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00:01:294 min.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

A quorum being present, the Subcommittee on Na-

tional Security, Emerging Threats, and International Relations

hearing entitled, ‘‘U.N....

00:06:2346 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for holding

this hearing.

I want to acknowledge the presence of our ranking Democrat for

the full...

00:07:09
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Without objection, so ordered.

00:07:092 min.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

We’re at a critical moment for U.S. policy at the

United Nations, particularly regarding Iran. Just last Friday

marked the Security Council’s...

00:10:06
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

We will insert them in the record without objection.

00:10:062 min.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

We also note from the reports that the United

States is supporting military activity in Iran by Iranian

antigovernment insurgent groups,...

00:12:3830 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

I’d like to thank the gentleman.

I think, Ambassador, you know that you’re here for the Oil-for-

Food Program and the United Nations,...

00:13:08
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

I just welcome Ambassador Bolton.

Good to see you.

00:13:088 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

And at this point, the Chair would recognize Mr.

Lynch from Massachusetts.

Welcome, Mr. Lynch.

00:13:162 min.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you. I

know this is the fourth hearing we’ve had on this issue.

I also want to thank Ranking...

00:16:077 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Thank you. I thank the gentleman.

At this time, the Chair would recognize Mr. Van Hollen.

Welcome, Mr. Van Hollen.

00:16:142 min.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank

you for holding this hearing, and also thank Mr. Kucinich and Mr.

Waxman for their leadership.

Welcome,...

00:18:1649 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

I thank the gentleman.

At this time, seeing no other Members, we will invite the Honor-

able John R. Bolton to give testimony.

As...

00:19:057 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

I would ask that my prepared statement be submitted for the

record, and perhaps I could try and make...

00:19:1220 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Well, with that in mind, then, let me just take care

of this business right now and ask unanimous consent that all

members of the subcommittee...

00:19:3212 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Let me begin, if I could, by thanking you and the subcommittee

for holding this hearing. I think, Mr....

00:32:2017 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Thank you, Ambassador. I think the entire sub-

committee appreciates your statements and is happy that you had

the time to make the points...

00:32:378 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

And thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to

defer to the head of our Democratic side, the ranking member on

the full committee, Mr. Waxman.

00:32:4513 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

And as I stated earlier, Mr. Waxman, we’re putting

down 8 minutes, not 5. Hopefully, we’ll have a chance to do a little

bit of a second...

00:32:581 min.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, Mr.

Kucinich.

Ambassador Bolton, I’m pleased that you are here.

The hearing today is about the...

00:34:5411 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I have no idea. I’m not a member or was

not a member of the Intelligence Community. NIEs were drafted by

the Intelligence Community; I...

00:35:051 min.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

OK. Let’s take a closer look at the facts.

The CIA clearly didn’t accept the Niger claim. Appearing on 60

Minutes last week, Tyler Drumheller,...

00:36:189 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I’m not aware of any. I think the people

read the NIE, and that was the information that was available.

00:36:279 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

You were the top arms control official in the ad-

ministration. Are you saying you don’t know of a single person who

supported one of...

00:36:3622 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I’m saying, Congressman, that there are

people responsible for the abrogation and presentation of intel-

ligence information; that was...

00:36:58
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

So the claim came——

00:36:58
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Could I just finish, please.

00:36:58
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Yes.

00:36:5812 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I don’t have a separate—and didn’t in my

previous job—have a separate intelligence capability; so the infor-

mation that was provided...

00:37:101 min.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

The NIE was supposed to gather information from

all the relevant agencies.

Let me turn to the United Nations. On December 7, 2002, Iraq

submitted...

00:38:178 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I have no idea. I didn’t participate in the

drafting of the fact sheet. I first saw it, for the first time I believe,

last year during...

00:38:2528 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Well, the fact sheet was created from a draft of the

speech to the Security Council by Ambassador Negroponte. I under-

stand that Ambassador...

00:38:53
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

None.

00:38:5313 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

If you were the top arms control official in the U.S.

Government, Iraq’s nuclear program was the No. 1 arms control

issue in the administration.

Are...

00:39:06
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

That’s correct.

00:39:06
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Did you put the claim into the speech prepared for

Ambassador Negroponte?

00:39:0612 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I certainly did not. I just said twice I had

no role in the preparation of the speech.

00:39:18
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

OK. Did you have access to the transcript, a re-

cording of Ambassador Negroponte’s speech?

00:39:1811 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Did I have access to it? Probably. Did I

read it? I don’t think so.

00:39:297 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Could you provide to the subcommittee, as well,

the drafts of the speech that form the basis for the fact sheet? Do

you have that available?

00:39:36
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I don’t have that available.

00:39:3647 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

I’d like to ask you one final set of questions.

On April 9th of this year the Washington Post issued a story en-

titled, ‘‘A Concerted...

00:40:236 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I don’t know whether I received it at the

time or not. I don’t have any recollection of it. I certainly don’t have

a copy of it today.

00:40:291 min.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

The article says that the memo was distributed

widely, including to the White House, yet it was during this exact

same timeframe that the...

00:41:31
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Your answer will be your last response.

00:41:31
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I think you would have to ask them.

00:41:3113 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Do you accept any responsibility for having failed

these officials for allowing them to repeat these falsehoods? This is

my last question.

00:41:4411 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I don’t think anybody ever asked me

whether I thought they ought to say it or not.

I’m sorry to disappoint you, Congressman; I had no...

00:41:55
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

You didn’t speak out against it——

00:41:55
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

With all due respect, the gentleman’s time is——

00:41:558 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Well, could I just get an answer?

You didn’t speak out for it; did you speak out against it?

00:42:03
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

The gentleman’s time is over. Thank you.

00:42:039 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I would like to answer.

I don’t recall this being an issue that I spent any time on. Sorry.

00:42:12
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

It’s amazing.

00:42:12
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Sorry.

00:42:1235 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Mr. Bolton, obviously we’re going to have questions

about a lot of issues.

One of the things I find rather refreshing, usually when wit-

nesses...

00:42:471 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I think there is a complex of reasons there.

I think, first, they’re concerned about the potential loss of programs

and jobs in the U.N....

00:44:3113 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Can you tell me, though, how are you going to be

able to convince the bulk of these nations to allow these reforms

to go forward? I mean,...

00:44:441 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, I am hoping that the vote on Friday

will be perceived by a good chunk of the G–77 to be a Pyrrhic vic-

tory; that is to say, although...

00:46:07
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

When you talk about depoliticizing the Security

Council, what are you making reference to?

00:46:0750 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, I think the question of reform of the

Security Council has taken up a great deal of oxygen in the U.N.

system over the past year or...

00:46:571 min.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Let me make a point and then have you respond to

it.

In the Volcker report he said, no weapons of mass destruction in

Iraq, but he...

00:48:123 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, I think your point about the role of

sanctions is critical. If you look at the other two ends of the spec-

trum, one is the application...

00:51:2848 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Thank you.

Before recognizing Mr. Kucinich—I don’t usually do this, but two

people you know that actually work in this hearing are recorders,

and...

00:52:161 min.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for in-

jecting a note of humanity into these hearings because it is always

good to get the personal...

00:53:2123 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, U.N. doesn’t impose law, and in any

event, it is not appropriate to comment in a public session on any-

thing related to intelligence...

00:53:448 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

If the United States has combat troops in Iran,

would that be a violation of the U.N. charter?

00:53:5220 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Congressman, I have no knowledge of that

subject at all, and I just don’t think it is helpful to speculate on

that matter. If there are...

00:54:1210 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

And what would be a legal justification for one

sovereign country to insert its military forces into another sov-

ereign country under U.N....

00:54:2210 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Article 51 of the U.N. Charter provides for

the inherent right of individual and collective self-defense. That is

a pretty good basis.

00:54:3211 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

I will ask that again, for one sovereign country

to insert its military forces into another sovereign country?

This is not self-defense.

00:54:4315 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, I think the self-defense defense, as

the Secretary General’s high level panel a few years ago recog-

nized, comes in a multitude...

00:54:58
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Hypothetically it is preemption self-defense.

00:54:588 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

It certainly can be. Absolutely, as the Sec-

retary General’s own high-level panel recognized.

00:55:06
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Then is Iran an imminent threat to the United

States?

00:55:0636 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Congressman, you know, the President has

made it clear that his purpose and his priority is to achieve a

peaceful and diplomatic resolution...

00:55:42
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Do you know of a Presidential National Security

Directive on regime change in Iran?

00:55:42
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I do not.

00:55:4212 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

When did you become aware that regime change

in Iran was U.S. policy?

00:55:5431 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I don’t think that is an accurate statement

of the policy. I think Secretary Rice testified before Congress I

guess it was some months...

00:56:2513 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

We have seen a report in the New Yorker by Sey-

mour Hersh that a U.S. source told him that U.S. Marines were op-

erating in the Baluchis,...

00:56:38
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I have never heard of the report. I have

never read the article, nor do I intend to.

00:56:3815 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Do you have an interest as to whether or not—

as the U.S. Ambassador, you don’t have any interest as to whether

or not U.S. Marines...

00:56:537 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I said I had not heard of the report, and

I didn’t intend to read the article in the New Yorker.

00:57:00
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

If I give you this article right now and walked it

over right now, would you look at it?

00:57:008 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I don’t think so honestly, Congressman, be-

cause I don’t have time to read much fiction.

00:57:088 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Well, you know, now if it wasn’t fiction, Mr.

Bolton, would that be of interest to you?

00:57:1626 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Congressman, it is of interest to me to be

as fully informed on matters affecting my responsibilities in the

government as I can. I have...

00:57:429 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Well, wait a minute, Mr. Ambassador. We know

U.S. troops are in Iran. How does this affect your negotiations?

00:57:51
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, Congressman, you know more than I

do. That is all I can say.

00:57:517 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Here’s what we are going to do. We are going to go

to Mr. Lynch.

Mr. Lynch.

00:57:58
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

I am sorry, Mr. Chairman?

00:57:58
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

You have the floor. Thank you.

00:57:582 min.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you. Thank you.

Mr. Ambassador, if I could followup, first on Mr. Waxman’s ques-

tions. As he has stated, prior to becoming the...

00:59:5822 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

No, I don’t think I was excluded from any-

thing. I think that the questions that Congressman Waxman was

asking dealt with issues of intelligence...

01:00:2042 sec.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

Well, I beg to differ, sir, with all due respect. And

I think this goes to Mr. Kucinich’s questions as well, that with re-

spect to the...

01:01:02
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I agree.

01:01:021 min.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

And I don’t think that you should, on an issue of

such great importance and given your position, that you should

deny the opportunity...

01:02:142 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, I think one of the difficulties with the

sanctions regime on Iraq in the aftermath of the cease-fire in 1991

was that attention, international...

01:04:52
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Just a quick followup.

01:04:5228 sec.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

Just one very quick followup. Based on what the Sec-

retary General is recommending in his reform package that was de-

feated last Friday,...

01:05:2020 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

In terms of what he recommended in his

report, ‘‘Investing in the United States,’’ I can say this roughly, I

think between 80 and...

01:05:40
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

OK, thank you very much.

01:05:40
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Thank the gentleman.

Mr. Van Hollen.

01:05:401 min.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you, Mr. Ambassador, for your testimony.

I believe that the fact that the United States thumbed its nose

at...

01:07:361 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, first, I don’t think it is accurate to

say that the United States thumbed its nose at the Security Coun-

cil before launching the...

01:09:29
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Mr. Ambassador, I promise I have limited

time. And listen—listen——

01:09:29
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I will give an answer.

01:09:2910 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Let me say this to you, I will let you have more time.

01:09:39
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

01:09:391 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Iraq was required to make a declaration of

WMD assets that they had. And one of the declarations that Sad-

dam made in 1991 was declaration...

01:11:21
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Mr. Chairman, with all due respect, I had a

specific question.

01:11:217 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

We haven’t forgotten your question yet. The gen-

tleman has 2 minutes. Go for it.

You have time.

01:11:282 min.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Let me quickly respond. I asked, the President

himself has acknowledged in statements that our failure to find

WMD in Iraq has created more...

01:13:31
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

The purpose of invoking——

01:13:31
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

I would appreciate if you answer the questions

directly related to your duties as our Ambassador.

01:13:311 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

That is why I like to get it straight what

Chapter 7 does. And I would refer to you Article 39 of the U.N.

Charter which states that it...

01:14:5736 sec.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Mr. Chairman, if I could just get an answer

to the question, which is—look, I referenced the earlier resolution,

U.N. resolutions the...

01:15:3319 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Your question contains a non sequitur

which is why it is not possible to answer, but I would say what is

significant in the Council today...

01:15:5212 sec.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

I am certainly not suggesting that, Mr. Ambas-

sador. I am asking you if that is the element that is making it

more difficult to get consensus...

01:16:04
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

And thank you, Mr. Ambassador, you have been here

about an hour and 20 minutes. Do you have 10 more minutes?

01:16:0410 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I am having fun, Mr. Chairman. I can

spend a few more minutes.

01:16:1413 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Why don’t we do this, Mr. Kucinich, why don’t I give

you 3 minutes, and then, I am following the order, I am trying to

be respectful...

01:16:277 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

I would certainly yield to Mr. Waxman in a heart-

beat.

01:16:341 min.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Thank you, Mr. Kucinich, and Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Bolton, it was interesting, your response to Congressman

Van Hollen’s question, because...

01:17:5716 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

They may well have been. I should explain

to you, Congressman, that when I was under secretary, I had four

separate bureaus reporting to...

01:18:131 min.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

So you had no involvement in the draft of a speech

to the United Nations claiming that the reason we need to be con-

cerned about Iraq was...

01:19:16
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Without objection so ordered.

01:19:1611 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Your testimony in response to my initial round of

questions was that you had no involvement, but this Inspector

General review finds that...

01:19:2724 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

The question that was put to me by Rich-

ard Boucher was, should this fact sheet be drafted by the Bureau

of International Organization...

01:19:51
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

That wasn’t the question I asked. I asked you if

you were involved at all——

01:19:518 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I had no involvement. I had no involve-

ment myself in the preparation of the fact sheet.

01:19:59
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

The gentleman’s time has expired, but if some other

Member wants to yield.

01:19:598 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

May I say one concluding comment, Mr. Chairman,

you have been generous——

01:20:076 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Would the gentleman suspend a second? I am happy

to have one of your other colleagues lend you their 3 minutes. I

have no problem with that.

01:20:13
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Mr. Chairman, I would like to make one conclud-

ing comment.

01:20:13
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

OK, if that is all it is.

01:20:1319 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

It isastounding to me that you were in charge of

this job, and you said before that you take that responsibility to be

fully informed on...

01:20:32
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Seymour Hersh.

01:20:32
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Seymour Hersh wrote. But you are in charge of

your own duties. When you are in charge of arms control and the

biggest issue is whether we...

01:20:3250 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

The speech was written by and for Ambas-

sador Negroponte. And as I say, at the staff level in the State De-

partment, lots of things get...

01:21:22
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

You are not accepting responsibility for what’s

going on under your inspection.

01:21:2211 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Mr. Waxman, one last point, and you are just going

on. I am happy to have someone else yield to you. If Mr. Kucinich

wants to yield, or...

01:21:336 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

Mr. Chairman, I made my point. We will keep

strict track of the time you use as well.

01:21:399 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I want to say, Congressman, I wish I could

explain to you more comprehensively how the State Department

works, because I think your questions...

01:21:4813 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

No, my questions are about what you did as the

boss of the department that was supposed to be in charge of arms

control which was directly...

01:22:01
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

The biggest disappointment to you, Con-

gressman, is that I had no involvement. I am sorry about that.

01:22:0110 sec.
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California

You didn’t do your job.

01:22:116 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Ambassador, I thank you for being here. And I thank

the Members for their questions.

Mr. Kucinich you have 3 minutes.

01:22:1730 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Ambassador, you previously equated U.N. Article 51 the

right of self-defense with the doctrine of...

01:22:4713 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

There is no notification that has been

given, but by saying that, I don’t want to leave any implication

that there is some operation that...

01:23:0012 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Do you agree that the United States would have

an obligation as stated under Article 51 that if the United States

had inserted combat troops...

01:23:12
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I am not going to speculate on something

that is entirely hypothetical.

01:23:1210 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

If the United States has troops in Iran, would

Iran be justified in invoking article 51?

01:23:22
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I’m not going to speculate on that either.

01:23:2230 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Now I want to get this straight for members of

the subcommittee. The Ambassador can’t comment about troops in

Iran. He can’t talk about...

01:23:5212 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I have no knowledge one way or the other

of that subject nor is it appropriate. I work at the State Depart-

ment, not the Defense Department.

01:24:0424 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Can you say, Ambassador Bolton—according to a

report in the Guardian newspaper in early April, you told British

Parliament you believe...

01:24:28
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

The report was inaccurate.

01:24:288 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

What report? You’re saying this never happened?

You never said that?

01:24:36
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

That’s correct.

01:24:3613 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Well, let me ask you this, are you confident that

we have the information that we need to be able to ratchet up the

conflict with Iran?

01:24:4933 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I think that there are many aspects of the

Iranian nuclear weapons program and the Iranian ballistic missile

program that we don’t know...

01:25:2219 sec.
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio

Are you familiar with the report that Iranians

captured dissident forces who confess to working with U.S. troops

in Iran? Have you had any...

01:25:418 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I certainly have interest in it. With respect

to every other question I have been asked, I have only ever heard

it from you today.

01:25:49
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Mr. Lynch has the floor.

01:25:4956 sec.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Ambassador, I just

want to go over a distinction that we have had here today in this

discussion.

As I...

01:26:4554 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

If I could make two comments on that. No.

1, I don’t think I actually followed through and asked the Non-

proliferation Bureau to do that....

01:27:39
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

I have limited time so I think you have

answered——

01:27:39
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

And it was a fact sheet suppressed——

01:27:3959 sec.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

I have limited time. I think you have answered. So

even though they are under your supervision for all intents and

purposes, you are saying...

01:28:386 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Preparation of a fact sheet, Congressman,

is not a major issue of U.S. policy. This was a staff level

function——

01:28:4410 sec.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

When we are making much decisions whether or not

to go to war because Iraq is trying to acquire nuclear weapons; that

is a major issue.

01:28:5412 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Congressman. Congressman, this was not

a policy issue of any significance. It was the preparation of a fact

sheet to hand to the press about...

01:29:067 sec.
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts

They were try trying to persuade the Congress to ap-

prove the War Powers Act. That was what this is about.

01:29:138 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Mr. Van Hollen, the gentleman’s time has expired.

Mr. Ambassador, Mr. Van Hollen will have 3 minutes. I will have

3 minutes. And thank...

01:29:2111 sec.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Thank you Mr. Ambassador. I would just point out that fact

sheet was the first time where the United States publicly...

01:29:327 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I thought you actually said a moment ago

or maybe Mr. Kucinich did that the fact sheet was based on Am-

bassador Negroponte’s statement.

01:29:3926 sec.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

First of all, Mr. Ambassador, I did not say

that. I don’t know who said that. But I did not say that. But my

question to you, if I could...

01:30:0520 sec.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I think some people have raised it. I think

they are some of the same people who would object to doing what

is necessary on Iran in any...

01:30:2533 sec.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

Let me ask the question I raised in my open-

ing statement: I hope we are successful in getting the Security

Council to take actions and...

01:30:581 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

I think that would be critical if when we

get to the point of trying to have the Council adopt targeted sanc-

tions against Iran, if we...

01:32:1025 sec.
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland

And with respect to Sudan, if we are unable

to get the Security Council to take further action against Sudan,

I am glad they took the action...

01:32:351 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, I think this is certainly something I

would have to look at. We have relied on the request of the African

Union, and I think the overwhelming...

01:34:183 min.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Thank you. I am going to claim my time and just to

one, to thank you Ambassador Bolton.

Ambassador, you described the dysfunction of the...

01:37:322 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Well, I think both in the case of Iran and

really in the case of Darfur as well, that these constitute tests for

the Security Council.

In...

01:40:0013 sec.
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut

Well, I thank you very much for being here. You have

been very responsive I think, and we appreciate, I appreciate deep-

ly the work you...

01:40:132 min.
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador

Thank you Mr. Chairman.

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