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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
A quorum being present, the Subcommittee on Na- tional Security, Emerging Threats, and International Relations hearing entitled, ‘‘U.N.... |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for holding this hearing. I want to acknowledge the presence of our ranking Democrat for the full... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Without objection, so ordered. |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
We’re at a critical moment for U.S. policy at the United Nations, particularly regarding Iran. Just last Friday marked the Security Council’s... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
We will insert them in the record without objection. |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
We also note from the reports that the United States is supporting military activity in Iran by Iranian antigovernment insurgent groups,... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
I’d like to thank the gentleman. I think, Ambassador, you know that you’re here for the Oil-for- Food Program and the United Nations,... |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
I just welcome Ambassador Bolton. Good to see you. |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
And at this point, the Chair would recognize Mr. Lynch from Massachusetts. Welcome, Mr. Lynch. |
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Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you. I know this is the fourth hearing we’ve had on this issue. I also want to thank Ranking... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Thank you. I thank the gentleman. At this time, the Chair would recognize Mr. Van Hollen. Welcome, Mr. Van Hollen. |
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Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you for holding this hearing, and also thank Mr. Kucinich and Mr. Waxman for their leadership. Welcome,... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
I thank the gentleman. At this time, seeing no other Members, we will invite the Honor- able John R. Bolton to give testimony. As... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I would ask that my prepared statement be submitted for the record, and perhaps I could try and make... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Well, with that in mind, then, let me just take care of this business right now and ask unanimous consent that all members of the subcommittee... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Let me begin, if I could, by thanking you and the subcommittee for holding this hearing. I think, Mr.... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Thank you, Ambassador. I think the entire sub- committee appreciates your statements and is happy that you had the time to make the points... |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
And thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to defer to the head of our Democratic side, the ranking member on the full committee, Mr. Waxman. |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
And as I stated earlier, Mr. Waxman, we’re putting down 8 minutes, not 5. Hopefully, we’ll have a chance to do a little bit of a second... |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Kucinich. Ambassador Bolton, I’m pleased that you are here. The hearing today is about the... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I have no idea. I’m not a member or was not a member of the Intelligence Community. NIEs were drafted by the Intelligence Community; I... |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
OK. Let’s take a closer look at the facts. The CIA clearly didn’t accept the Niger claim. Appearing on 60 Minutes last week, Tyler Drumheller,... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I’m not aware of any. I think the people read the NIE, and that was the information that was available. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
You were the top arms control official in the ad- ministration. Are you saying you don’t know of a single person who supported one of... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I’m saying, Congressman, that there are people responsible for the abrogation and presentation of intel- ligence information; that was... |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
So the claim came—— |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Could I just finish, please. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Yes. |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I don’t have a separate—and didn’t in my previous job—have a separate intelligence capability; so the infor- mation that was provided... |
| 00:37:101 min. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
The NIE was supposed to gather information from all the relevant agencies. Let me turn to the United Nations. On December 7, 2002, Iraq submitted... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I have no idea. I didn’t participate in the drafting of the fact sheet. I first saw it, for the first time I believe, last year during... |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Well, the fact sheet was created from a draft of the speech to the Security Council by Ambassador Negroponte. I under- stand that Ambassador... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
None. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
If you were the top arms control official in the U.S. Government, Iraq’s nuclear program was the No. 1 arms control issue in the administration. Are... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
That’s correct. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Did you put the claim into the speech prepared for Ambassador Negroponte? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I certainly did not. I just said twice I had no role in the preparation of the speech. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
OK. Did you have access to the transcript, a re- cording of Ambassador Negroponte’s speech? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Did I have access to it? Probably. Did I read it? I don’t think so. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Could you provide to the subcommittee, as well, the drafts of the speech that form the basis for the fact sheet? Do you have that available? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I don’t have that available. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
I’d like to ask you one final set of questions. On April 9th of this year the Washington Post issued a story en- titled, ‘‘A Concerted... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I don’t know whether I received it at the time or not. I don’t have any recollection of it. I certainly don’t have a copy of it today. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
The article says that the memo was distributed widely, including to the White House, yet it was during this exact same timeframe that the... |
| 00:41:31 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Your answer will be your last response. |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I think you would have to ask them. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Do you accept any responsibility for having failed these officials for allowing them to repeat these falsehoods? This is my last question. |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I don’t think anybody ever asked me whether I thought they ought to say it or not. I’m sorry to disappoint you, Congressman; I had no... |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
You didn’t speak out against it—— |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
With all due respect, the gentleman’s time is—— |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Well, could I just get an answer? You didn’t speak out for it; did you speak out against it? |
| 00:42:03 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
The gentleman’s time is over. Thank you. |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I would like to answer. I don’t recall this being an issue that I spent any time on. Sorry. |
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Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
It’s amazing. |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Sorry. |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Mr. Bolton, obviously we’re going to have questions about a lot of issues. One of the things I find rather refreshing, usually when wit- nesses... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I think there is a complex of reasons there. I think, first, they’re concerned about the potential loss of programs and jobs in the U.N.... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Can you tell me, though, how are you going to be able to convince the bulk of these nations to allow these reforms to go forward? I mean,... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, I am hoping that the vote on Friday will be perceived by a good chunk of the G–77 to be a Pyrrhic vic- tory; that is to say, although... |
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Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
When you talk about depoliticizing the Security Council, what are you making reference to? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, I think the question of reform of the Security Council has taken up a great deal of oxygen in the U.N. system over the past year or... |
| 00:46:571 min. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Let me make a point and then have you respond to it. In the Volcker report he said, no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but he... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, I think your point about the role of sanctions is critical. If you look at the other two ends of the spec- trum, one is the application... |
| 00:51:2848 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Thank you. Before recognizing Mr. Kucinich—I don’t usually do this, but two people you know that actually work in this hearing are recorders, and... |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for in- jecting a note of humanity into these hearings because it is always good to get the personal... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, U.N. doesn’t impose law, and in any event, it is not appropriate to comment in a public session on any- thing related to intelligence... |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
If the United States has combat troops in Iran, would that be a violation of the U.N. charter? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Congressman, I have no knowledge of that subject at all, and I just don’t think it is helpful to speculate on that matter. If there are... |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
And what would be a legal justification for one sovereign country to insert its military forces into another sov- ereign country under U.N.... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Article 51 of the U.N. Charter provides for the inherent right of individual and collective self-defense. That is a pretty good basis. |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
I will ask that again, for one sovereign country to insert its military forces into another sovereign country? This is not self-defense. |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, I think the self-defense defense, as the Secretary General’s high level panel a few years ago recog- nized, comes in a multitude... |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Hypothetically it is preemption self-defense. |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
It certainly can be. Absolutely, as the Sec- retary General’s own high-level panel recognized. |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Then is Iran an imminent threat to the United States? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Congressman, you know, the President has made it clear that his purpose and his priority is to achieve a peaceful and diplomatic resolution... |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Do you know of a Presidential National Security Directive on regime change in Iran? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I do not. |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
When did you become aware that regime change in Iran was U.S. policy? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I don’t think that is an accurate statement of the policy. I think Secretary Rice testified before Congress I guess it was some months... |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
We have seen a report in the New Yorker by Sey- mour Hersh that a U.S. source told him that U.S. Marines were op- erating in the Baluchis,... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I have never heard of the report. I have never read the article, nor do I intend to. |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Do you have an interest as to whether or not— as the U.S. Ambassador, you don’t have any interest as to whether or not U.S. Marines... |
| 00:56:537 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I said I had not heard of the report, and I didn’t intend to read the article in the New Yorker. |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
If I give you this article right now and walked it over right now, would you look at it? |
| 00:57:008 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I don’t think so honestly, Congressman, be- cause I don’t have time to read much fiction. |
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Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Well, you know, now if it wasn’t fiction, Mr. Bolton, would that be of interest to you? |
| 00:57:1626 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Congressman, it is of interest to me to be as fully informed on matters affecting my responsibilities in the government as I can. I have... |
| 00:57:429 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Well, wait a minute, Mr. Ambassador. We know U.S. troops are in Iran. How does this affect your negotiations? |
| 00:57:51 |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, Congressman, you know more than I do. That is all I can say. |
| 00:57:517 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Here’s what we are going to do. We are going to go to Mr. Lynch. Mr. Lynch. |
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Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
I am sorry, Mr. Chairman? |
| 00:57:58 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
You have the floor. Thank you. |
| 00:57:582 min. |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Ambassador, if I could followup, first on Mr. Waxman’s ques- tions. As he has stated, prior to becoming the... |
| 00:59:5822 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
No, I don’t think I was excluded from any- thing. I think that the questions that Congressman Waxman was asking dealt with issues of intelligence... |
| 01:00:2042 sec. |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
Well, I beg to differ, sir, with all due respect. And I think this goes to Mr. Kucinich’s questions as well, that with re- spect to the... |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I agree. |
| 01:01:021 min. |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
And I don’t think that you should, on an issue of such great importance and given your position, that you should deny the opportunity... |
| 01:02:142 min. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, I think one of the difficulties with the sanctions regime on Iraq in the aftermath of the cease-fire in 1991 was that attention, international... |
| 01:04:52 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Just a quick followup. |
| 01:04:5228 sec. |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
Just one very quick followup. Based on what the Sec- retary General is recommending in his reform package that was de- feated last Friday,... |
| 01:05:2020 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
In terms of what he recommended in his report, ‘‘Investing in the United States,’’ I can say this roughly, I think between 80 and... |
| 01:05:40 |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
OK, thank you very much. |
| 01:05:40 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Thank the gentleman. Mr. Van Hollen. |
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Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Ambassador, for your testimony. I believe that the fact that the United States thumbed its nose at... |
| 01:07:361 min. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, first, I don’t think it is accurate to say that the United States thumbed its nose at the Security Coun- cil before launching the... |
| 01:09:29 |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Mr. Ambassador, I promise I have limited time. And listen—listen—— |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I will give an answer. |
| 01:09:2910 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Let me say this to you, I will let you have more time. |
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Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. |
| 01:09:391 min. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Iraq was required to make a declaration of WMD assets that they had. And one of the declarations that Sad- dam made in 1991 was declaration... |
| 01:11:21 |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Mr. Chairman, with all due respect, I had a specific question. |
| 01:11:217 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
We haven’t forgotten your question yet. The gen- tleman has 2 minutes. Go for it. You have time. |
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Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Let me quickly respond. I asked, the President himself has acknowledged in statements that our failure to find WMD in Iraq has created more... |
| 01:13:31 |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
The purpose of invoking—— |
| 01:13:31 |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
I would appreciate if you answer the questions directly related to your duties as our Ambassador. |
| 01:13:311 min. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
That is why I like to get it straight what Chapter 7 does. And I would refer to you Article 39 of the U.N. Charter which states that it... |
| 01:14:5736 sec. |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Mr. Chairman, if I could just get an answer to the question, which is—look, I referenced the earlier resolution, U.N. resolutions the... |
| 01:15:3319 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Your question contains a non sequitur which is why it is not possible to answer, but I would say what is significant in the Council today... |
| 01:15:5212 sec. |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
I am certainly not suggesting that, Mr. Ambas- sador. I am asking you if that is the element that is making it more difficult to get consensus... |
| 01:16:04 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
And thank you, Mr. Ambassador, you have been here about an hour and 20 minutes. Do you have 10 more minutes? |
| 01:16:0410 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I am having fun, Mr. Chairman. I can spend a few more minutes. |
| 01:16:1413 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Why don’t we do this, Mr. Kucinich, why don’t I give you 3 minutes, and then, I am following the order, I am trying to be respectful... |
| 01:16:277 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
I would certainly yield to Mr. Waxman in a heart- beat. |
| 01:16:341 min. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Thank you, Mr. Kucinich, and Mr. Chairman. Mr. Bolton, it was interesting, your response to Congressman Van Hollen’s question, because... |
| 01:17:5716 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
They may well have been. I should explain to you, Congressman, that when I was under secretary, I had four separate bureaus reporting to... |
| 01:18:131 min. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
So you had no involvement in the draft of a speech to the United Nations claiming that the reason we need to be con- cerned about Iraq was... |
| 01:19:16 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Without objection so ordered. |
| 01:19:1611 sec. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Your testimony in response to my initial round of questions was that you had no involvement, but this Inspector General review finds that... |
| 01:19:2724 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
The question that was put to me by Rich- ard Boucher was, should this fact sheet be drafted by the Bureau of International Organization... |
| 01:19:51 |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
That wasn’t the question I asked. I asked you if you were involved at all—— |
| 01:19:518 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I had no involvement. I had no involve- ment myself in the preparation of the fact sheet. |
| 01:19:59 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
The gentleman’s time has expired, but if some other Member wants to yield. |
| 01:19:598 sec. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
May I say one concluding comment, Mr. Chairman, you have been generous—— |
| 01:20:076 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Would the gentleman suspend a second? I am happy to have one of your other colleagues lend you their 3 minutes. I have no problem with that. |
| 01:20:13 |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Mr. Chairman, I would like to make one conclud- ing comment. |
| 01:20:13 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
OK, if that is all it is. |
| 01:20:1319 sec. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
It isastounding to me that you were in charge of this job, and you said before that you take that responsibility to be fully informed on... |
| 01:20:32 |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Seymour Hersh. |
| 01:20:32 |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Seymour Hersh wrote. But you are in charge of your own duties. When you are in charge of arms control and the biggest issue is whether we... |
| 01:20:3250 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
The speech was written by and for Ambas- sador Negroponte. And as I say, at the staff level in the State De- partment, lots of things get... |
| 01:21:22 |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
You are not accepting responsibility for what’s going on under your inspection. |
| 01:21:2211 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Mr. Waxman, one last point, and you are just going on. I am happy to have someone else yield to you. If Mr. Kucinich wants to yield, or... |
| 01:21:336 sec. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
Mr. Chairman, I made my point. We will keep strict track of the time you use as well. |
| 01:21:399 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I want to say, Congressman, I wish I could explain to you more comprehensively how the State Department works, because I think your questions... |
| 01:21:4813 sec. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
No, my questions are about what you did as the boss of the department that was supposed to be in charge of arms control which was directly... |
| 01:22:01 |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
The biggest disappointment to you, Con- gressman, is that I had no involvement. I am sorry about that. |
| 01:22:0110 sec. |
Waxman, Henry - U.S. Representative, [D] California
You didn’t do your job. |
| 01:22:116 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Ambassador, I thank you for being here. And I thank the Members for their questions. Mr. Kucinich you have 3 minutes. |
| 01:22:1730 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Ambassador, you previously equated U.N. Article 51 the right of self-defense with the doctrine of... |
| 01:22:4713 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
There is no notification that has been given, but by saying that, I don’t want to leave any implication that there is some operation that... |
| 01:23:0012 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Do you agree that the United States would have an obligation as stated under Article 51 that if the United States had inserted combat troops... |
| 01:23:12 |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I am not going to speculate on something that is entirely hypothetical. |
| 01:23:1210 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
If the United States has troops in Iran, would Iran be justified in invoking article 51? |
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Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I’m not going to speculate on that either. |
| 01:23:2230 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Now I want to get this straight for members of the subcommittee. The Ambassador can’t comment about troops in Iran. He can’t talk about... |
| 01:23:5212 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I have no knowledge one way or the other of that subject nor is it appropriate. I work at the State Depart- ment, not the Defense Department. |
| 01:24:0424 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Can you say, Ambassador Bolton—according to a report in the Guardian newspaper in early April, you told British Parliament you believe... |
| 01:24:28 |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
The report was inaccurate. |
| 01:24:288 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
What report? You’re saying this never happened? You never said that? |
| 01:24:36 |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
That’s correct. |
| 01:24:3613 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Well, let me ask you this, are you confident that we have the information that we need to be able to ratchet up the conflict with Iran? |
| 01:24:4933 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I think that there are many aspects of the Iranian nuclear weapons program and the Iranian ballistic missile program that we don’t know... |
| 01:25:2219 sec. |
Kucinich, Dennis - U.S. Representative, [D] Ohio
Are you familiar with the report that Iranians captured dissident forces who confess to working with U.S. troops in Iran? Have you had any... |
| 01:25:418 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I certainly have interest in it. With respect to every other question I have been asked, I have only ever heard it from you today. |
| 01:25:49 |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Mr. Lynch has the floor. |
| 01:25:4956 sec. |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Ambassador, I just want to go over a distinction that we have had here today in this discussion. As I... |
| 01:26:4554 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
If I could make two comments on that. No. 1, I don’t think I actually followed through and asked the Non- proliferation Bureau to do that.... |
| 01:27:39 |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
I have limited time so I think you have answered—— |
| 01:27:39 |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
And it was a fact sheet suppressed—— |
| 01:27:3959 sec. |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
I have limited time. I think you have answered. So even though they are under your supervision for all intents and purposes, you are saying... |
| 01:28:386 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Preparation of a fact sheet, Congressman, is not a major issue of U.S. policy. This was a staff level function—— |
| 01:28:4410 sec. |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
When we are making much decisions whether or not to go to war because Iraq is trying to acquire nuclear weapons; that is a major issue. |
| 01:28:5412 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Congressman. Congressman, this was not a policy issue of any significance. It was the preparation of a fact sheet to hand to the press about... |
| 01:29:067 sec. |
Lynch, Stephen F. - U.S. Representative, [D] Massachusetts
They were try trying to persuade the Congress to ap- prove the War Powers Act. That was what this is about. |
| 01:29:138 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Mr. Van Hollen, the gentleman’s time has expired. Mr. Ambassador, Mr. Van Hollen will have 3 minutes. I will have 3 minutes. And thank... |
| 01:29:2111 sec. |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you Mr. Ambassador. I would just point out that fact sheet was the first time where the United States publicly... |
| 01:29:327 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I thought you actually said a moment ago or maybe Mr. Kucinich did that the fact sheet was based on Am- bassador Negroponte’s statement. |
| 01:29:3926 sec. |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
First of all, Mr. Ambassador, I did not say that. I don’t know who said that. But I did not say that. But my question to you, if I could... |
| 01:30:0520 sec. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I think some people have raised it. I think they are some of the same people who would object to doing what is necessary on Iran in any... |
| 01:30:2533 sec. |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
Let me ask the question I raised in my open- ing statement: I hope we are successful in getting the Security Council to take actions and... |
| 01:30:581 min. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
I think that would be critical if when we get to the point of trying to have the Council adopt targeted sanc- tions against Iran, if we... |
| 01:32:1025 sec. |
Van Hollen, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [D] Maryland
And with respect to Sudan, if we are unable to get the Security Council to take further action against Sudan, I am glad they took the action... |
| 01:32:351 min. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, I think this is certainly something I would have to look at. We have relied on the request of the African Union, and I think the overwhelming... |
| 01:34:183 min. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Thank you. I am going to claim my time and just to one, to thank you Ambassador Bolton. Ambassador, you described the dysfunction of the... |
| 01:37:322 min. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Well, I think both in the case of Iran and really in the case of Darfur as well, that these constitute tests for the Security Council. In... |
| 01:40:0013 sec. |
Shays, Christopher - U.S. Representative, [R] Connecticut
Well, I thank you very much for being here. You have been very responsive I think, and we appreciate, I appreciate deep- ly the work you... |
| 01:40:132 min. |
Bolton, John R. - Ambassador
Thank you Mr. Chairman. |