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OFF. >> WELCOME TO THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB. I'M MARGARET ENGLE. I'M THE MANAGING EDITOR OF THE MUSEUM, THE MUSEUM OF NEWS WHICH
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WILL REOPEN ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE THIS FALL. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WATER GATE AND COULD WATERGATE HAPPEN TODAY AND IN WHAT FORM. I'M JOINED BY...
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| 00:01:21 |
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DISTINGUISHED PANEL OF INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS, PRODUCERS AND BOOK AUTHORS. AND WE'RE GOING TO START BY INTRODUCING LEFT TO RIGHT, LISA SHEPHERD,...
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| 00:03:17 |
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TO THEIR CURB TO GET THE NEWSPAPER TO FIND OUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED THAT DAY. "THE WASHINGTON POST" WAS AN UP AND COMING NEWSPAPER. IT WAS DEFINITELY NOT...
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| 00:05:56 |
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A REPORTER IN WASHINGTON, EVERY MORNING WHEN YOU WOKE UP, YOU HAD TO RUN OUT AND GRAB THE PAPER FIRST THING JUST TO SEE WHAT HAD HAPPENED OR, YOU...
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| 00:06:14 |
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THE L.A. TIMES. AND I ACTUALLY WAS WORKING ON ANOTHER STORY WHEN IT HAPPENED AND I WAS WORKING ON ANOTHER BOOK PERFORM I WAS WORKING ON -- WHETHER...
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| 00:07:24 |
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ROMANITY SIZED WATERGATE IN SOME WAYS BECAUSE THOSE STORIES WERE HARD TO READ. THEY CERTAINLY DID NOT HAVE THE POLLISH THAT JUMP IS PARTICULAR STORIES...
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| 00:08:08 |
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600 STORIES ON COINGATE IN HOIF AND HAD TO MOVE ALL THE ROTORS WHO WERE WORKING ON IT INTO COLUMBUS TO LOOK AT THE TEDIOUS NUMBER OF BOXES AND RECORDS...
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| 00:09:00 |
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GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN DOING THE KIND OF WORK THAT WOODWARD AND BETTER THAN STEEN DID PROBABLY HAD ALSO A SOMEWHAT DELITERIOUS EFFECT AND...
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| 00:10:01 |
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INSIDE STORY OF SPIN SCANDAL AND THE SELLING OF THE IRAQ WAR, THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF ATTENTION IN FINDING THE VIOLATION OF THE
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| 00:10:09 |
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CRIMINAL STATUTE IN -- AND THE LEAKING OF VALERIE PLANES IDENTITY AND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF INVESTIGATIVE RESOURCES WE ALL DEVOTED TO REPORTING THAT...
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| 00:14:06 |
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HOW YOU WERE SORT OF KNOCKING ON VIRTUAL DOORS? >> IT IS A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. I DON'T HAVE A BOOK TO PLUG, BUT I DO HAVE A WEBSITE TO PLUG. MY CREATION...
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| 00:14:32 |
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WIDELY QUOTED AS A BLOG AND WE'VE HAD FUN WITH THE NAME AND WE CALL IT THE BLOTTER. WE'RE NOT BLOGGING, WE ARE PUTTING OUT DAILY NEWS STORY, INVESTIGATIVE...
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| 00:15:36 |
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ESSENTIALLY, IT IS ALSO AS SHE DESCRIBES, THESE WERE TWO REPORTERS WHO WERE NOT THE BEAT REPORTERS. THEY CAME IN ON A SUNDAY AND THEY STARTED WITH A
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| 00:15:47 |
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VERY POTENTIALLY SMALL STORY. AND ESSENTIALLY IN THE CASE OF THE MARK FOLEY SCANDAL THAT WE JUST RECENTLY BROKE THE STORY OF, IT STARTED VERY MUCH THE...
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| 00:18:20 |
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MORE HERE OHS BACK AT THE TIME OF WATERGATE AND NOW SEEN AS VILIANS, THE JUMPISM HAS TAKEN A HIT? IS IT BECAUSE OF THIS PACK MENTALITY, THE FEELING...
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| 00:18:40 |
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WELL, I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING TO THAT. BUT I'M NOT SO SURE THAT WE WEREN'T IN THE ATTACK MODE IN WATERGATE AS WELL. CERTAINLY WOODWARD...
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| 00:19:01 |
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BUT THEY DID. ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES -- I SEE NOW IS THAT IF YOU -- SINCE YOU HAVE THE INTERNET AND YOU HAVE ALL OF THE BLOGGERS OUT THERE,...
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| 00:20:09 |
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ABOUT YOU WHERE ROBERT REDFORD PLAYS YOU AND DUSTIN HOFFMAN PLAYS YOU. THE BOOK ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN CAME OUT IN JUNE OF 1947 BEFORE WE EVEN KNEW...
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| 00:20:23 |
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IN APRIL OF 1976, THE MOVIE CAME OUT AND THAT IS WHEN WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN BECAME HEE R.O.E.S. IT IS INTERESTING TO RECALL THAT WHEN THE BOOK CAME...
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| 00:21:27 |
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WAS REALLY
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| 00:21:29 |
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GOING ON. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? >> I DO AGREE WITH THAT. AND I THINK THAT YOU TALK ABOUT THE ATTACK MODE. THAT IS ONE REASON TODAY THAT THE PUBLIC...
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| 00:21:54 |
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DAYS. NONE OF THE TELEVISION NETWORKS HAD INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS. WE HAVE ONE NOW IN THE L.A. TIMES I THINK THERE WERE EIGHT WHEN I WAS AN INVESTIGATIVE...
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| 00:22:53 |
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YEAH. I MEAN, LOOK, THE -- >> WHY WEREN'T THEY? >> WELL, THAT IS A COMPLEX QUESTION. BUT FIRST OF ALL THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT A LOT OF PROMINENT...
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| 00:23:13 |
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ADMINISTRATION STATEMENTS, THEY WERE PROMOTING
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| 00:23:16 |
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CHEERED
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| 00:23:17 |
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LEADERS FOR ADMINISTRATION CLAIMS THAT PROVIDED THE GROUND WORK FOR THE INVASION OF IRAQ. I MEAN, THERE IS THAT CLASSIC MOMENT, MAYBE WE ALL -- A LOT...
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| 00:25:54 |
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PEOPLE TRY TO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE TIMES, NO, YOU'VE GOT IT WRONG, THERE ARE SCIENTISTS THAT SAY THIS
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| 00:26:03 |
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ISN'T THE CASE IT IS NOT TRUE. THE TIMES DOESN'T WANT TO THEN UNDERMINE ITS OWN FRONT-PAGE STORY. THEY PLAY THE DISSENTS. SO ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO...
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| 00:27:16 |
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US THERE WERE TWO BRAVE REPORTERS AND A GREAT PUBLISHER WHO WAS OUT THERE WITH UNPLEASANT NEWS AND THEY MANAGED TO KEEP AT IT. WHAT IS THAT TENURE LIKE,...
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| 00:27:52 |
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NEWS DOES AND WE'VE HARD TO BUILD UP THE RESOURCES. ABC IS COMMITTED TO THIS. THERE IS STILL THE CLASSIC SEPARATION. IT USED TO BE JACK AND THE...
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| 00:31:19 |
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OF THREATS AND THESE KIND OF SUBPOENAS AND, YES IT CAN MAKE IT DIFFICULT AT TIME, BUT YOU'RE STILL DOING, YOU KNOW, GROUND BREAKING REPORTING AND...
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| 00:31:57 |
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WE WANT TO TAKE SOME QUESTIONS HERE. SO, YES, GO AHEAD. >> I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE TOPIC OPEN TO THE. MY REACTION WAS DIFFICULTY FROM MY FRIENDS....
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| 00:32:29 |
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OF INFORMATION. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE VICE PRESIDENT'S OFFICE DOING WHAT IT DOES NOW. AND I REALLY THINK THAT IN A WAY NOW WE HAVE SO MUCH -- AND YOUR...
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| 00:33:20 |
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FROM STATE, LOCAL, FEDERAL ALL THE
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| 00:33:22 |
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WAY UP. >> YEAH. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS ANYTHING NEW AT ALL I MUST SAY. AND IT CERTAINLY HAPPENED DURING THE WATERGATE INVESTIGATIONS. I MEAN,...
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| 00:33:37 |
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THINGS. I DON'T SEE THE DISTINCTION. >> I THINK SOME OF THE INTERESTING THINGS
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| 00:33:43 |
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THAT HAPPENED TO WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN WAS AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, CARL'S PARENT HAS BEEN MEMBERS OF COMMUNIST PARTY SO HE WAS WORRIED RIGHT FROM THE...
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| 00:34:01 |
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WAS ALSO CONCERNED THAT THE POST WAS BEING BUGGED AND DID A SWEEP OF THE NUDS ROOM. HE TOLD THEM NOT TO SMOKE POT, NOT TO GO TO CERTAIN PARTIES. ...
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| 00:35:49 |
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DOING? [INAUDIBLE] IT HAS INCREASING INTEREST IN THE MEDIA AND DO YOU THINK THERE WAS TOO MUCH FEAR THAT THE AUDIENCE WOULD TURN ON THE MEDIA [INAUDIBLE]...
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| 00:36:24 |
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VERY WEEK OF THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY
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| 00:36:26 |
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OF 9/11. MEMORIES WERE VIVID OF IT. AND THE ADMINISTRATION PLAYED ON THE -- YOU KNOW, THE LEGITIMATE FEARS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ABOUT A TERRORIST...
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| 00:38:17 |
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BY LETTERS WITH THE TIPS
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| 00:38:18 |
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THAT PEOPLE GET BY E-MAIL NOW? ARE THEY MORE, ARE THEY BETTER? DOES IT MAKE THE JOB EASIER OR IS THE RATIO OF GOOD STUFF TO TRASH THE SAME? >>...
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| 00:38:51 |
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HAD THE EXPERIENCE WHERE GOOD TIPS CAME IN AND I IMMEDIATELY WROTE BACK AND SAID CALL ME RIGHT AWAY ON MY CELL PHONE ONLY TO FIND IT RINGING OFF THE...
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| 00:39:52 |
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ALMOST THREE FEET OF LETTERS AND MOST OF THEM WERE FAN LETTERS BUT MANY OF THEM WERE THESE LETTERS THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT, WOW, IF YOU CAN BRING DOWN A...
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| 00:41:36 |
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QUESTION WAS WHAT FACTORS WILL BRING BACK A HIGHER FORM OF INTEGRITY FOR
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| 00:41:43 |
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| 00:41:46 |
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INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM. >> THE CARNEGIE FOUNDATION IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. THEY STARTED AN INITIATIVE TWO YEARS AGO TO TRY TO
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| 00:41:54 |
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GET JOURNALISM STUDENTS TO HAVE REAL
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| 00:41:57 |
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WORLD EDUCATION AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING. THEY BASICALLY HAND PICKED GRADUATE STUDENTS AND SENT US THEM FOR THE SUMMER. AND WE'VE STARTED THIS ON...
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| 00:42:08 |
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HANDS ON VETIVE REPORTING WORKSHOP AT ABC NEWS. WE HIRED A LOT OF GRADUATES. WE TRIED TO INSTILL THE VALUES WE THOUGHT THEY SHOULD HAVE. THAT IS A SLOW...
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| 00:42:44 |
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TO THE EFFORT THAT REPORTERS HAVE INTEGRITY AND THERE ARE STANDARDS AND THERE ARE METHODS IN DOING
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| 00:42:52 |
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IT RIGHT. AND IT IS A SERIOUS GROUP
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| 00:42:58 |
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OF JOURNALISTS. SO I THINK THOSE OF US ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE WHO JUDGE JUMPISM CONTESTS ARE PERHAPS MORE AMAZED EVERY YEAR AT THE VERY HIGH QUALITY...
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| 00:44:08 |
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IN "THE WASHINGTON POST." BUT THAT REALLY WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF WATERGATE, OF THE POPLARIZATION AND ALMOST IT WAS GLAMOROUS TO USE ANONYMOUS...
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| 00:44:20 |
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HAD BEEN, I
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| 00:44:21 |
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THINK, WORKED AT NBC IN 1976, 1977 AND HE TOLD ME ABOUT COMING BACK TO THE STATION AND HE HAD GOTTEN A GUY ON THE RECORD AND THE PRODUCER WAS DOWN TRODEN....
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| 00:44:58 |
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THE RECORD BUT THEN YOU HAVE THEM ON THE RECORD LYING. SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THE INFLUENCE OF ANONYMOUS SOURCES? >> TELL US ABOUT THE FIRST...
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| 00:45:27 |
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WHEN YOU HAVE A BOOK THAT SAYS WE HAVE 394 ANONYMOUS SOURCES, THAT IS ASKING A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH OF THE
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| 00:45:35 |
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READER.
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| 00:45:37 |
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I MEAN, YOU'RE WRITING ON OMISSION
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| 00:45:41 |
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BOOK. >> JACK
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| 00:45:42 |
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IS REFERING TO THE BOOK "THE FINAL DAYS," WHICH CAME OUT IN 1976, WITHIN A WEEK OF THE MOVIE ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN COMING OUT. >> 394 ANONYMOUS SOURCES....
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| 00:46:03 |
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PARTICULARLY IN GOVERNMENT WHO WANT TO HELP BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HELP YOU BECAUSE THEY REALLY WANT THE TRUTH TO COME OUT ABOUT SOME WRONG DOING WITHIN...
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| 00:46:15 |
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I CAN TELL YOU THIS, BUT YOU CANNOT QUOTE ME. AND I THINK IT IS PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT. IF YOU USE THEM DO IT WITH DISCRETION AND YOU NEED TO -- WHEREVER...
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| 00:46:53 |
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CHALLENGING THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE ADMINISTRATION OR OF THE GOVERNMENT. ANYBODY WHO SPEAKS ON THE RECORD QUESTIONING
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| 00:47:03 |
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THAT IS PUTTING THEIR OWN JOBS
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| 00:47:06 |
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AND LIVELIHOOD AT RISK. SO, OF COURSE, TO GET AT THE TRUTH YOU NEED TO USE ANONYMOUS SOURCES. THEY ARE ESSENTIAL TO AT THE TIME VETIVE JUMPISM....
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| 00:48:49 |
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PROBLEM IF WE BRING A STORY
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| 00:48:50 |
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TO YOU, PEOPLE WILL SAY TO ME, I'LL TALK BUT PUT ME IN THE SHADOWS. I OFTEN SAY THAT IS BEING A LITTLE PREGNANT AND HOW DO YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO BELIEVE...
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| 00:49:08 |
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NOT PUT PEOPLE ON TELEVISION IN THE SHADOWS BECAUSE THAT IS A COP OUT. THERE IS AN INTERESTING ANECDOTE IN LISA'S BOOK ABOUT JACK PUSHING THE...
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| 00:49:28 |
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JOURNALISTS IS HOLD'S PEOPLE FEET TO THE FIRE WHENEVER POSSIBLE. >> TOO OFTEN WE SAY YOU'LL BE ON BACK GROUNL OR ANONYMOUS AND LET PEOPLE DO THAT....
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| 00:49:54 |
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DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE. AND EVERYBODY HAD BEEN TRYING TO -- HE LIVED UP IN CONNECTICUT AND EVERYBODY HAD TRIED TO GET HIS STORY AND HIS LAWYERS...
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| 00:50:02 |
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INTERESTED IN SELLING HIS STORY. AND I WENT UP AND TALKED TO HIM AND STAYED AFTER HIM. I SAID, NUMBER, ONE, NOBODY WILL BUY THE STORY AND IF THEY DID,...
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| 00:51:02 |
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EX-MARINE. SOY. I CALLED HIM
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| 00:51:05 |
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AN HUSKY EX-MARINE. HE WAS PUDGY. >> IT WAS AN HONEST CHARACTERIZATION. >> I HAVE ONE OTHER THOUGHT THAT I'VE DEVELOPED IN THE BOOK WHICH IS -- IT IS...
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| 00:51:32 |
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TO SUBPOENA OR HOLD GRAND JURIES
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| 00:51:34 |
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OR FORCE PEOPLE TO IT OF. SO THAT IS WHAT WARD AND BERNSTEIN DID AND JACK AND RON AT THE L.A. TIMES AND OTHER PEOPLE. BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY THE FACT ...
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| 00:52:32 |
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THE IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WAS THE COURTS. IT WAS THE JUDGE AND THEN THE SUPREME COURT ORDERING THAT THE TAPES BE TURNED...
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| 00:53:03 |
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THAT. >> JUST TO CONTINUE THE CHICKEN AND EGG GAME HERE, BUT WITH
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| 00:53:08 |
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THE -- IF IT WASN'T FOR THE
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| 00:53:10 |
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JUDGE IN MARCH OF 1937 ORDERING -- SAYING I'M NOT ACCEPTING THIS STORY THAT THESE GUYS -- THESE BURGLARS ARE TELLING ME. >> CERTAINLY. BUT THE TAPES...
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| 00:53:24 |
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MANY FACTORS AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE DURING THE RESEARCH FOR MY BOOK, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I STUMBLED UPON REPORTERS WRITING...
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| 00:53:38 |
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PRESIDENT. THEY PLAYED A ROLE IN NIXON'S DEMISE. FIRST OF ALL, HE WAS A CROOK AND HE PLAYED THE BIGGEST ROLE. WITHOUT THOSE HEARINGS AND ACTUALLY I...
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| 00:54:24 |
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PRESS TO GO FULL BORE ON THE STORY LIKE IRAQ WHEN THE OPPOSITION WAS SO SUPINE AT THE TIME? I MEAN, CAN THE PRESS SORT
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| 00:54:32 |
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OF TAKE OFF IN A VACUUM WHEN
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| 00:54:34 |
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THERE IS NO POLITICAL? >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION EXAMINE IT IS CERTAINLY -- IT HELPS TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPOSITION PARTY OUT
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| 00:54:42 |
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THERE FANNING THE
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| 00:54:43 |
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FLAMES, BUT LET'S CUT BACK TO WATERGATE WHEN WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN WERE, YOU KNOW, DOING THE REAL ON THE GROUND, SHOE LENGTH REPORTING IN
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| 00:54:56 |
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WATERGATE. I DON'T THINK THE DEMOCRATS WERE MAKING A MAJOR ISSUE OF THIS. THIS WAS DURING THE 1972 CAMPAIGN. IT WASN'T FRONT-PAGE NEWS. IT WASN'T...
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| 00:55:41 |
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NEWSPAPERS. IN FACT THIS WAS, OF COURSE, BEFORE THE INTERNET AND SO THE POST WAS DOING A LOT OF REPORTING, THE "NEW YORK TIMES." BUT IT WASN'T GETTING...
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| 00:56:22 |
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IN THE LOBBY BOTH ALEASHA'S BOOK AND MIKE'S BOOK ON HUBRIS AND WE WELCOME THE FACT THAT YOU ARE HERE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. WE APPRECIATE YOU...
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