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ON. OUR SPEAKERS THIS EVENING ARE MORELEY SAFER WHO PROBABLY NEEDS LISTEN TRO DUCKS THAN ALMOST ANYBODY. HE'S BEEN A CORRESPONDENT ON "60 MINUTES"...
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| 00:02:32 |
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SOMETHING THAT MARK DANNER DOES HAVE A NEW BOOK COMING OUT CALLED "THE SECRET WAY TO WAR" AND BOTH PHILIP AND MARK AND MORALLY HAVE WON NUMEROUS...
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| 00:03:59 |
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REPORTER PUBLISH ANYTHING WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE SOURCES. HIMSELF. PERHAPS NOT HAVING ACCESS TO THE SOURCES, BUT AT LEAST BEING AWARE OF WHO THE SOURCES...
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| 00:04:41 |
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SORRY. I WOULD
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| 00:04:43 |
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HATE TO HAVE, TO SAY A BLANKET NO, WE SHOULD NEVER REVEAL SECRETS TO AUTHORITIES, TO COURTS, BECAUSE EACH OF US COULD COME UP WITH A PRETTY INTERESTING...
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| 00:05:23 |
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| 00:05:24 |
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ARE. AND GENERALLY I THINK WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON VERY SENSITIVE STORIES, THERE USUALLY IS AN EDITOR IN POSITION TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND IN...
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| 00:08:31 |
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CLEAN-CUT THING. AND THE PROFESSION WOULDN'T WORK OTHERWISE. AND THAT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH. WITH COURTS IT IS MORE COMPLICATED. I THINK MARK DESCRIBED IT...
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| 00:12:51 |
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TIMES" SHE WOULDN'T LEVEL WITH THEM. AND STILL HAS NOT. AND FOR A REPORTER TO TELL HER EDITOR THAT SHE, AND THE COURTS BY THE WAY, THAT SHE DOESN'T...
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| 00:13:28 |
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ADD ONE THING IF I CAN. I THINK A POINT WE SHOULD MAKE HERE IS THAT
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| 00:13:32 |
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THE PRIVILEGE OF THE PRESS CAN BE USED AS A WEAPON, WHICH VERY MUCH OVERLAPS WITH THIS CASE. THIS CASE IS REALLY ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT USING LEAKS TO...
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| 00:13:48 |
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AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOST TROUBLING PARTS ABOUT, OR ASPECTS OF THIS CASE, IS THAT IN EFFECT THE REPORTER INVOLVED AND THE LEAKER WHOSE IDENTITY WE...
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| 00:15:55 |
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COME PETIVENESS IDEALY OCCURS BETWEEN NEWS ORGANIZATIONS, EACH SEEKING TO BEAT THE OTHER TWOUN THE STORY, AND IN SOME SENSE THAT COMPETITIVENESS CAN SERVE...
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| 00:18:19 |
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SPENT BY OUR GOVERNMENT TO KEEP THE SECRETS. 4,000 EMPLOYEES MAKE CLASSIFICATION DECISIONS. IN ADDITION TO ANOTHER 3 MILLION CONTRACTORS, INDEPENDENT...
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| 00:19:47 |
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EARLIER, I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT STRENGTHS OF THIS COUNTRY IS THE FRAGILITY OF THE SECRET, THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO MAY NOT REVEAL...
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| 00:21:45 |
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AS MORLEY SAFER IMPLIES IS THEIR DISCIPLINE IN KEEPING THEIR PEOPLE FROM TALKING. WHICH MEANS PUNISHING LEAKERS. IT MEANS FINDING OUT THE PEOPLE WHO...
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| 00:28:02 |
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SECRECY, THE COMPLAINT IS WITH POWER, IT'S THE ABUSE OF POWER. BECAUSE YOU REALLY CAN'T HAVE
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| 00:28:07 |
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POWER WITHOUT SOME SECRECY. YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH WITHOUT SECRECY. MOST NOVELISTS HAVE AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER COME UP WITH THE VERSION OF THE...
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| 00:33:04 |
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STORY. BUT AS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001, THERE'S
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| 00:33:11 |
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NO QUESTION WE WENT INTO HIDING.
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| 00:33:14 |
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AND IT WAS YES SIR TO EVERYTHING PRESIDENT SAID, WE DID N C13 THE PRESIDENT SAID, WE DID NOT QUESTION ANYTHING AND NEITHER DID THE OPPOSITION. >> IF...
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| 00:33:47 |
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PLOTTING. AND WE LED THE
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| 00:33:51 |
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MIACULPA IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" SOMETIME AFTER. I THINK WE DID LET THE COUNTRY DOWN TO STUM EXTENT UNDERSTANDABLE AFTER THE DREADFUL SHOCK OF SEPTEMBER...
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| 00:36:20 |
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VERY DIFFICULT POSITION WHICH IS THEY'RE A PARTY THAT THE COUNTRY TRADITIONALLY AT LEAST IN THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO DOESN'T TRUST VERY MUCH ON NATIONAL...
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| 00:40:33 |
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I HAVE BEEN DRAWN TO STORIES WHERE THE PRESS JUST ISN'T, OR THEY ARE VERY THIN ON THE GROUND. OVERLOOKED STORIES AND AFTERMATH STORIES. FOR ME, COVERING...
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| 00:43:35 |
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BUT ALSO ON SOME OF THE NBC NETWORKS, AS WELL. THERE ARE TOO MANY HOLES FOR THESE GUYS WERE THEY CAN CLAIM THEY COME CLEAN BUT THEY IN FACT HAVE NOT....
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| 00:44:18 |
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I AM AFRAID WE ARE PART OF THEM. >> EXCEPT CHARITABLE DONATIONS. >> I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT AND ASK, ALL OVER THE INTERNET THERE HAVE BEEN STORIES...
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| 00:44:40 |
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NIGER DOCUMENTS, THE IRANIAN DOCUMENTS, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO RUN BEFORE THE ELECTION
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| 00:44:45 |
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LAST YEAR AND WAS CANCELED? WHAT IS GOING ON THERE? >>
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| 00:44:49 |
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THAT IS A STORY MORE COMPLICATED AND YOU JUST DESCRIBED. TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, I DO NOT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS STARTED...
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| 00:45:14 |
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MEMO. THAT I THINK ORIGINALLY WAS MEANT TO HAVE GONE ON TO THE BROADCAST OR ONTO A SPECIAL HOUR OF THAT BROADCAST. IT WAS BY THEN MORTALLY WOUNDED, AS...
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| 00:46:49 |
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THAT IS A POLICY THAT HAS SLIPPED SOMEWHAT SINCE BILL BAILEY. WE ARE NOW PART OF CORPORATE JOURNALISM. A MAJOR CORPORATION THAT WE JOINED AND HAVE BEEN...
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| 00:47:48 |
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DO NOT SEE THE LOWER HALF. IT IS UP TO PEOPLE SUCH AS THESE TO INVESTIGATE THE LOWER HALF. WHAT ARE SOME OF THESE STORIES TODAY THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT...
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| 00:49:43 |
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BUSH'S NATIONAL GUARD CAREER -- THAT STORY WAS TOLD. THE PUBLIC EXPLANATION WAS IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE TO RUN IT BEFORE THE ELECTION. MY SENSE OF IT IS...
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| 00:57:49 |
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OF EXPOSING TORTURE IS THE SHAME THOSE INVOLVED. IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THOSE INVOLVED ACTUALLY WANT TO LEGALIZE IT AND ARE UNAPOLOGETIC -- WHAT HAPPENS...
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| 01:01:36 |
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF IS OUT THERE THAT THE KIND OF PHYSICAL TORTURE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS PRETTY MUCH -- IT DOES NOT WORK. THE VICTIM OF TORTURE GENERALLY...
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| 01:02:42 |
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THIS DOES GET BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL PRESS. WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY THAT IS FRIGHTENED, THAT IS RALLYING AROUND PRESIDENT, IT HAS...
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| 01:03:07 |
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IS WORRIED ABOUT ITS OWN POPULARITY -- I GUESS WORKABILITY IS THE WORD. WE HAVE A PRESS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT IS ESSENTIALLY DEPENDS ON PEOPLE TUNE...
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| 01:05:29 |
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I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE MATTER OF THE IMPORTANCE OF SOURCES OR BEAKERS IN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING. WHAT BROUGHT TO MY MIND IS THE WORK OF STONE, WHO...
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| 01:05:55 |
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PUBLIC SOURCES OF INFORMATION LIKE THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD AND THE FEDERAL BUDGET, AND HAD NO ACCESS OR DID NOT WANT ANY TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. >>...
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| 01:06:31 |
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IS BLOGGING, WHAT HE DID. THERE ARE A LOT OF BLOGGERS TO DO THIS, THROW UP DOCUMENTS ONLINE. JUST AS MARK SAID, MANY OF THE STORIES THAT MATTER OR IN...
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| 01:06:54 |
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EXPOS THAT I HAVE. THEY SAY IT EXTRAORDINARILY REVEALING THINGS. OFTEN THEY THINK THEY ARE TELLING THEIR STORY TO THEIR BENEFIT. NEVERTHELESS THEY'RE...
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| 01:07:59 |
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NOT LOOK AT. I WAS CLINCHED A LITTLE WHEN I HEAR THE PHRASE INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER BECAUSE IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE REDUNDANT. BEING A REPORTER IS SUPPOSEDLY...
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| 01:08:51 |
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PERSONALLY, FROM SOLDIERS, AND LISTED MEN AND SENIOR OFFICERS, WHO FELT THEY HAD NO ONE ELSE TO GO TO. CERTAINLY THE LAST PLACE THEY WANTED TO GO TO WAS...
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| 01:09:05 |
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COMMAND BECAUSE IT GENERALLY HAD BEEN THERE. I MEAN, YOU OBVIOUSLY CANNOT TAKE WHAT THEY SAY -- YOU HAVE TO GET -- YOU HAVE TO THEN GO AND SEE FOR YOURSELF....
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| 01:11:03 |
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BE OUT IN THE STREETS SAYING, WHAT KIND OF CIVILIZATION IS THIS THAT EVEN ALLOWS THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION? LET ME HEAR A LITTLE BIT FROM YOU. I WOULD...
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| 01:11:15 |
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ANGRY AND ANNOYED. >> CAN I ASK MY QUESTION QUICK? HELLO. MY QUESTION/COMMENT IS, IN YOUR TOPIC OF THIS EVENING, HIDDEN TRUTHS THAT CHALLENGED THE PAST...
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| 01:11:39 |
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OR ANYTHING HAS CHANGED THIS WORLD? IT ALL SEEMS PRETTY REPETITIVE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. MORLEY SAFER HAS IN THAT...
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| 01:12:08 |
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PHILIP HAS BROKEN A NUMBER OF STORIES ON RWANDA. PHILLIP, I STILL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORD ABOUT THE UN. I WOULD LIKE THE PANEL TO SAY, WHAT HAVE YOU...
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| 01:12:54 |
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FROM THE MILITARY'S POINT OF VIEW IT IS VERY POSITIVE. AND WALK THE WALK WITH THEM. IN VIETNAM, YOU COULD HITCH OR RIDE IN A HELICOPTER AND GO VIRTUALLY...
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| 01:15:10 |
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RWANDA THREE MONTHS BEFORE THE GENOCIDE.
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| 01:15:13 |
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HERE THE MILITARY FORCE IN RWANDA HAD TOLD HIM THIS WAS GOING ON IT HAD BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED BY THE U.N. HIERARCHY. HE WAS TOLD NOT TO TAKE ACTION...
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| 01:18:37 |
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IDENTIFYING A STORY THAT CHANGED THE WORLD. I DO NOT TRY TO DO THAT. I TRY TO TELL WHAT HAPPENED, WHICH ITSELF IS VERY OFTEN IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS A...
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| 01:20:17 |
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I DO NOT HEAR ANYTHING IN YOUR AGENDA OF SECRETS ANYTHING ABOUT -- WHEN I HEAR SPEAKERS OF THIS CALIBER, I SAY, WHAT AM I GOING TO DO ABOUT IT AS A PRIVATE...
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| 01:20:35 |
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STATES? I AM GOING TO VOTE. IF MY VOTE
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| 01:20:40 |
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IS SUBVERTED, AND IF THEY'RE EVEN GOING TO COUNT THE SLIPS OF PAPER AND HAVE A MONOPOLY ON IT, WHO IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT MY VOTE DOES COUNT? [APPLAUSE]...
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| 01:21:22 |
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IN 2000, THE REAL KIND OF SHOCK AND DISMAY AMONG DEMOCRATS OR PEOPLE WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR BUSH WAS THAT HE DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION FAIR AND SQUARE....
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| 01:21:39 |
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WAS A GENERAL SENSE THAT THIS WAS EVEN MORE UNIMAGINABLE, THAT HE HAD ACTUALLY AFTER THESE FOUR YEARS --
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| 01:21:46 |
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THERE WAS NOT A HUGE STORY THERE. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SHENANIGANS, BUT THE SHENANIGANS WERE NOT ON A SCALE THAT WERE DEFINING THE ELECTION TO A LOT OF...
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| 01:22:28 |
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TO, LIKE A BROADCAST LIKE "60 MINUTES," WHICH I THINK WE DO VERY WELL IS WHAT YOUR APPETITE, GIVE YOU A TASTE FOR THE LOOK AND FEEL AND SOUND OF THIS...
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| 01:24:03 |
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THE LADY IN THE FRONT ROW ASKED ABOUT CHANGING HISTORY.
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| 01:24:07 |
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THERE IS AN AUDIENCE LARGE ENOUGH OVER PERIOD OF DECADES THAT HAVE STAYED WITH THAT PROGRAM SO THAT IT CAN HAVE THE KIND OF IMPACT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT...
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| 01:24:50 |
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VIETNAM BECAUSE WE WERE EXPERIENCED LIVING IN A TROPICAL COUNTRY.
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| 01:24:54 |
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WE VISITED VIETNAM IN 1964. IT WAS CLEAR TO US WE WERE ON THE WRONG SIDE, IT WAS THE WRONG WAR AT THE WRONG TIME. WHEN WE
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| 01:25:04 |
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CAME BACK TO NEW YORK, THERE WAS
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| 01:25:07 |
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A MAJOR PROTEST. YOU TALKED ABOUT WHY AREN'T THERE PROTESTS. THEY HAPPENED IN PLAIN SIGHT. I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WALKING IN PROTEST, SO I STOOD ON THE...
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| 01:25:54 |
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| 01:25:56 |
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IN TERMS OF PROTEST, WE DO NOT HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. ONE MORE STATEMENT. BEFORE THE RECENT FOUR -- THERE WAS A VOTE TAKEN, OUR TWO CENTERS...
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| 01:26:42 |
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BECAUSE WHEN YOU SPEAK OF ABU GHRAIB, WHO CONNECTED THE DOTS? YOU CONNECT THE DOTS, RIGHT? IT IS HAPPEN BEFORE.
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| 01:26:51 |
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THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN EXPORTING TORTURE FOR A LONG TIME. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT BECAUSE HISTORY IS SYSTEMATICALLY FORGOTTEN IN THE UNITED...
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| 01:27:52 |
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PRESS COVERAGE IS NOT UNIQUE TO AMERICA. IF YOU WANT TO SEE WORSE, GO ALMOST ANYWHERE ON EARTH. THAT IS NOT A DEFENSE OF ALL THAT IS WRONG, BUT IT IS...
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| 01:28:02 |
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TO USE AMERICA AS A STRENGTHENING ADJECTIVE TO MAKE THESE THINGS SOUND UNIQUE IS
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| 01:28:08 |
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JUST MISLEADING. IT DISGUSTS ME AFTER A WHILE BECAUSE I HAVE COVERED OTHER COUNTRIES. THERE IS NO INVESTIGATIVE YOUR JOURNALISM IN EUROPE. -- THERE...
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| 01:29:21 |
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AFFAIRS IN THIS COUNTRY. I THINK THAT IS DISTINCTIVE. IT IS NOT TO SAY ALL OTHER COUNTRIES
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| 01:29:26 |
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ARE DIFFERENT. IT IS TO SAY -- I THINK THERE IS MORE INTEREST IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS AMONG EUROPEAN NEWSPAPER READERS, FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, BY THE WAY. I...
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| 01:31:00 |
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THERE AND NO ONE IS FOLLOWING THAT. THE FACT THAT OHIO
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| 01:31:05 |
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WAS FALSIFIED AS FAR AS ALL OF THE ELECTRONIC VOTING. WE HAVE LOST OUR DEMOCRACY UNTIL WE FIX THESE MACHINES. THERE IS A RUMOR GOING AROUND THAT JOHN...
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| 01:31:48 |
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THIS TIME, WE WERE AT A POSITION WHERE THE LOCAL NEWSPAPERS HAD ON THE FRONT PAGES,
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| 01:31:57 |
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WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE, OSAMA BIN LADEN. I HAVE NOT MENTIONED -- I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT NAME MENTIONED TONIGHT. I HAVE NOT HEARD IT SINCE PERHAPS FOUR YEARS...
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| 01:32:42 |
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LESS THE PRESS WRITES ABOUT IT. HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD QUARREL WITH THE NOTION THAT HE IS NOT IN THE
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| 01:32:48 |
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PRESS AT ALL, YOU DO NOT READ ANYTHING ABOUT HIM. TO THE GENTLE MAN WHO TALKED ABOUT THE VOTING MACHINES, I AGREE WITH YOU. I HEARD THE RECOUNT IN FLORIDA...
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| 01:33:43 |
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IT WAS
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| 01:33:46 |
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NOT TRUE BEFORE THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN. PEOPLE DID GET IN AND GET INTERVIEWS WITH HIM BEFORE HIGH -- BEFORE HE WENT INTO HIDING. THERE IS A STORY WHICH...
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