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LONG, ACCORDING TO ME, INSTEAD OF SPEAKING ABOUT THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, WHICH IS AN AMERICAN PHRASE WHICH I AM GOING TO GO INTO IN A MOMENT,
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WHICH, UPON EXAMINATION, MEANS NOTHING AT ALL -- LET US PRETEND I STAND BEFORE YOU AS A WITNESS AND LET US PRETEND THAT EVERYONE WITHIN MY VOICE IN THE...
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CLASSROOM WITH BALDWIN FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER, DAVID LEEMING. WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT WHERE JAMES BALDWIN FITS IN IN AMERICAN HISTORY IN THIS...
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FIRE NEXT TIME," THAT WE, MEANING AFRICAN-AMERICANS CAN'T BE FREE UNTIL THEY ARE. AND IT SEEMS TO ME THE WHOLE QUESTION OF WHAT HE MEANS BY "FREE" IS...
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OUT. >> WE SHOULD EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY WE ARE IN THE BRONX. LET'S DO SOME BASIC FACTS ABOUT JAMES BALDWIN. WHEN AND WHERE WAS HE BORN? >> HE WAS BORN...
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HE HAD A LIFE IN HARLEM UNTIL HE WAS 14, OR SO, AND CONTINUED TO HAVE A LIFE IN HARLEM, BUT EVERY DAY, HE COMMUTED FROM GRADE
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9-12 TO THE DEWITT CLINTON HIGH SCHOOL IN THE BRONX. IT WAS A SCHOOL THAT GIFTED
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CHILDREN COULD APPLY TO IN THOSE DAYS. IT WAS A
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SCHOOL THAT WAS AN ALL-BOYS' SCHOOL. MANY OF THE NEW YORK SCHOOLS WERE SINGLE-GENDER SCHOOLS AT THAT TIME. IT WAS A PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOL POPULATED MAINLY...
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SHE TOOK YOUNG JIMMY BALDWIN UNDER HER WING AND SAW EARLY ON IN HER DRAMA CLASS
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THAT HE HAD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TALENT EVEN FOR A CHILD. AND SHE ENCOURAGED HIM AND THEN LATER ON IN JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, HE WAS ENCOURAGED BY COUNTEE...
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I SAY SO-CALLED BECAUSE BALDWIN REFERS TO IT AS THE SECOND
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SLAVE
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REBELLION. I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY THAT HE WAS MOST INFLUENTIAL AS FAR AS THE LITERARY
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AND SOCIAL AND POLITICAL WORLD IS CONCERNED, FROM ABOUT 1961 UNTIL ABOUT 1966 1966. THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. >> LET'S HELP YOU AND REMIND US A LITTLE BIT...
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A FEW STATISTICS. THE FIRST IS TO GET A SENSE OF THE SIZE OF THE COUNTRY. THERE WERE 178 MILLION AMERICANS, 18 MILLION OF WHOM WERE BLACK. AND MEDIAN...
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INTERNATIONAL LANDSCAPE, IF YOU WILL. AND SO, THE UNITED STATES HAD TO SUPPORT SOME POLICIES, SO AS NOT TO BE AN EMBARRASSMENT IN A WORLD WHERE YOU HAVE...
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| 00:09:18 |
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BOOK I READ IN 1973 AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR GUESTS, BOTH THE BIOGRAPHER AND
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| 00:09:24 |
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HISTORIAN FEEL MR. BALDWIN HAS TO SAY TO US TODAY, BECAUSE I REGULARLY FEEL, I APPLY, I CAN APPLY HIS ANALYSIS TO EVENTS NOW, WHETHER IT BE SHOOTINGS...
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| 00:10:06 |
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HAD TO BE FREED OF OUR BAD MYTHS. WE HAD
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TO BE FREED OF OUR TENDENCY TO ENSLAVE EACH OTHER OFBY THOSE MYTHS. WE HAD TO GET OUT OF THE REALM OF THE HALLMARK CARD SENTIMENT LITY OF. THAT WE NEED...
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| 00:11:09 |
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BOTH AMERICAN DEMDEMOCRACY AND
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HUMANITY. AS LONG AS YOU SEE YOURSELF AS WHITE, YOU WILL ALWAYS SEE THE REST OF THE WORLD AS SUBORDINATE TO YOU. PART OF THAT IS TRYING TO ELIMINATE...
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WELCOME. >> Caller: MY NAME IS GUY DARDEN DARDEN. I'M TRYING TO WRITE A BOOK. I THINK JAMES BALDWIN WAS RIGHT ON THE MONEY BECAUSE YOU KNOW,
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| 00:12:03 |
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NOT TO ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTION IS ONE OF THE MOST DEFEATING
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THINGS WE CAN DO. I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I REALIZE, ME AS A PARENT, I HANDICAP MYSELF AND THE WAY I HANDICAP MYSELF, I ALLOW MY CHILDREN TO SEE ME DOING...
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FATHER CAN'T FEED HIS FAMILY, IF A FATHER ISN'T ALLOWED THE POSSIBILITIES OF THE SO-CALLED AMERICAN DREAM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THAT FATHER TO CONVINCE...
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CHILDREN OF THE VALIDITY OF THAT DREAM. >> I WANT TO PICK UP ON FATHERS. WE ARE TALKING ON FATHERS' DAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT. IN ALL OF THE BOOKS ABOUT...
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ESPECIALLY AT THAT TIME. IT'S LITTLE DIFFERENT NOW, I MEAN A SINGLE MOTHER ISN'T IN THE SAME POSITION THAT A SINGLE MOTHER WAS IN THEN. AND BALDWIN WAS,...
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| 00:14:44 |
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THINK THIS DID AFFECT WHO HE WAS. LATER ON, HE COULD SEE HIMSELF AS A BASTARD OF THE WEST, BY WHICH HE MEANT THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN CONDITION. IN OTHER...
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| 00:15:22 |
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LISTEN TO THIS 1979 SPEECH AT U.C. BERKELEY. THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM, JUST TO GET A SENSE OF HOW HE SOUNDED LATER ON IN HIS CAREER. THIS IS BALDWIN TALKING...
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| 00:16:01 |
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I HAVE PROVEN MYSELF CIVILIZED IN EVERY WAY I CAN. BUT THERE IS DIFFICULTY. SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK. WELL, I DECIDED, I DECIDED I MIGHT AS WELL ACT LIKE...
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| 00:17:02 |
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SAY. WHAT A GENIUS IN DEED AND WHAT A REALIST. HE'S
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KEPT IT REAL. THAT'S BASICALLY IT. >> THANKS.
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THANK YOU VERY
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MUCH. AND LET'S MOVE ON TO
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OUR NEXT
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CALL FROM
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HAWAII. WELCOME TO OUR CONVERSATION. >> Caller: OH, YES. I'M A WRITER, MYSELF. I WRITE PLAYS AND TWO OF MY INFLUENCES ARE MARY VERAKA FROM THE ANGER SIDE...
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| 00:17:28 |
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SO MUCH INSIGHT. BUT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT ONE THING AND IT'S LIKE A PERSONAL QUESTION, REALLY, BECAUSE I AM AN AMATEUR
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HISTORIAN, AS WELL. WHAT WAS THE PARTICULAR REASONS WHY HE NEVER RETURNED TO AMERICA AMERICA? I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU. ...
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| 00:18:04 |
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DID NOT LEAVE AMERICA. HE LEFT AMERICA, I MEAN HE LEFT AMERICA FOR BRIEF PERIODS OF
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| 00:18:10 |
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TIME OR FOR LARGE PERIODS OF TIME, BUT NEVER WITH THE IDEA THAT HE WAS AN EXPATRIATE, EVEN FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, HE WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER AFRICAN-AMERICANS...
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| 00:19:16 |
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IN ISTANBUL ARE LIKE. AND I WENT INTO THE PARTY AND SOMEONE SAID GO INTO THE
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KITCHEN, JIMMY'S IN THERE. AND I WENT IN AND HE HERE WAS THIS MAN SITTING ON A STOOL WITH LOTS OF CIGARETTES AND LOTS OF BOTTLES AND ESPECIALLY A GLASS...
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| 00:20:18 |
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THEN WE BOTH
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| 00:20:19 |
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WENT ON OUR SEPARATE WAYS AND WE CONTINUED TO CORRESPOND AND THEN THE, AT THE END OF HIS LIFE, NEAR THE END OF HIS LIFE, I INTERVIEWED HIM SEVERAL...
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| 00:20:59 |
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WHEN I WAS STILL TEACHING, I WROTE AN
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EXTENSIVE PAPER, I HATE TO CALL IT ANALYSIS, ON SONY'S BLUES, TALKING ABOUT THE OPPOSITION OF STICKING TO THE MORAES OF A CORRUPT CULTURE. HE SAID...
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| 00:21:58 |
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PSYCHE OF BLACK AMERICA, IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE. BECAUSE BALDWIN
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| 00:22:02 |
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HAD AN ABILITY TO STEP OUTSIDE OF HIMSELF, TO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE LIKE MOHAMMAD OR THE NATION OF ISLAM OR A YOUNG BOY BEING BEATEN BY THE POLICE. HE...
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| 00:22:34 |
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JAMES BALDWIN.
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| 00:22:36 |
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HIS CONTEMPORARIES IN PARTICULAR. I WAS SURPRISED WHEN READING THE LETTERS OF ANNE SEXTON, THAT SHE DIDN'T THINK VERY HIGHLY OF HIM AND, IN FACT, BELIEVED...
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| 00:23:21 |
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MOUNTAIN" AND THE "NOTES OF A NATIVE SON" STAGE WHERE HE WAS SOMEHOW HOLDING WHITE
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| 00:23:25 |
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AUDIENCE'S HAND AS HE SHOWED THEM THROUGH THE BLACK WORLD, REVIEWERS BEGAN TO BE SCEPTICAL OF HIM. THAT IS, ONCE HE BEGAN TO BE WHAT THEY CONSIDERED TO...
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| 00:24:21 |
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NUTSHELL, THE KENNEDY ADMINISTRATION WAS VERY AMBIVALENT ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS. THEY DIDN'T PUT MUCH FORCE IN THE F.B.I. OR EVEN FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S...
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| 00:24:32 |
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PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS MARCHERS AND
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THEY TRIED TO WALK A FINE LINE BETWEEN MAINTAINING SOUTHERN SUPPORT IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND MAINTAINING
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| 00:24:41 |
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SOME SUPPORT ON A WORLD SCALE FOR DESEGREGATION. SO IT WAS A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION. JIMMY BALDWIN HAD IT RIGHT WHEN HE WAS VERY CRITICAL OF THE KENNEDY...
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| 00:25:18 |
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MUCH OF THAT WAS IN MOTION. BY THAT TIME,
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| 00:25:20 |
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THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WAS, I THINK, MAKING GREAT STRIDES IN COMPELLING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ACT AND TO SUPPORT THE DEMANDS, THERE'S DEMAND FOR...
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| 00:26:00 |
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FORGET, BUT THEY DON'T TALK MUCH ABOUT HIS FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES, BAY OF PIGS, AND THE FACT THAT THE
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| 00:26:07 |
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KENNEDY ADMINISTRATION WOULD SEEM TO DO MORE TO FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY IN CUBA THAN TO FIGHT FOR IT IN THE SOUTH. THE JOHNSON ADMINISTRATION, ON THE...
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| 00:27:09 |
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BALDWIN. NEXT CALL IS FROM ATLANTA. GO AHEAD. >> Caller: I WAS WONDERING IF MR. LEEMING COULD ISOLATE AND DEFINE FOR US WHAT, WHICH QUALITIES IN TERMS...
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HIS IDEAS SEEMED TO LOSE CURRENCY IN THE 1970'S AND 1980'S. WAS IT PERHAPS A FADE IN THE CRAFTSMANSHIP OF HIS WORK OR WAS IT JUST, WAS IT POLITICAL?...
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| 00:28:05 |
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RACISM ON THE RACIST.
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| 00:28:08 |
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IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY, BALDWIN WAS A GREAT PSYCHOLOGIST. BALDWIN HAD THE ABILITY TO GO INTO THE MINDS AND INTO THE POSITIONS OF THE PEOPLE...
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SEEING A THIRST
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FOR, IN TODAY'S HIP HOP/ALTERNATIVE CULTURE, I WAS WONDERING WHO ARE THE BALDWINS OF TODAY? >> ROBIN KELLEY, WILL YOU TAKE THAT SECOND QUESTION? >> THAT'S...
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| 00:30:51 |
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THERE ARE YOUNG WRITERS NOW, YOUNG THINKERS
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| 00:30:54 |
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AND ACTIVISTS WHO ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION, I MEAN, WHETHER THOSE WRITERS ARE PEOPLE LIKE TONI MORRISON FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE YOUNGER...
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CONCENTRATE, NO ORDER TO PUT HIS THOUGHTS
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| 00:32:01 |
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INTO ORDER. HE WAS THAT KIND OF PERSON. WHEN HE WAS HERE, HE WAS ALWAYS SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO WANTED ONE THING OR ANOTHER ANOTHER OR WHO WANTED HIM...
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| 00:32:44 |
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REALITY. THE FACT THAT LIFE IS TRAGIC. LIFE IS TRAGIC SIMPLY BECAUSE THE EARTH TURNS AND THE SUN RISES AND SETS AND ONE DAY, FOR EACH OF US, THE SUN...
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BACKGROUND. IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF HIS WRITING, A LOT OF HIS WRITING WAS SORT OF SHAPED BY HIS, BY THE STRUGGLE WITH RELIGION, CHRISTIANITY AND WHATNOT,...
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| 00:34:09 |
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WITH DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING AND HIS
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WHOLE TAKE ON SOUTHERN POLITICS AND THE LINES THAT WERE DRAWN BETWEEN PLAQUE REALITY IN THE NORTH AND BLACK REALITY IN THE SOUTH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH....
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| 00:34:42 |
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HORN. MOTHER HORN WAS FAMOUS BECAUSE SHE HAD PRAYED A POOL HALL OUT OF EXISTENCE THAT WAS NEXT DOOR TO HER CHURCH. ANYWAY, HE WENT THERE AND WAS
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| 00:34:51 |
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IMMEDIATELY IMPRESSED BY HER AND VERY SOON AFTER, HAD A SALVATION EXPERIENCE. WAS SAVED, AND BECAME AN APPREN, CE PREACHER AT THAT CHURCH AND OTHER CHURCHES...
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| 00:36:04 |
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IN THE SWORD OF SECRETARY CIVIL WAR, IF YOU WILL, AND I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ELEMENT IN THAT IT'S
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| 00:36:13 |
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THEOLOGICAL. AND I WANT TO COME BACK TO BALDWIN, BECAUSE I THINK BALDWIN WAS ALSO, IN HIS OWN SENSE, STRUGGLING WITH THEOLOGY. WITH DR. MARTIN LUTHER...
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| 00:37:09 |
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PRECISELY BECAUSE I THINK OF THE TRANSFORMATION OF COMMUNITIES IN THE SOUTH. THERE ARE THREE
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| 00:37:16 |
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PLACES WHERE IT CRUMBLES. ONE IN THE VOTING BOOTH, TWO, IN PUBLIC SPACES WHERE THEY TRIED TO, AND SUPREME SUCCEEDED IN DESEGREGATING PUBLIC SPACES AND...
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| 00:37:52 |
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DECEMBER 1, 1955, THE MONTGOMERY BUS BOYCOTT. IN 1960, STUDENTS PROTESTED SEGREGATED LUNCH COUNTERS IN NORTH CAROLINA. AND IN 1963, AMONG OTHER THINGS,...
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| 00:38:51 |
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COLOR OPTION COMING OUT OF THE CLOSET VERSUS TO MOVE INVISIBLELY THROUGH SOCIETY? >> DAVID LEEMING? >> THAT'S A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION, BUT I THINK THE...
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| 00:39:17 |
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THAT
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| 00:39:18 |
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YOU CAN'T BE BIASED IN ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES AND BE OPEN IN THE OTHER. THAT IS TO SAY, BIAS IS BIAS. AND IF YOU ARE DEFINING PEOPLE AND FEEDING THEM...
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| 00:40:00 |
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THANK YOU. IT'S AMAZING TO SEE
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THE SCHOOL SHOWCASED LIKE THIS. TO TOUCH ON THE LAST CALLER'S QUESTION ABOUT GAY IDENTITY AND BLACK IDENTITY, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A BIG PART OF BALDWIN'S...
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| 00:41:30 |
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HE SAID IT'S NOT, IT'S A NOVEL ABOUT THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR DENYING LOVE. AND HE SAID THAT YOU HAD TO CONSIDER WHAT HE -- WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT NOVEL...
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| 00:42:23 |
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SAME YEAR. AND WHEN HE STARTED, WHEN HE SPOKE THROUGH A MEDIUM, REMEMBER THAT "THE FIRE NEXT
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| 00:42:31 |
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TIME" WAS FIRST PUBLISHED IN "THE NEW YORKER," SO THAT HE REALLY GAINED A KIND OF NOTE NOTARITY BECAUSE OF THAT PUBLICATION IN THE WHITE WORLD, FOR...
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| 00:43:17 |
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WHERE DID THE TITLE "THE FIRE NEXT TIME" COME FROM? >> WELL,
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| 00:43:22 |
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YOU CAN READ THE VERY LAST WORDS OF THE BOOK. >> OK, I WILL LET YOU DO THAT. WHY DOESN'T YOU GET THAT READY AND I WILL LIST TON A CALL. >> Caller: GOOD...
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| 00:43:40 |
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TALKED ABOUT SPENDING HIS LAST
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| 00:43:42 |
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WEEKS AND DAY WAS MR. BALDWIN. I WONDERED,
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| 00:43:46 |
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WHAT WAS THE YEAR OF MR. BALDWIN'S DEATH, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER, AND WHEN MR. LEEMING SPENT THOSE
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| 00:43:52 |
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LAST FEW DAYS OR WEEKS WITH MR. BALDWIN AND OVER THE TIME THAT HE KNEW HIM, WHAT DID MR. BALDWIN SAY WOULD BE THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY AND HAS MR. LEEMING...
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| 00:44:29 |
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NOW, WE MAY BE ABLE TO RESIDENT THE RACIAL NIGHTMARE AND ACHIEVE OUR COUNTRY AND CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. IF WE DO NOT NOW DARE EVERYTHING, THE...
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| 00:45:13 |
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WITH THE BIOGRAPHY. DAVID SAID I HAD BETTER COME SOON. SO I DID. AND I THINK YOU ASKED WHAT HAPPENED DURING THOSE DAYS. WELL, BASICALLY, IT WAS WATCHING...
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| 00:46:27 |
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HE SAID HIS WAS
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| 00:46:29 |
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RELIGION AND HE USED IT IN THIS
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| 00:46:31 |
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CONTEXT. IN GIVING ADVICE TO HIS NEPHEW
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| 00:46:34 |
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IN "THE FIRE NEXT TIME," HE SAYS THAT
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| 00:46:36 |
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EVERY BLACK BOY REALIZES THAT EDUCATION IS NOT THE WAY OUT. OK? EVERY BLACK HAS TO FIND HIS GIMMICK AND FOR HIM, MEANING BALDWIN, HIS GIMMICK WAS RELIGION....
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| 00:47:37 |
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BLACK AMERICANS WERE RECEIVING
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| 00:47:38 |
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AT THE TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT DAVID LEEMING HAS TO SAY ABOUT THIS. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT DAVID LEEMING HAS TO SAY, BECAUSE I THINK...
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| 00:48:17 |
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EFFECT OF RACISM ON I HIM AND
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ALSO,
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| 00:48:21 |
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HIS, THE EFFECT OF HIS PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT SEXUALITY AND ABOUT SEXUALITY AS IT WAS DEVELOPING IN HIM AS A 14-YEAR-OLD. AS A 13-YEAR-OLD. AND HE FELT...
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| 00:50:09 |
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WEDNESDAY, I WOULD ENCOUNTER ONE COP TOO MANY. ONE WHITE CAT TOO MANY. AND ONE OF US WOULD DIE. MY FUTURE HERE WAS CLOSED. >> WHY DID YOU
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| 00:50:25 |
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COME HOME? >> OH, YOU ASKED ME WHY I LEFT HOME. >> YOU ARE A COMMUTER, THAT'S TRUE. YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE A COMPUTE MUTER. >> I WANTED TO SAVE MY LIFE...
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| 00:50:46 |
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CAT. I'M NOT
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| 00:50:49 |
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HEMINGWAY. I'M NOT
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STEIN. I'M JIMMY BALDWIN FROM HARLEM 1924 AND ALL THE
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| 00:50:56 |
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ROMANCE THAT A WHITE CAT CAN HAVE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY OR ABOUT EUROPE, I COULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT. I FINISHED MY FIRST BOOK AND I FINISHED IT. I CAME...
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| 00:51:38 |
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OPENLY GAY LEADER OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT AND THAT CAUSED SOME ISSUES ABOUT HIS PROMINENCE WHICH I GATHERED DR. KING
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| 00:51:48 |
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WEIGHED IN ON. I'M WONDERING IF BALDWIN'S ROLE WAS LIMB THEED BY THE FACT THAT PEOPLE KNEW HE WAS GAY? I WONDERED IF HE KNEW THEY -- WHAT HIS RELATIONSHIP...
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| 00:52:21 |
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SNICK. BUT IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MARTIN LUTHER KING AND THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON,
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| 00:52:25 |
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CERTAINLY THE HOMO SEXUALITY WAS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. THINK KING WAS A LITTLE BIT EMBARRASSED BY BALDWIN IN SOME WAYS. CERTAINLY A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS...
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| 00:53:10 |
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ENGAGE MASSIVE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE IN WASHINGTON WASHINGTON.
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| 00:53:15 |
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TAKE OVER LEGISLATIVE GALLERIES AND TO REALLY BRING THE SOUTHERN MOVEMENT TO THE NORTH IN SOME WAYS. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. BECAUSE I THINK DR....
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| 00:54:05 |
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BUS BOYCOTT. >> DR. LEEMING USED SNICK AND CORS. >> STUDENT NONVIOLENT COORDINATING COMMITMENT WHICH GREW OUT OF NASHVILLE AND GREENSBORO. NASHVILLE,...
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| 00:54:18 |
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IS CONGRESS OF RACIAL EQUALITY WHICH WHICH WAS AN OLDER ORGANIZATION FORMED IN THE 1940'S THAT GREW OUT OF THE FELLOWSHIP OF RECONCILIATION. BASICALLY...
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| 00:54:28 |
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OF
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| 00:54:31 |
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PACIFISTS WHO HAVE BEEN FIGHTING CIVIL RIGHTS STRUGGLES FROM SINCE THE 1940'S. >> LET'S LIST TON A CALL FROM MANHATTAN. >> Caller: THANK YOU. FIRST...
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| 00:54:57 |
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SEXUALITY OR RACE OR CLASS,
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Caller, -
WHATEVER THE CASE, AND I FIND THAT SO IMPORTANT TODAY AS I DEVELOP AS A PERSON IN MY MID 20'S. I WAS WONDERING, WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER SOME OF THE MYTHS...
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| 00:55:50 |
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WHITE SUE PEER OR
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| 00:55:52 |
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SUPERIORITY WHICH IS DESTRUCTIVE BOTH TO WHITE AMERICANS AND BLACK AMERICANS. THINK THAT MYTH STILL EXISTS. I DON'T THINK WHITE AMERICA HAS YET GIVEN...
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| 00:56:48 |
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TELEVISION, WHAT'S THE LAST THOUGHT YOU WANT TO LEAVE OUR AUDIENCE WITH ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF JAMES BALDWIN? >> WHY SHOULD HE BE STUDIED TODAY?...
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| 00:57:15 |
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JAMES BALDWIN WIDELY AVAILABLE TODAY FOR
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| 00:57:17 |
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PEOPLE? >> IN LIBRARIES. THERE'S SOME TALK OF IT BEING REPRINTED, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO GET RIGHT NOW. >> IT'S CALLED WHAT? >> "JAMES BALDWIN...
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| 00:57:34 |
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YOU TO THE NEXT GUEST. WE ARE AGAIN AT DEWITT CLINTON HIGH
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| 00:57:38 |
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SCHOOL AND IN ADDITION TO JAMES BALDWIN, LISTEN TO THE NAMES OF SOME OF THE STUDENTS WHO WENT TO SCHOOL HERE.
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| 00:57:45 |
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PATTY, MORTGAGE MERE
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| 00:57:49 |
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ADLER, BURT
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| 00:57:50 |
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LANCASTER, RALPH LAUREN, COUNTEE CULLEN, RICHARD RODGERS, THE COMPOSER, HENRY ROTH, DANIEL SHORE, NEIL SIMON, FILM MAKERS GARY MARSHAL AND GEORGE KOOKER....
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| 00:58:39 |
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ABILITY WAS FORMED HERE. >> MOST OF THE NAMES WERE ALL MALE. MANY OF THOSE NAMES ARE FROM JEWISH FAMILIES. WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH JAMES BALDWIN...
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| 00:59:02 |
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AN ENORMOUS ROLE IN BALDWIN'S OWN DEVELOPMENT AND HE STARTED READING. IN FACT, HE TALKS ABOUT IN ONE OF HIS ESSAYS, ABOUT HOW HE STARTED READING AND...
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| 00:59:15 |
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ABOUT THE BIBLE BECAUSE HE TOOK A MUCH MORE SCEPITY SCEPTICAL INTELLECTUAL APPROACH AND HIS STEP-FATHER SENSED THAT HE WAS CHAINING. THAT BECAME A SOURCE...
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| 00:59:46 |
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TIME, HISTORICALLY, IT WAS RICHARD WRIGHT AND THE SCHOOL OF WRITERS WHO WERE INFLUENCED BY HIM AND THEN AFTER THE WAR, RALPH
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| 00:59:55 |
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ELLISON EMERGED AND THEN BALDWIN EMERGES. WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT RALPH ELLISON, WHEN HE WAS DOMINANT DURING THE COLD WAR YEARS, WAS APOLITICAL AND...
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| 01:01:08 |
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OF RHETORIC. HE WAS THE COUNT ARE PART OF MARTIN
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| 01:01:13 |
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LUTHER KING. >> ROBIN KELLEY, THE HISTORIAN BASED AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY WILL BE WITH US FOR THE REST OF OUR PROGRAM AS IS ROBERT WASHINGTON WHOSE AREA...
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| 01:01:34 |
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A COMMENT DR. WASHINGTON MADE BUT IT'S DIRECTED TO DR. KELLEY. OUR PREVIOUS WRITER MADE A COMMENT ABOUT INTELLECT VERSUS IMAGINATION. AND I THINK A BIG...
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| 01:01:53 |
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ORDER FOR PROGRESS TO CONTINUE, THEY MUST REMAIN UNITED. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN DISCUSS BALDWIN'S WORK IN THE CONTEXT, HOW IT FIT WITHIN THE CONTEXT...
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| 01:02:30 |
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FUTURE RIGHT BEFORE HIM. I MEAN, THIS IS SUCH AN
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| 01:02:33 |
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EXCITING MOMENT WHEN AFRICA AND THE CARRIBEAN WERE ON THE VERGE OF INDEPENDENCE AND PART OF WHAT "THE FIRE NEXT TIME" TRYS TO DO IS IMAGINE A DIFFERENT...
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| 01:03:50 |
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FROM MY OWN PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW, WAS THAT AFTER MARTIN LUTHER KING HAD GOT'
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| 01:03:55 |
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ASSASSINATED, THE YOUNG BLACKS TURNED THEIR HOPE ON BOBBY KENNEDY. AFTER BOBBY KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE WAS A GREAT DISILLUSIONMENT...
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| 01:05:11 |
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TO
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| 01:05:12 |
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AWAKEN PEOPLE TO THE FACT THAT THE DOWN COUNTRY WAS FACING RACIAL VIOLENCE UNTIL REFORMS WERE MADE. I THINK THIS FOR BALDWIN PERSONALLY AS A WRITER VERY...
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| 01:05:58 |
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NEWBURG, NEW YORK. >> Caller: YES, WAYS LISTENING TO THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT THE INFLUENCE THAT JEWS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HAD ON JAMES BALDWIN'S...
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| 01:06:19 |
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WRITINGS WERE SO MUCH INFLUENCED BY JEWS AS OPPOSED TO THE INFLUENCES OF RACISM IN AMERICA? >> WELL, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TRACK THESE THINGS. I...
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| 01:06:47 |
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BEARDON, AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND GREAT ARTIST. I THINK THAT FOR BALDWIN, WHEN HE TRIED TO TRACK INFLUENCES, THE INFLUENCES DON'T END AT THE BEGINNING,...
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| 01:07:43 |
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SECONDLY, HOW DID PEOPLE TAKE TO HIS PHILOSOPHY
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| 01:07:46 |
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AND WHAT DO THEY THINK ABOUT HIM AND HOW DID HE RESPOND TO THAT? I REALIZE THAT HE WAS A GREATER MAN THAT HE WOULD WILL BE REMEMBERED GREATLY AND I...
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| 01:08:18 |
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HAD TREMENDOUS INFLUENCE ON NORTHERN AMERICAN WHITE AMERICAN LIBERALS. AFTER, HOWEVER,
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| 01:08:24 |
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THAT POINT, WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THAT SECTOR OF THE AMERICAN POLITICAL COMMUNITY REALLY WEAKENS AND BALDWIN BECOMES VERY ALEANATED FROM IT BECAUSE IN...
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| 01:09:08 |
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BALDWIN'S BOOKS AND
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| 01:09:09 |
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I JUST FELT THAT IT WAS, I FEEL IT'S SO APPLICABLE TO HIS LIFE AND HOW HE SPEAKS OF SUCCUMBING TO A PROPENSITY OF SELF-DESTRUCTIVE INSENSITIVITIES. AND...
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| 01:09:56 |
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CONVENIENTED AND THAT HE THOUGHT
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| 01:09:59 |
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CONSISTED DIDN'T EXIST IN AMERICA AND HE REFERRED TO IT AS A GREAT HOAX. I DON'T THINK HE PERSONALLY EVER LOST HIS RELIGIOUS SENSIBILITY. I DON'T, HOWEVER,...
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| 01:10:57 |
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VAST MACHINERY OF A SYSTEM OF EDUCATION IN THIS COUNTRY WHICH IS, AMONG OTHER THINGS, A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY. AND THE BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY IS...
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| 01:12:12 |
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PEOPLE FOR THE LABOR FORCE. HOW TO
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| 01:12:14 |
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PREPARE PEOPLE TO TAKE TESTS. WHEN HE SAYS THAT WE ARE A THREAT TO THAT MACHINERY, I THINK HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. >> SAN FRANCISCO NEXT IN THE JAMES...
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| 01:12:41 |
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RESOLVED THAT WITH HIS HOMO SEXUALITY
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| 01:12:43 |
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AND IF HE WAS EVER CONFLICTED ABOUT THAT. MY SECOND QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH JACK KEROUAC. I WATCHED LAST WEEK. IT WAS A GREAT PROGRAM. WHAT WAS BALDWIN'S...
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| 01:13:20 |
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DIDN'T GET INTO A KIND OF BOHEMIAN ICONICLISM THAT PEOPLE FOUND AMONG PEOPLE LIKE KEROUAC. AND I FORGOT THE OTHER ONE. >> THE OTHER ONE WAS RELIGION...
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| 01:13:50 |
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WRITE, A
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| 01:13:54 |
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TEACHER. MANY THINGS. WE TALKED ABOUT JACK KEROUAC. IF YOU READ BIOGRAPHIES OF HIM, A NUMBER OF THE OTHER WRITERS IN HADTHIS SERIES HAD AN INTERSECTION
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| 01:14:05 |
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INCLUDING HARRIET B ERK ECHER STOWE AND "UNG UNCLE TOM'S CABIN". >> I KNOW IT INFLUENCED HIM. >> I I WILL TELL YOU FROM DR. LEEMING'S BIOGRAPHY, HE READ...
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| 01:14:34 |
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AGAIN/OFF AGAIN COMPETITION. >>
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| 01:14:36 |
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I THINK HE RESPECTED LANGSTON HUGHES. THE KIND OF LANGUAGE THAT BALDWIN USES IS THE KIND OF PROSE IDENTIFIED WITH THE KING JAMES BIBLE. MUCH MORE MORE...
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| 01:14:58 |
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FAULKNER. >> YEAH, I THINK BALDWIN HAD LOTS OF PROBLEM WAS FAULKNER. I THINK HE LOTS OF PROBLEMS AND RESERVATIONS ABOUT FAULKNER, BECAUSE I THINK FAULKNER'S...
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| 01:15:15 |
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HE DIDN'T, IN FACT, I USED TO OFTEN HOPE THAT BALDWIN WOULD WRITE MORE LITERARY
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| 01:15:20 |
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CRITICISM BECAUSE HE WAS SUCH A WONDERFUL COMMENTATOR ON OTHER WRITERS. HE DIDN'T WRITE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT FAULKNER, BUT THE THINGS THAT HE DID WRITE...
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| 01:15:55 |
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CAPTURE THE LIFE EXPERIENCES
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| 01:15:58 |
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OF AMERICANS AND CREATE A CERTAIN POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. >> FOR OUR FINAL 45 MINUTES, ROBERT WASHINGTON AND I ARE GOING TO WALK INSUED THE LIBRARY...
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| 01:16:24 |
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AT WINSTON SALEM STATE UNIVERSITY IN THE 1970'S. I WAS IN SEMINARY DURING THE ATLANTA MURDERS. IOWAI I WANT TO SAY IF ANYBODY WANTS A
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| 01:16:36 |
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GOOD POSITION ON HOW JAMES BALDWIN THOUGHT ABOUT RELIGION, I THINK THEY SHOULD READ "JUST ABOVE MY HEAD". I BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD REFLECTION OF WHERE...
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| 01:18:25 |
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ONE ELSE'S. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE PROMISES OF AMERICA
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| 01:18:28 |
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IN THE SAME WAYS. THERE WILL BE NO MORAL APPEALS ON MY PART TO THIS COUNTRY'S MORAL CONSCIENCE. IT HAS NONE. THAT WAS 1972. >> NEXT CALL IS SAN FRANCISCO....
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| 01:18:59 |
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HIS SCRAPBOOK
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| 01:19:00 |
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AND NOT IN A BOOK SOMEWHERE. WONDERING IF THERE'S AN INTEREST IN A PHOTOGRAPH LIKE THAT. THE OTHER ISSUE I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ABOUT IS -- OBVIOUSLY J....
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| 01:20:10 |
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MAINSTREAM CELEBRITIES. AND
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| 01:20:12 |
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BALDWIN DEFINITELY WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS ON THEIR LIST. I THINK IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THAT FILE. >> DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO EVER LOOK...
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| 01:20:39 |
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PERIOD. I WANT TO PLAY ANOTHER CLIP. THIS ONE IS ONE,
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| 01:20:42 |
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AGAIN, FROM THE
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| 01:20:43 |
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BERKELEY SPEECH. JAMES BALDWIN IS TALKING ABOUT MALCOLM X. LET'S LISTEN IN. >> MALCOLM X AND I MET HIM YEARS AGO. WHEN MALCOLM WAS DOING A DEBATE WITH...
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| 01:21:12 |
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MALCOLM WAS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND ONE OF THE MOST GENTLE MEN I MET IN ALL MY LIFE. (APPLAUSE) HE ASKED THE BOY A QUESTION, WHICH I NOW PRESENT...
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| 01:22:35 |
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OF ISLAM'S ORIGINS GO BACK TO 1930'S, BUT IT REALLY CAME INTO BEING IN THE 1950'S. ESPECIALLY ONCE MALCOLM X JOINED THE NATION, BECAME THE MAJOR MINISTER....
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| 01:22:54 |
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OR THOUGHTFUL ESSAYS ABOUT THE NATION OF ISLAM EVEN BEFORE "THE FIRE NEXT TIME," AND I THINK THAT PROMPTED MUHAMMAD TO CALL HIM TO CHICAGO TO HAVE A...
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| 01:23:59 |
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OF ANTI-WHITE FEELING THAT WAS BUILDING IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. SO
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| 01:24:04 |
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THAT HIS ESSAY WAS REALLY RHETORICALLY DESIGNED AS A WAY OF SAYING TO WHITE AMERICA, IF YOU DON'T BEGIN TO ACCOMMODATE CHANGE, THAT THIS IS THE BLACK...
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| 01:24:38 |
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RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, AND TO EFFECTIVELY ERADICATE THE KINDS OF PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN INNER CITIES, I
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| 01:24:47 |
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THINK THAT BALDWIN WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE THE SAME THINGS TO SAY. NOWR, OF COURSE, THERE'S NO MOVEMENT AROUND THAT HE COULD TURN TO AS A POTENTIAL SORT...
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| 01:25:21 |
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AND MR. KELLEY. THIS IS A GREAT HONOR FOR ME BECAUSE I JUST FINISHED READING YOUR BOOK ACQUIRED FOR THE UNIVERSITY. MY UNIVERSITY IS HISTORICALLY BLACK...
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| 01:25:37 |
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GEORGIA. I THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. KELLEY MR. KELLEY. IT BASICALLY HAD SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT I DID NOT LEARN IN HIGH SCHOOL. I'M FROM L.A. AND I...
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| 01:26:31 |
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IF ANYTHING, BALDWIN FELT
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| 01:26:33 |
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THAT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO INTEGRATE, YOU KNOW. AND THAT INTEGRATION SHOULDN'T BE ON THE TERMS OF BLACK PEOPLE BECOMING WHITE, BUT RATHER, OF FIRST OF...
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| 01:27:23 |
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MAGAZINE AND COME ENTRY. HOW IMPORTANT WERE THOSE TYPES OF MAGAZINES IN 1960'S AMERICA? >> THOSE WERE THE FOUNDATION OF LIBERAL INTELLECTUAL POLITICAL...
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| 01:27:50 |
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THEY ARE DONE IN LIBERAL WHITE PUBLICKIZATION PUBLICATIONS. THAT WAS THE CHANNEL FOR HIM TO GAIN NOTARIETY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT...
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| 01:28:40 |
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FOR WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE A KIND OF BITTERNESS AND A KIND OF ANGER AND A KIND OF LACK OF REALISM. >> SAYS
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| 01:28:49 |
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WHOM? >> WELL, NORMAN HORWITZ, THE ED TOR OF "COMMENTARY "AND LIBERAL DURING THE 1906'S BECAME CONSERVATIVE. THE COMMUNITY COME IEWN SPLITS AND THE WORD...
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| 01:29:09 |
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KIND OF MISGUIDED, SWBSOMEBODY WHO WENT
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| 01:29:13 |
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ASTRAY. THE POLARIZATION I MENTIONED EARLIER. THERE WAS VERY LITTLE GROUND FOR CONVERSATION BETWEEN PEOPLE LIKE BALDWIN AND HIM AFTER THE 1960'S. >> WE...
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| 01:29:44 |
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AMBROSIA AND THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL FOR ALLOWING US TO COME. NEXT IS FAIRFIELD CALIFORNIA. YOU ARE ON C-SPAN. >> Caller: HELLO AND THANK YOU. OUR MEDIATOR...
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| 01:30:12 |
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LIKE POST SEPTEMBER 11, TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT INCIDENT, WE NEED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHY THE TERRORISTS DID WHAT THEY...
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| 01:31:00 |
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HERE WAS THROUGH WHAT THEY CALL FORCED
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| 01:31:03 |
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MIGRATION, ENSLAVEMENT, KIDNAPPING. WE ARE SO FUNDAMENTAL TO MAKING THIS ECONOMY. AMERICAN CAPITALISM WAS ROOTED IN SLAVERY, SOMETHING BALDWIN RECOGNIZED....
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| 01:32:11 |
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INTEGRATION AS IT WAS TO WHAT I WOULD CALL RACIAL ALMAGAMATION. UNLIKE MARTIN LUTHER
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| 01:32:17 |
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KING, AND THIS WAS NOT A POINT THAT HE STRESSED, BUT ONE COULD SEE EVIDENCE OF IT, IS THAT BALDWIN REALLY BELIEVE THAT HAD THIS COUNTRY, TO HEAL RACIALLY,...
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| 01:33:27 |
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IS THEY FELT HE WAS REALLY, AS CLEEFERCLEAVER
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| 01:33:30 |
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USES THE PHRASE, HE WAS COMMITTED TO ETHNIC SELF-HATRED. CLEAVER SAW THAT AS WISHING BLACKS TO BE OBLITERATED. I THINK BALDWIN WOULD PROBABLY BE AMONG...
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| 01:34:08 |
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BELIEVE I REALLY DO BELIEVE IN THE
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| 01:34:10 |
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NEW NEW JERUSALEM". I DON'T KNOW WHEN HE MADE THIS STATEMENT. I WONDER IF ANYBODY THERE DOES. AND CAN IT TELL US WHAT HE FELT AT THE END OF HIS LIFE...
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| 01:34:52 |
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THAT WEREN'T TRUE. AND THAT FOR
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| 01:34:54 |
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HIM WAS REALLY A VERY PROFOUND EXPERIENCE AND SO HE BEGAN TO BECOME MORE AND MORE DISSOCIATED. THIS IS FROM HIS ROLE AS A MINISTER AND HIS FEAR VENT...
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| 01:35:36 |
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LIVES AND I DON'T MEAN TO SUGGEST GERRY SANDUSKY BY THIS THE HIPPOCRACY CONCERNING SENSUALITY. IT WAS MORE DEADLY AND SUBTLE THAN A LITTLE WOULD WOULD...
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| 01:36:33 |
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STILL TEND TO LOOK TOWARD THE STRAIGHT MALE ROLE MODEL FOR LEADERSHIP AND I FIND MYSELF AS SOMEONE WHO HAS READ MR. BALDWIN EXTENSIVELY FROM A KID, IT'S...
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| 01:38:07 |
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HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT HOMOPHOBIA AND PATRIA RCHY IS FUNDAMENTAL TO ANY AGENDA FOR WHAT WE THINK OF AS FREEDOM? WHETHER YOU CALL IT BLACK FREEDOM...
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| 01:38:46 |
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DIFFERENTIATED BY CLASS,
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| 01:38:47 |
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VARIOUS KINDS OF INTEREST GROUPS AND SO I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT MAYBE THERE IS SOME KIND OF ORGANIZATIONAL ASSOCIATIONS THAT CAN COME TOGETHER AND THRASH...
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| 01:39:24 |
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ELLISON. IT'S A CONTRAST. HE SOMEWHAT RESENTED THE CELEBRITY BALDWIN WAS ENJOYING. RALPH ELLISON IN HIS BOOK "INVISIBLE MAN" WHICH STILL HAS A GREAT...
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| 01:39:38 |
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BOOK THAT DENOUNSED POLITICAL MOVEMENTS AND IDEOLOGY AND THAT SAW LITERATURE AS SOMETHING THAT WAS AN ESTHETIC EXPLORATION. SO ELLISON MADE COMMENTS...
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| 01:40:30 |
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IN "ENCOUNTER"
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| 01:40:32 |
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MAGAZINE IN WHICH HE COMPLAINED BITTERLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT EDUCATION HAD APPARENTLY NOT DONE HIM GOOD WHEN HE WAS GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL HIMSELF. AND...
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| 01:42:03 |
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TO THE ONE HE FOUND IN RELIGION AND THE KIND OF HOME ENVIRONMENT IN HARLEM AND IT GAVE HIM A MUCH BROADER HORIZON. BALDWIN BECAME
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| 01:42:13 |
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A COSMOPOLITAN. THIS BEGINNING OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS AT THIS HIGH SCHOOL AND THE PLACES HE STARTS PUBLISHING, THE FRIENDSHIPS HE DEVELOP OPD HERE AND...
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| 01:43:04 |
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EFFORT SHOULD PREPARE HIM FOR A FATE FROM WHICH THEY CANNOT PROTECT HIM CAUSES HIM TO GIRN TO AWAIT WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT HE IS DOING.
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| 01:43:14 |
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HOW IT'S RELEVANT TO PRESENT DAY IS THAT AS, I THINK AS AFRICAN-AMERICANS, OUR PARENTS ARE TEACHING US THAT WE HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL, GET A COLLEGE EDUCATION...
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| 01:44:03 |
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SPEAKING OF THE RACIAL ISSUES THAT WERE TAKING PLACE, BUT YET TODAY, THAT RACIAL ISSUE IS STILL THERE. SO THE URGENCY IS STILL THERE. >> I WANT TO SAY...
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| 01:44:37 |
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COMMUNITY AS NOT MONOLITHIC, EITHER. THE FIRST INTELLECTUAL COMMUNITY THAT BALDWIN DEALT WITH WERE NOT JUST WHITES OR JEWS. THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE...
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| 01:44:53 |
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ATTRACTED TO THEM AND THEIR INTEREST IN THE "NEGRO" HAD TO DO WITH THEIR LEFT POLITICS. I THINK THAT FOR A LOT OF WHITE WRIGHTERS, HE WAS IN FACT SEEN...
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| 01:45:36 |
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BLACK AMERICA AND THE
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| 01:45:37 |
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ORIGINS OF BLACK AMERICA WHICH IS
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| 01:45:41 |
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AFRICA, IN THE SENSE OF THEM PORTRAYING AFRICA AS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH PROBLEMS, FAMILIAR IPSAMINES, AND NEVER SHOWING, THESE COUNTRIES HAVE AIR TELL...
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| 01:46:37 |
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WAS COMING INTO PROMINENCES AS A SOCIAL CRITIC, THE VIETNAM WAR WAS
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| 01:46:42 |
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COMING MORE AND MORE INTO THE FOREFRONT. IS INTEREST IF ANY INCOMPLETE SECTION? DID HE THINK ABOUT VIETNAM IN HIS WRITING? WHAT WAS GOING
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| 01:46:50 |
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| 01:46:51 |
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ON OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES? WAS THAT AN ISSUE, AS WELL? >> THERE'S NO QUESTION
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| 01:46:56 |
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THAT HE WAS OPPOSED TO WAR, BUT I DON'T THINK HE ALLOWED HIMSELF TO BE DEFLECTED INTO THAT PARTICULAR CONCERN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE RACIAL POLITICS...
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| 01:47:16 |
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THAT THINGS LIKE VIETNAM WOULD PROBABLY NOT OCCUR. BECAUSE HE SAW IT AS A KIND OF IMPERIALISM. >> JAMES BALDWIN LEFT ESSENTIALLY FOR GOOD IN THE EARLY...
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| 01:47:43 |
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CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. A PERIOD WHEN THE FOCUS MOVED FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH AND THAT'S HOW IT'S USUALLY SEEN. BECAUSE THE URBAN REBELLION CENTERED...
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| 01:48:01 |
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I KNOW, KEEP IT BRIEF TOO'S A BIG TOP IEK THERE'S A LOT GOING ON. I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE CALL IT THE BLACK POWER, BUT THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, CAVIAT I HAVE...
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| 01:48:48 |
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BLACK AMERICA". HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE READ IT. IN THE BOOK HE TALKS ABOUT A TERM HE CREATES CALLED VICTIMOLOGY. HE SAYS THAT BLACK PEOPLE DENY THAT THERE'S,
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| 01:48:58 |
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WELL, HE DENIES THAT THERE'S INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM AND THAT THERE ARE SO MANY UNTAPPED RESOURCES THAT PLAQUE PEOPLE HAVE YET TO SORT OF USE AND UTILIZE...
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| 01:49:49 |
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WHAT I THINK HE'S TRYING TO GET AT IS HOW THIS ANTI-INTELLECTUAL CULTURE PLAYS IT SELF OUT AMONG YOUNG AFRICAN-AMERICANS. THE PART OF PROBLEM WITH THE...
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| 01:51:07 |
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THE OTHER WORKS
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| 01:51:08 |
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SEEM DIFFERENT THAN "JUST ABOVE MY HEAD" AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF THIS WAS ABOUT HIS FALLING OUT WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, HIS DISBELIEVE THAT WE...
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| 01:51:41 |
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END OF HIS LIFE, I THINK HE'S A PERSON
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| 01:51:43 |
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WHO IS NOT REALLY HOPEFUL ABOUT CHANGE. >> ROBERT WASHINGTON HAS BEEN TEACHING AT BRENMORE, DAIRY SAY IT, FOR 33 YEARS. THIS IS AMONG HIS POSSIBLE CATIONS,...
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| 01:52:08 |
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I'M WRITING ON THELONIUS MONK? OH, THE GREAT COMPOSER. I THOUGHT THE WHOLE WORLD KNEW OF HIM. NOT BORN IN NEW YORK, BUT GREW UP HERE. >>
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| 01:52:20 |
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MINNESOTA, YOU ARE NEXT. >>
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| 01:52:22 |
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Caller: HOW ARE YOU DOING?
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| 01:52:25 |
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HELLO? ARE YOU THERE? >>
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| 01:52:26 |
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YES, YES,
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| 01:52:27 |
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SIR. PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> Caller: HIEM 35 YEARS OLD AND I LIVE IN AN ALL-WHITE COMMUNITY AND I READ A LOT OF JAMES BALDWIN'S BOOKS AND THERE'S LIKE 25...
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| 01:52:41 |
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AND WE SEE EACH
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| 01:52:43 |
Caller, -
OTHER WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND THERE'S NO TALKING OR NOTHING. I JUST
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| 01:52:47 |
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WONDERED WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TOGETHERNESS OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY?
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| 01:52:50 |
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WHAT HAPPENED? BECAUSE LIKE I WAS BORN AFTER THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. I'M 35 YEARS OLD. AND I -- >> THANK YOU. >> I MADE THE COMMENT EARLIER THAT...
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| 01:53:19 |
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AFRICAN-AMERICANS MAY NOT SORT OF FEEL, I DON'T KNOW, SOME SENSE
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| 01:53:21 |
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OF COMMRADERY, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A REALITY. I JUST THINK THAT AFRICAN-AMERICANS ARE JUST BECOMING MUCH MORE DIVERSE INTERNALLY AS A GROUP....
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| 01:53:53 |
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A TREMENDOUS IMPACT. THE INTERESTING THING THAT PEOPLE DON'T COMMENT ABOUT IS THAT HE'S SUCH AN ELOQUENT WRITER, THEY DON'T COMMENT ABOUT HOW ELOQUENT...
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| 01:54:07 |
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FREQUENT PRESENCE ON TELEVISION, BUT HE APPEARED ON TELEVISION ENOUGH THAT HIS IMAGE WAS, I THINK, FAMILIAR TO A LOT OF AMERICANS. >> WE WILL TAKE ONE...
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| 01:54:34 |
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FROM? >> I'M CALLING FROM LONG ISLAND. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING MY CALL. I WANT TO THANK YOU FIRST FOR FOCUSING ON THIS
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| 01:54:41 |
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BRILLIANT AND COURAGEOUS WRITER. MY QUESTION IS FOR DR. WASHINGTON REAL QUICK. WHAT WAS
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| 01:54:49 |
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BALDWIN'S VIEWS ON ELLISON? I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF
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| 01:54:55 |
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CRITICISM FOR NOT BEING OPENLY PROTESTING AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WE HAVE A BAD CONNECTION THERE WITH YOU, BUT YOU...
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| 01:55:23 |
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ABOUT OUT OF TIME AND JUST TO WRAP THIS ALL UP FOR PEOPLE, IT'S
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| 01:55:27 |
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1963, THE "THE FIRE NEXT TIME" IS NEXT PUBLISHED. WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND WHAT CHANGE WAS GOING THROUGH AND WHAT JAMES BALDWIN'S...
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| 01:55:43 |
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IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. HE WAS A CRITIC WHO WAS ABLE TO TAP THE CONSCIENCE NOT OF JUST BLACK AMERICA, BUT PRICK THE CONSCIENCE OF WHITE AMERICA, TO...
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| 01:55:58 |
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THE REALITY OF HOW RACISM ACTUALLY AFFECTED THEM WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION THAT HE WAS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER? >> I SEE THAT AS...
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| 01:56:29 |
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AMERICAN SOCIAL CHANGE. >> BALDWIN IS A VERY PARADOXICAL SORT OF FIGURE. BECAUSE THERE'S ONE SENSE IN WHICH, AFTER HE LEFT HARLEM, HE NEVER RETURNED TO...
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| 01:56:44 |
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THE SENSE OF HAVING A SOCIAL BASE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. HE REMAINED OUTSIDE. HE LIVED IN MORE COST MOW COSMOPOLITAN WORLD. BUT HE WAS VERY EMOTIONALLY...
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| 01:56:56 |
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REFORM. HE ENGAGED IN IMAGE OF FUTURE RACE RELAYINGS THAT WENT BEYOND, I THINK, MOST OF PEOPLE'S CONCEPTIONS ABOUT INTEGRATION. I THINK HE WAS RADICAL...
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| 01:57:34 |
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THEY MAKE THE PROGRAM. WE WILL END AS WE BEGAN WITH MORE WORDS FROM JAMES BALDWIN FROM HIS 1979 SPEECH AT BERKELEY. >> A VERY BRUTAL THING MUS BE SAID....
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| 01:58:04 |
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ANY INDIAN, I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GENOCIDAL. (APPLAUSE) THEY NEEDED US FOR LABOR AND FOR SPORT. NOW, THEY CAN'T GET RID OF US. (APPLAUSE) WE CANNOT BE EXILED....
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