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GOING BACKWARD. AND SAFETY ANY ALTITUDE GOES BEHIND THE SCENES AT OUR NATION'S AIRPORTS AND PENETRATES THE GOVERNMENT TO PAINT A PICTURE OF A TRANSPORTATION...
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MEET WITH HIM, AND LISTEN TO THE STORY HE HAD
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TO TELL AND WE DID, AND THAT LED US DOWN THIS ROAD TOWARDS THIS BOOK TOOK IS ALL OVER THE WORLD INVESTIGATING AIRLINE SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE ISSUES,...
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| 00:17:05 |
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WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK HIM A QUESTION AND I SAID A CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM A QUESTION AND THE QUESTION I ASKED HIM
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| 00:17:11 |
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WAS YOU DEMONIZED ARGENBRIGHT SECURITY AND THE FUNDERS -- THE SCREENERS, RUINED THEIR LIVES, AND HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT NOW? AND ASHCROFT HEM AND...
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| 00:24:08 |
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MEET A HIJACKER? AND I SAID,
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YEAH. WHO DO YOU HAVE IN MIND AND HE GOES, I KNOW A
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HIJACKER AND I SAID WHO DO YOU KNOW, OH,, YOU KNOW, THE GUY UNBEIRUT
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AND I SAID THE TWA? YEAH. YEAH. AND THE GUY THAT THREW THE NAVY DIVER'S BODY OUT ON THE TARMAC. >> YEAH, I KNOW HIM, YOU WANT TO MEET HIM AND I WAS...
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TWO PLANES IN ONE WEEK. HE HIJACKED AN AIR JORDAN PLANE WITH NINE SKY MARSHALS ABOARD, OKAY? SUCCESSFULLY. AND HE WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE SKY MARSHALS...
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HAVE BOARDING PASSES. THEY WERE TRAVELING FREE. SO, JUST A LITTLE GOOD INTELLIGENCE
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WORK. BUT, THE REAL QUESTION WAS, HOW DID HE GET ACCESS TO BEIRUT AIRPORT SO EASILY? WHY WAS IT SO EASY FOR HIM TO DO ALL THIS? WELL, IT TURNS OUT...
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OPERATIONS. >> BUT
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IT WAS AN ACCIDENT. >> IT WAS AN ACCIDENT
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WE LIED ABOUT. HAD WE SHOT IT DOWN
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| 00:33:01 |
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AND IMMEDIATELY KILLED THE PRESIDENT OF IRAN AND
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| 00:33:04 |
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SAID WE MADE A MISTAKE. WE MISIDENTIFIED IT. WE WERE IN YOUR WATERS THIS MIGHT NOT HAVE ESCALATED, BUT IT DID. AND IRAN USED HEZBOLLAH AND LIBYA TO...
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| 00:33:17 |
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AND KILL INNOCENT
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| 00:33:19 |
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CIVILIANS. TIT-FOR-TAT. THAT'S THE VIEW. AN EYE FOR AN EYE. AND THAT IS THE BACKGROUND OUT THERE THAT AIRLINE SECURITY DOESN'T TALK ABOUT. THAT'S THE...
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LIST OKAY. AND WHAT HAP SEASONS --
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| 00:35:34 |
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HAPPENS IS EACH AGENCY BRINGS IN THE NAME. WELL, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE IRISH TERRORISTS ON THE LIST. MANY OF THEM ARE DEAD BY THE WAY, BUT WHY OULD YOU...
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| 00:36:25 |
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PRIVATE SCREENING COMPANIES USED TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THEY WANTED TO VET THEIR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEY GET IN TROUBLE IF THEY HIRED A CRIMINAL SO...
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| 00:40:32 |
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MADE ME KIND CURIOUS WITH THE NO-FLY LIST LIKE PRIVATE SECURITY FIRMS SCREENING GUIDELINES FROM. WHAT DID THEY OPERATE UNDER? HOW DID THEY -- >> ACTUALLY...
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UNDER NOW. BY THE WAY, THE WHOLE IDEA OF A, YOU KNOW
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THE BOXCUTTER THING WHICH WAS THE BIG THING THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE, YOU WERE ALLOWED
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TO CARRY BOXCUTTERS ON FLIGHTS OR ANY FOUR INCH PLATE. IF THEY CAUGHT THE HIJACKERS WITH THE BOXCUTTERS THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN
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| 00:41:03 |
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BACK TO THEM AND ALLOWED TO GO ON. THE HIJACKERS WERE TOO SMART FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T TRY TO SNEAK THEM ON. BUT THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO BREECH...
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SAUDI
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FUNDER OF
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MOSQUES IN THE UNITED STATES. HE HAD JUST THE WEEK BEFORE TAKEN A TOUR OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. IT MAY MEAN NOTHING, BUT WHEN THE FBI TRIED TO QUESTION...
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| 00:44:00 |
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DON'T TRUST THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE IT TO THEM. THE ISRAELIS WHO RUN THE BEST SECURITY IN THE WORLD. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT...
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| 00:44:08 |
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THINK SECURITY OUGHT TO BE, THEY'RE THE BEST AT IT. WE HAVE NOT ADOPTED ANY OF THAT FOR THE SIMPLE REASON IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT...
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| 00:45:46 |
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FICTION. >> SHOULD JUST GO THROUGH AND KEEP MY SHOES ON AND NOT TURN OUR LAPTOPS ON AND BE ALLOWED TO CARRY SHAMPOO. >> BY THE WAY SO DOES
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| 00:45:58 |
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TSA. WE HAVE A LITTLE WEB SITE FOR THE BOOK AND WE SET UP KIND OF A BLOG FOR PEOPLE AND ONE OF THE FIRST E-MAILS WE GOT WAS FROM A GUY WHO HAD
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| 00:46:07 |
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A FRIEND WHOSE BROTHER WAS AN INS AGENT THIS IS AFTER 9/11 AND THE BROTHER HAD HIS WATER BOTTLE TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM BUT WAS ALLOWED TO CARRY HIS GOT...
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GUN ON BOARD. SO THERE SEEMS TO BE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT WE OUKT TO BE DOING. A -- OUGHT TO BE DOING. >> SCREENING WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP TO CATCH...
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KNOW THAT AHEAD OF TIME. ONE OF THE TOP AVIATION SECURITY SAID ON 9/11 IF THE TERRORISTS HAD GONE THROUGH NAKED THEY COULD HAVE FOUND A WAY TO BRING...
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TSA MODEL FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION IS PUBLIC RELATIONS. IT'S THE IDEA MAKING US FEEL BETTER ABOUT SECURITY. THE IDEA THERE IS SECURITY. THE IDEA WE...
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| 00:48:36 |
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THIS HUGE, HUGE, HUGE BUREAUCRACY. THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE HAD NEVER WORKED AIRPORT SECURITY. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN CHARGE FROM THE COAST GUARD. WE HAVE PEOPLE...
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IS RELUCTANT ABOUT HAVING A
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| 00:51:23 |
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PUBLIC ENTITY OF THIS SCALE WAS JOHN
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| 00:51:27 |
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McCAIN. THIS WAS JOHN McCAIN'S BABY AND THIS IS -- HE IS MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CREATION OF TSA THAN ANYONE. AND YOU KNOW, HE HAS TO LIVE WITH THIS....
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| 00:52:46 |
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FIRM THAT THAT DOES THIS FOR THE GOVERNMENT CHARGES 50-06 AND YOU CAN GET A BACK AND SO FORTH. THE PROBLEM IS THAT AT DULLES IN APRIL, MIKE AM I RIGHT...
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| 00:53:00 |
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RAID OUT AT DULLES AND THEY FOUND FOUR ILLEGAL ALIENS WITH ALL ACCESS PASSES, CONTROL TOWER EVERY PLACE IN THE AIRPORT. SO IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GET ...
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| 00:54:13 |
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HIM AND TRIED HIM AND PUT HIM IN JAIL. HE WAS IN JAIL FOR 18 YEARS AND NOT ONE PERSON IN THE GOVERNMENT ASKED HIM HOW DID YOU HIJACK THE PLANES? HOW...
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| 00:54:57 |
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GUY. THAT'S KIND OF STRANGE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. [INAUDIBLE] >> IT'S UP TO YOU. IT'S UP TO YOU. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, -- >> HOW'D YOU GET HERE? >> WE FLEW...
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| 00:55:26 |
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I HATE TO BE BRUTAL ABOUT THIS IF YOU LOST A PLANE A YEAR TO TERRORISM ALL THE FLIGHTS
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| 00:55:32 |
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THAT TAKE PLACE THAT'S STILL A LOT LOWER
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| 00:55:34 |
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THAN CAR ACCIDENTS AND ALL THE BAD THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU OR THE BRITISH TRAIN SYSTEM. IF YOU'RE NOT ON IT BUT ALSO OTHER THINGS HAPPEN BOLTS...
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| 00:57:32 |
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US. OH, WELL, THAT'S TOO BAD. PICK A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, FAA. CIA. FBI WHOEVER YOU WANT TO PICK AND SAY IT'S YOUR JOB TO MONITOR
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| 00:57:42 |
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EVERY PASSENGER THAT'S FLYING IN AMERICA. YOU NEED TO KNOW WHO'S FLYING AND IF YOU WANT TO FLY, YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TELL THE GOVERNMENT WHO THE...
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| 00:59:29 |
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DO THEY DO A RELIABLE JOB? CAN THEY BE TRUSTED? >> THEY CAN BE TRUSTED BUT WE HAVE OTHER AGENCIES THAT SOMETIMES GO ALONG
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| 00:59:38 |
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TO THE SITES THAT MIGHT NOT BE SO TRUSTWORTHY. I MEAN, IT HAPPENS. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE INTEREST
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| 00:59:47 |
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IS. PAN AM 103 UNFORTUNATELY
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| 00:59:49 |
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HAD SOME CIA PEOPLE ON-SITE WHO WERE ACCUSED OF TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE LATER BY THE SCOTTISH AUTHORITIES.
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| 00:59:55 |
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YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE PEOPLE ON THE PLANE. THEY MAY HAVE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TAMPERING OF BUT THAT WAS THE ACCUSATION....
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WENT TO FIRST
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QUESTION THE SCREENERS THEY BROUGHT
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| 01:01:14 |
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THEM DOWNSTAIRS INTO THE BAGGAGE AREA OF THE AIRPORT AND THEY
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| 01:01:17 |
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DIVIDED THEM UP AND STARTED QUESTIONING THEM AND
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| 01:01:19 |
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THEY BASICALLY CHALLENGED THE WAY THEY WANTED THE HIJACK E AND SUSAN HAS AN INTERESTING STORY TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE RECOGNITION OF THE HIJACKERS AND...
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| 01:01:50 |
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CAM THROUGH AND OF COURSE THERE WERE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THAT CHECKPOINT THAT MORNING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT WAS...
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| 01:03:45 |
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CRITICISM TO THE SCREENERS. SOME PEOPLE FILING THE LAWSUITS HAVE DONE THAT. IT'S NONSENSE. THE SCREENING PROCEDURES WERE PERFECT SO THE QUESTION IS...
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| 01:05:23 |
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THEM. BACK IN THE 80S. SO HE HAS SOME EXPERIENCE
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| 01:05:28 |
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IN THIS AREA. >> WHERE DOES CONGRESS FIT IN? >> WELL, THEY CREATED THE MESS. THEY DID IT, IT WAS POLITICAL COVER. IT WAS A REACTION. KEN MADE WHO...
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| 01:05:53 |
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IT BECAME, ONE OF THE GREAT IDEAS
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| 01:05:55 |
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THAT WAS FLOATING AROUND WAS TO KEEP THE PRIVATE SCREENERS BUT HAVE FEDERAL SUPERVISION OF THE PRIVATE SCREENERS INSTEAD OF THE AIRLINES BECAUSE THE...
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| 01:06:38 |
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INTELLIGENCE BRINGING THE LIST IN WITH HIM. BROUGHT THE LIST IN. HE'S READING THINGS FROM THE LIST AND THEY BOTH ADMITTED THEY HAD NEVER SEEN THE NO-FLY...
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| 01:07:46 |
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WORKING. THE BIGGEST THING WAS THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T DO THE PROFILING THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T GO TO A MUCH TOUGHER FORM OF SCREENING AFTER THE PAN...
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| 01:07:56 |
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DISASTER. THE GORE COMMISSION AFTER THE TWA FLIGHT OFF LONG ISLAND WHEN THEY FIRST THOUGHT IT WAS TERRORISM MADE SERIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS NOW SOME OF...
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THIS
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