| 00:00:1815 min. |
Weldon, Curt - U.S. Representative, [R] Pennsylvania
The full committee hearing will come to order, and I have the honor on my last hearing of chairing at least the opening of this hearing... |
| 00:16:061 min. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Curt, thank you for your excellent comments. We thank you for them. There is a Scottish song that is to the tune of ``When Johnny Comes... |
| 00:17:084 min. |
Weldon, Curt - U.S. Representative, [R] Pennsylvania
I thank the distinguished ranking member, and I would be remiss if I did not mention our staff on both sides of the aisle. We have the best... |
| 00:21:27 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Mr. Chairman, thank you, and I ask for unanimous consent to put my statement in the record at this point. |
| 00:21:27 |
Weldon, Curt - U.S. Representative, [R] Pennsylvania
Without objection. [The prepared statement of Mr. Skelton can be found in the Appendix on page 49.] |
| 00:21:272 min. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
I will be very brief. However, I would hope the witnesses would help answer the question, ``Should Iraqi unit performance be considered... |
| 00:23:3030 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Chairman Hunter, Representative Skelton, and distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you... |
| 00:24:00 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
General Flynn, absolutely, and without objection, all written statements will be taken into the record, so feel free to summarize in the... |
| 00:24:002 min. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Yes, sir. I would like to now highlight briefly some of the key aspects of our approach. Our transition teams advise, train and mentor Iraqi... |
| 00:26:2312 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Thank you, General Flynn. And General Ham and General Lovelace, do you have statements at this time? General Ham? |
| 00:26:353 min. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Sir, if I may, Mr. Chairman and Congressman Skelton and members, again, thanks for this opportunity to come talk with you about how we are... |
| 00:29:55 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
General Ham, thank you. [The prepared statement of General Ham can be found in the Appendix on page 59.] General Lovelace. STATEMENT... |
| 00:29:551 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, very quickly, Chairman Hunter, Congressman Skelton, distinguished Members of Congress, first off, on behalf of the Secretary of the... |
| 00:31:521 min. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Thank you very much, General. [The prepared statement of General Lovelace can be found in the Appendix on page 62.] And gentlemen,... |
| 00:33:15 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
I will sit closer to it, sir. Is that all right? |
| 00:33:15 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Okay. |
| 00:33:1537 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, the team composition, and it is in the written testimony, basically is about 10 to 15 people. The lowest that the teams go down to... |
| 00:33:5257 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Okay. What have you got if you are an Iraqi battalion? Let us presume you are in the Sunni Triangle or in Baghdad; you are making... |
| 00:34:4954 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, the teams that we are training that go with the Iraqi battalions are normally 11-man teams, and the composition is usually 2 infantry... |
| 00:35:4360 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Okay. So there is a difference between this concept of having this team that is basically an advisory team, and also--it also gives you... |
| 00:36:4320 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, these advisors do train, though. They mentor. And also by their presence, sir, they are setting a personal example by being there,... |
| 00:37:0317 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Okay. Gentlemen, do you gentlemen have personal experience watching the teams that are present in Iraq work with the Iraqi military? Have... |
| 00:37:20 |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Yes, sir, I have. |
| 00:37:2011 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Give us your assessment of how effectively they work. |
| 00:37:3133 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Sir, quite obviously, the performance of the Iraqi units is across the spectrum, but the teams, in addition to their advising and mentoring... |
| 00:38:049 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Okay. I have got a few other questions, but let us move down the line here to the distinguished gentleman from Missouri, Mr. Skelton. |
| 00:38:1311 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Mr. Chairman, thank you. General Lovelace, to your knowledge, when did we begin training Iraqi troops? |
| 00:38:241 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, the training of the Iraqi soldiers started almost immediately in 2003. It was done at a very small level, and in or around the summer... |
| 00:39:4516 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
General, how many Iraqi forces are fully trained and capable of sustaining themselves today? |
| 00:40:01 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, let me do this. I probably have the information with me. I do not have that specific---- |
| 00:40:01 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Could you give me your best judgment? |
| 00:40:0117 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, right now, they have--when you are talking about Iraqi forces, I am assuming that you are talking about the police and the army. |
| 00:40:1811 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
I am talking about those that can operate on their own and go after the insurgents or the sectarian violence or whoever is out there. |
| 00:40:299 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, there are about 80-plus battalions at this time who are able to operate in the lead. |
| 00:40:3810 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
How many are there all together in the training program today? |
| 00:40:48 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, when we have got it, I will get right back with you. |
| 00:40:48 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Well, can you tell us before the end of the hearing? |
| 00:40:48 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Oh, yes, sir. I am saying somebody behind me is going to hand me the answers. |
| 00:40:4824 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
One last question. Generally, should the Iraqi unit performance be considered a reflection of the training team's proficiency? |
| 00:41:12 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I am taking a while just to think about how to answer that. I mean, it is a lot---- |
| 00:41:129 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Just tell the truth. That will work. |
| 00:41:21 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, that is what I am about to do. Sir, any job---- |
| 00:41:21 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
I have Fort Leonard Wood in my district. |
| 00:41:21 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
I am sorry, sir? |
| 00:41:2121 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
I have Fort Leonard Wood in the 4th District of Missouri, and the product that those drill sergeants put out is a reflection as to how good... |
| 00:41:42 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir---- |
| 00:41:4211 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Let me ask you again. Should an Iraqi unit's performance be considered a reflection of the training team's proficiency? |
| 00:41:5317 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I think that the training team is trained and equipped, and what they are capable of doing in some measure is a reflection of the capability... |
| 00:42:10 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
| 00:42:101 min. |
Excuse me. Mr. Skelton, I did not realize you were going to give up. I am a little confused here. The gentleman said that he was going to... |
| 00:43:19 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
He will in a few moments. |
| 00:43:1913 sec. |
He said a few moments. That was a few moments. You have got somebody right there. They are writing numbers down there. We do not even know... |
| 00:43:32 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Has someone given them to you yet, General? |
| 00:43:32 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, nobody has given me numbers yet, no. |
| 00:43:3212 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
When the General gets the numbers that the gentleman from Missouri requested, we will give him every opportunity to---- |
| 00:43:44 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Just raise your hand, all right? |
| 00:43:44 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I will. I am not trying to keep any information from anybody. I mean, I just do not have it---- |
| 00:43:447 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
General, get closer to the mike. We cannot hear you. |
| 00:43:51 |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Just raise your hand when you get the numbers, please. |
| 00:43:5123 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Okay. The gentleman will provide that when he receives it. The gentleman from Indiana, Mr. Hostettler, is recognized, and I think... |
| 00:44:1450 sec. |
Weldon, Curt - U.S. Representative, [R] Pennsylvania
I thank my colleague. Yes, Mr. Reyes is not here. I was going to make this in the opening statement, but Mr. Reyes' integrity has been impugned by... |
| 00:45:04 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
I thank the gentleman. And continuing this line of questioning, Mr. Hostettler, do you have any questions you would like to ask? |
| 00:45:0410 sec. |
No questions. |
| 00:45:14 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
The gentleman from South Carolina, Mr. Spratt. |
| 00:45:141 min. |
Spratt, John M Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] South Carolina
Thank you very much for your testimony. About a year ago, a little bit longer perhaps, we were given the formulation that our troops would... |
| 00:46:2460 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I am not sure what information specifically you received. I know that the strategy is that as we build the capacity for the Iraqi security... |
| 00:47:2411 sec. |
Spratt, John M Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] South Carolina
Do we have a process for determining equipment that we would otherwise leave behind that can be refurbished and brought to utility for these... |
| 00:47:35 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, they go through a foreign military sales program no different than what any other country would. |
| 00:47:35 |
Spratt, John M Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] South Carolina
Oh, okay. |
| 00:47:3527 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
So that is how they secure it. As far as leaving behind equipment, U.S. equipment, if it is appropriate and it is excess and in accordance... |
| 00:48:0246 sec. |
Spratt, John M Jr. - U.S. Representative, [D] South Carolina
Let me ask you along a different line of questioning because time is limited, are you concerned as we shift to this role of fewer Americans... |
| 00:48:4845 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir--I will take a shot at that, sir. I think the key part is to making sure that we train them correctly and we man them correctly, and... |
| 00:49:338 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
I thank the gentleman. Folks, we have about 5 minutes left on a 15-minute vote. |
| 00:49:4127 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Real quick, just one addendum. Sir, one of the other important pieces is, that is why then we equip that force clearly with communications... |
| 00:50:081 min. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Thank the gentleman. We will resume in about ten minutes. We have one vote, folks, with about five minutes left. [Recess.] Okay,... |
| 00:51:414 min. |
Simmons, Robert "Rob" R. - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Thank you Mr. Chairman and I thank you very much for tolerating my repeated comments about the importance of embedded advisers, especially... |
| 00:55:548 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Before they answer it, let me just tell you, I think we have our first volunteer on that CODEL, and in case, you didn't know it---- |
| 00:56:02 |
Simmons, Robert "Rob" R. - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
He better hurry up and do it before the end of the year. |
| 00:56:02 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
In case you didn't know it, you are leading it, and which day of the week would you like to take off next week? |
| 00:56:02 |
Simmons, Robert "Rob" R. - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
How about tomorrow night? |
| 00:56:0213 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Okay, you got it. We handled that one. Gentlemen, you want to answer those questions? |
| 00:56:154 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
I will start off here. Just some interesting statistics here. You talk about, sir, whether it is career enhancing to have been an adviser.... |
| 01:00:19 |
Simmons, Robert "Rob" R. - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
I appreciate that. And General Ham. |
| 01:00:192 min. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
First, Congressman Simmons, you are indeed welcome. Mr. Chairman, whenever you would like to send someone, either Members or staff,... |
| 01:02:421 min. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Representative Simmons, I would like to add one thing about whether this is good for a Marine's career. Marines traditionally have valued... |
| 01:03:531 min. |
Simmons, Robert "Rob" R. - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
I want to conclude, Mr. Chairman, by saying, our soldiers did a magnificent job in defeating a conventional force quickly and efficiently.... |
| 01:04:54 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Mr. Chairman. |
| 01:04:5444 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
I thank the gentleman and I thank the gentleman for his great service on the committee, as well as the gentleman from Colorado here, Mr.... |
| 01:05:3853 sec. |
Ortiz, Solomon P. - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I know we have been in this war for too long, three and a half years. I know its history about what happened in... |
| 01:06:3119 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I accept your question, I am not in a position to answer--I don't have the knowledge, I mean, this is a policy issue. Things were made--decisions... |
| 01:06:5044 sec. |
Ortiz, Solomon P. - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
And the reason I ask is, because we hope that if this was a mistake, that we do not make this mistake again. This is why this is very, very... |
| 01:07:3443 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, I just say one thing on that. I don't think we have that information. And but the other part I say, I think one of the things that... |
| 01:08:1726 sec. |
Ortiz, Solomon P. - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
Now talking about advisers, I was going through some of the statements, and I understand that they go through 35- to 40-day training. In... |
| 01:08:431 min. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, as I said in my opening statement, the training is standards based. We in the Marine Corps, very similar to how the Army does it, we... |
| 01:10:0027 sec. |
Ortiz, Solomon P. - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
Because what I see, I think you embed anywhere from 10 to 15 to 20, and the list that I saw, they are mostly senior, either lieutenant colonels,... |
| 01:10:271 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, if I could and what I like to do is--I don't have the casualty rates. We will--matter of fact, one of the things we watch very carefully,... |
| 01:12:0026 sec. |
Ortiz, Solomon P. - U.S. Representative, [D] Texas
See, and the reason I asked about the casualty rate, because you don't know who they are going to be embedded with. They could turn against... |
| 01:12:2615 sec. |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
My friend from Texas, we will get that casualty rate for the embedded personnel to date. We will try to get that for you today. I think... |
| 01:12:41 |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Yes, sir, I will give it to my manpower folks, sir. |
| 01:12:4111 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Mr. Skelton, I do have an answer to his questions. |
| 01:12:52 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
I was going to say, Mr. Skelton has, as an answer and he had a few comments, too. |
| 01:12:5233 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, the question that you asked me was the numbers of units that are in the lead. There is a total of ten divisions in the Iraqi security... |
| 01:13:2550 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Thank you. One quick comment, General, we all know whether it is insurgency, counter insurgency, force on force, the side that always wins... |
| 01:14:151 min. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Sir, I will take a shot at that. In my discussions, very frequently, with the commander of the Iraq Assistance Group, who is in Iraq and... |
| 01:15:20 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
Thank the gentleman. The gentleman from Minnesota, Mr. Kline. |
| 01:15:2040 sec. |
Kline, John - U.S. Representative, [R] Minnesota
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very much for being here. I have two questions I want to get out, so I will ask them quickly and I am... |
| 01:16:0015 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, the way we source the teams, they are already a result of a request for forces, or an RFF, which delineates the mission for the team... |
| 01:16:15 |
Kline, John - U.S. Representative, [R] Minnesota
From whom? |
| 01:16:15 |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
From the theater commanders. |
| 01:16:15 |
Kline, John - U.S. Representative, [R] Minnesota
General Lovelace? |
| 01:16:1515 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, the same, and they also prescribe training, the training standards and the program construction that we train back in the States, and... |
| 01:16:3018 sec. |
Kline, John - U.S. Representative, [R] Minnesota
So that, since that request for forces, apparently you both have the same one; the team should then look the same, is that right? We have... |
| 01:16:4815 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, that is being done independently in the multinational force. They have been adding up. They have been adding some additional support... |
| 01:17:0340 sec. |
Kline, John - U.S. Representative, [R] Minnesota
Thank you. We had the opportunity to chat a little bit during the break, so to speak. Unfortunately, I left before I heard the complete... |
| 01:17:431 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
I will start off. My hesitation was to make sure I understood the question, and I apologize, Congressman Skelton. Whether the performance... |
| 01:19:2734 sec. |
Kline, John - U.S. Representative, [R] Minnesota
If I could just interrupt for a second. This is a point that we were discussing earlier. It seems to me that what you don't want is a tight... |
| 01:20:01 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
No, sir. That is exactly right, sir. You helped me say it much better. Thank you. |
| 01:20:0114 sec. |
Kline, John - U.S. Representative, [R] Minnesota
I have been thinking about it. Thank you. And incredibly, Mr. Chairman, I yield back. |
| 01:20:15 |
Hunter, Duncan Lee - U.S. Representative, [R] California
I thank the gentleman. And the gentleman from Arkansas, Dr. Snyder. |
| 01:20:153 min. |
Snyder, Victor "Vic" - U.S. Representative, [D] Arkansas
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for having this hearing. I know of your continued interested in this issue, Mr. Chairman, but I think... |
| 01:23:3660 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, the Special Forces' core competency is foreign internal defense. In the past, the conventional forces have also been used, and just... |
| 01:24:36 |
Snyder, Victor "Vic" - U.S. Representative, [D] Arkansas
I think these are very wonderful young men and women that are doing these things. |
| 01:24:3629 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
To get to your question, what we also have is a growing level of maturity and experience inside the conventional force that we don't want... |
| 01:25:057 sec. |
Snyder, Victor "Vic" - U.S. Representative, [D] Arkansas
General Ham, you refer to numbers 10 to 50. Do they all train together as a unit? |
| 01:25:129 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
They do, sir. When they come to Fort Riley, they come from disparate locations, but they are formed as a team at Fort Riley and go through... |
| 01:25:21 |
Snyder, Victor "Vic" - U.S. Representative, [D] Arkansas
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My time is up. |
| 01:25:213 min. |
Saxton, H. "James" James - U.S. Representative, [R] New Jersey
Let me follow up on Mr. Snyder's question for a minute. A few weeks ago the Ranking Member Mr. Skelton pointed out a book that talked a... |
| 01:28:261 min. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Sir, the feedback that we have gotten from the early deploying transition teams was that the number one task that they thought that they... |
| 01:29:3618 sec. |
Saxton, H. "James" James - U.S. Representative, [R] New Jersey
Let me ask you this. You say that we have had to make some changes in the way we train our folks because some of the things that they found... |
| 01:29:541 min. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Sir, we focus heavily now in the training to make sure that the teams, for example, understand the hierarchy of a tribe. So there may be... |
| 01:30:55 |
Saxton, H. "James" James - U.S. Representative, [R] New Jersey
General Lovelace, do you have anything for us? |
| 01:30:5531 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
The other thing I was going to ask was General Ham to sort of a follow-on piece, because you had talked about the skill sets would be, sir--to... |
| 01:31:2638 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
The good news is our attrition rate through training has been about four percent. It has been quite low. And the largest reason for attrition... |
| 01:32:0439 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
One thing we have learned in lessons learned in this is the importance when you pick advisers is they have to be patient. You know, we have... |
| 01:32:4348 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
One quick last point on this is that we, throughout the force, basic training right on up to senior levels inside the noncommissioned officer... |
| 01:33:31 |
Saxton, H. "James" James - U.S. Representative, [R] New Jersey
Thank you. Mrs. Davis. |
| 01:33:311 min. |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you all for being here and for your extraordinary service. I think some of the issues that we discussed... |
| 01:35:201 min. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Ma'am, a couple of things. One of the things that helps with the training now is now we are starting to see advisers come back who now have... |
| 01:36:2110 sec. |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Excuse me, are any of our border agents going over to Iraq then and actually being embedded, as well or our police officers? |
| 01:36:3129 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Ma'am, I wouldn't know the answer to that question. I am not sure about that at all. But when we do our training in January, our new revised training,... |
| 01:37:0010 sec. |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Freeing folks of the kind of paperwork that has always been required, is that something we have been able to work through and do a better... |
| 01:37:108 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
I haven't heard of anybody being burdened with paperwork. I don't think they think Marines can do paperwork. Maybe that is the problem. |
| 01:37:1828 sec. |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
In reflecting on the police task as well, we know that in the communities this has been a far greater need in some areas than even in training... |
| 01:37:461 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Let me do this. If I could capture a couple of quick points. The Krepinevich article. We have been engaging with him because from our perspective,... |
| 01:39:18 |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Are they having any extended tours beyond what might be expected? |
| 01:39:181 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
I think the point is good because that is why when we invite people to go to Fort Riley, one of the reasons we have focused on the post--I... |
| 01:40:51 |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
| 01:40:51 |
Saxton, H. "James" James - U.S. Representative, [R] New Jersey
Thank you. |
| 01:40:511 min. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And, Generals, thank you very much for being here today. I am very appreciative of your troops and what... |
| 01:42:19 |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Yes, sir, I could. During the training, as I mentioned, the teams do get some language training, but as Congressman Snyder indicated, it... |
| 01:42:1941 sec. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
And I learned of that, and one of my sons served for a year in Iraq, and he was always impressed with the dedication of the interpreters,... |
| 01:43:006 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Sir, I am confident that the teams--if you are talking about the teams having the equipment they need, absolutely. |
| 01:43:063 sec. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
The teams and the Iraqi forces. |
| 01:43:0935 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
First off, the teams do have what they need. That is a priority fill of equipment for those units going into the theater. They get up-armored... |
| 01:43:449 sec. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
So it wouldn't be inhibiting to them as to their resourcefulness because they don't feel like they have proper equipment. |
| 01:43:533 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Roger, sir. |
| 01:43:563 sec. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
Thank you very much. |
| 01:43:593 sec. |
Saxton, H. "James" James - U.S. Representative, [R] New Jersey
Thank you. |
| 01:44:021 min. |
Taylor, Eugene "Gene" - U.S. Representative, [D] Mississippi
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you gentlemen for being here and for your service to our country. I am curious--and... |
| 01:45:0958 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Let me tell you what I know, sir, and I will have to take for the record as far as how we track. I don't know in general, because I thought... |
| 01:46:0738 sec. |
Taylor, Eugene "Gene" - U.S. Representative, [D] Mississippi
If I may, more to that point, I know that, for example, when people apply for Special Forces training within our Army, they make a commitment... |
| 01:46:45 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, can I take it for the record? |
| 01:46:45 |
Taylor, Eugene "Gene" - U.S. Representative, [D] Mississippi
Yes, sir. Please. |
| 01:46:457 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
I can't answer. |
| 01:46:528 sec. |
Taylor, Eugene "Gene" - U.S. Representative, [D] Mississippi
So no one has tracked the retention; no one has tracked whether these guys immediately take their training, go over to other side---- |
| 01:47:00 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I didn't say nobody was. All I said was I don't have that information. I am sure that probably somebody in theater is tracking those... |
| 01:47:0028 sec. |
Taylor, Eugene "Gene" - U.S. Representative, [D] Mississippi
Thank you, gentlemen. With the time I have remaining--I can hardly yield to the gentleman from Arkansas, can I? But if you could get it... |
| 01:47:28 |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
Thank you, Mr. Taylor. And next will be Dr. Schwarz. |
| 01:47:28 |
I have no questions. |
| 01:47:2815 sec. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
Mr. Langevin. |
| 01:47:431 min. |
Langevin, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Rhode Island
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And, gentlemen, thank you for your service and for your testimony here today. I would like to start by following... |
| 01:48:4723 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I will have to turn to the people who have the books behind me and see if I could--if I could give you a wait out and see what I have... |
| 01:49:1052 sec. |
Langevin, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Rhode Island
I appreciate that, because obviously that is key to us finally, once and for all, being able to transition security operations to the Iraqis,... |
| 01:50:0215 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, again, the questions are things that theater would track here. I do not have that--we do not have that information. I apologize. We... |
| 01:50:17 |
Langevin, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Rhode Island
You don't know the biggest challenges right now that are preventing us from moving from a level two to a level one? |
| 01:50:1710 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
No, sir. |
| 01:50:2745 sec. |
Langevin, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Rhode Island
If you could get those for the record, those are important things to know. [The information referred to can be found in the Appendix beginning... |
| 01:51:1254 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, I can answer that a little bit. I know that the adviser teams report up through the chain of command on their readiness assessments.... |
| 01:52:0658 sec. |
Langevin, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Rhode Island
Thank you. And while I still have some time, hand in hand with the training and making sure that the Iraqi Security Forces are operating... |
| 01:53:0411 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, again, I would have to pass on that one. That is best up to the operational commanders to address because I do not have visibility... |
| 01:53:1545 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, just to reiterate a point--I know you have heard this--they have about 85 percent of their equipment. They do have some up-armored... |
| 01:54:00 |
Langevin, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Rhode Island
Thank you. |
| 01:54:0017 sec. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
Thank you, General Lovelace, and at this time, Mr. Marshall of Georgia. |
| 01:54:172 min. |
Marshall, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of the struggles that we have had in Iraq is that our force is largely conventional. It is an unconventional... |
| 01:56:582 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I will talk first. The answer to your first question is I would not say that just because we are putting them in uniform, that now... |
| 01:59:0014 sec. |
Marshall, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
Let me interrupt. I suspect that the other witnesses are going to be relieved of the responsibility of answering the first question. Could... |
| 01:59:14 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, the answer to 15 months--I mean, I do not know. The embeds would say this? |
| 01:59:14 |
Marshall, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
Yes. |
| 01:59:14 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
That the Iraqi Security Force eventually will be able to stand up, and---- |
| 01:59:14 |
Marshall, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
Eventually. Fifteen months? |
| 01:59:1413 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I do not--you are giving me---- |
| 01:59:2713 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, my honest answer to that is the enemy gets a vote in this, so I say it is event-driven rather than time-driven. So every action we... |
| 01:59:4048 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Sir, I would say the key factor for the Iraqi Security Forces would be the full support of their government. If they have got that, that... |
| 02:00:28 |
Marshall, James "Jim" - U.S. Representative, [D] Georgia
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
| 02:00:28 |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
Thank you. Mr. Cooper of Tennessee. |
| 02:00:283 min. |
Cooper, James "Jim" Hayes Shofner - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For anyone listening to this hearing, they are going to be wondering why the war is going so badly if our training... |
| 02:04:091 min. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Sir, I will take one shot at that. In my personal opinion, we are undertaking, I think, one of the largest scales--larger-scale foreign... |
| 02:05:251 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I want to--this is not meant to be a flippant answer, but from what you just described, it could have described the Continental Army... |
| 02:06:3056 sec. |
Cooper, James "Jim" Hayes Shofner - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
But, General, in the Continental Army, we weren't worried that our soldiers were leaving to go fight for the British for a couple of weeks... |
| 02:07:2660 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Sir, I was just going to say one thing. I think, appropriately, the initial focus of the training and advisory mission was at the combat... |
| 02:08:26 |
Cooper, James "Jim" Hayes Shofner - U.S. Representative, [D] Tennessee
I see that my time has expired. I thank the indulgence of the Chairman. |
| 02:08:269 sec. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
Yes. Thank you, Mr. Cooper. Ms. Bordallo of Guam. |
| 02:08:3551 sec. |
Bordallo, Madeleine - Congressional Delegate, [D] Guam
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and good afternoon, gentlemen. As you know, I represent Guam, and our island has a proud-- a very... |
| 02:09:26 |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
Ma'am, I know on our transition teams we use both active and reserve forces. |
| 02:09:26 |
Bordallo, Madeleine - Congressional Delegate, [D] Guam
So you will be including them? |
| 02:09:269 sec. |
Flynn, George J. - Major General
We have in the past, yes, ma'am. |
| 02:09:35 |
Bordallo, Madeleine - Congressional Delegate, [D] Guam
Very good. All right. My second one---- |
| 02:09:3511 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Ma'am, we do in the Army as well. We have significant participation by Army Reserve and Army National Guard as members of the transition... |
| 02:09:461 min. |
Bordallo, Madeleine - Congressional Delegate, [D] Guam
Very good. Thank you. My second question, Major General Ham: You command a traditional infantry division, and you have been given a task to... |
| 02:10:52 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
It is me. Although you would like for him to answer, I---- |
| 02:10:52 |
Bordallo, Madeleine - Congressional Delegate, [D] Guam
Yes, General Lovelace. |
| 02:10:521 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
General Ham can answer it any way he wants. I am going to answer for the Army, ma'am. The pursuit of the 1st Infantry Division is a--we... |
| 02:12:1540 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
Yes. I would say that the 1st Infantry Division is now specifically tailored for this mission. If you look at my division headquarters,... |
| 02:12:55 |
Bordallo, Madeleine - Congressional Delegate, [D] Guam
So then you feel it should endure? |
| 02:12:5512 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
I will defer to General Lovelace. I know the mission that--I feel comfortable that the mission that I have matches the organization of my... |
| 02:13:0738 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Ma'am, whether we keep it at the 1st Infantry Division or not, I already know that we have every intention of modulizing his headquarters... |
| 02:13:4512 sec. |
Bordallo, Madeleine - Congressional Delegate, [D] Guam
Well, I thank you very much for your answers, and I do feel, with the state of affairs the way they are in the world today, we should have... |
| 02:13:5713 sec. |
Wilson, Addison "Joe" Graves - U.S. Representative, [R] South Carolina
Thank you, Ms. Bordallo. And we have a second round, and, Mrs. Davis, if you have any further questions. |
| 02:14:1037 sec. |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have been at this for a while, and I think that we are doing a better job, as you described, in trying to train... |
| 02:14:4757 sec. |
Ham, Carter F. - Major General
I will try first. I think there are a couple of factors, ma'am, that are at play. We are better now at the training of advisors and the preparation... |
| 02:15:441 min. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Ma'am, if I could, it is interesting as you ask the question, because we can put a unit together. We can take a unit and mobilize it from... |
| 02:17:31 |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Do you see that effort beyond the military as well? I mean, that has got to be frustrating to feel that so much of this burden is on you. |
| 02:17:31 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sure, I do. |
| 02:17:3126 sec. |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
And where do you see that specifically where folks have stepped up to the plate and provided the other kinds of support that you need? |
| 02:17:5759 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Right now everybody is--you know what the equation is--diplomatic information, military and economic--and right now, the large ``M'' in... |
| 02:18:56 |
Davis, Susan - U.S. Representative, [D] California
I appreciate that. Thank you all. |
| 02:18:567 sec. |
Saxton, H. "James" James - U.S. Representative, [R] New Jersey
Mr. Skelton and then Mr. Marshall. |
| 02:19:0319 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
General you were speaking about the Government of Iraq. Is the government fully supporting this effort? It sounds to me like you gave a... |
| 02:19:22 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I am not sure--I am not sure exactly what comment you are referring to. The way I---- |
| 02:19:2216 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
Well, is the government fully supporting this effort, or is it kind of supporting this effort? |
| 02:19:3838 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, all I was referring to--I was not qualifying the support as given the military. All I was saying is that in all of these ministries,... |
| 02:20:1632 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
I am glad Mr. Cooper, a moment ago, corrected you on comparing this group with the American Revolutionary Minuteman. I think you were comparing... |
| 02:20:48 |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, I am not an historian either. I was only trying to reference---- |
| 02:20:4839 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
General, I think every military person should be an historian, and I am dead serious. I will let it go at that, sir. I have one last question. The... |
| 02:21:2721 sec. |
Lovelace, James J. Jr. - Lieutenant General
Sir, that is a question that--and I will speak for the three of us. I mean, I would love to be able to answer that question for you. That... |
| 02:21:4822 sec. |
Skelton, Isaac "Ike" - U.S. Representative, [D] Missouri
That is the bottom line--when are you not--and if these folks are incapable of winning, we in Congress should know about it. The American... |
| 02:22:1052 sec. |
Saxton, H. "James" James - U.S. Representative, [R] New Jersey
We want to thank you for being here this morning. We have been at this for almost three hours, and so we thank you for your forthcoming... |