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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
We will resume the hearings. We are just a few minutes tardy because we just finished a vote, and we now turn to Senator Grassley for his... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Thank you. Once again, I compliment you on how you have handled yourself at these hearings. You have done very well. It is going to be very hard... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, I certainly agree that every citizen who meets the qualifications not only has the right to vote but should vote. I think it’s a problem... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Thank you. The Supreme Court has repeatedly stated that the legislative history of a particular bill is critical to interpretation of the... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Sure. Well, if I leave one out, you can remind me at the end. But obviously when you are dealing with interpreting a statute, the most important... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
And you didn’t address Justice Scalia, but let me put it another way so I don’t put you in a bad position. You VerDate 0ct 09 2002 10:17... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
In some instances, I think if you look at it carefully, you can make an assessment that this is a reliable guide. And one area I didn’t... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
In regard to how you view and use legislative history, I would like to discuss your opinion in the Totten v. Bombardier Corporation case... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, Senator, the answer to your question is it’s certainly possible that the majority in that case didn’t get it right and that the dissent... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Let me tell you something you might not be aware of, and that is that the Bush administration has filed an amicus brief in the Eleventh... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, not on that one. I do know the Bush administration filed an amicus brief in our case as well. I guess this would be one of those cases... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Well, I hope sitting in the marble palace you will remember that I have great pride in the success of the False Claims Act—$8 billion coming... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, you’ve touched on a case that’s very close to my heart, Senator. It was the first case I argued before the Supreme Court. I was appointed... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Are you familiar with the legal arguments that some opponents of the False Claims Act have made to the effect that its qui tam provisions... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I think, if my memory serves, that the Article III objections, and just so we’re on the same page, the qui tam statutes, of course, are... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Other than the Totten case and the Halper case, have you ever written or spoken publicly about the issue of the constitutionality of qui... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I don’t remember any, no, Senator. |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Okay. Judge Roberts, in 1986, while serving as an Associate White House Counsel, you approved Reagan administration testimony regarding... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I don’t recall any role, Senator. Our office—the Counsel’s office would routinely review testimony that was about to be given. We were just... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Do you feel that you have any bias against the False Claims Act or Whistleblower Protection Act that would impact on your ability to fairly... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
No, Senator. I have had some whistleblower cases, different aspects I do recall coming up in the Court of Ap- VerDate 0ct 09 2002 10:17... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Are you against cameras in the courtroom like Justice Rehnquist was? |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, you know, my new best friend, Senator Thompson, assures me that television cameras are nothing to be afraid of— [Laughter.] —but... |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
I would suggest then to the Chairman that we move quickly on that bill before he has got an opinion on it. [Laughter.] |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
I intend to do just that, Senator Grassley, now that I have your support. |
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Grassley, Charles "Chuck" E. - U.S. Senator, [R] Iowa
Thank you. |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
Thank you, Senator Grassley. Senator Biden? |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Good morning, Judge. How are you? |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Good morning, Senator. Fine, thanks. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
I went back and looked at something you said yesterday, which I was reminded of by my son, who has done some appellate work—nothing like... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I am used to being interrupted before the court, that is for sure, Senator. [Laughter.] |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Well, we are kind of the court here. We are kind of the court. You are not entitled to the job, God love you. You have been nominated and... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I’ll try, Senator. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
All right. Great. I would like to follow up on yesterday. I asked you if you agreed there was a right of privacy to be found in the Liberty... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Yes. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Now, one of the things that has been amazing— you are one of the best witnesses that I think has come before this committee, and I have... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, Senator, first of all— |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
I am not asking you to comment on any case. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, I can say that it is my view that all of the Justices—I think if a case like the Glucksberg case in which a majority subscribe to... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
If I may interrupt, that is not the question I asked you. Thank you for that lesson, and I understand what you are saying. I am asking you... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, and— |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Do you side more within that context with the views of Scalia and Thomas, which say that consenting adults do not have, if they are both... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, Senator, that does get into an area that is coming before the Court. There is a case pending on the docket right now that raises the... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
It is suicide, isn’t it, Judge? |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, in that case, it’s the application of the Federal Controlled Substance law. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Right. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
The issue of illness in those cases do come before the Court. The Glucksberg case raised a similar question. The Cruzan case that you mentioned,... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Do you think the State—just talk to me as a father. Do not talk to me—just tell me, just philosophically, what do you think? Do you think—not... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
No, I’m not going to consider issues like that in the context as a father or a husband or anything else. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Well, you did— |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I think— |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Sorry. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I think, obviously, putting aside any of those considerations, these issues are the most difficult we face as people, and they are profoundly... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Right. Well, Judge, let me ask you then, with your permission, about your constitutional view. Do you think the Constitution encompasses... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, Senator, I can’t answer that question in the abstract because— |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
It is not abstract, that is real. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, Senator, as a legal matter it is abstract because the question would be in any particular case, is there a law that applies that governs... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
That is the question, Judge. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, no. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Can any law trump a fundamental right to die? Not to commit suicide, a right to decide ‘‘I no longer want to be hooked up to this machine,... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, Senator, what I’m telling you is, as you know, there are cases that come up in exactly that context so that it is in play, and the... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
That is what I want to know about because without any knowledge of your understanding of the law, because you VerDate 0ct 09 2002 10:17... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Senator, that’s asking me for a opinion in the abstract on a question that will come before the Court. And when that question does come... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Judge, I understand that. Justice Scalia says the same thing, and draws a very fundamentally different conclusion, and O’Connor. So you... |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
Without objection, they will be made a part of the record. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Senator, could I— |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
I still have the floor, and I will yield to you since you can speak after the clock is out and I cannot, okay? I am sure you understand... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I mean, I think you’re quite right that that is quite often the critical question in these cases, the degree of generality at which you... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Thirty-three seconds left. Do you agree with O’Connor then? VerDate 0ct 09 2002 10:17 Oct 26, 2005 Jkt 023539 PO 00000 Frm 00341 Fmt 6601... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, I get extra time, you said. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
I know. But I don’t. I’ve got to get it in now. [Laughter.] |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
Judge Roberts, when his red light goes on, you will have as much time as you want. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Thank you. The point is that, again, the Court has precedents on precisely that question, about how you should phrase the level of generality.... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
But which precedent do you agree with? There are competing precedents. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, you do not look at the level of generality that is the issue that’s being challenged. So, for example, in Loving v. Virginia, if the... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
But that is specific, Judge. The generality was the right to marry. That is the generality. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Well, that’s what I’m saying. The dispute is do you look at it at that level of specificity or broader. And I’m saying you do not look at... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
No one is asking for a promise. |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
Thank you very much, Senator Biden. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Thank you. Thank you, Judge. |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
Thank you, Senator. |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
Senator Kyl? |
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Kyl, Jon - U.S. Senator, [R] Arizona
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think this last exchange is important because it goes back to what we talked about at the very beginning when... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
I bet I am the wise one. |
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Kyl, Jon - U.S. Senator, [R] Arizona
I am sorry? And this is what he said: ‘‘Judge, you not only have a right to choose what you will answer and not answer, but in my view,... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
I think that’s a concern that other nominees have raised in the past, particularly given the expression of views as part of the confirmation... |
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Kyl, Jon - U.S. Senator, [R] Arizona
And I noted yesterday in response to a question, you said, ‘‘Well, that is the reward for trying to be more expansive.’’ You were talking... |
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Roberts, John G. Jr. - Judge
That’s right. There wasn’t—I don’t know if they had as much access to that type of evidence back then when it was argued, but it was certainly... |
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Kyl, Jon - U.S. Senator, [R] Arizona
Thank you. Well, let me conclude with this point. Some who are watching might come to the conclusion that there is a lot of repetition here, and... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Mr. Chairman? |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
Senator Biden? |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
A point of personal privilege, as we say in this body. VerDate 0ct 09 2002 10:17 Oct 26, 2005 Jkt 023539 PO 00000 Frm 00346 Fmt 6601 Sfmt... |
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Kyl, Jon - U.S. Senator, [R] Arizona
On my time, since I had 5 minutes and I referred to Senator Biden. Please, take my time. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Thank you. I have been quoted many times about what I said to Justice Ginsburg. With the permission of the Chairman, I will just take a... |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
Senator Biden, you may do that. You can even have more time. Senator Kyl has given— |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
No, no, I don’t want to use the time. Let me just say, here is what else I said. I said, ‘‘Now, I would hope, as I said to you very briefly,... |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
Without objection, they will be made a part of the record. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
I thank the Chairman for his courtesy and I thank the witness for listening. |
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [R] Pennsylvania
It is now 12:30 and a vote, two votes have been scheduled at this time, so we will take a lunch recess until 1:45, a quarter of 2:00. |