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WELCOME, EVERYONE. WELL, ESPECIALLY TO ALL OF YOU HARPER'S MAGAZINE SUBSCRIBERS. [APPLAUSE] MY NAME IS RICK MAC ARTHUR. IN MORE THAN 20 YEARS AS PUBLISHER,...
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| 00:00:44 |
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IN ONE PLACE. [LAUGHTER] I AM OBLIGED TO SAY AT THE OUTSET, THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL RALLY. NOR IS IT ANY EXPLICIT CALL TO ACTION. OUR GOAL HERE IS TO...
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| 00:05:14 |
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THE INTEREST OF DISCLOSURE, I WILL TELL YOU ALL THAT I AM NOT NECESSARILY A BIG FAN OF THE PRESIDENT AND ADMINISTRATION. HOWEVER, I WILL DO MY BEST, AND...
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| 00:14:14 |
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A MAJORITY, THE SENATE THEN TRIES THE PRESIDENT OR VICE- PRESIDENT OR OTHER OFFICER AND THAT HAS TO BE BY TWO-THIRDS OF THE SENATE. A LOT OF THE DISPUTE...
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| 00:16:38 |
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TO PROTECT THE CHECKS AND BALANCES OF POWER. IT IS TO PROTECT THE PRINCIPLES OF OUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS A TRIANGLE. EXECUTIVE, A JUDICIARY, AND LEGISLATED....
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| 00:16:58 |
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IS THE WHOLESOME ARRANGEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED FROM FACTION. THEREFORE, BUSH IS NOT, IN MICHAEL'S PHRASE, PROTECTING AND PRESERVING THE CONSTITUTION....
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| 00:18:29 |
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CONGRESS AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BEGIN TO ASSERT OURSELVES AFTER THIS EXECUTIVE BRANCH, WITH THE PRESIDENT AND ALL THOSE AROUND HIM, HAVE CONTINUED TO...
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| 00:20:46 |
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PARAMETERS OF THEIR ROLE. WHY DO YOU THINK THE
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| 00:20:53 |
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ROLE TO INITIATE
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| 00:20:54 |
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IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS STARTS IN THE CONGRESS? WHY DO YOU THINK THE FRAMERS STRUCTURED IT THAT WAY? >> FIRST OF ALL, I EXPLAINED SOME OF THIS IN THE...
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| 00:21:23 |
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THE FRAMERS PUT THE POWER TO REMOVE AN EXECUTIVE, FIRST IN THE HANDS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE IT IS THE BODY OF CONGRESS CLOSEST TO THE...
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| 00:24:00 |
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UNDERTAKEN LIGHTLY. BUT IT WILL NOT
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| 00:24:02 |
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GET STARTED, AND IT IS UNREALISTIC TO EXPRESS, THAT CONGRESS WILL START IT ON ITS OWN UNTIL THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES DEMANDED. WHEN CONGRESS...
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| 00:25:04 |
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WHAT I MEANT BY THAT -- [LAUGHTER] I THINK I MUST HAVE BEEN STANDING OVER A MICROPHONE IN THE
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| 00:25:16 |
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OVAL OFFICE EVERY TIME I WENT IN THERE. MY VOICE ALWAYS SEEMED TO COME THROUGH VERY CLEARLY, WHICH WAS GOOD FOR YOU IN THE COMMITTEE LATER. [LAUGHTER]...
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| 00:27:29 |
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FROM 34% TO 37 PERCENT. AND VICE-PRESIDENT CHENEY IS THAT 18 PERCENT. [LAUGHTER] THAT TELLS YOU THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY. THE SUPPORT...
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| 00:29:44 |
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CAN SEE -- WHICH RUNS THROUGH 190 PAGES, AND 1100 NOTES -- IT TAKES THE ARGUMENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF
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| 00:29:57 |
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DETAILS. THE MOST APPARENT ONE TO ME WAS THE NOTION THAT THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S INVASION OF IRAQ WAS THE PERPETRATION OF A CRIMINAL FRAUD ON THE PEOPLE...
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| 00:31:36 |
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CENTERS WEBSITE TO JOIN THE EFFORTS OF JOHN CONYERS -- OF JOHN CONYERS. THAT IS IMPORTANT. WHEN LIZ
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| 00:31:47 |
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SAID THAT IN THESE MYSTICAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDO AN ELECTION, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, IT IS NOT WANT TO BE SO HARD THIS TIME BECAUSE HE WAS NEVER REALLY...
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| 00:37:08 |
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TO SAY, I DO NOT SAY TOTALLY FACETIOUSLY. AS I THINK ABOUT IMPEACHMENT WITH BUSH, I REALLY DO WONDER IF IGNORANCE IS A DEFENSE. [LAUGHTER] I DO NOT THINK...
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| 00:38:02 |
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AM NOT SAYING, THAT HE SHOULD SAY IN THE IMPEACHMENT HEARING THAT HE IS COMPLETELY IGNORANT. THAT IS NOT A SOLID DEFENSE, BUT IT IS A REALISTIC ONE...
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| 00:38:24 |
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I THINK MY OUT -- MICHAEL HAS OUTLINED IT. I DO NOT THINK THAT STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE ARE EXCUSES. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES NOT ONLY SAID THAT...
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| 00:38:39 |
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THE LAW WITH REGARD TO THE MCCAIN AMENDMENTS AND HAS SAID THAT HE IS ABOVE THE LAW WITH REGARD TO WIRETAPPING, BUT ONE THING THAT MICHAEL DID NOT MENTION...
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| 00:43:29 |
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BUSH WHEN HE LOOKED AT THIS INTELLIGENCE? WHAT IF, IN REGARDS TO THE WARRANT LESS SPYING, THAT THERE IS NEVER A COURT CASE THAT HEARS THIS, AND IT CANNOT...
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| 00:44:15 |
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IT IS NOT CLASSIFIED. HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF EVIDENCE THROUGH THE DOWNING STREET MINUTES, THE DECEPTION AND MANIPULATION THERE OF, THE ENTIRE TORTURED...
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| 00:46:47 |
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THE CONSTITUTION, AN IMPEACHMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT ANY
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| 00:46:51 |
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LARVAE VIOLATED OR THE CONSTITUTION. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON THEIR OWN. SO, IF SOMEHOW THE PRESIDENT AVOIDS ANY COURT...
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| 00:47:30 |
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WHAT DID WE HAVE IN WATERGATE? WE JUST HAD INDICTMENTS BY THE TIME THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE VOTED. . NO
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| 00:47:54 |
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CARRIERRINGCONNECT 120 OTHER HIGH CRIMES OR MISDEMEANORS. >> OR HAVE SEX IN THE OFFICE. >> YOU HAVE TO SHOW ABUSES OF POWER. IMPEACHMENT SHOULD NOT...
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| 00:48:46 |
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THISc >> YOU'VE
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| 00:48:49 |
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GOT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU HERE. >> LOOK, THERE'S -- THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO TAKE IMPEACHMENT AND MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT...
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| 00:49:08 |
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THAT HE SHOULD
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| 00:49:10 |
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BE SUBJECT TO IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT IS A RARELY
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| 00:49:16 |
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USED TOOL. WE'VE SEEN ONLY SEVERAL TIMES HAS IT BEEN SERIOUSLY APPLIED, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE OTHER CASES THAT INVOLVE OTHERS IN GOVERNMENT. SO MY APPROACH...
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| 00:50:36 |
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JUST BURIED. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IF A BILL OF IMPEACHMENT INTRODUCES, IT'S A PRIVILEGED MATTER, IT WILL DIE, GERALD FORD TRIED TO CREATE A SPECIAL SELECT...
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| 00:51:40 |
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I UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF NEEDING A SELECT COMMITTEE AND A SERIOUS INVESTIGATION ETC., BUT
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| 00:51:46 |
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IT ISN'T THE SAME AS A DOUGLAS SITUATION. YOU HAVE PRESIDENT BUSH GETTING UP THERE SAYING I SIGNED 35 EXECUTIVE ORDERS AUTHORIZING WARRANTLESS...
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| 00:52:48 |
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CONGRESS TO GO TO WAR IN IRAQ. ONE OF THE OFTEN OVERLOOKED PROVISIONS IN THAT RESOLUTION OF WAR WAS THAT IT WAS A CONDITIONAL REVOLUTION.
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| 00:52:58 |
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THE CONGRESS REQUIRED THAT THE, THAT A FIND BEING MADE BY THE PRESIDENT AND REPORTED TO THE CONGRESS WITHIN 24 HOURS EITHER BEFORE OR AFTER GOING, BECAUSE...
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| 00:54:45 |
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HAVEN'T FOUND OUT ENOUGH ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING KEPT OUT OF THE LOOP BY THE MEDIA, AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT IS THROUGH THESE KINDS...
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| 00:55:26 |
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IMPEACHED AND AT THE SAME TIME POLLS ARE SAYING 53% OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BELIEVES PRESIDENT BUSH MISLED US INTO THIS WAR. WHY IS THE MEDIA NOT...
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| 00:56:04 |
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THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTY. THE MEDIA TENDS TO BELIEVE THAT THE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT ARE THE DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PARTY. AND THERE ARE...
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| 00:58:47 |
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EMAILS THAT HAD BEEN NOT ARCHIVED IN THE RIGHT FASHION AND THE -- HAD NOT BEEN TURNED OVER WHEN THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR HAD ASKED FOR IT. WE DON'T...
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| 01:01:00 |
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WHEN WE WANTED TO CHANGE POLICY, WHICH IS DEMONSTRATE, GET ARRESTED, DO WHAT THOSE STUDENTS AT GEORGETOWN DO AND TURN THEIR BACKS TO GONZALES, AND...
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| 01:01:43 |
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BE LEFT TO THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, WE WANT TO KNOW BEFORE, BECAUSE OUR
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| 01:01:49 |
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VOTES WILL LIKELY TURN ON THG KINDSu!
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| 01:01:53 |
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OF RESPONSES, AND SO, AS AN ETERNAL OPTIMIST, LET'S GET SOME CHANGE GOING AND LET'S USE THIS CALL TO ACTION IN WHICH 27 MEMBERS HAVE JOINED WITH ME...
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| 01:03:17 |
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AFTER 9/11. SO I BEGAN -- I WRITE COLUMNS, I BEGAN DOING A FEW COLUMNS, THINKING I WAS SENDING UP A FLARE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ALERT TO THIS PROBLEM...
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| 01:04:59 |
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NOT INTERESTED IN IT. AND WE HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT ABOUT THAT'S WHY IT FAILED. >> IF YOU LOOK IN THE PREWATERGATE YEARS, YOU'LL SEE THE PRESS WAS...
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| 01:05:25 |
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KINDS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES, HIS CHIEF OF STAFF WAS SNORTING COCAINE OR POURING DRINKS DOWN THE FRONT OF SOME LADY, IT JUST WENT ON AND ON THOSE OFTEN...
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| 01:06:17 |
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THINKING ABOUT IT. AND BECAUSE OF THE TIR RAN CALL ATTITUDE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION TOWARD THE MEDIA, THAT INTIMIDATES THEM EVEN FURTHER TO MORE SELF-CENSORSHIP....
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| 01:06:54 |
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JOHN CONYERS' BILL SO HOW MANY OF US WHO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HAVE DONE ANYTHING. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD WANT TO SAY TO EVERYBODY HERE, DO SOMETHING,...
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| 01:07:40 |
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TIT FOR TAT, REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT, IT WILL SUBTRACT OR DEFLECT THE SERIOUSNESS OF WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DOING. SO, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE...
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| 01:09:07 |
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OF ON THE
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| 01:09:09 |
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FUNCTION OF THE LEGISLATURE, YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN. THEY LET THE LESSER QUESTION SUBMERGE THE MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION, I THINK. IF WE LET THAT HAPPEN...
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| 01:09:55 |
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WENT OUT AND TRIED TO MAKE THE IMPEACHMENT OF THE PRESIDENT THE ISSUE, RALLYING THE BASE TO TRY TO GET THEM VERY ACTIVE, AND THEY LOST. THERE WAS NO...
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| 01:10:33 |
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THAT MANY AMERICANS ARE VERY TROUBLED ABOUT WHAT PRESIDENT BUSH HAS DONE. I
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| 01:10:38 |
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THINK REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS ARE TROUBLED. EVEN THE REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT FISA? I MAY NOT AGREE WITH THEIR...
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| 01:11:23 |
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IMPEACHMENT OF RICHARD NIXON, WHEN IMPEACHMENT WASN'T ON ANYBODY'S MIND AND IT
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| 01:11:28 |
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TOOK A LONG TIME TO EDUCATE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO THAT AND THAT WAS OK, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IMPEACHMENT SHOULD BE USED JUST ANY OLD TIME. IT'S...
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| 01:12:39 |
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EUROPEAN GOVERNMENT, PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT, YOU CAN DISSOLVE THE GOVERNMENT WHEN IT IS AS INCOMPETENT AS THIS ONE. OR AS CRIMINAL. AND SO,...
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| 01:13:32 |
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INITIATED. WHAT WILL Bc --0 WHAT WOULD THE PANEL MEMBERS LIKE TO SEE -- BE THE ISSUES THAT THE COMMITTEE DEALS WITH? IS IT LIMITED TO THE THREE WE ...
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| 01:14:23 |
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CHAIRMAN'S PARTY. SO THAT YOU HAVE FAIRNESS AND YOU TAKE OUT THE UNEVENNESS THAT NOW CONTROLS THE COMMITTEE MAKEUP, WHICH IS QUITE DISPARTY IN SOME...
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| 01:16:28 |
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CLEAR TO MOST PEOPLE THAT IRAQ WAS
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| 01:16:32 |
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ON THE LIST OF COUNTRIES TO BE GOTTEN, EVEN BEFORE 9/11. AND SO, WE'VE GOT TO PROVE THAT. WE CAN'T JUST SAY, WELL, HERE, 50 PEOPLE SAYING THAT....
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| 01:18:27 |
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WHAT CAME OUT THEY HAVE GRAND JURY THAT REALLY NAILED IT. THE SAME HAPPENED IN THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT. IT WAS A SPECIAL COUNSEL, AN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL...
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| 01:19:19 |
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ON DIFFERENT POTENTIAL THINGS THAT INDIVIDUALLY COULD WARRANT IMPEACHMENT, DO YOU STRENGTHEN YOUR CASE THAT WAY? >> I MEAN, I DON'T REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE...
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| 01:19:49 |
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WITH ABUSE OF POWER SAME THING. THE SUBPOENAS, THERE WERE A LOT OF SUBPOENAS THAT WERE NOT RESPONDED TO. SO THAT IT SEEMS TO ME THE VALERIE PLAME ISSUE...
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| 01:21:01 |
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PEOPLE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS COLLECT THE FACTS,
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| 01:21:05 |
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PRESENTED IN A FAIR WAY, AND THEN MAKE A JUDGMENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE A PRIMA FACIE CASE, BUT I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL WANT MORE...
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| 01:21:44 |
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WHEN OFF CONGRESS THAT'S SADLY, OVERWHELMINGLY VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION AGAINST IRAQ. AND NOT ALL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. SO...
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| 01:22:46 |
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HIS OR HER POSITION IS BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER, SO THAT MB UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHO THEY'RE VOTING BACK INTO CONGRESS FOR THE 110TH SESSION OF CONGRESS....
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| 01:24:14 |
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THAT UP.
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| 01:24:15 |
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IT'S NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT
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| 01:24:17 |
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GOING TO COME BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT AND THEY'RE WRONG. >> CONGRESSMAN
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| 01:24:20 |
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I WANT TO ASK YOU -- >> CAN I JUST RESPOND TO WHAT MICHAEL SAID FOR ONE SECOND, WHICH IS THAT THE CASE ON LYING GETS STRONGER EVERY DAY. ON THE...
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| 01:24:40 |
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TOLD THAT THE LEVEES COULD BREAK
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| 01:24:43 |
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AND HE SAID, I THINK IT WAS ABC NEWS DID A VERY GOOD JOB ON, THEY SHOWED HIM, FOUR DAYS LATER SAYING, NOBODY COULD HAVE IMAGINED THIS. SO I THINK THE...
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| 01:25:29 |
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MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DO YOU THINK WOULD HAVE ATTENDED? ASSUMING THAT WE PAID FOR THEIR FLIGHTS UP HERE. >> VERY FEW, BUT WHAT'S THE POINT? >> MY POINT...
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| 01:26:00 |
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CERTAINLY A STRONG SUGGESTION THAT WE WERE LIED TO INTO WAR,
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| 01:26:05 |
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THAT HE HAS BROKEN THE LAW IN TERMS OF FISA, THAT WE HAVE BEEN TORTURING PEOPLE AGAINST OUR OWN FEDERAL STATUTES, AN THE GENEVA CONVENTION, ETC.,...
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| 01:26:42 |
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BUT THEY'RE GOING TO STOP BEING INTIMIDATED UNTIL WE MAKE THEM COME AROUND TO US. THE POINT IS THAT WE CAN ANALYZE THEM AS MUCH AS WE WANT. >> LET...
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| 01:27:18 |
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THIS TO FAIL. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I MEAN, LOOK. THIS GOES BACK TO A LITTLE BIT OF MY CIVIL RIGHTS BACKGROUND. BECAUSE AFTER I'VE EXPERIENCED ALL OF THE...
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| 01:27:34 |
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ROSA PARKS, WHO CAME TO DETROIT, AND MARTIN KING, WHO I THINK IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE
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| 01:27:40 |
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GREATEST AMERICANS OF
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| 01:27:42 |
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THE 20TH CENTURY, FACE IT, THEY WERE IN, WE WERE IN AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION. THE CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS CAME TO MARTIN KING AND SAID, PLEASE, WE HEAR YOU'RE...
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| 01:31:14 |
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JOHN MENTIONED THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. TURN 200 OR MORE YEARS OF HISTORY AROUND. WE STOPPED THE VIETNAM WAR, THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY SAID NO. THEY...
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| 01:32:09 |
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GET IMPEACHED. IT WAS ON APRIL 15 OF 1973. IT WAS ABOUT 8:00 IN THE EVENING. AND I HAD TOLD HIM THAT HE WAS
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| 01:32:25 |
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IN DEEP TROUBLE, I HAD PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED THAT I WAS UNWILLING TO LIE FOR ANYBODY IN THE ADMINISTRATION, AND I SAID, CONSEQUENCE COULD EASILY BE...
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| 01:34:49 |
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GET A BILL OF IMPEACHMENT OUT OF
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| 01:34:51 |
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THE HOUSE, PEOPLE LIKE CHUCK WIGGINS, ON THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, IT WAS HIS LAST SET OF DEFENDERS, WHEN HE HEARD THE TAPES, HE SAID, THEY'VE LIED TO...
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| 01:35:40 |
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WIRETAPPING, I THINK IF WE JUST SAY, IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT, FINE. BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO BE OUT THERE, ACTIVE ON EVERY ONE OF THESE ISSUES, WHICH ARE...
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| 01:36:13 |
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ON ALL SIDES? THIS IS GOING TO BE A
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| 01:36:19 |
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LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE. >> WHY DON'T WE START WITH OUR FIRST QUESTION OVER HERE SIR. >> CAN WISH EVERYBODY QUIET DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR
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| 01:36:31 |
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| 01:36:34 |
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IT. >> GIVEN THE COMMENTS OF OUR -- COMMENTS SO FAR, IT APPEARS THAT FOUR OF THE FIVE PANELISTS ARE OF THE BELIEF THAT AT LEAST
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| 01:36:43 |
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AN IMPEACHMENT CAMPAIGN SHOULD BEGIN IMMEDIATELY. I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THAT. I WAS
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| 01:36:48 |
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INVOLVED WITH THE ACLU IN THE NIXON IMPEACHMENT SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT TWO FACTORS. ONE,
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| 01:36:57 |
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THE TIMING, AND THEN SECOND, IS THE PANEL DISCUSSED THE SUCCESSOR. ON THE TIMING, THE SECOND TERM FOR NIXON IN THE FIFTH YEAR, IN THE SUMMER, IMPEACHMENT...
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| 01:37:46 |
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THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE
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| 01:37:48 |
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TIME FRAME FOR WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY, AND SECOND, FORD REPLACED NIXON, AND IF CHENEY REPLACES
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| 01:37:57 |
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BUSH, ARE WE IN WORSE SHAPE? >> I'LL ANSWER ON THE TIMING, WHETHER YOU WIN THIS OR NOT, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY FUTURE OF A REPUBLIC IN THIS COUNTRY,...
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| 01:38:07 |
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ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT IT'S DONE, PERIOD. >> WELL, THAT'S THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD TO AGREE TO. BUT LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE
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| 01:38:21 |
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BENEFITS OF HAVING VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY GO TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES. IT'S NOT QUITE AS BAD AS YOU MIGHT THINK. AS A MATTER OF FACT,
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| 01:38:34 |
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IT'LL BE SO BAD THAT EVERYBODY, WE'LL HAVE A BIPARTISAN EFFORT THEN TO CHANGE THAT. BUT SECONDLY ON THE TIME FRAME, SIR, WE ARE NOT, IF WE WERE...
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| 01:40:05 |
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VERY HARD TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THINKING THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE SOMETHING ILLEGAL AND WARRANTING IMPEACHING AND SEPARATE THOSE FEEL FRGS I
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| 01:40:15 |
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JUST DISLIKE THE GUY. MOST OF US, I THINK, AGREE HE'S A JERK. THE PROBLEM IS -- >> WE NEED A QUESTION. THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE. >> IT'S THE NEXT SENTENCE....
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| 01:40:41 |
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FOR SUSPENDING HABEAS CORPUS? >> TAKE THE
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| 01:40:44 |
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VIOLATION THOFFS FISA ACT. LINCOLN WHEN HE VIOLATED THE HABEAS CORPUS ACT WENT TO CONGRESc AND SAIc HERE'S WHY I DID IT, HERE'S WHAT I DID. THE PRESIDENT...
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| 01:41:05 |
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A CO-EQUAL BRANCH, AS FAR AS JOHNSON AND THE GULF OF TONKIN, NOT ALL THE FACTS EVEN TODAY ARE ALL OUT ON THAT, SO IT'S NOT QUITE CLEAR WHAT DID HAPPEN,...
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| 01:41:58 |
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EXAGGERATION AND
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| 01:41:59 |
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MANIPULATION, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I DON'T HEAR THE WORD LIE. BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT'S A
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| 01:42:04 |
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LIAR. AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, -- >>
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| 01:42:10 |
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I SAID LIE. MAYBE YOU WEREN'T LISTENING. >> AND MICHAEL DID TOO. >> WHAT'S THE SECOND QUESTION. >> THE SECOND THING IS THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU...
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| 01:42:31 |
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IMPEACHMENT
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| 01:42:33 |
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THING. >> ONE QUESTION
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| 01:42:35 |
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PER QUESTIONER. >> OR TWO, THAT'S
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| 01:42:38 |
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IT, YOU'RE OUT. DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO RESPOND TO THE FIRST QUESTION, WHICH I GUESS IS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION, ARE YOU RELUCTANT TO CALL BUSH A LIAR? IS...
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| 01:42:56 |
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JOKING. >> OK. LET'S
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| 01:42:58 |
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GO, OVER HERE. >> I HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS WHICH IS THERE IS A GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT TO IMPEACH GEORGE BUSH, I HAPPEN TO RUN IT IT'S AT
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| 01:43:09 |
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ITCH PEOPLEPAC DOIRKFUL
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| 01:43:11 |
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WE'VE RAISED $60,000 FOR PROIMPEACHMENT CANDIDATES BUT WE CAN'T GET CANDIDATES
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| 01:43:17 |
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OTHER THAN CHRIS OWENS IN BROOKLYN AND ONE MANY
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| 01:43:20 |
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MICHIGAN TO ENDORSE IMPEACHMENT. THERE ARE NO INCUMBENTS. MR. CONYERS, WHY WILL YOU NOT ENDORSE THE IMPEACHMENT OF GEORGE BUSH SO THAT WE CAN ENDORSE...
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| 01:43:55 |
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TO INQUIRE INTO THE FACTS OF THE MATTER TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN IMPEACHMENT. DO I NEED TO SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME TONIGHT? THAT'S PRECISELY...
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| 01:45:08 |
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THE PANEL ASSUME THAT IT'S THE JOB OF BUSH AND CHENEY
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| 01:45:12 |
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TO DEFEND AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED
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| 01:45:15 |
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STATES, WHEN THEY
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| 01:45:16 |
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HAVE THEIR OWN CONSTITUTION, THE PROJECT OF THE
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| 01:45:19 |
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NEW AMERICAN CENTURY, AND
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| 01:45:22 |
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THAT BY RUMSFELD AND CHENEY'S SIGNATURE, IS THAT NOT
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| 01:45:27 |
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BY ITSELF AN ACT OF TREASON? >> WELL IT MAY BE, DO YOU MIND IF WE HAVE A HEARING ON IT BEFORE WE DECIDE IT TONIGHT HERE AT THE TOWN HALL? I AGREE WITH...
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| 01:45:51 |
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MY BROTHER. >> I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO REMEMBER IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IMPEACHING A PRESIDENT FOR ATTACKING AND TAINTING THE SYSTEM OF AMERICAN...
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| 01:46:12 |
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A GREAT IDEA FOR GROUND RULES. IF YOU WOULD JUST DIRECT ONE QUESTION TO ONE PANELIST, MAYBE WE COULD GET MORE QUESTIONS IN. >> GO AHEAD SIR. >> HI, THIS...
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| 01:46:31 |
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IN BRINGING
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| 01:46:32 |
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ABOUT AN IMPEACHMENT? YOU WERE THE ONE WHO BEGAN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING NIXON DOWN. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT IF YOU HADN'T PLEADED GUILTY TO
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| 01:46:41 |
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A FELONY. IN OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. IT
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SEEMS TO ME, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PANELISTS THINK, THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL LEWIS LIBBY IS CONVICTED OF A FELONY AND DECIDES...
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| 01:47:18 |
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THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO TALK =UQJEN AND Gc THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT'S NOT A PROCESS I RECOMMEND ANYBODY TO GO THROUGH, BUT IT IS ALSO VERY HELPFUL. ...
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| 01:49:09 |
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AND LIMB, THAT
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| 01:49:12 |
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LOOKING TO FEARS OF BEING CALLED -- >>
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| 01:49:15 |
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MAN, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION. >> HOW DO WE CHALLENGE THE RATIONALIZATION? >>
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| 01:49:22 |
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YES, MA'AM. I GET THE DRIFT. THERE ARE TWO WAYS WE CAN PROCEED FROM THIS TOWN HALL MEETING TONIGHT. ONE, WE CAN GO BACK TO
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| 01:49:37 |
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THE 435 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THAT
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| 01:49:39 |
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CONSTITUTE THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND SAY, WE
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| 01:49:42 |
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HAVE HAD A DEBT -- BRILLIANT SET UP PANELISTS THAT HAVE ADVISED US THAT WHAT WE MUST DO NOW IS FOR GET ABOUT THE PARLIAMENT -- THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCESS...
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| 01:51:33 |
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MANY OF OUR LEADERS HAVE FELT. >> PLEASE, A QUESTION. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. >> THREE OF YOU SIGN -- >> SOME OF
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| 01:51:47 |
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YOU -- WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS FIGHT IS
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| 01:51:50 |
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GOING TO BE LIKE? THERE ARE MANY OF US WHO WANT TO MAKE THIS FIGHT AND STOP THIS REGIME. >>
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| 01:51:57 |
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THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE FIGHT GOING TO
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| 01:52:02 |
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BE LIKE? >> IT IS GOING TO BE TOUGH. THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS ARE CRUCIAL. WE HAVE
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| 01:52:08 |
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TO CHANGE THE CONGRESS. WE ALSO HAVE TO START EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY OF IMPEACHMENT AND THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT'S ACTIONS CONSTITUTE...
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HERE, ON THE LEFT. >> I HAVE
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| 01:52:24 |
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A QUESTION THAT IS BASED ON EVIDENCE, WHICH IS CLEARLY INDICATING CRIMINALITY -- STILL IN THE ELECTIONS, PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THE 9/11 ATTACKS, AND DELIVERED...
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| 01:52:41 |
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PUT THIS QUESTION TO
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| 01:52:45 |
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YOU, WILLING TO EXPOSE THAT EVIDENCE IF IT IS CREDIBLE? THE SECOND THING, ARE YOU WILLING TO DISCUSS THE ALTERNATIVE THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE IT THEY ARE...
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| 01:53:33 |
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EXTREMELY UGLY. THE ADMINISTRATION IS NOT INTERESTED IN LIBERTY.
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| 01:53:36 |
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THEY'RE ONLY INTERESTED IN POWER. IT MIGHT COME TO THAT. AND I THINK THIS IS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE FRIGHTENED, AND THIS IS WHAT WASHINGTON WAS TALKING...
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| 01:54:36 |
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THIS STRENGTHENED THE MECHANISM OF IMPEACHMENT? THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> IT WOULD BE HARDER TO GET THAT THROUGH THAT IMPEACHMENT. HE WOULD PROBABLY...
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| 01:55:08 |
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NEUTRALIZE THE SMOKE AND MIRRORS OF THE EXTREME MEANS FOR EXTREME TIMES. ? THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS NOT REALLY BEEN ADDRESSED. >> DO YOU WANT TO POSE...
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| 01:55:28 |
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HOW DO WE BRING THIS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TELL THEM THAT BUSH IS DOING THIS -- HE IS CREATING EXTREME MEASURES BECAUSE OF THESE EXTREME -- TERRORISM...
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| 01:55:44 |
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THAT IMPEACHMENT WOULD BE THE PROPER CLAUSE OR COURSE? >>
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| 01:55:47 |
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I THINK THEY HAVE ALL ANSWERED THAT QUESTION IN NUMEROUS WAYS. THIS PANEL DISCUSSION IN AND OF ITSELF IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. CAN WE GET ONE...
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| 01:56:09 |
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CREATING THE TERRORIST CRISIS IN AMERICA AS THEIR REASON FOR DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING. >> TO INVADE IRAQ, THEY SAID WE NEEDED A PEARL HARBOR.
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| 01:56:23 |
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9/11 WAS THAT FOR THEM. THEY USED THAT AND MANIPULATED THAT. THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY FROM LISTENING TO EVERYBODY IS THAT IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT PEOPLE...
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| 01:56:40 |
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ACTIVE AND INTO THE STREETS. I DO NOT WANT TO SAY WHAT LEWIS IS SAYING, BECAUSE I AM NOT SURE EXACTLY, BUT YOU ARE ON TO HAVE TO BE MOVING INTO AN AREA...
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| 01:57:33 |
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YIELD YOUR TIME TO QUESTIONS. [INAUDIBLE] THAT IS A LEGAL QUESTION. >> THAT IS A CONGRESSIONAL QUESTION. CONGRESSMAN MCGOVERN HAS A BILL AND INTRODUCE...
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| 01:58:11 |
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THAT IS A PIECE OF LEGISLATION, OF WHICH I AM A PROUD MEMBER. >> I THINK EVERYONE ON THIS PANEL WISHES IT WAS THAT EASY. LOUIS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO USE...
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| 01:58:40 |
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WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY -- HAVING LOOKED AT ALL OF THE IMPEACHMENT'S GOING BACK TO
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| 01:58:47 |
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JOHNSON, WHEN HE REALLY DID I GET HIS DEFENSE IN ORDER UNTIL HE KNEW WHAT THE CHARGES WERE. THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH CLINTON.
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| 01:58:59 |
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HE DID NOT EVEN DEFINE HIS TEAM -- >> SO THEY'RE NOT TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY? >> NO. >> ONE THING YOU CAN DO MINIMALLY IS GO TO THE SENATE'S WEBSITE. THERE...
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| 01:59:27 |
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EVER YOU HAVE TO DO.
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| 01:59:28 |
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WITH EVERYBODY WHO IS OUT THERE, FOLLOW THEM
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| 01:59:32 |
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AROUND, MAKE YOUR POINTS. WHETHER IT IS ON IMPEACHMENT, WORK, TORTURE -- BE IN FRONT OF THEM. TELL THEM WHAT HE HAS DONE. >> TO PEOPLE HAVE YIELDED THEIR...
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| 02:00:05 |
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WITH NIXON, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE CASE WITH
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| 02:00:11 |
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REAGAN, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ABOLISHING THE PRESIDENCY ALTOGETHER? -- WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE PRESIDENCY BEING ABOLISHED? >> I THINK IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL...
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| 02:00:42 |
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ME? >> YES. >> I HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION. THE CONGRESSMAN HAS A FANTASTIC WEB SITE WITH A LOT OF CHARTS. THEY'RE ALL IN PD F FORMAT. A LOT PEOPLE
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| 02:00:58 |
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WOULD LIKE TO JUST PASTE THEM SO THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE THEM EVERYWHERE ELSE.
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| 02:01:02 |
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I
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| 02:01:03 |
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WAS WONDERING IF YOU SAW AN ADVANTAGE
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| 02:01:05 |
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TO THAT AND WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT. >> WE HAVE THE STAFF HERE THAT WILL TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ON THE...
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| 02:01:30 |
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HERE -- IS ANYONE HERE DOUBTING THAT IMPEACHMENT WILL BE THE LEAST OF THE PROBLEMS OF GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY WHO THAT THEY WILL NOT BE SUBJECT...
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| 02:02:14 |
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| 02:02:17 |
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SO, IT APPLIES TO EVERY U.S. NATIONAL. THINK ABOUT THAT. SO, SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FEW WORRIES WHEN THEY LEAVE OFFICE. >> I THINK THAT IS A...
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COMING UP ON C-SPAN, THE
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.