I do.

Mr. Chairman

Mr. Chairman, Senator Thurmond, members of the

committee, my name is Anita F. Hill, and I am a professor of law

at the University of Oklahoma.

I...

Thank you.

I graduated from the university with academic honors and proceeded

to the Yale Law School, where I received my J.D. degree in

Upon...

Well, actually my family members have not arrived

yet. Yes, they have. They are outside the door, they were not here

for my statement.

It is a very large family, Senator.

I would like to introduce, first of all, my father, Albert

Hill.

My mother, Erma Hill.

My mother is going to be celebrating her 80th birthday

on the 16th.

My sister, my eldest sister, Elreatha Lee is here; my

sister Jo Ann Fennell, my sister Coleen Gilcrist, my sister Joyce

Baird.

My brother, Ray Hill.

I would also—I am sorry.

I would also like to introduce my counsel at this time.

Mr. Gardner, Ms. Susan Roth, and Mr. Charles Ogeltree.

Yes, I am.

I went to primary, elementary and secondary school in

Okmulge County, and Morris High School, Morris Jr. High and

Erim Grade School in reverse...

I worked at the firm of Wald, Harkrader & Ross.

That is a Washington, DC, law firm.

Through the interviewing process. The first interview

took place at Yale Law School. I was interviewed for that job. I

don't remember the...

Well, a number of individuals. I worked with a number

of different attorneys on different projects.

Yes.

Well, since I worked there for only 1 year, I was a

fairly new associate, most of my work was basically what was

available and when I had...

It was never

I was interested in seeking other employment. It was

never suggested to me at the firm that I should leave the law firm

in any way.

At the time, I was 24 years old.

Well, I left the law firm because I wanted to pursue

other practice, in other practice other than basically the commercial

practice, civil...

I spoke only with Clarence Thomas about the possibility

of working at the

I was introduced to him by a mutual friend.

Yes, and his name is Gilbert Hardy. He was a member

of the firm for which I worked, Wald, Harkrader & Ross.

I told him only that I was interested in pursuing something

other than private practice.

I certainly considered it. I considered the fact that

there was talk about abolishing the office. I considered all of those

things, but...

Pardon me?

I viewed it as a good job, yes.

My duties were really special projects and special research.

A lot of the special projects involved commenting on Office

for Civil Rights...

I reported only to Judge Thomas.

Yes.

Attorney adviser.

We interacted regularly.

I would attend some meetings, but not all of the meetings

that he attended.

Well, it could—I am not sure there was any such thing

as a routine work day. Some days I would go in, I might be asked

to respond to letters...

His office was set up down the hall from mine. Inside

his set of offices, there was a desk for his secretary and then his

office was behind...

Well, my understanding of—I did not have much

notice that Judge Thomas was moving over to the EEOC. My understanding

from him at that time...

Well, there were two reasons, really. One, I was a special

assistant of a political appointee, and, therefore, I assumed and

I was told...

I recall that when the appointment at the EEOC

became firm, that I was called into his office, and I believe Diane

Holt was there, too,...

Diane Holt was his secretary at Education. We were

there and he made the announcement about the appointment and

assured us that we could...

Well, my duties were really varied, because it was a

much larger organization, there were so many more functions of

the organization, my...

NO, no. We were much busier. We were all much

busier and the work that we did was work that did not necessarily

require as much interaction....

At the EEOC, initially, Clarence Thomas was my immediate

supervisor. After a period, Allyson Duncan was appointed

to be the Director of...

I don't recall.

That's right. Occasionally, at the staff meeting assignments

would be given out, but that was held only 1 day a week, so

during the rest...

NO, she reported directly to him, as I understand.

I understood that Judge Thomas prepared the performance

evaluations.

Not to my knowledge.

Judge Thomas.

NO; not for that office.

Yes.

Actually, most of the work that we did, unlike at Education,

most of the work was responding to internal memos, instead

of responding to...

Some occurred in his office, some comments were made

in mine. Most often they were in his office.

Yes, it did.

Let me clarify that. If you are including a luncheon

during the workday to be at work, yes.

Yes.

Well, I remember two occasions these incidents occurred

at lunch in the cafeteria

The

Well, when the incidents occurred in the cafeteria, we

were not alone. There were other people in the cafeteria, but because

the way the...

Well, I recall specifically that the incident about the

Coke can occurred in his office at the EEOC.

The incident with regard to the Coke can, that statement?

The incident involved his going to his desk, getting up

from a worktable, going to his desk, looking at this can and saying,

"Who put pubic...

NO.

I don't recall.

I recall at least one instance in his office at the EEOC

where he discussed some pornographic material and he brought up

the substance or...

This was a reference to an individual who had a very

large penis and he used the name that he had referred to in the

pornographic material

Yes; I do. The name that was referred to was Long

John Silver.

Very often, I went in to report on memos that I had

written. I'm sure that's why I was in the office. What happened

generally was that I...

AS I recall, it either happened at lunch or it happened

in his office when he said to me, very casually, "y°u are to go out

with me some...

YOU ought to.

That was the extent of that incident. At that incident,

I declined and at that incident I think he may have said something

about, you know,...

Well, my reaction at that time was a little surprised,

because I had not indicated to him in any way that I was interested

in dating him....

The pressure to go out with him I felt embarrassed

about because I had given him an explanation, that I thought it

was not good for me,...

I think the one that was the most embarrassing was

this discussion of pornography involving women with large breasts

and engaged in a variety...

I really cannot quote him verbatim. I can remember

something like, you really ought to see these films that I have seen

or this material...

NO.

Well, coupled with the pressures about going out with

him, I felt that implicit in this discussion about sex was the offer to

have sex with...

Yes. They were very ugly. They were very dirty. They

were disgusting.

The reference to his own physical attributes was repeated

more than once, yes.

He was much more graphic.

Well, I can tell you that he compared his penis size, he

measured his penis in terms of length, those kinds of comments.

Senator, in paragraph 2 on page 2 of the report it says

that he liked to discuss specific sex acts and frequency of sex. And

I am not sure...

The very last line in paragraph 2 of page 2.

I am not saying that that information was included in

that. I don't know that it was. I don't believe that I even mentioned

the latter information...

NO, he did not ask me to have sex. He did continually

pressure me to go out with him, continually, and he would not

accept my explanation...

Yes, yes.

I do not recall. I guess—did I say that? I don't understand

who said what in that quotation.

I don't recall any story about pressing, using this to

press anyone.

I think that I was told that my statement would be

shown to Judge Thomas, and I agreed to that.

There was—no, not that I recall. I don't recall anything

being said about him being pressed to resign.

I understand.

The only thing that I can think of, and if you will

check, there were a lot of phone conversations. We were discussing

this matter very...

There might have been, but that wasn't—I don't remember

this specific kind of comment about "quietly and behind

the scenes" pressing him...

NO, no. I don't recall that at all, no.

There might have been some conversation about what

could possibly occur.

Well, I can't really tell you any more than what I have

said. I discussed what the alternatives were, what might happen

with this affidavit...

And I have done that, Senator, and I don't recall that

comment. I do recall that there might have been some suggestion

that if the FBI did...

May I just add this one thing?

The nature of that kind of conversation that you are

talking about is very different from the nature of the conversation

that I recall....

Well, Senator, I would suggest to you that for me these

are more than mere allegations, so that if that comment were

made—these are the...

OK.

I don't recall a specific statement, and I cannot say

whether that comment would have stuck in my mind. I really

cannot say that.

OK. Thank you.

Well, it was a very trying and difficult decision for me

not to say anything further. I can only say that when I made the

decision to just...