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OK. I GUESS THAT MEANS THAT MY TIE IS A HIT WITH YOU ALL, IS THAT RIGHT? THANK YOU, MY FRIENDS. I THINK IT WOULD BE SAFE TO SAY THAT MOST AMERICANS...
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HEARD OF HIM. GOVERNOR DEAN IS A FOUNDER
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AND HONORARY CHAIR OF DEMOCRACY FOR AMERICA, A POLITICAL
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ACTION COMMITTEE DEDICATED
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TO USING ITS RESOURCES TO SUPPORT SUSTAINABLE AND SOCIALLY PROGRESSIVE AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE CANDIDATES AT EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT. DEMOCRACY FOR...
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| 00:09:53 |
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HOWARD,
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| 00:09:55 |
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GREAT TO BE WITH YOU HERE IN SAN FRANCISCO. REALLY TWO ADDITIONAL REASONS WHY I'M PLEASED TO BE SPEAKING HERE THIS AFTERNOON. FIRST THIS IS FIRST TIME...
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| 00:25:50 |
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THAT MIKE DUKAKIS WAS A CARD CARRYING MEMBER AND THE NUMBER DOUBLED IN FEW WICKS BUT THE FIRST TIME WAS YOU SUED ME FOR PRIMP OVERCROWDING
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| 00:26:01 |
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IN COLORADO. AND MY APPROACH TO THE ACLU EVER SINCE HAS BEEN THAT THIS IS AN ORGANIZATION I FREQUENTLY DISAGREE WITH AND AN ORGANIZATION WHICH IS THE...
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| 00:39:12 |
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ACLU MIDSTREAM. BUT I WANT TO SHOW YOU THAT THE ACLU IS IN FACT THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ALLY AND FOE OF BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ALIKE BECAUSE...
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| 00:41:12 |
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ACT. WE CANNOT MAKE THE PATRIOT ACT THE BOEING MY --
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| 00:41:17 |
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BOGEYMAN OF ALL CIVILLYITY. AND IT IS TRUE THAT WE HAVE TO DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF ALL AMERICANS IT IS NOT IMPORTANT THAT WE PUT EVERYTHING IN THE PATRIOT...
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| 00:45:23 |
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CRIME. THEY HAVE NOT HAD THAT ABILITY, UNTIL THE PATRIOT ACT PASSED, TO ALLOW YOU TO PUT A ROVING WIRETAP ON AN INTERNATIONAL TERROR SUSPECT. THE REASON...
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| 00:48:48 |
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ENGAGES IN TERRORISM. IT HAS TO BEING
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| 00:48:50 |
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AN ALIEN. SECOND, WITHIN SEVEN DAYS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEEK A COURT HEARING AS TO WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO BE HELD. IT IS A NARROW FINDING THAT...
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| 00:49:53 |
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ACT. LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I MEAN. TO SAY THAT, WELL, THE IDEA OF LOCKING UP AMERICANS WITHOUT TELLING THEM WHAT THEY ARE CHARGED WITH OR LETTING THEM...
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| 00:51:54 |
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ME, I AM A LITTLE BIASED. IF YOU THINK THAT EVERYTHING IN THE PATRIOT ACT WAS REASONABLE WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IT WAS PASSED IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT AND...
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| 00:52:09 |
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DEBATE IN CONGRESS? WHY DID THAT HAPPEN? >> WELL, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR ASSERTION THAT IT WAS PASSED IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT. IT WAS...
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| 00:52:37 |
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I THINK THAT IT WAS PASSED IN A CONSIDERED FRAMEWORK AND I ACTUALLY KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT. I KNOW IT ALMOST SECTION BY SECTION. AND I THINK IT IS A VERY,...
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| 00:52:53 |
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PROTECTING ITSELF. NOW, I KNOW SOME OF YOU DON'T AGREE AND I RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I THINK THAT BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH IT, IT'S NOT...
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| 00:53:48 |
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ACT THAT WOULDN'T HAVE DONE
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| 00:53:49 |
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SO IF THEY UNDERSTOOD THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS. AND THE REASON THEY DID SO WAS IN THE HEAT OF AN EXTRAORDINARY EMOTIONAL EVENT THEY WERE WILLING TO...
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| 00:56:18 |
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A VERY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO DEFEND AND PROTECT, I ENJOY -- [NOISE FROM THE YOU CROWD [SNFLT >> I ENJOY THE SPIRIT OF OPEN DISCUSSION THAT I'M ABLE...
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| 00:56:49 |
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CHALLENGE, PRESIDENT BUSH IS ENGAGED IN A VERY SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO PROTECT THIS COUNTRY UNDER VERY CHALLENGING CIRCUMSTANCES. GO AHEAD. >> LET ME...
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| 00:57:20 |
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NEXT QUESTION. I WILL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT, WHICH IS MORE ON FACTS. THAT REMIND OURSELVES THAT THE PATRIOT ACT WAS ENACTED 45 DAYS AFTER THE TERRORIST...
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| 00:57:38 |
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THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING AND YOU SEE QUITE A DIFFERENT CHANGE IN THE LEVEL OF CONSIDERATION, DEBATE AND ENGAGEMENT OF IDEAS. AND THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS...
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| 00:59:14 |
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YEARS AFTER THE PASSAGE OF THE PATRIOT ACT, NONE OF ITS
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| 00:59:18 |
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SUBSTANTIAL PROVISIONS HAVE BEEN FOUND UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IN FACT, I'M PREPARED AGAIN TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THIS SPECIFIC PARTS OF IT. BECAUSE I DO...
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| 00:59:30 |
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HOWARD SAYS THERE ARE LARGE PARTS OF IT, -- HE OPENED THE DEBATE THIS AFTERNOON BY SAYING THIS ARE LARGE PARTS OF IT THAT HE AGREES WITH. SO, LET'S DEFINE...
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| 01:00:05 |
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BE A DEBATOR. I'M JUST GOING TO BE A
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| 01:00:08 |
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MODERATOR. DID CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION? >> I NEED TO MAKE A BRIEF PREFACING REMARK BEFORE I ASK THE QUESTION. I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE MANY...
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| 01:00:25 |
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AGAINST VIETNAM MOVEMENT AND THE WOMEN'S MOVEMENT WHO ENDED UP FINDING OUT THAT THEY HAD LONG VOLUMINOUS VOLUMES ON
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| 01:00:33 |
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FILE WHEN THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT WAS PASSED AND THEY NEVER KNEW THAT THEY WERE UNDER SURVEILLANCE. SO, WHAT YOU TELL ME THAT YOU HAVE IN WRITING...
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| 01:02:01 |
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IMI'M A MEMBER OF AN ORGANIZATION CALLED FOOD NOT BOMBS WHICH IS CONSIDERED BY THE PENTAGON, THIS IS MAINLY ABOUT HIS DEFINITION HE GAVE OF DOMESTIC...
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| 01:02:15 |
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IF NOT THE LARGEST IN THE UNITED STATES AND WE FEED HOMELESS PEOPLE. SO, HOW EXACTLY DOES THAT FIT UNDER THAT DEFINITION IF YOU COULD PLEASE EXPLAIN?...
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| 01:02:46 |
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BEING RUDE. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GENETIC ME THE MOST ABOUT 9/11 WAS THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED,
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| 01:02:53 |
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NOT WITH ELABORATE LEGAL STRUCTURES BUT WITH A LITTLE COMMON SENSE. WE USED TO HAVE SKY MARSHALS. WE DISCONTINUED THEM. WE HAD WARNINGS TO THE AIRLINES...
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| 01:03:53 |
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THAT. >> THE SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF
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| 01:03:57 |
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PROVIDING MATERIAL SUPPORT TO TERRORISM WAS STRUCK DOWN BY THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT IN LOS ANGELES. WILL YOU CONCEDE THAT? >> BUT IT HAS NOT...
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| 01:04:09 |
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WAS STRUCK DOWN. DO YOU CONCEDE THAT? >> WELL, I DO CONCEDE THAT. >> THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS -- >> STEVE, WHY DID YOU MAKE
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| 01:04:16 |
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YOUR POINT. >> YOU HAVE TWICE SAID THAT 11 JUDGES CONSIDER SEARCH WARRANTS UNDER 2 11. WILL YOU CONCEDE THAT ONLY ONE JUDGE
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| 01:04:26 |
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CONSIDERS THOSE? WILL YOU CONCEDE? >>
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| 01:04:29 |
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NO, I SAID UNDER 215, THE
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| 01:04:31 |
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LIBRARY ACT. >>
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| 01:04:33 |
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YES, 215, ONE JUDGE DECIDES IT, NOT 11. >>
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| 01:04:36 |
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BUT THE WHOLE COURT IS INVOLVED WITH THAT
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| 01:04:39 |
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DECISION. IF THERE IS OBJECTION IT THAT ONE JUDGE. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. >> THANK YOU, STEVE. >> THE LAST QUESTION IS, YOU NEVER TOLD THE AUDIENCE...
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| 01:04:50 |
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STANDARD. IT IS NOT PROBABLE CAUSE AND
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| 01:04:54 |
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THE JUDGE SHALL GRANT THE WARRANT
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| 01:04:56 |
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IF THE DOCUMENTS ARE SHOWN TO BE SOUGHT, NOT PROBABLE CAUSE.
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| 01:05:02 |
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DO YOU CONCEDE THAT? >> STEVE, I WILL BE
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| 01:05:04 |
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GLAD IT TALK
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| 01:05:05 |
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TO BUT IT AND THAT IS AS YOU KNOW THE FOURTH AMENDMENT HAS ALWAYS HAD A DIFFERENT STANDARD WHEN YOU HAVE A BUSINESS RECORD. DO YOU CONCEDE THAT? >>...
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| 01:05:24 |
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LIBRARY RECORDS WERE STRONGER THAN PROBABLE CAUSE. A PARTICULARIZED SHOWING WAS REQUIRED. WILL YOU CONCEDE THAT? >> NO, I WILL NOT CONCEDE VIRTUALLY...
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| 01:05:36 |
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THIS POINT. >> CAN AWAY CONCEDE ONE
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| 01:05:38 |
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THING? WE HAVE A NUMBER OF POINTS ON THE FLOOR AND GOVERNOR DEAN WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLEASE EXPAND TO ANY OF THE POINTS IN FRONT OF
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| 01:05:45 |
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YOU? HOW DO WE KNOW THE EXTENT OF SURVEILLANCE? WHAT ABOUT THE FOOD NOT BOMBS ISSUE. ANY OF COMMON SENSE MEASURES THAT YOU WOULD SUGGEST THAT WOULD...
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| 01:05:54 |
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CIVIL LIBERTIES AND PROMOTE NATIONAL SECURITY? WHAT ABOUT
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| 01:05:58 |
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THE COURT ISSUES? >> THIS IS WORSE THAN BEING ON THE TIM RUSSERT SHOW. FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE PENTAGON CLASSIFICATION ANY TERRORIST...
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| 01:06:24 |
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CUTS FOR BIG CORPORATIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN SAFETY IS INVEST IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT TAKES TO PUT MISSILES, SHOULDER FIRED MISSILE DEFLECTORS...
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| 01:08:02 |
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AFTER SEPTEMBER 11. HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 100% PERFECT. AND IN THIS KISS I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS ORGANIZATION OR ANYBODY REALLY AROUND THE COUNTRY WAS CALLING...
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| 01:10:07 |
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MUCH. AND I TRULY HOPE THIS IS NOT OUR LAST DISCUSSION ON THESE ISSUE. I HAVE AN HONEST TO GOD QUESTION. AND I DON'T OFTEN IN MY FIELD. BUT I REALLY...
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| 01:11:23 |
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WOULD LIKE AGREE WITH THE WOMAN WHO JUST
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| 01:11:25 |
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SPOKE THAT A LITTLE COMMON COURTESY WOULD BE A GOOD THING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE DEBATED IN FRONT OF A ROOM WITH OPPOSITE VIEWS. I HAVE....
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| 01:11:36 |
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IN THE TABET I DO WE DEAL WITH
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| 01:11:38 |
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THE CHILL FACTOR WHICH IS THAT IF PEOPLE'S RECORDS ARE CONSISTENTLY UNDER THE THREAT
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| 01:11:43 |
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OF GOVERNMENT REVIEW THEY WILL STOP REVEALING INFORMATION PARTICULARLY IN THE MEDICAL FIELD THAT CAN BE HELPFUL IN TREATMENT. MY QUESTION IS AIMED PRIMARILY...
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| 01:12:23 |
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CONNECTIONS THROUGH THE CARLISLE GROUP TO SOME PERSIAN GULF PRINCES AND SOME OF THEM HAVE ALLEGEDLY SUBSIDIZED TERRORISM FROMTHROUGH M ARCH DRA S'S THAT...
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| 01:12:37 |
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SOME OF THE LEADERS OF THOSE MAD RASSES MIGHT HAVE SEPTEMBER MONEY TO TERRORIST GROUPS. >> THE FOURTH QUESTION. >> THIS QUESTION IS PRIMARILY FOR --...
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| 01:13:23 |
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THE IMMIGRANTS IN THIS
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| 01:13:25 |
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COUNTRY. AND THAT IS AND THAT IS, THE GREATEST THINGS ABOUT THIS COUNTRY ARE SUCH THINGS AS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND THE CIVIL LIBERTIES THAT...
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| 01:14:27 |
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RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CARLISLE DEPRUPE THE FOURTH QUESTION AROUND WHETHER OR NOT WE ERODE OUR BEST VALUES, SOME OF THE GREATEST PROTECTIONS IN CIVIL...
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| 01:15:04 |
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NOW, THE FLORIDA CHAPTER OF THE ACLU. I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE PROBABLY MEMBERS OF THAT CHAPTER, HAS GONE TO COURT TO SUGGEST THAT A DRIVER'S LICENSE ISSUED...
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| 01:17:58 |
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WOULD YOU GO AS FAR AS DOING
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| 01:18:00 |
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THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. THIS IS AN HONEST QUESTION. TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF D.N.A. TESTING -- >> I UNDERSTOOD....
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| 01:18:21 |
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II, PROPOSALS THAT WEREN'T ENACTED, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE ADMINISTRATION'S
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| 01:18:29 |
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PROPOSAL TO SUSPEND HABEAS CORPUS OR TO ALLOW D.N.A.
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| 01:18:35 |
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TESTING AT THE SOLE DISCRETION OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL? >> I'M NOT PREPARED TO ASSUME YOUR CHARACTERIZATION OF THAT ASSERTION IS CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW...
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| 01:19:00 |
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LINE, EVERYBODY. >> LET ME SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE CHILL FACTOR. THAT IS A PROBLEM. I HAVE CONSISTENTLY STOOD UP AGAINST
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| 01:19:08 |
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EFFORTS SUCH AS THE EFFORTS OF THE RIGHT
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| 01:19:11 |
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WING TO OBTAIN PRIVATE MEDICAL RECORDS FROM INSTITUTIONS LIKE PLANNED PARENTHOOD. I HAVE STOOD UP AGAINST GAG RULE THE GOVERNMENT
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| 01:19:21 |
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OF THE UNITED
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| 01:19:23 |
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STATES OF AMERICA PURPORTS TO TELL DOCTORS WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT TELL THEIR PATIENTS. I OBJECT TO MEDICAL EVIDENCE BEING SUBJECTED TO A DRAGNET. THERE...
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| 01:21:37 |
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ANY CIVIL LIBERTIES IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, TO -- IN EXCHANGE FOR MORE SECURITY YET YOU ALSO SAID THAT
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| 01:21:45 |
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WE ALL HAVE TO SACRIFICE CERTAIN CIVIL LIBERTIES IN ORDER TO BE SECURE. YOU SEE, YOU'VE TAKEN BOTH POSITIONS. >> NO. I SAID -- >> LET ME JUST FINISH...
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| 01:22:15 |
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THE PATRIOT ACT SO MANY OF ITS PROVISIONS ARE ABOUT
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| 01:22:19 |
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KEEPING THINGS HIDDEN FROM THE AMERICAN
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| 01:22:21 |
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| 01:22:22 |
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PEOPLE AND
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| 01:22:23 |
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FROM PEOPLE FOR
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| 01:22:24 |
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WHOM INFORMATION IS BEING COLLECTED. I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT LEVEL OF SECRECY IN A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. >> OK, THANK YOU. >> DAVID,...
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| 01:22:53 |
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| 01:22:54 |
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JUDGES. WHEREAS THE -- WHEREBY THE
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| 01:22:56 |
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F.B.I. BY ACTIONS OF A SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE CAN ISSUE LETTERS REQUIRING THE PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS FLAND IS NO PROCESS UNLIKE A GRAND GRAND JURY...
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| 01:23:58 |
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PROVISION AND, IN FACT, ATTORNEY GENERAL
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| 01:24:02 |
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ASHCROFT BOASTED IT APPLIES TO YOUR GENETIC RECORDS. DO YOU AGREE IT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS IN THAT YOU CANNOT QUARTERBACK...
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| 01:25:25 |
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PULLED OUT OF HIS HOLE ON TELEVISION ON CNN FOR 48 HOURS THE CONGRESS PASSED ADDITIONAL OF
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| 01:25:32 |
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THE PATRIOT ACT THAT ALLOWED SECURITY LETTERS TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF FINANCIAL INSTITUTION SO THAT RECORDS COULD BE TAKEN FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES,...
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| 01:26:10 |
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IT TAKES GUTS TO COME BEFORE AN ORGANIZATION WHICH CLEARLY DOESN'T SUPPORT MOST OF WHAT HE SAYS, ALTHOUGH I WOULDN'T FEEL TOO
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| 01:26:18 |
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BAD ABOUT THE HISSING BECAUSE I THINK IF I WENT TO THE N.R.A. I MIGHT RECEIVE A SIMILAR RECEPTION. LET ME JUST MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS. THE NATIONAL SECURITY...
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| 01:30:28 |
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DEAR WITH ALSO GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY TO PROTECT US, OUR FAMILIES, OUR CHILDREN, THIS COUNTRY THAT WE ALL LOVE. AND THAT'S REALLY THE...
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| 01:34:39 |
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SURE SOME OF YOU MIGHT THINK I HAVE HAD A HARD TIME NOT THROWING MYSELF INTO THE FRAY. I JUST KNOW EXACTLY THAT I'M EXACTLY WHERE I NEED TO BE, A ...
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