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FAR SENATOR, WITH THE TITLE THAT THE AND IS ITALICIZED. AND I SUSPECT THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE COMBINED FAITH AND POLITICS IN YOUR CAREER IN SOME PRETTY...
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ALL IS THE BASIC ME. AND I WAS A POLITICIAN FOR ONLY A PART OF MY LIFE, A BIG CHUNK. THE REASON FOR LEAVING THE U.S. SENATE WAS THAT I DIDN'T WANT...
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IN THE PARISH MINISTRY. I ALWAYS PRACTICED LAW OR WAS IN SOME POLITICAL JOB, SO I WAS NEVER, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SET OF THE REAL
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DEAL WHO WAS DOING THEIR MINISTRY FULL TIME. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I WAS ORDAINED AND I ALWAYS FELT PART OF THAT ORDINATION SHOULD CARRY SOMETHING...
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PARTY. AND THE TURNING POINT FOR YOU AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS SEEMS TO ME ABOUT THE BOOK IS THE TERRY SCHIAVO CHASE COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT...
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TUBE FOR SOMETHING LIKE 15 YEARS WAS BEING MADE OR TEMPTED TO BE MADE BY POLITICIANS AND BY RELIGIOUS ACTIVISTS. AT THAT TIME, THE TERRY SCHIAVO CASE...
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THE OPPOSITION TO EARLY STAGE STEM CELL RESEARCH WAS ONE, THIS WHOLE MARRIAGE GAY MARRIAGE THING TO ME WAS JUST AN EFFORT
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TO APPEAL TO ONE PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS GROUP. AND THE CONCERN ABOUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ON COURTHOUSE WALLS IN ALABAMA AND THAT KIND OF THING, SO I --...
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BASE. IT WAS AN ASPECT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I MEAN, THERE WAS PAT ROBERTSON AND JERRY FALL WELL AND SO FORTH AND ABORTION WAS A BIG ISSUE. BUT...
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THERE. SO I NEVER VIEWED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS BEING A RELIGIOUS PARTY DURING THE TIME I WAS SOME ELECTED POLITICS. MAYBE I WAS DENSE. MAYBE IT WAS...
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TIME AROUND CHALLENGED THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT, AND NOW FEELS THE NEED TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, BECOME FRIENDS IF HE WANTS THE NOMINATION AND SO IN OTHER...
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DOESN'T PARTICULARLY BOTHER ME. WHAT DOES BOTHER ME IS WHEN A RELIGIOUS AGENDA BECOMES A POLITICAL AGENDA AND WHEN IT BECOMES VERY DIVISIVE. I'M GOING...
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A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND THEY MADE PUBLIC A BOOK THAT I HAD WRITTEN AND THEY SUGGESTED I WRITE A BOOK, AND THIS IS WHEN IT CAME OUT. I'M SURE IT WOULD...
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ATTENTION IN AN ELECTION TIME. ON THE OTHER HAND, IN OUR COUNTRY, IT'S ALWAYS AN ELECTION TIME. IT'S NEVER MORE THAN TWO YEARS AWAY, SO -- >> Host:...
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RELATIONSHIP.
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BUT WHAT IS THAT RELATIONSHIP? TO WHAT EXTENT SHOULD A POLITICAL PARTY ATTEMPT TO EMBODY A PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS CREED. >> Host: WELL, LET'S GET TO THE...
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A MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION BUT HAS BECOME INSTEAD A DIVICIVE FORCE OF AMERICAN POLITICAL FORCE, SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG AND WE SHOULD CORRECT...
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LIVES, INCLUDING THEIR POLITICAL LIVES. THE PROBLEM STARTS WHEN PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THEY REALLY DO UNDERSTAND WITH CERTAINTY WHAT GOD'S TRUTH IS. AND...
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CHURCH/STATE SEPARATION? HAVE WE LOST SOME SENSE OF THAT AMONG CHRISTIANS THAT THERE IS A RELIGIOUS BASIS? >> Guest: AGAIN, RELIGION INFORMS HOW WE...
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THIS IS WHAT THE CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES ARE POINTING OUT AND RIGHTLY SO. THAT IF THE WHEELS ARE COMING OFF OF SOCIETY, THAT'S NOT GOOD. SO RELIGIOUS...
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RELIGIOUS LEFT. SO I THINK IT'S -- ISN'T IT FAIR TO SAY WHAT YOU'RE ARGUING FOR COULD APPLY EQUALLY TO GOING IN EITHER DIRECTION AS A CHRISTIAN? >> Guest:...
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RECONCILIATION? I MEAN, YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED WHAT IT ISN'T TO BE A CHRISTIAN IN POLITICS OR WHAT ONE SHOULD AVOID, THE PIT FALLS. WHAT IS IT IN A POSITIVE...
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MEAN? >> Guest: IT MEANS, I THINK, A SEARCH FOR COMMON GROUNDS. IT MEANS A RECOGNITION OF OUR OWN LIMITATIONS. IT MEANS REALIZING THAT PEOPLE EVEN PEOPLE...
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MEANS CIVILITY. IT MEANS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WORK OF GOVERNMENT IS MORE THAN JUST WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION, BY PUSHING AS MANY HOT BUTTONS WE CAN...
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FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE OF EITHER BEING ABLE TO DO THAT OR NOT QUITE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT BUT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW IT LOOKS IN PRACTICE? >> Guest:...
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HOUSING WENT AWAY. AND THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO RECONSTITUTE THAT WITH THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT. AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE A BIPARTISAN EFFORT,...
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MISSION. WHERE'S THE VOICE? >> Guest: I THINK THE VOICE IS MUTEED NOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO DO. THAT'S WHY I'M WRITING AND MAKING APPEARANCES...
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I'M COUNTING ON THIS RESONATING AND I'M COUNTING ON A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE SOMETHING IS REALLY WRONG IN AMERICAN POLITICS AND WRONG IN THE RELATIONSHIP...
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BEEN -- I MEAN, RIGHT NOW IN THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, ANYBODY WHO PICKS UP A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE AND SEES A MENTION OF THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH IS GOING TO SEE...
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ORDAIN GAY BISHOPS AND THE BISHOPS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, BUT 99.3% PEOPLE ARE EPISCOPALIANS COULDN'T CARE LESS WHO OUR BISHOP'S ARE, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY...
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YOU KNOW. BUT FIRST, WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE BREAK. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, AND I WANT TO ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THINGS LIKE ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE,...
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ABOUT IT IN SOUTH AFRICA BUT IS NOT IN THE UNITED STATES. SO I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. WE HAVEN'T TALKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOME OF...
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INDICATES THAT IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING TO OVERTURN ROE VS. WADE. IF IT WOULD, IT WOULD TURN BACK OVER TO THE STATE LEGISLATURES....
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THINK THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY BELIEVE THAT A FETUS IS A HUMAN BEING, A PERSON. AND THEY BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED. I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR BELIEF....
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RECONCILIATION POSSIBLE? THAT TO SAY, DO WE HAVE TO GO AROUND THAT ARGUMENT AND WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE OPEN TO SOME OF THE THESE COMMON GROUND PROPOSALS?...
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THE ARGUMENT RELATING TO ROE VS. WADE WAS ONE OF CONSTITUTIONAL INTERPRETATION AND HOW -- AND THE BREADTH OF LEGISLATIVE POWER TO DETERMINE VALUE ...
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COURT READ THE CONSTITUTION IN SUCH A BROAD FASHION AS TO IMPEDE THE RIGHTS OF THE LEGISLATURE. I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE BASIC ISSUE. AND NOW THAT...
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COURTS SHOULD BE TO INTERPRET LAW AND NOT CREATE SOCIAL POLICY, THEN YOU DON'T REALLY WANT
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A JUDICIARY AND A SUPREME COURT THAT COMES OUT WITH A PARTICULARLY PRECOOKED POLITICAL POSITION EVEN IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT POSITION. >> Host: YEAH....
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CONCEPTION, WITH PREVENTING PREGNANCIES OF KIDS AND
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ANYTHING THAT IS EFFECTIVE IN DOING THAT, I THINK WOULD BE MORE FRUITFUL THAN TRANSFORMING THE SUPREME COURT INTO WHAT THEY HAD COMPLAINED IT HAD...
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BIT ABOUT THAT? >> Guest: SURE. MY BROTHER, DON, AND I WAS VERY CLOSE TO HIM DIED OF LOU GERHIG'S DISEASE, ALS. IT WAS VERY PAINFUL TO WATCH THIS....
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ALS PATIENTS THEIR MINDS ARE TRAPPED IN THEIR WEAKEND BODIES, AND THAT WAS THE CASE. AND SO I AM FOR MEDICAL RESEARCH. I AM FOR TRYING TO CURE DISEASES...
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IT MAY BE MOTIVATED WITH RELIGION BUT THERE'S NOTHING UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR THAT. ONE ARE THE LARGER REASONS FOR THE COMMON GOOD FOR THIS LEGISLATION....
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RELIGIOUS MOTIVATION OR ARGUMENTS, WHICH ARE LEGITIMATE TO BRING IN AND SAY WHAT ARE THE SCIENTIFIC
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ARGUMENTS? WHAT IS IT FOR THE COMMON GOOD. IN MY VIEW THAT'S HOW THE FIRST AMENDMENT WORKS IN A WAY BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE --
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IF WE'RE FORBIDDEN IN THIS COUNTRY
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FOR HAVING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION BY THE GOVERNMENT, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING, THEN THE QUESTION IS, HOW CAN WE HAVE RELIGION INVOLVED IN...
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PUBLIC LIFE. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD A FORMULATION OF WHAT I'VE HEARD IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. LET'S MOVE ON TO ONE YOU JUST MENTIONED EARLIER...
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ABOUT AND THAT'S GAY MARRIAGE. THERE'S PROBABLY NO MORE DIFFICULT ISSUE EXCEPT FOR ABORTION IN OUR PUBLIC LIFE TODAY. YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR MIND ABOUT...
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OR GENDER. THAT IT HAS TO DO WITH NOT WHAT YOU WANT BUT JUST WHO YOU ARE, AND THEREFORE I THINK IT'S SIMILAR. >> Host: WELL, HAVING SAID THAT, THEN...
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PROPOSAL? >> Guest: MY OWN VIEW IS THAT THAT MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. AND MY OWN VIEW IS THAT THIS CLEARLY IS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE....
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QUESTION. I THINK THAT THE COMMON GROUND WHERE MAYBE A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD AGREE WOULD SAY FIRST OF ALL DO NOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE ON THE...
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AS A CLERGY
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PERSON AND SAID, WOULD YOU BLESS OUR RELATIONSHIP AND IT WAS A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP, I WOULD DO THAT. IT WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE A MARRIAGE. IT WOULD...
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CASE THAT THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BEYOND SIMPLY SAYING THIS IS WHAT MANY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN IN ORDER...
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LEGISLATORS DO MAKE. IT'S NOT STRICTLY RELIGIOUS. THAT MARRIAGE IS A CIVIL RELATIONSHIP SO I THINK THEY COULD DEFINE SOME WAY OF WORKING OUT A CIVIL...
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TO CALL IT MARRIAGE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE WHERE WE'RE FALLING OUT HERE IN THIS COUNTRY. WE'RE SEEMING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE BENEFITS TO SAME SEX COUPLES...
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IT'S -- IT DOES RELATE TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN, NOT PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX. SO I THINK PEOPLE COULD SAY THAT FROM THE RELIGIOUS...
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ISSUE THAT TRADITIONALLY
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LEGISLATORS HAVE MADE. >> Host: IF WE JUST HAD GOVERNMENT INVOLVED WITH THESE BENEFITS, WOULDN'T WE THEN BE LEAVING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DEFINE MARRIAGE...
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HAVE SUCH AND SUCH A CHURCH SAYING WE'RE GOING TO CALL -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO CALL IT A BLESSING. WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT MARRIAGE. THEY COULD DO THAT...
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RELIGIOUS GROUP WHAT TO DO. I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY OWN VIEW OF IT, WHATEVER IT'S WORTH. IT MAY NOT BE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. TO ME MARRIAGE DOES CONOT...
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DARFUR. AND THERE IS A LOT OF CONSTERNATION AMONG MANY PEOPLE AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ABOUT THAT HUMAN TRAGEDY. WHAT CAN BE DONE? IS THIS -- ARE WE PAIRALIZED...
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THE SPECTRUM FOR SUDAN WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE ATTENTION THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS GIVEN SUDAN. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THE DARFUR ISSUE IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT...
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BUT WHAT CAN CHRISTIANS DO TO CARRY OUT WHAT YOU CALL A MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO IN THE LAST MINUTE...
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RECONCILING FORCE AND NOT A DIVISIVELY. IF USED DIVISIVELY IT'S VERY DAMAGING TO THE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD. AS FAR AS POLITICIANS IN THE WORLD ARE...
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WE'RE
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