS. I AM ALSO A DESCENDANT OF PRESIDENT HAYES. I'M ALSO INVOLVED IN MY LOCAL GOVERNMENT HERE IN SOUTH
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| 02:17:10 |
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CAROLINA. IN RESPONSE TO THE LADY THAT CALLED IN EARLIER, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO EXCHANGE
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| 02:17:14 |
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PHONE NUMBERS, I WOULD LOVE TO TALK WITH
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| 02:17:17 |
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HER. SHE HAS FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA, AS WELL AS ALABAMA. WE HAVE LOTS OF PICTURES, INTERVIEWS THAT'S BEEN DONE BY OUR FAMILY...
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| 02:17:53 |
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A COOKBOOK THAT WAS
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| 02:17:55 |
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PUBLISHED IN 1879 BY M.C. TYREE. AND THE NAME OF IT IS "HOUSEKEEPING IN OLD VIRGINIA." AND ON THE INSIDE OF THIS BOOK, IT SAYS
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| 02:18:05 |
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THAT, "MANY DISTINGUISHED AMERICAN WOMEN PAY TRIBUTE TO THIS BOOK." MRS.
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| 02:18:10 |
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PRESIDENT R.B. HAYES, AND THEN THERE WAS THIS CHIEF JUSTICE M.R. WAKE, MRS. SECRETARY OF STATE, W.M. EVERT, UNITED STATES GOVERNOR, H. PENDLETON,...
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| 02:19:09 |
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YOUNGER CHILDREN WERE
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| 02:19:10 |
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THERE, JUST AS YOUNG, AS KIDS. THE THREE OLDER BOYS WERE IN AND OUT. IN FACT, WEBB SERVED AS A SECRETARY. RUD, THE OLDEST BOY, ACTUALLY, WAS GOING...
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I BELIEVE, IS WHERE HE BEGAN PRACTICING. >> YES. >> WEBB WAS HIS
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SECRETARY FOR A WHILE, WAS REALLY QUITE GOOD. AND YOUNG RUD WAS, IT WAS IN COLLEGE MOST OF THE TIME. SO, WEBB WAS WITH HIM, OF THE OLDER KIDS. THERE...
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| 02:19:47 |
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HOUSE. >> IS YOUR
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| 02:19:49 |
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BOOK STILL IN THE BOOKSTORES? >> OH, YES. WELL, IT'S STILL IN PRINT. >> AND THE TITLE? >> "RUTHERFORD B. HAYES: WARRIOR AND PRESIDENT." UNIVERSITY...
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| 02:20:10 |
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HOUSE. >> THE WHITE
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HOUSE. >> WHEN
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| 02:20:14 |
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PEOPLE COME IN, THEY SEE THE BIG BUILDING THERE. ABOUT HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS YOUR LIBRARY AND MUSEUM? >> THE LIBRARY AND MUSEUM'S
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| 02:20:19 |
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ABOUT 55,000 SQUARE FEET. >> AND THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE 1916? >> NOT THE WHOLE BUILDING. THE FIRST PORTION WAS BUILT IN 1916. IT'S BEEN ADDED TO OVER...
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| 02:20:33 |
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YEAR? >> THE HOUSE WAS BEGUN IN
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| 02:20:35 |
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1859. AND IT ALSO UNDERWENT THREE, TWO MAJOR
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| 02:20:38 |
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EXPANSIONS. THE SECOND WING WAS
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| 02:20:42 |
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ADDED IN 1878, 1879, AS ARI SAID, SUPERVISED BY WEBB. AND THE FINAL SECTION WAS ADDED IN 1889, IT INCLUDED THE HUGE DINING ROOM, SEVERAL BEDROOMS...
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| 02:20:51 |
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THEY CERTAINLY HOPED THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO ENTERTAIN
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| 02:20:55 |
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GRANDCHILDREN, AND WERE SORELY DISAPPOINTED, AS YOU MIGHT EXPECT, WHEN LUCY DIED JUST BEFORE THE EXPANSION WAS COMPLETED. >> YEAH. >> LET ME TAKE A...
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| 02:21:24 |
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THAT NOBODY IN THE UNITED
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| 02:21:26 |
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STATES WAS INTERESTED IN
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| 02:21:30 |
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HAYES, AND DELAWARE, THEY HAD NO INTEREST IN HIM. BUT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT FREMONT. >> WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE IN ARGENTINA WOULD NOT...
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| 02:22:02 |
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PROVINCE IN PARAGUAY. >> LET'S GO TO NEWBERG, MARYLAND. GO AHEAD, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: YES, GOOD MORNING AND GOD BLESS YOU. THIS IS -- WELL,...
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| 02:22:23 |
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OKAY? AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
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| 02:22:27 |
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IS IF -- AS I COULD SEE MR. HAYES WAS TRULY A VERY UPSTANDING PERSON AND TRIED TO MAKE THE WORLD BETTER FOR ALL PEOPLE. AND, I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE...
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| 02:23:28 |
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WELL, HE KISSED A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE ONCE, AND SOMEBODY TRIED TO MAKE MUCH OUT OF
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| 02:23:32 |
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IT. HE WAS REALLY ANNOYED, BECAUSE SHE HAPPENED TO BE THE DAUGHTER OF A FRIEND, AND HE'D BEEN KISSING HER EVER SINCE SHE WAS A LITTLE KID, AND SHE CAME...
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| 02:23:39 |
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MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF IT. BUT HE WAS ANNOYED THAT
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| 02:23:42 |
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SOMEBODY HAD MISINTERPRETED. >> WE GOT ONE MORE CALL HERE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WRAP THIS
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| 02:23:49 |
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UP. IS IT TUPELO, MICHIGAN? IS THAT THE WAY YOU PRONOUNCE IT? >> TUPELO, MISSISSIPPI. >> OH, MISSISSIPPI. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. I'M SORRY. THAT'S ELVIS...
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| 02:24:06 |
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SOUTH. BUT I'D JUST LIKE TO RECALL THE MANY MEMORIES I HAD OF PHOTOGRAPHING FAMILIES AND STUDENTS ON THE
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| 02:24:12 |
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| 02:24:13 |
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GROUNDS. AND, THAT THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE. AND I REALLY ENJOY IT. THANK
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| 02:24:18 |
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YOU. >> THIS IS A TERRIBLE THING TO ASK SOMEBODY, BUT WHAT HAVE WE MISSED? >> PRISON REFORM. HE WAS VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN PRISON REFORM. AND WAS...
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| 02:24:39 |
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OF HIS OPPOSITION TO
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| 02:24:42 |
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THE DEATH PENALTY. HE ONCE ACCOMPANIED A CLIENT THAT HE FAILED TO DEFEND SUFFICIENTLY TO THE GALLOWS, AND IT WAS A HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE FOR HIM. AND...
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| 02:25:16 |
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| 02:25:17 |
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PAST, THROUGH MUSEUMS AND LIBRARIES. AND HE REALLY, ALTHOUGH WE GIVE HAYES, WEBB HAYES, CREDIT FOR THIS, WEBB WAS REALLY CARRYING OUT HIS FATHER'S...
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| 02:25:46 |
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BEFORE AT ONE SITTING, NOT ONE SITTING, BUT ONE GROUP OF PORTRAITS, AND WE'LL BE SHOWING YOU MORE ABOUT THAT AS THIS SERIES GOES ON. BUT IT'S AMERICANPRESIDENTS.ORG...
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| 02:26:57 |
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TO RETURN ANY TIME THAT YOU WANT TO, BRIAN. >>
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| 02:26:59 |
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DO YOU STILL HAVE THOSE DINNERS HERE ON CHRISTMAS? >> WE'RE STILL HAVING DINNERS ON
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| 02:27:04 |
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CHRISTMAS. YOU CAN CALL THE HAYES
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| 02:27:06 |
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PRESIDENTIAL CENTER AT -- 1-800-998-7737 TO FIND OUT ABOUT THEM. >> AND IT COSTS? >> $200 PER PERSON. >> AND WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THEM? >> THIS
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| 02:27:16 |
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IS OUR PRINCIPAL FUND-RAISER DURING THE YEAR. >> THANKS TO PETER SLENT,
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| 02:27:20 |
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GARY ALANWOOD AND THE REST OF OUR
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| 02:27:22 |
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CREW. THAT'S IT FROM FREEMONT, OHIO, AND THE RUTHERFORD B. HAYES PRESIDENTIAL CENTER. (music)(music)
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test . . (music)(music) >>
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.