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COOKIES! [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] >> THE CAPITOL CHRISTMAS TREE ALSO ARRIVED ON THE WEST FRONT OF THE CAPITOL YESTERDAY AND WILL BE LIT A WEEK FROM...
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THE START OF THE DISCUSSION ON AN UPCOMING SUPREME COURT CASE, ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM CONCERNING THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF RACIAL INTEGRATION PLANS FOR...
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TO THIS MORNING'S FORUM ON SCHOOL INTEGRATION, RACE, CLASS AND THE SUPREME COURT. AS MUCH AS TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS ABOUT WHERE
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WE HAVE COME, IT IS ALSO ABOUT WHERE WE ARE GOING. ABOUT HOW WE CAN PROVIDE THE BEST EDUCATION FOR OUR CHILDREN, THE CENTURY FOUNDATION DEVOTES CONSIDERABLE...
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SINCE THE BUSING BATTLES OF THE '60s AND '70s AND COULD AFFECT HUNDREDS OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, IN '03 THE COURT ADDRESSED USING RACE...
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| 00:12:55 |
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THE VISION IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY AND BY MAKING SURE THE PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED EQUITABLY FOR ALL STUDENT. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND THE...
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| 00:15:11 |
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COMMUNITY, SHARED VISION ABOUT THE BEST EDUCATION FOR ALL CHILDREN AND I'M DILATED TO SAY THE MAYOR AT THAT POINT IN TIME, IS IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY...
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| 00:24:35 |
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TO SCHOOLS ON THE BASIS OF SKIN COLOR. BECAUSE THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS THINK THEY HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR DOING
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SO. AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS HAVE FOUND SOCIAL SCIENTISTS WHO WILL TESTIFY THAT THERE IS A GOOD REASON FOR DOING SO. I...
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| 00:34:09 |
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MAINTAIN SOME SEMBLANCE
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| 00:34:12 |
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OF VOLUNTARY INTEGRATION NIP. IN THEIR HISTORIES. ROGER WAS REFERRING TO A FACT SHEET, HE WAS REFERRING TO THE FACT SHEET WE HAVE AVAILABLE, THE...
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| 00:42:35 |
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PAT MAKE ELOQUENT ARGUMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE NOTION THAT BROWN STANDS FOR THE PROPOSITION THAT
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| 00:42:42 |
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WE SHOULD
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| 00:42:44 |
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REDUCE RACIAL ISOLATION AN SEG -- SEG -- SEGREGATION IN OUR SCHOOLS AND ROGER LANG WITH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT BROWN STANDS FOR...
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| 00:53:05 |
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SCIENCE COMING OUT OF WADE COUNTY? HAS THAT BEEN IN EFFECT LONG ENOUGH TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT FOR BOTH THE...
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| 00:53:51 |
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OPPOSED TO OTHER BIG COUNTIES IN NORTH CAROLINA WHERE THEY HAVEN'T DEALT WITH CONCENTRATIONS OF POVERTY, THE LOW INCOME AND AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDENTS...
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| 00:55:29 |
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RACIAL INEQUALITY ARE THE LAWS THAT BAN DISCRIMINATION AND THAT BAN PEOPLE FROM BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY, SOME BETTER AND SOME WORSE, ON THE BASIS...
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| 00:55:43 |
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ETHNICITY. IF A SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS TREATING STUDENTS DIFFERENTLY, WAS UNDERFUNDING SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY WERE PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN, OR WAS...
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| 00:57:34 |
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BAN LEGALLY
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| 00:57:35 |
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AND CONSTITUTIONALLY ALL VOLUNTARY AND CONSCIOUS EFFORTS TO ADDRESS RACIAL INEQUALITY. HIS ANSWER REFLECTS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. WHAT HE SAID JUST NOW...
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| 00:59:15 |
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YOU WOULD LIKE
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| 00:59:16 |
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TO HAVE IT I'LL HAVE IT RIGHT HERE. >> LET ME ASK ROGER ONE OTHER QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WEALTH INTEGRATION?
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| 00:59:23 |
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IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT WHERE THERE ARE PREDOMINANTLY LOWER INCOME CHILDREN IN CERTAIN SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE-CLASS CHILDREN IN SEPARATE...
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| 00:59:39 |
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USING WEALTH AS THE CRITERIA? >> I DON'T HAVE A LEGAL PROBLEM WITH THAT. I MEAN AGAIN, I THINK RICK IS RIGHT THAT A PROGRAM THAT AS SIGNS STUDENTS ON...
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HISS HISTORICAL AND MORAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS THAT RACIAL DISCRIMINATION DOES. DO I SUPPORT IT AS A POLICY MATTER? I THINK IT DEPENDS. I THINK...
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| 01:01:39 |
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WE FIND IT A BIT VEXING THIS ARGUMENT, WHICH CAME FIRST, RACE OR
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| 01:01:46 |
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CLASS? TO US IT IS IN MY COMMUNITY THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG ARGUMENT AND HERE IS WHY: AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN CHILDREN ENROLLED...
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| 01:07:06 |
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POLITICAL SUSTAINABILITY AS USING RACE FACTOR ASSIGNMENT. I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO GO BEYOND THE SUPREME COURT DECISION AND SAY EVEN IF THE USE OF RACE...
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| 01:07:16 |
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UPHELD, GIVEN WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS, RECENT YEARS, IN CALIFORNIA, WASHINGTON STATE, MOST RECENTLY IN MICHIGAN, MOSTLY AN ISSUE IN HIGHER EDUCATION,...
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| 01:08:18 |
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A VOLUNTARY CHOICE PLAN TO KEEP SCHOOLS DESEGREGATED AND TO AS MUCH AS
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| 01:08:23 |
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POSSIBLE GIVEN OUR DEMOGRAPHIC PROFILE, TO TRY TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF POVERTY. LET ME TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED IN THE SCHOOLS THAT WERE EXEMPTED...
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| 01:11:09 |
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SO SUPPORT GIVING A POOR KID FROM
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| 01:11:11 |
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WHATEVER RACIAL BACKGROUND A LEG UP IN COLLEGE ADMISSIONS. I THINK THAT IN THE K THROUGH 12 CONTEXT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY, THE DATA IS MUCH...
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| 01:13:01 |
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IN PRINCIPLE. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE WILL HONOR IT IN PRACTICE. IT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION. YOU MAY BE RIGHT. IF YOU THROW IT TO THE MAJORITY OF THE...
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| 01:13:42 |
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YOU WAIT FOR THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. MR. CLEGG, COULD YOU RESPOND DIRECTLY TO MS. TODD'S CONTENTION THAT
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| 01:13:56 |
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THE JEFFERSON COUNTY PLAN EMBODIES LOCAL DECISION MAKING BASED
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| 01:14:01 |
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ON, YOU KNOW, LOCAL FACTS, ELECTED BOARD MEMBERS BEING IN THE MOLD OF THE FEDERAL COURT
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| 01:14:09 |
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ORDERED DESEGREGATION BACKED BY 80, 90% MAJORITIES OF BLACKS AND WHITES IN THE DESIGN AND IN THEIR OPINION ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR THEIR CHILDREN? REALLY...
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| 01:14:46 |
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VOTE. SHOULD NOT BE PUT TO A LOCAL VOTE. WE HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. WE ANSWERED ON IT A NATIONAL LEVEL IN 1868 WHEN...
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| 01:17:00 |
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WHY RACE SHOULDN'T BE A QUALIFIER FOR ADMISSION. AND IF YOU ARE
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| 01:17:04 |
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IN FAVOR OF RACE ACT QUALIFIER FOR ADMISSION, WHY IT SHOULD BE. >> FIRST LET ME CLARIFY THAT RACE BEING QUALIFIED OR BEING QUALIFIED FOR ADMISSION REALLY...
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| 01:17:31 |
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BE ONE FACTOR AMONG MANY. SCHOOL BOARDS ROUTINELY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASSIGN STUDENTS TO SCHOOL AND THEY DO IT BASICALLY ON A MANDATORY BASIS IN MOST...
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| 01:19:59 |
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CUT THROUGH THIS. POVERTY IS ASSOCIATED WITH RACE AS TED HAS POINTED OUT. >> RIGHT. >> IT'S
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| 01:20:05 |
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IMPOSSIBLE TO DISENTANGLE THE TWO. >> WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO DISENTANGLE THE TWO. MY POINT IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE...
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| 01:20:20 |
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AS TED SAYS AND HE'S
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| 01:20:23 |
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RIGHT, AFFECTS BOTH BLACKS AND WHITES,
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| 01:20:26 |
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THEN I'M IN FAVOR
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| 01:20:28 |
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OF PROGRAMS THAT ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THAT ADDRESS POVERTY FOR POOR PEOPLE OF ANY RACE. I'M OPPOSED TO PROGRAMS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HELP ONLY POOR PEOPLE...
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| 01:21:11 |
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ABOUT RACE CONSCIOUS MEASURES? >> WELL, RACE CONSCIOUS IS RACE DISCRIMINATORY. WELL, LOOK, WHETHER YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM DEPENDS...
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| 01:21:28 |
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FACTORS, IF WE'RE CONSCIOUS OF RACE IN DECIDING WHETHER GETS
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| 01:21:32 |
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TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM, THEN SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET IN
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| 01:21:36 |
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TO THE PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE KEPT OUT OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR. OTHERWISE WHAT'S THE...
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| 01:22:06 |
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OF RACE AND ETHNICITY. I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS NOT ENGAGING IN THAT KIND OF
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| 01:22:13 |
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RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. NOW, WHETHER, THE QUESTION IS, IS IT OKAY TO ENGAGE IN RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISCRIMINATION TO ACHIEVE POLITICALLY CORRECT RACIAL...
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| 01:22:45 |
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FACTOR IN STUDENT ASSIGNMENT, BUT
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| 01:22:48 |
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IT SHOULD BE THE ONE THAT WE GO AS
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| 01:22:50 |
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A LAST RESORT. WHEN
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| 01:22:52 |
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WE HAVE TO. AND
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| 01:22:53 |
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THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE YOU CAN GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RACIAL DIVERSITY USING SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS. I ALWAYS...
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| 01:23:02 |
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WE SHOULD TRY TO AVOID TREATING PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY BASED ON RACE UNLESS THERE'S SOME REALLY POWERFUL REASON. AND TO MY MIND, YOU NEED TO EXHAUST THE...
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| 01:24:12 |
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BELIEVE THAT PARENTAL CHOICE, WHICH WE BELIEVE GETS AT SOME OF THE SOCIOECONOMIC EQUITY BETWEEN BLACKS AND WHITES IN OUR COMMUNITY,
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| 01:24:21 |
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IS FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT TO
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| 01:24:24 |
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A SUCCESSFUL INTEGRATION PLAN. SO WE ACTUALLY, ONE REASON WHY WE'RE PROUD TO BE IN FRONT OF THE U.S. SUPREME COURT IS WE THINK WE HAVE A PLAN THAT WORKS....
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| 01:25:24 |
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WHAT YOUR DISTRICT HAS DONE ABOUT THAT ISSUE AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS I BELIEVE FROM THE RECORD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FEW HUNDRED STUDENTS DENIED...
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| 01:26:19 |
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AND PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS. WHEN YOU HAVE KEPT YOUR SCHOOLS DIVERSE THROUGH DESEGREGATION AND YOU HAVE YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC PROFILE ABOUT NUMBERS OF STUDENTS...
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| 01:28:30 |
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TO GO BACK IN. WHAT PARENTS LIKE, ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT THEY LIKE IS THAT THEY GET TO CHOOSE AND THEY GET TO CHOOSE BETWEEN
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| 01:28:36 |
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THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL AND WE HAVE MAGNET SCHOOLS, MAGNET PROGRAMS, AND OPTIONAL PROGRAMS AND OPEN ENROLLMENT, TRANSFERS, SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF...
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| 01:30:33 |
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BY RACE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THESE VOLUNTARY SCHOOL PLANS. WELL, THEY'RE VOLUNTARY IN THE SENSE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ADOPTED...
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| 01:31:24 |
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ENROLLED IN A TIMELY FASHION, WHICH IS WELL PUBLICIZED IN OUR COMMUNITY THIS, ONE CHILD DID NOT. AND WE HAD TO FIND A SEAT. DURING HIS FIRST GRADE YEAR...
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| 01:32:14 |
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THE LAWYERS COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND THE LAW. BY NEXT SPRING THE SUPREME COURT WILL DECIDE THIS CASE THIS. QUESTION IS PRIMARILY AIMED AT TEDDY...
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| 01:32:32 |
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THINK THE NEW CONFIGURATION OF THE COURT, PARTICULARLY THE DEPARTURE OF REHNQUIST OR O'CONNOR, ADDITION OF ROBERTS AND ALITO WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE...
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| 01:33:09 |
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HIGHER EDUCATION ADMISSIONS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY SCHOOL ASSIGNMENTS. AND THERE'S
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| 01:33:17 |
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A DIFFERENT PROCESS, A DIFFERENT SET OF FACTS THAT ARE IN PLAY. BUT THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THERE WILL BE SOME CONSIDERATION OF WHAT THE COURT SAID A...
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| 01:35:43 |
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YOU KNOW, THAT DEGREE OF DEFERENCE IS NOT APPROPRIATE AT THE K THROUGH 12 LEVEL. I THINK THAT BOTH CASES WILL BE CITED. I THINK THEY BE CITED FOR THE...
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| 01:36:58 |
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THAT SPLIT OUR COMMUNITY THREE WAYS TO SUNDAY. THIS SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE COMMUNITY GRADUALLY HAS GOTTEN
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| 01:37:07 |
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TOGETHER IN OFFERING I THINK A REMARKABLE, I CAN SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND FOR 15 YEARS,
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| 01:37:13 |
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BUT A REMARKABLE RESULT. AND WHEN WE SEE THAT THERE IS A SPREAD FROM 50% TO 15% OF MINORITY STUDENTS, I MEAN HOW DO YOU CALL THAT A RACIAL QUOTA? I...
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CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE
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