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SEGMENT. THAT'S IT. GOOD. . >> THANKS FOR JOINING US. I AM DIANE REHM. JFK WAS A NEW KIND OF PRESIDENT. HE LARGELY IGNORED HIS PARTY'S PLATFORM. HE...
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ADVISERS. EVERY PRESIDENT SINCE, ACCORDING TO HISTORIAN JAMES McGREGOR BURNS HAS FOLLOWED A SIMILAR MODEL. IN A NEW BOOK, HE DETAILS THE INCREASING...
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WHICH
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IS I WAS TALKING WITH JACK KENNEDY, IN THOSE DAISY CALLED HIM THAT, WHEN HE WAS IN THE SENATE. AND I SAID, JACK, WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEING IN THE HOUSE
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OF REPRESENTATIVES FOR YOU? AND I TRIED TO GET INTO THE HOUSE
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OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
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FAILED MYSELF, SO I WAS KIND OF GLAD TO ASK HIM. TO MY SURPRISE, HE SAID, OH, WE WERE JUST WORMS THERE. WORMS. AND I THOUGHT, OKAY. AND I HAD KIND OF...
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POLITICO
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S&P OLS HE HAD WORKED WITH EN MASSE CHEW SETS. HE WANTED TO RISE ABOVE THAT. AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IN KOREA WAS, AS YOU POINTED OUT IN THE INTRODUCTION,...
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HOUSE, DID THAT CHANGE? >> NOT -- IT DID NOT CHANGE IN THE SENSE THAT HE WAS STILL BEEN -- HE WAS PAYING THE PRICE FOR RUNNING ALONE. HE DID NOT SHARE...
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ON OCCASION, BUT REALLY DID NOT. ACTUALLY, I HAVE TO CONFESS HE DID HELP ME A LOT BUT THE TYPICAL DEMOCRAT CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE SAYS JACK COMES...
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HE ESSENTIALLY RUNS ALONE AND TO GET BACK TO YOUR BASIC QUESTION, HE PAID THE
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PRICE BECAUSE HE COULD NOT GET HIS GREAT BILLS -- SOME WONDERFUL LEGISLATION HE WANTED TO GET THROUGH CONGRESS WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT, AND HE FAILED...
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THE HELM BUT BRINGING MAY A GREAT MANY PEOPLE FROM A GREAT DIVERSITY OF PLACE AND THOUGHT TO CREATE LEADERSHIP. ? >> THE PERSONAL ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION...
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TRUMAN AND EVEN THE GREAT LEADERSHIP OF F.D.R., BRINGING IN CONSERVATIVES AND LIBERALS, BRINGING IN A GREAT COALITION TO ATTACK POVERTY AND THAT WAS...
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DO JOIN US. SEND US YOUR E-MAIL TO WAMU.ORG. HOW DO YOU THINK THIS IDEA OF RUNNING ALONE TRANSLATE DID DOWN TO THE VOTERS, THEMSELVES? >> I THINK IT...
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STANDPOINT, HE LOOMED SO LARGE ISSUE LIFE THAN THE OTHER POLITICIANS AND HE KNEW IT. AND TO BE ABLE TO DO EXACT WHAT HE WANTED POLITICAL, YES, WORKING...
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JFK HAD CHOSEN LBJ, WE
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LIBERALS -- AND I AM A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT -- WERE
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ABSOLUTELY ASTOUNDED AND
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ONE NICE THING ABOUT A CONVENTION STHAUJ THAT EVERYBODY IS THERE SO WHEN I GOT WORD OF THIS, I WENT ASH TO THE OTHER STATES REPRESENTED ON THE FLOOR,...
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BACK. >> WELCOME BACK. IF YOU JUST JOINED US, JAMES MANAGE GREG OR BURNS IS WITH ME. HE IS, OF COURSE, WINNER OF THE PULL ET CETERAER PRIZE. HIS BRAND-NEW...
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PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP, JFK TO BUSH II, WHY IT HAS FAILED AND HOW WE CAN FIX IT. WE DO INVITE YOUR CALLS, COMMENCE, QUESTIONS. SEND US YOUR E-MAIL TO...
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TRUMAN'S PRESIDENCY. >> DID THE PEOPLE AROUND F.D.R. AGREE WITH F.D.R.'S CHOICE OF HARRY TRUMAN? >> NO, BECAUSE THEY ALL HAD THEIR OWN CANDIDATES....
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BACK EVEN FURTHER
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THAN JFK. DON'T ALL PRESIDENT'S RUN
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ALONE? >> YES, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT TO A DEGREE AND SOME PEOPLE RUN ALONE AND STILL MAKE OUT OTHER PEOPLE GET CAUGHT. THE NARROWING OF
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THEIR CONSTITUENCIES WHEREAS THESE GREAT PRESIDENTS DEVELOPED BROAD SUPPORT, THESE NEW LATER PRESIDENTS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. >> WHAT ABOUT...
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I USE THE TERM "RUNNING ALONE" TO MEAN A NUMBER
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OF DIFFERENT THINGS. TRUMAN, TO -- SORRY. NIXON, TO A CONSIDERABLE EXTENT, RAN ALONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND THERE IS A MARVELOUS STORY. I HAVE TO...
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WHITE HOUSE, HIS OWN WHITE HOUSE. HE HAD THESE VERY CLOSE ASSOCIATES WHO BECAME FAMOUS
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OR INFAMOUS, BUT HE
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HARDLY KNEW THE PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HE HARDLY NEW
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THE CABINET PEOPLE. OF COURSE, HE KNEW THEM BUT VERY LITTLE COLLECTIVE LEADERSHIP THERE. I WILL COME BACK TO THAT MAIN THEME, AND THIS SHOWED, ALSO,...
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YOU SAYING THAT MIXON OR EVEN JFK LOOKED TO HEAR ONLY WHAT SPORTED HIS OWN THESIS? >> I THINK JOHN KENNEDY REALLY DID REACH OUT TO PEOPLE. I THINK ON...
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SUPPORT. >> AND LOOKING AT THE CURRENT GEORGE BUSH IN THE WHITE HOUSE HOW WOULD YOU REGARD HIS LEADERSHIP STYLE? >> FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO...
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SHOW COMMON SUS ASPECTS OF THIS. THAT IS NOT BEING THE KIND OFMANT THAT THEY NEED
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TO. RUNNING ALONE FOR THEIR OWN THEY HAVE NOT WORKED WITH THEIR PARTY SUFFICIENTLY. THEY HAVE NOT WORKED WITH OTHER CANDIDATES SUFFICIENTLY SO YOU FIND...
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IN THE WHITE HOUSE. I THINK -- AND THIS GOES BACK, AGAIN, TO MY HERO, F.D.R., IT WAS ROOSEVELT'S GREAT ABILITY TO COMBINE THE LIBERAL AND CENTRIST...
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THINK VOTERS SENSE THAT QUALITY OF LEADERSHIP OR DEFINE
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THAT QUALITY OF LEADERSHIP IN THOSE TERMS OR DO THEY DO IT FOR VISCERALLY? >> I THINK AMERICANS HAVE TENDED TO THINK OF, AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO ONE...
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ABOUT PARTY POLITICS. IT'S RATHER BORING EVEN TO COVER PARTY CONVENTIONS SO YOU GET THIS TREMENDOUS CONCENTRATION ON MR. ONE OR MR. BIG OR WHATEVER...
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THE MOMENT, HE IS MAKING TERRIFIC -- PUTTING TREMENDOUS IMPORTANCE ON SECURITY AND I THINK SECURITY ABSOLUTELY COMES FIRST.
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BUT AT THE SACRIFICE OF OTHER GREAT THINGS SUCH AS LIBERTY. >> SO YOU FEEL WHILE HE HAS CERTAINLY STRESSED THE SECURITY SIDE PEOPLE ARE ALSO BEGINNING...
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PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. LIFE, THE SECURITY OF THE NATION. LIBERTY COMES NEXT. >> JAMES MANAGE GREGOR BURNS, HISTORIAN AND PULITZER PRIZE-WINNING AUTHOR....
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ALONE, PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP FROM JFK TO BUSH II. AT 27 BEFORE THE HOUR, YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE DIANE REAM SHOW. IT'S TIME TO OPEN THE PHONES
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AND WE WILL GO FIRST TO ROCHESTER NEW YORK. JOHN? THANKS FOR JOINING US? >> YOU ARE WELCOME. RICHARD NIXON WAS A SIN I CAN WHO TRIED TO APPEAL BOTH...
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AND NIXON TRIED TO POLICE BOTH SIDES. WHY DO YOU FEEL IN THE BOOK AFTER RICHARD NIXON GOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, NELSON ROCKEFELLER WENT TO THE RIGHT...
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A GREAT PRESIDENT, THAT REAGAN DID GREATLY BROADEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IF ONLY BECAUSE OF THE FOLKS BUT HE REACH OUT AND HE IS A MARVELOUS SYMBOL OF...
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REPUBLICANS AND SOME DEMOCRATS HAVE UP AND DOWNERRED TO THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT -- PANDERRED TO THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT. I DON'T THINK REAGAN PANDERRED TO THE...
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OF RELIGION INTO POLITICS HAS SORT OF GONE ON THAT PATH TO CREATE MORE OF AN IMPACT OF THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT ON POLITICAL THINKING? >> YES. HE DID....
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CENTER AND IN HIS CASE, THE RIGHT. HE BROUGHT THOUSANDS, MILLIONS MAYBE OF THE EVANGELICALS INTO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I THINK THAT WAS PERFECTLY PROPER...
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IT MAY BE THAT BY BEING PART OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY, THEY MAY TAKE A BROAD APPROACH TO AMERICAN POLITICS. >> I WONDER WHETHER WHAT'S HAPPENED THROUGH...
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COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, DIANE, IT'S NOT JUST THE NUMBERS THAT WE SEE. THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN GET A CHANCE TO VOTE HERE. >> JAMES McGREGOR...
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ALONE. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. " " " >>>
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WELCOME BACK TO OUR CONVERSATION CAN HISTORIAN PULITZER-PRIZE WINNING AUTHOR JAMES McGREGOR BURNS. HIS NEW BOOK TITLED, "RUNNING ALONE: PRESIDENTIAL...
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FIX IT." LET'S GO TO EAST LANSING, MICHIGAN. BE GOOD MORNING, LAURA. YOU ARE ON THE AIR. >> GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU. I AM NOT A GREAT HISTORIAN OR A...
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THEY END UP DOING IN HISTORY? >> I WOULD SAY ANY PRESIDENT WHO TRIES TO BE A CARETAKER PRESIDENT WOULD TRY PART HARD AFTER THE FIRST FIVE MISSED. I...
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PROBLEMS THAT IT TAKES EVERYTHING THEY HAVE GOT. >> I THINK WHAT SHE HAS IMPLIED IS THAT PRESIDENTS BEFORE, SUCH AS JFK, BEFORE JFK WERE INTERESTED...
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WAY? >> THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S ONLY WHEN PRESIDENTS TRY TO BROADEN THEIR PARTY THAT THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. >> HERE IS AN E-MAIL FROM JONATHAN WHO SAYS...
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RUNNING ALONE, CONTROLLING SUBORDINATES, MANAGING
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THE FLOW OF INFORMATION AND IN THE PROCESS ALSO BALANCE HIS PERSPECTIVE AND REMAIN VITAL, WELL INFORMED AND NOT TOO INSULATED BY HIS OWN VIEWS? IS...
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CARETAKING, THE DAILY WORK WILL NOT BE HARD TO KNOW WHAT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HAS THAT QUALITY. >> LET'S GO TO CINCINNATI, OHIO. GOOD MORNING, AMANDA....
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LOAN RUNNER AND TO BE -- AND TO BE SOMEWHAT OF
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AN INDIVIDUAL IN HIS POLICY. ALSO, MARRIED INTO AN ARISTOCRATIC FAMILY. WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE IN A MARRIAGE AND A POSITION OF THE PRESIDENCY YOU ARE GOING...
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WONDERING IF YOU COULD ALTER THE CHOICES FOR JOHNSON, PERHAPS SENATOR FEINSTEIN WOULD BE AN INTERESTING COMMENTARY WHO WAS
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POSSIBLY GOING TO CHANGE HISTORY. >> SIMONTON WAS A WONDERFUL SENATOR, A WONDERFUL PERSON BUT HE COULD NOT COMPARE
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WITH LBJ IN TERMS OF WHAT LBJ. TO PUT IT VERY SIMPLY, HE BROUGHT THE SOUTH IN BEHIND KENNEDY. SIMONTON COULD NOT DO THAT. JOHNSON DID IT IN A WAY THAT...
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TAKE A MUCH MORE LIBERAL RIGHT TO CIVIL RIGHTS, ACCRUECIAL ASPECT OF THAT PRESIDENCY. SO I THINK -- I THINK JFK MIGHT HAVE PREFERRED SIMONTON AS SOMEONE...
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HAVE BEEN A TRAGEDY FOR JFK, WOULD HAVE BEEN A TRAGEDY FOR JOHNSON. I VISITED JOHNSON IN THE WHITE HOUSE JUST THAT
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LAST -- THAT LAST YEAR AND AND IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING EXPERIENCES. I WANTED TO INTERVIEW HIM THE WAY YOU INTERVIEW PEOPLE. HE DIDN'T WANT TO...
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HIS POLICY IN VIETNAM. YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF MOST
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OF MY FRIENDS ARE MILITARY PEOPLE, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE ANOTHER POINT, AND I WATCHED HIM LISTEN TO HER AND SAY NOTHING. >> WAS
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THIS LINDA OR WAS IT LUCY? >> IT WAS LINDA. >> OH. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO NOW TO CHESTER CONNECTICUT. GOOD MORNING, EDMOND, YOU ARE ON THE AIR. >> GOOD...
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A WAY ELECTED BECAUSE
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HE GOT THE SECOND MOST VOTES. NOW THE PRESIDENT
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CHOOSES HIS CANDIDATE. HAS THIS FACILITATED THIS RUNNING ALONE CONCEPT? >> YES, IT DOES. THAT'S ANOTHER
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DEVELOPMENT.
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I AM VERY GLAD YOU MENTIONED BAYS THIS GIVING PRESIDENT COMPLETE CONTROL OVER HIS VICE PRESIDENT IN A WAY WAS INEVITABLE BECAUSE PRESIDENTS HAVE TO...
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TENDED TO NARROW THE PRESIDENCY IN KENNEDY CHOOSING JOHNSON, A MAN HE DIDN'T WANT TO CHOOSE. I COULD GIVE MANY EXAMPLES BUT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT POINT....
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EFFECT. I HOPE THINKS ARE CHANGING NOW. WE HAVE TO DEVELOP
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THE KIND OF CORE OF INVOLVED CITIZENS JUST LIKE I MENTIONED, THE TURNOUT. PEOPLE WHO CAN GET PEOPLE TO VOTE. WE HEAR ABOUT 50 PERCENT VOTING BUT THERE...
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LET'S GO TO COOPERS TOWN NEW YORK. >> GOOD MORNING. HOW ARE YOU? >> I AM FINE. THANK YOU. >> MY QUESTION IS SIMPLY AND THAT IS, OF COURSE, I AGREE...
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THE MEDIA, THE CHANGING ROLE OF THE MEDIA FROM F.D.R. TO JFK
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TO NIXON OBVIOUSLY AND
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THROUGH BOTH BUSHES
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AND CLINTON TODAY, WHAT DO YOU SEE
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AS THE ROLE OF THE MEDIA ENFORCING THIS ISOLATION OF THE PRESIDENT? >> I THINK IT HAS A VERY IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY, BILL. I THINK THE PRESS DOES...
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ENOUGH ATTENTION TO THEM. >> NOT PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION AND THAT DISTANCE THAT'S CREATED SORT OF SUPPORTS THAT IDEA THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION....
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CULTURE RIGHT NOW IS ONE OF ENTITLEMENT. I AM WONDERING IF THERE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS CULTURAL THEME AND THE PROCESS OF PRESIDENTS SEEING THEMSELVES...
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ABOUT ENTITLEMENT. THEY TALK ABOUT THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR NEEDS ARE NOT RECOGNIZED. >> AT SEVEN BE MINUTES BEFORE THE HOUR, YOU ARE LISTENING TO THE...
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REPUBLICAN INTERVENTIONIST POLICY IN IRAQ. OR HAS HE MENTIONED THAT? >> WELL, THE
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REPUBLICAN LOYALLY SUPPORTING THEIR PRESIDENT AND ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, THE SORT OF RUNNING ALONE, WHICH I THINK...
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TO ONLY IF THE PRESIDENT IS DOING A GOOD JOB. >> AND DESERVES THAT LOYALTY? >> YES. >> IN THIS CASE, MANY REPUBLICANS SILENTLY AGAINST BUSH ON IRAQ...
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HOW WE FEEL. >>
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BUT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO TAKE AN ADVERSE
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EARLY POINT HERE AND SAY THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO GATHER SUPPORT FROM THE PARTY
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IS PARTY MORE IMPORTANT THAT BE COUNTRY, PROFESSOR BURNS? IS PARTY MORE IMPORTANT THAN MAKING AN HONEST, TRUE CHOICE? AND THAT'S WHAT WORRIES ME. ARE...
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RIVALRY CLEAR-CUT, WELL-STATED, AS SO MANY PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE, THAT HAS MADE THIS NATION THE DEMOCRACY IT IS. DEMOCRACY IS IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT PARTY...
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GOAT TO THE VOTERS? >> THERE HAD BEEN A CANDIDATE WHEN I WAS DESCRIBED AS NOT ONLY A MASSACHUSETTS, I WAS AN ATH EISTIC
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COMMUNIST. I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE. >> THAT WORRIES ME A GREAT DEAL. JAMES McGREGOR BURNS, WINNER OF THE PULITZER PRIZE. HIS NEW BOOK...
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THE DIANE REHM SHOW IS PRODUCED BY... >>>
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