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DAYS AFTER WILLIAM CLARK'S JOURNAL DESCRIPTION HE AND MERIWETHER LEWIS WOULD ABANDON THEIR CAMP AND HEAD BK UP RIVER TO FIND A MORE PROTECTED SITE TO...
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JIM RHONDA, IF YOU LISTEN CLOSELY YOU CAN STILL HEAR THE BIRDS OUT HERE. WHAT IS THIS PLACE IN AMERICAN HISTORY? >> THIS IS THOMAS JEFFERSON'S WESTERN...
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A FLOTILLA OF AMERICAN CANOES BRINGING THE CORE OF DISCOVERY, THOMAS JEFFERSON'S VISION, HIS DREAM OF AN AMERICAN EMPIRE IN THE WEST. >> WHAT WAS THE...
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JUNE, 1803. LET ME READ
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A PIECE OF JEFFERSON'S INSTRUCTIONS. THE OBJECT OF YOUR MISSION IS TO EXPLORE THE MISSOURI RIVER AND SUCH PRINCIPLE STREAM OF IT AS BY ITS COURSE AND...
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FORT. MATT HENSLEY, WHO IS A PARK RANGER HERE, WILL TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THIS FORT WAS ALL ABOUT AND WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE 200 YEARS AGO. A LOCAL HISTORIAN...
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WHO IS A PARK RANGER HERE WITH THE FORT CLATSOP NATIONAL MEMORIAL
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CENTER. WHAT WAS AMERICA LIKE IN 1803-04 WHEN THIS STARTED? >> JUST A SMALL, COASTAL COUNTRY. A COUNTRY THAT IS HEMMED IN BY MOUNTAINS BUT A COUNTRY...
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WILL COME TOGETHER. WE'RE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF A TREMENDOUS BURST OF WESTERN EXPANSION THAT'LL BE FUELED BY BOTH THIS JOURNEY AND THEN BY THE LOUISIANA...
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COURSE, THIS LAND IS OCCUPIED AND CLAIMED BY NATIVE PEOPLE
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AS WELL. SO IF WE WERE GEOLOGISTS, WE WOULD CALL THIS SUSPECT
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TERRAIN. THIS IS A CONTESTED PLACE. WHERE
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WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS NOT PART OF THE UNITED STATES. >> WHAT'S THE FIRST DAY THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT ON THE RIVER BACK THERE IN ST. LOUIS TO COME THIS...
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WHAT RELATIONSHIP TO THOMAS JEFFERSON? >> DISTANT RELATIVES. HE WAS THOMAS JEFFERSON'S PRIVATE SECRETARY, MOST IMPORTANTLY. LEWIS IS
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CHOSEN BY THOMAS JEFFERSON TO LEAD WHAT JEFFERSON ALWAYS CALLS MR. LEWIS'S TOUR. AND AS THAT TOUR GROWS IN SIZE, LEWIS NEEDS TO FIND A COCAPTAIN AND...
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CLARK. >> HOW OLD
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IS MERIWETHER LEWIS? >> HE WAS BORN IN 1774 SO WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A VERY YOUNG MAN IN HIS LATE 20'S OR EARLY 30'S. >> WHAT ABOUT WILLIAM CLARK?...
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MERIWETHER LEWIS FROM A DISTINGUISHED VIRGINIA
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FAMILY. CLARK SEES THE ARMY AS A WAY TO ADVANCE HIS CAREER AND JOINS THE ARMY, IS ENGAGED IN INDIAN AFFAIRS
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IN OHIO AND THEN LEAVES THE ARMY TO
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LOOK AFTER FAMILY BUSINESS AFFAIRS. IT IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THESE TWO GUYS STAY IN SOME KIND OF TOUCH OVER THE YEARS. >> HIS AGE? >> WILLIAM CLARK...
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AND GET YOU
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INVOLVED. ONE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS SERIES IS HISTORY AND THE REASON WE'RE DOING HISTORY IS TO LOOK AT AMERICAN WRITERS. ONE
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OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS THE LEWIS AND CLARK DIARIES. >> RIGHT. >> GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF THE LEWIS AND CLARK DIARIES. HOW MUCH WAS THERE...
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JOURNEY KEPT JOURNALS AS WELL. THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS INTENT ON HAVING THIS
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JOURNEY RECORDED. HE BELIEVED THAT IF YOU GATHERED KNOWLEDGE BUT DIDN'T RECORD
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IT AND SHARE IT, IT WOULD BE KNOWLEDGE LOST. SO, AGAIN, THESE ARE THE WRITINGEST EXPLORERS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THEY KEEP JOURNALS EVERY DAY. THEY...
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OF ABOUT 30 OR SO. SO BY THE
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STANDARDS OF THE DAY, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD-SIZED TRAVELING PARTY. INDIANS ON THE UPPER MISSOURI WERE VERY ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING WHITE FOLKS BUT HAD...
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THE POINT OF THAT? >> I THINK HERE HE IS SEEING A TRULY SPECTACULAR PIECE OF WESTERN GEOGRAPHY AND PART OF HIS RESPONSIBILITY IS TO RECORD THAT AND...
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HERE TO FIND A WAY
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TO EXPRESS SOMETHING QUITE EXTRAORDINARY. >> WHY DON'T WE TAKE A CALL AND GET OUR AUDIENCE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS FOR JIM RONDA. WE'LL GO TO LA HOYA,...
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THAT MERIWETHER LEWIS DIED FROM SYPHILIS ON THE WAY BACK AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO ANOTHER SERIES OF THE BATTLES OF THE
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CIVIL WAR AND GOING THROUGH THEM. >> OK. THANKS. >> LEWIS'S DEATH HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LIVELY ISSUE. THERE IS A SCHOLARLY CONSENSUS ABOUT HIS DEATH AS...
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DEATH. THIS IS AN UNTIMELY DEATH. IT IS A TRAGIC
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DEATH. BUT IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO SCHOLARS WHO HAVE LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS A MAN WHO TAKES HIS OWN LIFE. IT IS, INDEED, A TRAGIC END TO...
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THAT THE JOURNALS OF LEWIS AND CLARK ARE AVAILABLE
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IN THEIR ENTIRETY IN VARIOUS PUBLISHED FORMS AND ON THE INTERNET. I WAS WONDERING IF ANY OF THE OTHER CREW MEMBERS WHO KEPT JOURNALS -- IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE...
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VARIOUS BOOKS BUT ARE THERE COMPLETE WRITINGS OF THE SERGEANTS AVAILABLE? >> YES. THE ENTIRE RANGE OF THE LEWIS AND CLARK JOURNALS ARE NOW AVAILABLE,...
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CAPTAINS' JOURNALS AND THE SERGEANTS' JOURNALS, ARE COMPLETELY AVAILABLE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA PRESS. THE EDITOR IS GARY MOLTEN. >> OUR GUEST...
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WERE THEY WAY OFF IN THEIR EFFORTS? THANK YOU. >> WELLING, THIS IS A WONDERFUL QUESTION. IT'S PART OF THE LARGELY -- WELL,
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THIS IS A WONDERFUL
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QUESTION AND IS PART OF THE LARGELY UNKNOWN HISTORY OF LEWIS AND CLARK. THE SPANISH WERE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF AN AMERICAN EXPEDITION...
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INTO SPANISH TERRITORY.
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THE SPANISH WERE TIPPED OFF ABOUT LEWIS AND CLARK BY NONE OTHER THAN THE MILITARY COMMANDER
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OF AMERICAN FORCES IN THE WEST, JAMES WILKINSON, SOMEONE THAT JEFFERSON TRUSTED, BUT SOMEONE WHO WAS A SPANISH SECRET AGENT. WILKINSON TIPPED OFF THE...
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MORE. >> LET ME READ THIS. THIS IS FROM MERIWETHER LEWIS. WE ALL BELIEVE WE ARE ABOUT TO ENTER -- >>
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FIRST THING, THE SPELLING
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WE SEE IN THIS. >> I THINK BOTH LEWIS AND CLARK AND THEIR SERGEANTS WERE CREATIVE SPELLERS. THIS IS BEFORE WE GET STRUCTURED RULES ABOUT SPELLING....
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CAPITALIZE IT. IF IT DOES NOT MOVE
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YOU SHOULD CAPITALIZE IT. IF IT'S BROWN CAPITALIZE IT. IF IT IS GREEN CAPITALIZE IT. >> WHAT ABOUT THE QUOTE ON THEIR WAY THROUGH THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS?...
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THE CHALLENGES. >> WHO WERE THE MEN AND ONE WOMAN THAT WENT ON THIS TRIP? WERE THEY PART
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OF THE MILITARY? >> THEY COME FROM THREE DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS. SOME OF THEM ARE FRONTIER ARMY SOLDIERS REKROUTED -- RECRUITED BY LEWIS AND CLARK TO...
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SKILLS. AND THEN, THERE ARE A GROUP OF KENTUCKY HUNTERS WHO ARE HIRED TO JOIN
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THE EXPEDITION. SO WE'VE GOT MEN FROM MANY DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS. IF WE LISTEN TO THEIR LANGUAGE, JUST LISTEN TO THEIR TALK, WE'D HEAR ALL SORTS OF...
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| 00:15:18 |
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DID LEWIS AND CLARK
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HAVE? >> THEY DIDN'T HAVE FORMAL EDUCATION IN THE WAY THAT YOU AND I WOULD KNOW THAT. BUT SINCE YOU ARE A HOME SCHOOLED STUDENT, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT...
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MANY WAYS WHAT LEWIS AND CLARK HAD. THEY HAD HOME SCHOOLING. MERIWHETHER LEWIS IS THE BETTER EDUCATED OF THE TWO AND WILLIAM CLARK IS ALWAYS ON EDGE...
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AS HIS LACK OF FORMAL EDUCATION. BUT THEY ARE WELL EDUCATED BY THE SOCIAL STANDARDS OF THE DAY. AGAIN, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT BEING A HOME SCHOOLED STUDENT...
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| 00:16:13 |
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THAT LEWIS AND CLARK FOUND OR ANYONE ELSE. >> I THINK THE
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| 00:16:19 |
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QUESTION WAS ABOUT PLANTS AND ANIMALS. >> I COULDN'T PICK IT UP. WE LOST THE TRANSMISSION. DID YOU GET IT? >> YES. I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT LEWIS...
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FACE OF THE COUNTRY," HE MEANS ALL OF THOSE PLANTS AND ANIMALS THAT ARE A PART OF
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THE PHYSICAL WORLD OF NORTH AMERICA, WHETHER IT'S GRIZZLY
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| 00:16:48 |
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BEARS OR CALIFORNIA CONDORS. THESE ARE MANY PLANTS AND ANIMALS THAT ARE NEW TO EUROPEAN SCIENCE. NATIVE PEOPLE KNOW ALL ABOUT THEM. LEWIS AND CLARK...
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TO FORT CLATSOP. >> HOW MANY MEN COULD RIDE IN THESE? >>
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YOU COULD PUT SEVEN OR EIGHT OR NINE IN HERE AND PERHAPS MORE DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF CARGO THAT YOU NEED TO CARRY AS WELL. BUT CERTAINLY BY CHINOOK...
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I'M
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A DESCENDANT OF PATRICK GAS AND I'D LIKE TON MORE ABOUT HIM AND WHERE COULD I FIND MORE? >> WELL, PATRICK GAS IS ONE OF THE SERGEANTS ON THE EXPEDITION...
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WORKER. SINCE YOU'VE ASKED ABOUT GAS, HE IS ONE OF THOSE FOLKS
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| 00:18:11 |
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WHO KEEPS A JOURNAL THAT IS LATER EDITED BY SOMEONE ELSE AND YOU CAN READ WHAT PATRICK GAS HAS TO SAY BY LOOKING AT THE LEWIS AND CLARK JOURNALS AND...
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DEAL WITH THE CARPENTER PATRICK GAS. A VERY INTERESTING AND LIVELY CHARACTER WITH A GOOD EYE FOR THE WORLD AROUND HIM. >> NEXT CALL FOR JIM RONDA IS...
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LOSING ALL OF OUR AUDIO. AND AS WE WALK WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> SURE. >> ABOUT THIS WHOLE EVENT. >> SURE. >> WE WERE TALKING A LITTLE BIT AGO...
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| 00:19:08 |
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THE WEST AMERICANS WILL
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FIND A NEW HOME FOR THEMSELVES. THIS WILL BE THE PLACE
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WHERE AMERICA WILL BE FOREVER RENEWED. JEFFERSON WAS WORRIED THAT AMERICANS
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WOULD
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EVENTUALLY DECLINE INTO URBAN AND
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INDUSTRIAL VICE AND THIS WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE THE AMERICAN REPUBLIC WOULD BE FOREVER YOUNG AND FRESH AND NEW. SO JEFFERSON HAS GREAT HOPES FOR THE...
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| 00:20:03 |
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MEN. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CALL THEMSELVES BY THEIR FIRST NAMES. IT'S "MY DEAR LEWIS" AND "MY
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DEAR CLARK." THESE ARE MEN OF A DIFFERENT TIME. BUT THEY GET ALONG WELL. THEY SHARE RESPONSIBILITIES. THEY CERTAINLY BECOME BY THE STANDARDS OF THE...
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NOT IN THIS PLACE BUT IN THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE. NATIVE PEOPLE ARE
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| 00:20:51 |
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GENUINELY WELCOMING TO LEWIS AND CLARK. THEY DON'T FEEL THREATENED. THEY'RE ONLY A HANDFUL -- THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF PLACES WHERE VIOLENCE ERUPTS...
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OF APPENDICITIS EARLY IN THE JOURNEY ANd
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APPENDICITIS EARLY IN THE JOURNEY. >> LET'S TAKE A CALL. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. CALLER: WHAT A WONDERFUL
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PROGRAM YOU HAVE GOING. IF YOU COULD FILL US IN ON
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THE STORY OF THE NEVA WHO ACCOMPANIED THE EXPEDITION. >> SURE. WHEN
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| 00:21:56 |
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MERIWETHER LEWIS IS IN PITTSBURGH HAVING THE BOAT BUILT, HE BUYS THIS WONDERFUL NEW FINLAND DOING, THIS DOG GOES ON THE JOURNEY, IS A CONSTANT COMPANION...
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PLACE, SAVES THEM FROM SOME CONSIDERABLE HARM WHEN BUFFALO RUN THROUGH THE CAMP. THE DOG BACK, AND REALLY SAVES THE CAMP FROM SERIOUS DANGER. SO HERE...
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INDIANS. WE'RE WONDERING IF THERE HAVE BEEN ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGS AT THE CAMP SITES? >> IT'S NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU FROM CROFTON, NEBRASKA. I KNOW THE...
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DEAL. LOTS OF THE CAMP SITES ERODED OVER TIME. THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SENSE OF WHERE THE BLUFF WAS AND WHERE THE...
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| 00:24:18 |
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THIS AS A JOURNEY OF IMAGINATION,
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THAT'S WHAT I TELL MY STUDENTS, THAT THIS IS A JOURNEY OF IMAGINATION,
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IT REALLY BEGINS LONG BEFORE THAT
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AND IT RIPPLES OUT INTO AMERICAN HISTORY LONG AFTER THAT AS WELL. >> WHERE ARE WE? >> WE'RE AT FORT CLATSOP AT THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE LEWIS AND CLARK...
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MORNING. CALLER: I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT YORK'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE INDIANS,
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AND TO FIND OUT IF IT IS REALLY TRUE THAT YORK, AFTER THE EXPEDITION, WENT AND LIVED ON THE RESERVATION. THANK YOU. >> YORK WAS
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A MEMBER OF A WHOLE GROUP OF SLAVES THAT ARE OWNED
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BY THE CLARK FAMILY. AND YORK WAS THE PERSONAL SERVANT AND SLAVE TO WILLIAM CLARK. HE GOES ON THE JOURNEY AS A MEMBER OF THE CORPS OF DISCOVERY. NATIVE...
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THE BLACKNESS OFF OF HIS FACE. THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN MAN. THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY THING. THEY CALL HIM BIG MEDICINE, THEY CALL...
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| 00:27:07 |
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MIDDLE 1970'S, SO I THINK COUNTLESS
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TIMES. I HAVE DONE FOUR LEWIS AND CLARK BOOKS. IT IS SO MUCH A PART OF MY
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LIFE, THAT I CAN'T THINK OF THEM WITHOUT A PRESENCE IN MY LIFE. >> WHICH WAS A BETTER
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WRITER? >> FOR A SENSE OF IMMEDIATE YASSY, CLARK IS A --
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IMMEDIACY, CLARK IS VERY POWERFUL, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A SENSE OF THE SURROUNDINGS, LEWIS HAS SOME OF THE BEST
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| 00:27:43 |
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WRITING. SOME OF THE MOST CREATIVE
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| 00:27:46 |
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WRITING WAS DONE HERE. >> THOMAS JEFFERSON WAS PRESIDENT FOR HOW LONG BY THE TIME HE GOT HERE IN 1805. >> HE IS PRESIDENT IN 1801 AND THEY ARE HERE...
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| 00:28:09 |
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PURCHASE GOING TO EXPAND DRAMATICALLY. LUIS ALBERTO MORENO ARE PART OF THAT STORY.
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| 00:28:17 |
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THE EX-- LEWIS AND CLARK ARE PART OF THAT STORY. SO
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| 00:28:22 |
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THIS EXPANSION HAS
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| 00:28:23 |
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TO DO WITH THAT. THIS IS A SMALL COASTAL COUNTRY. >> WILLIAM CLARK IS HOW OLD? >> HE IS BORN IN 1770 -- >> 35 YEARS OLD. >> AND LEWIS? >> HE IS FOUR...
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WELL,
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| 00:29:02 |
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IT IS ONE MORE REMINDER THAT THIS IS A ROUGH AND TUMBLE LIFE. THAT THIS IS NOT THE DELIGHTS AND PLEASURES OF
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| 00:29:10 |
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21ST CENTURY. BUT THEY'RE HERE IN PRETTY RIGOROUS AND DEMANDING CIRCUMSTANCES, AND FLEAS ARE PART OF THAT LIFE. >> WE WANT OUR AUDIENCE TO JOIN US...
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THE PHONE. WE WILL WALK OVER HERE AND MEET MATT HENSLEY, WHO IS A PARK RANGER WITH THIS SITE. HOW CLOSE TO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 1805 IS IT FOR...
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| 00:29:40 |
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WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS WHAT THEY BUILT. THIS MAY NOT BE THE EXACT, PERFECT SITE. THIS IS A VERY GOOD SENSE OF WHAT WE SOMETIMES CALL A SENSE OF PLACE....
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REGULAR UNIFORMS, PERHAPS THE EASTERN HUNTING CLOTHES LIKE I'M WEARING HERE, BUT THE -- BY THE TIME THEY LEAVE, THEY ARE COMPLETELY IN
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| 00:30:12 |
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BUCK SKINS. THEIR BUCK SKINS WERE ROTTING OFF THEIR BACKS BECAUSE THEY WERE
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| 00:30:18 |
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WET SO MUCH. OFF THEIR BACKS BECAUSE THEY WERE WET SO MUCH. >> HOW LONG DID THEY LIVE HERE? >> 106 DAYS, FROM DECEMBER 7, THEY LOCATE HERE UNTIL MARCH...
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LOW 40'S, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
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THEY DO HAVE A FEW TIMES WHERE THE TEMPERATURE DIPS DOWN BELOW
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FREEZING, BUT IT IS -- THEY TALK ABOUT
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IT BEING VERY WARM HERE WHICH WAS ONE OF THE MEAT PROBLEMS THAT THEY
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HAD WHEN THEY WOULD HUNT, AND LEAVE SEVERAL ELK LAYING OUT
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IN WARM, DAMP TEMPERATURES. >> HOW MUCH OF THE DIARY WAS WRITTEN HERE ON THIS LOCATION? >> A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF THE DIARIES WERE WRITTEN HERE. ...
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US TO BE. >> MATT HENSLEY, WHAT DO THEY DO EVERY
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DAY? THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TELEPHONES OR CELL PHONES TO CARRY AROUND. >> THE HUNTERS, A GROUP WOULD BE APPOINTED TO GO OUT AND HUNT EVERY DAY. SOME...
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HYDES, DRESSING SKINS -- TANNING HIDES, DRESSING SKINS, AS THEY CALLED IT. KEEPING THE HOME
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FIRES BURNING, SO TO SPEAK, AND JUST ALL OF THE SURVIVAL TYPE OF SKILLS THAT THEY NEEDED. >> IF WILLIAM CLARK WAS 35 AND MERIWETHER LEWIS WAS 31, WHAT...
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| 00:32:24 |
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THAT IS VERY MUCH A GUESS MUCH WE'RE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING ABOUT THE GENEALOGY OF THE FAMILY THAT YORK IS A PART OF. BUT THIS IS A FAIRLY...
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30'S AVERAGE.
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THE YOUNGEST WAS GEORGE SHANNON, WHO WAS 18 WHEN HE LEFT, THE OLDEST WAS TOUSSAINT CHARBONNEAU HIMSELF, IN HIS 40'S. >> WHO WAS HE? >> HE WAS THE INTERPRETER...
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THE EXPEDITION SACAGAWEA. >> LET'S TAKE A PHONE CALL FROM SPRINGFIELD. CALLER: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOUR GUEST. I HAVE READ A
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HISTORICAL NOVELIST
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| 00:33:10 |
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JAMES ALEXANDER TOM'S WORKS, ONE IS CALLED "SEA TO SHINING SEA." TO ME THIS BRINGS THE DIARY, THE JOURNAL TO
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| 00:33:21 |
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LIFE, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOUR GUESTS HAVE READ THAT AND HOW HISTORICALLY FACTUAL THAT IS. >> JAMES RONDA? >> I KNOW THEIR WORK VERY WELL. I KNOW...
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GOOD READ. >> GOODLAND,
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KANSAS, OUR NEXT CALL. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. CALLER: I'M VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN THE AMERICAN HISTORY, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN THE LADY WHO WENT ON THIS...
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THANKS. MAT HENSLEY? >> -- MATT HENSLEY? >> HER HUSBAND RETIRED. SHE IS BROUGHT ALONG, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO -- THEY FIND OUT AT FORT MANDAN THEY...
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FOR HIM TO BRING HIS WIFE ALONG MUCH SHE IS
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SELECTED JUST BEFORE THEY LEAVE
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FORT MANDAN AND BROUGHT ALONG, SHE, IN FEBRUARY, OF 1805, HAS HER BABY, AND SO WHEN THEY LEAVE IN APRIL, THE BABY IS LESS THAN TWO MONTHS OLD AND THEY'RE...
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| 00:35:16 |
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IS CLAIMED BY SPAIN, THE RUSSIANS ARE HERE AS WELL, SO THINK ABOUT THIS AS
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A CLASSIC PART OF THE AMERICAN WEST THAT IS CLAIMED BY MANY NATIONS. AND THE DESTINY OF THE WEST IS GOING TO BE WORKED OUT IN PLACES JUST LIKE THIS....
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| 00:35:53 |
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THEY WERE EATING MOST OF THE TIME, HOW IT WOULD GET INVESTED AND HOW THEY RAN OUT OF DRINKS. >> WHAT DID THEY EAT? >> ALONG THE TRAIL, THEY'RE EATING...
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MAKERS DOWN
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THE COAST TO SET UP BOILING SALT WATER MANY >> HOW FAR FROM HERE ARE THE SALT WORKS? >> ABOUT 16 MILES FROM THIS LOCATION. YOU HAVE A MAJOR RIVER...
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I READ THAT THEY HAD 120
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GALLONS OF WHISKEY WHEN THEY TOOK OFF FROM ST. LOUIS. >> THERE WAS NONE LEFT WHEN THEY GOT HERE. >> HOW MUCH WAS DRINKING PART OF THEIR DAY? >> DRINKING...
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GREAT FALLS, MONTANA. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. CALLER: I WAS GOING TO ASK JAMES RONDA IF IT WAS FACT OR
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FICTION THAT AT
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THE FORK OF THE
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SUN RIVER WHERE IT MEETS THE MISSOURI RIVER IN GREAT FALLS WAS WHITE BEAR -- WAS A WHITE BEAR
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ACTUALLY KILLED? BECAUSE THERE IS A WHITE BEAR ISLAND. ALSO DO THEY MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE GIANT SPRINGS? >> FIRST, THERE IS A BEAR THAT IS KILLED...
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| 00:38:05 |
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ROCHESTER, VERMONT, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THE SERGEANT'S PART IN THE LEWIS AND CLARK BEINGS PE DIGS. >> THE SERGEANT WAS...
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JOURNAL AND HAS AN ENRY FOR EVERY DAY. HE IS THE ONLY JOURNAL KEEPER WHO MAKES
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AN ENTRY FOR EVERY SINGLE DAY. HE IS SOMEONE WHO HAS A GOOD EYE FOR THE WORLD AROUND HIM. HE
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IS THE SENIOR SERGEANT, AND A VERY INTERESTING CHARACTER. >> MATT HENSLEY, WE'RE GOING TO GO INSIDE AND TAKE A LOOK, BUT WHAT WILL PEOPLE SEE AS WE...
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| 00:39:05 |
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GOVERNED BY THE THREE SERGEANTS. >> WHEN THEY WERE HERE, HOW MUCH DID PRESIDENT JEFFERSON KNOW ABOUT THE
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| 00:39:13 |
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SUCCESS OR NOT SUCCESS OF THE TRIP? >> HE KNEW@ k))a&@ @ @ @ @ @
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TRIED TO COME THIS WAY? FIRST, DID ANY AMERICAN COME OUT THIS FAR? >> AMERICANS HAD COME OUT THIS WAY. IN THE 1790'S ALEXANDER MCKENZIE IS THE FIRST...
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| 00:40:23 |
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EXPEDITION. DAVID THOMPSON IS ONE OF THE GREAT BEINGS PLORERS FOR THE AMERICAN WEST, HE -- EXPLORERS FOR THE AMERICAN WEST, HE IS ONE OF THE CRUCIAL...
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ASTORIA. >> WHAT IS
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| 00:41:10 |
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IT LIKE HERE? >> ASTORIA HAS A POP LAKE
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| 00:41:16 |
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OF 10,000, PRIMARILY THE REGION IS FISHING AND
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| 00:41:21 |
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LUMBER INDUSTRIES TO THIS POINT AND TRYING TO TAP INTO THE
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TOURISM OF THE REGION. >> WHY DON'T WE TAKE A CALL
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FROM BIRMINGHAM, GO AHEAD. YOU'RE ON THE
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| 00:41:32 |
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AIR. CALLER: I HAVE RECENTLY LISTENED TO AN
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| 00:41:36 |
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AUDIO BOOK THAT DAVID AMBROSE WROTE, HE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT MISSING JOURNAL. DID ANYBODY COME UP WITH THE
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| 00:41:49 |
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MISSING JOURNALS? >> MATT HENSLEY, DO YOU KNOW? >> THERE ARE SEGMENTS OF LEWIS' WRITING WHERE WE DON'T HAVE IT. WE DONE FOE IF HE ACTUALLY -- WE ...
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| 00:42:11 |
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WHICH IS UNUSUAL. HE IS INSTRUCTED PI JEFFERSON
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| 00:42:15 |
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TO -- HE IS INSTRUCTED BY JEFFERSON TO WRITE. MANY KNEW ABOUT THE LOWER MISSOURI, SO HE'S NOT WRITING ANYTHING AT THAT POINT. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING...
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| 00:42:45 |
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WHERE ARE WE? >> THIS IS THE
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| 00:42:48 |
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CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS, THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN BOTH CAPTAINS WORKING ON JOURNALS. THEY SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME IN HERE. WE'VE GOT TWO DESKS...
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THIS ONE IS CAPTAIN
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CLARK, THE MAP MAKER. THEY ARE PRESENTED BY JOSEPH FIELDS RIGHT AFTER THEY MOVE INTO THE FORT WITH LAPTOP DESKS, SLABS THAT THEY COULD WRITE ON. >>...
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JEFFERSON TRUSTED HIM? IN ADDITION TO THE NORTHWEST PASSAGE, ONE THING WAS TO DEVELOP TRADE WITH THE INDIANS, HOW WELL DO YOU THINK THAT JEFFERSON BELIEVED...
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| 00:44:20 |
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JEFFERSON DID TRUST HIM. IF JEFFERSON HAD KNOWN THAT
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| 00:44:25 |
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WILKINSON HAD DETRADE LEWIS AND CLARK TO THE SPANISH, -- HAD BETRAYED LEWIS AND CLARK TO THE SPANISH, THAT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT ON RAGE. THE OTHER QUESTION...
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CLOCK MAKER. THIS PIECE
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IS
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KIND OF REPLICATED TO SHOW THE AIR RIFLE THAT THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM AT ALL OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN COUNCILS, CAPTAIN LEWIS WOULD PULL OUT THE AIR RIFLE...
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| 00:46:37 |
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AND CLARK ABOUT 1950. AND HAD BEEN READING IT EVER SINCE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR GUESTS IF HE HAS READ THE BONNEVILLE CON CALS? >> YES, --...
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| 00:47:13 |
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IT IS A REMARKABLE STORY. >> OMAHA, NEBRASKA,
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| 00:47:17 |
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YOU'RE ON THE AIR. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. WHAT'S YOUR COMMENT, PLEASE? CALLER: YES, HERE IN OMAHA, WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT SERGEANT FLOYD, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR...
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| 00:47:37 |
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ILLNESSES OR PROBLEMS THAT THEY RAN INTO. >> WHAT ABOUT WHEN THEY WERE HERE AT FORT CLATSOP, MUCH ILLNESS? >> YES, A LOT OF FLU, AND THE MEN ARE EXPERIENCING...
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| 00:48:03 |
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TAKEN SOME TRAINING. HIS MOTHER, BEING AN HERBOLIGIST, HE HAD SOME OF
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| 00:48:11 |
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THAT BACKGROUND. LEWIS BASICALLY WAS THE DOCTOR OF THE EXPEDITION, AND THEY -- THEY BASICALLY IN A WET, DAMP CLIMATE LIKE YOU HAVE HERE, THEY EXPERIENCED...
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| 00:48:49 |
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APPEAR IN PRINT UNTIL 1814 IN A SMALL PRESS ROOM OF LESS THAN 200
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| 00:48:55 |
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COPIES. THAT IS A REAL DISAPPOINTMENT. >> LET'S GO TO MONTANA. >> I'M WONDERING WHY LEWIS AND CLARK MADE NO MENTION OF ONE OF THE GREATEST WONDERS...
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| 00:49:23 |
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TRAVELED INTO YELLOWSTONE
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| 00:49:27 |
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PARK, AND DO YOU SUPPOSE LEWIS AND CLARK FELT IT WAS TOO BIZARRE A STORY AND DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN? >> IF YOU THINK OF THEIR JOURNEY AS UP THE MISSOURI,...
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| 00:50:00 |
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HAVE ONE MISSION TO FOLLOW THE MISSOURI, CROSS -- CROSSING THE MOUNTAINS AND TAKING THE COLUMBIA HERE. IT IS NOT CLEAR IF THEY WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT...
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| 00:50:49 |
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WITH THE WHOLE OF U.S. HISTORY, YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF TIME TO SPEND RIGHT
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| 00:50:56 |
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HERE. >> THEY LIVE -- THE NAMES LEWIS AND CLARK ARE EVERYWHERE AROUND HERE. DO THEY KNOW MUCH BY THE TIME THEY FET TO YOUR CLASS? -- BY THE TIME THEY...
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| 00:51:18 |
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ALL OF THE KIDS GET TO COME OUT WHERE THEY SPEND AN ENTIRE DAY HERE. SO THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE HAVE
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| 00:51:28 |
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DECENT KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT LEWIS AND CLARK IS ABOUT. >> ST. CHARLES, MISSOURI. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. CALLER: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION IN REGARD TO...
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| 00:51:52 |
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JAMES RONDA? >> THERE IS NO MENTION OF THAT. THE NEXT AMERICAN TRANSCONTINENTAL JOURNEY, THEY WILL STOP AND TALK WITH FOLKS AT THE BOONE SETTLEMENT....
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| 00:52:15 |
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DOES THE NAME CLATSOP MEAN? >> THE CLATSOPS WERE THE AMERICAN INDIANS THAT LIVED IN THIS AREA. THEY WERE ALL CHUNUQWIN INDIANS. AND THEIR
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| 00:52:36 |
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NEAREST NEIGHBORS
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| 00:52:38 |
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WERE THE MANDAN INDIANS. WHEN THEY LEFT HERE, THEY GAVE THE FORT TO THE CLATSOPS, AND IT IS NOT KNOWN WHETHER THEY EVER STAYED IN HERE OR NOT, BUT...
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| 00:53:12 |
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SOME MORE. WHEN YOU DIP, YOU HAVE TO RUN IT ALONG THE EDGE AND KNOCK OFF THE EXCESS OR YOU GET BLOTTING. THE CUTTING OF A QUILL
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| 00:53:22 |
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PEN IS
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| 00:53:23 |
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PRETTY INTERESTING ART, AND TO DO IT WELL, IF YOU DO IT WELL, YOU
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| 00:53:28 |
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GET A PEN THAT YOU CAN WRITE SEVERAL WORDS WITH. >> DAGE, -- SAN DIEGO, YOU'RE THE NEXT CALLER. CALLER: MY QUESTION IS WHEN I WAS A SCHOOL CHILD IN...
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| 00:53:54 |
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WEST WAS REALLY PLOTTED BY SACAGAWEA BECAUSE SHE KNEW THE WAY AND SHE KNEW ALSO THE INDIAN TRIBES. IS THIS CORRECT OR A DISTORTION? >> WELL, HISTORICALLY...
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| 00:54:30 |
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A WEARING AROUND THE CAMP AND WHETHER THEY MADE THAT OUT OF LEATHER. I'M A REENACTOR AND LOOKING INTO MAKING ONE. >> I DON'T THINK THEY MADE ONE OUT...
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| 00:55:35 |
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THEY'RE IN FULL WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE CALLED OVERALLS, WHICH MEANS IT COVERS THE ENTIRE LEG. >> HOW MANY POPELE LIVED HERE? >> 33. >> WHO LIVED IN THIS...
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| 00:56:03 |
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WITH A BUFFALO HIDE OVER
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| 00:56:05 |
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THE TOP OF IT. THEY DON'T GO INTO THE DETAILS IN THE JOURNALS AS TO WHAT
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| 00:56:09 |
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THE BEDS LOOKED LIKE, HOW THEY FINISHED OFF THE DOORS OR
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| 00:56:14 |
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WINNOWS. LOTS OF LITTLE DETAILS THAT WE WISH THEY HAD GONE INTO THAT
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| 00:56:18 |
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THEY DIDN'T. SO WE'RE KIND OF LEFT
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| 00:56:20 |
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TO LOOK AT PERIOD AND WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE
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| 00:56:23 |
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DONE. >> OUR NECK CALL IS FROM VANCOUVER, -- OUR NEXT CALL IS FROM VANCOUVER, NOT TOO FAR FROM. WHAT IS THE VANCOUVER NAME FROM? >> IT IS FROM GEORGE...
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| 00:56:44 |
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ROYAL SOCIETY IN GREAT BRITAIN, SO VANCOUVER IS A NAME THAT RIDS US THAT SOME OF THE GREAT -- THAT REMINDS US THAT SOME OF THE GREAT
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| 00:56:53 |
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JOURNEYS ARE THE MARITIME JOURNEYS. >> LET'S TAKE THE CALL FROM VANCOUVER, WASHINGTON. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. CALLER: I'M A SCHOLAR AND...
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| 00:57:19 |
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THE FINEST ANALYSIS DONE OF THE STORY OF THE EXPEDITION. THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN IN 1984, WHAT NEW INFORMATION HAVE YOU LEARNED IN THE ENSUING YEARS THAT...
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| 00:58:05 |
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I HAVE LEARN OVER THE YEARS IS TO UNDERSTAND NATIVE PEOPLE AS EXPLORERS. WE USED TO THINK OF NATIVE PEOPLE AS BEING PASSIVE. LEWIS AND CLARK COME THROUGH...
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| 00:59:22 |
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IS THAT THE WAY THEY FELT BACK THEN ABOUT THE INDIANS? >> AT THIS POINT, YEAH, LEWIS, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T WANT TO TRUST THEM TO THE FULLEST EXTENT. THOUGH...
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| 00:59:59 |
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EXPEDITION IS THEY'RE DOWN ON A SMALL QUANTITY OF TRADE GOODS, AND IT IS A DIFFICULT WINTER FOR THEM BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT THESE FOLKS HERE, THEY'RE...
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| 01:00:51 |
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AND THEY MEET HORSE BUFFALO INDIANS, AND INDIANS WHO LIVE IN THE DOMED LODGES, AND ACROSS THE
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| 01:01:01 |
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MOUNTAINS THEY'RE MEETING THE SHOSHONE, AND THEN THEY COME ON TO THE PLATEAU AND INTO THE WORLD OF THE COLUMBIA, SO THEY'RE CROSSING SO MANY OF THE DIFFERENT...
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| 01:01:54 |
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THIS EXPEDITION, AND WITH HUNTING AND ALL OF THE MISHAPS THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THIS STUFF, DID IT LAST THEM THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE TRIP AND BACK? I TAKE...
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| 01:02:56 |
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AND SOME OF THE CANCERERS
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| 01:02:58 |
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WERE PUNCTURED, AND THE -- CANNISTERS WERE PUNCTURED, AND THE GUNPOWDER LOST, BUT THE CANCERERS THAT LEWIS DE-- THE CANNISTERS THAT LEWIS DESIGNED SHOWED...
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| 01:03:46 |
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FRUITS AND BETTERIES, IT WAS BASICALLY A MEAT AND FISH DIET. >>
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| 01:03:52 |
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WISCONSIN, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> I
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| 01:03:57 |
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| 01:03:59 |
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FOUND PATRICK GAS WAS VERY INTERESTING. DO
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| 01:04:03 |
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YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDED READING ON THE DEATH OF LEWIS? >> PATRICK GAS LIVED TO BE ALMOST 99 YEARS OLD. WHAT DID HE DO RIGHT? >> HE'S A FASCINATING...
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| 01:04:16 |
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A CARPENTER BY TRADE. A KEEN OBSERVER OF THE WORLD AROUND HIM. ENDS
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| 01:04:21 |
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UP LIVING IN WHAT IS KNOWN AS WEST VIRGINIA. HE KEEPS A JOURNAL. AT THE END OF THE JOURNEY, HE SELLS THAT JOURNAL TO A
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| 01:04:29 |
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PITTSBURGH NEWSPAPER WRITER AND PRINTER NAMED DAVID MCKEEN, HE DOES A
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| 01:04:35 |
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TRADITIONAL THING, HE REWRITES PART OF THAT JOURNAL, AND THAT IS PUBLISHED, PATRICK GAS' ACCOUNT IS THE FIRST EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF THE EXPEDITION...
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| 01:05:29 |
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IS MERIWETHER LEWIS' ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH IT WILL COST. THAT FIGURE HAS ENTERED INTO THE MYTHOLOGY OF LEWIS AND CLARK THAT IS NOT, IN FACT, WHAT THE EXPEDITION...
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| 01:06:00 |
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ADDITIONAL $10,000 THAT WOULD BE USED TO TAKE ONE OF THE MANDAN'S CHIEFS BACK TO HIS VILLAGE, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WOULD BE...
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| 01:07:06 |
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WE FROM THE PACIFIC OCEAN? >> ABOUT FOUR MILES DIRECTLY WEST. >> WHAT CAN YOU SEE
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| 01:07:12 |
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OUT ON THE PACIFIC SNOTION >> IN THE LATE 1800'S THEY BEGAN A JETTY THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THAT EVENTUALLY EXTENDED SIX MILES INTO THE OCEAN,
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| 01:07:26 |
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AND THAT WAS MEANT TO
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| 01:07:29 |
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CONTROL THE -- THE
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| 01:07:32 |
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CHANGES WITHIN THE MOUTH OF THE COLUMBIA, THE SHIFTING OF THE SANDS WITHIN THE MOUTH OF THE COLUMBIA FOR
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| 01:07:39 |
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COMMERCE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE RIVER BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. THERE ARE CIVIL WAR PLACEMENT, AND FORT STEVENS WAS A -- BEGAN IN THE CIVIL...
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| 01:08:27 |
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YOU COULD COMMENT ON THE DEATH OF SERGEANT FLOYD AND HOW
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| 01:08:32 |
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REMARKABLE THAT THEY ONLY LOST ONE
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| 01:08:36 |
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MAN. >> I THINK IT IS REMARKABLE
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| 01:08:39 |
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THAT ONLY ONE MAN DIES WHO IS
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| 01:08:41 |
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A MEMBER OF THE CORPS OF DISCOVERY. A MEDICAL HISTORIAN WITH A GOOD BOOK ABOUT THE MEDICAL ASPECTS, AND THE DOCTOR WAS CLEAR ABOUT FINDING THAT SERGEANT...
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| 01:08:59 |
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OF APPENDICITIS, BUT IT IS A REMARKABLE STORY THAT THE EXPEDITION ITSELF ONLY LOSES ONE MAN. THIS IS A DEATH THAT @W@O@u@a7@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @...
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| 01:10:12 |
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ELK BACK TO THE FORT, SO IT IS LAYING OUT THERE IN MILD, WET TEMPERATURES, SO WHEN THEY GET IT BACK, IT IS STARTING TO SPOIL, SO THE SALT WAS VERY...
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| 01:10:54 |
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THEN SOME OF THE RESULTS OF WHAT THIS
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| 01:11:00 |
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EXPEDITION DOES, WITH THE MOUNTAIN AND THE TRAPPERS AND THE TRADERS. >> OCEANSIDE, CALIFORNIA, YOU'RE NEXT. CALLER: I GREW UP IN SOUTHEASTERN IDAHO,...
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| 01:11:30 |
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THE SHOSHONE AND BLACK FOOT INDIANS. IN THEIR TRAVELS DID THEY WRITE ABOUT THE SNAKE RIVER WHERE IT GOES AND MEETS THE COLUMBIA? >> THANK YOU. >>...
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| 01:12:02 |
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SHOSHONE, THEIR WAYS OF LIFE, THEIR HORSES,
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| 01:12:05 |
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THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THEIR NATIVE NEIGHBORS. IN YOUR PART OF IDAHO, LEWIS AND CLARK ARE CRUCIAL FOR UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT PART OF THE WORLD LOOKS...
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| 01:12:39 |
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THEY HAVE THERE? >> -- HOW MISERABLE A WINTER DID THEY HAVE THERE? >> THEY HAD RAIN FOR 94 DAYS, SICK DAYS THEY HAD -- SIX DAYS THEY HAD SUNSHINE THE...
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| 01:12:57 |
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BUT EVEN ON THOSE
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| 01:12:58 |
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THEY WOULD HAVE RAIN AT SOME POINT DURING THAT DAY. SO 94 DAYS IT
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| 01:13:03 |
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RAINS. >> NOW, THIS ROOM WAS FOR WHAT? >> THIS IS THE EARLY
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| 01:13:08 |
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QUARTERS. THEY DON'T REALLY GO INTO DETAIL AS TO WHO WAS IN HERE. THREE PRIVATES ROTATED THROUGH THE DUTY. EACH DAY THEY WOULD COME ON IN THE MORNING...
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| 01:13:24 |
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THERE ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE THE IS THES WERE IN HERE, THOSE THAT BELIEVE THAT
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| 01:13:29 |
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PERHAPS THE -- THE ORDERLIES, THE PRIVATES ON DUTY WERE IN HERE, PERHAPS YORK WAS IN THERE ALSO. BUT DETAILS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE. >> LET'S TAKE...
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| 01:14:03 |
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REALLY DON'T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT THAT. THE JOURNALS DN'T REVEAL THAT SORT OF DETAIL. THESE ARE JOURNALS THAT ARE MEANT TO RECORD WHAT THEY SEE, THE...
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| 01:14:23 |
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TRADITIONS AMONG THE CORPS OF DISCOVERY ITSELF. SUNDAY SERVICES SIMPLY DON'T PLAY A PART IN THIS STORY. >> MATT HENSLEY, HOW CLOSE TO WHAT THIS FORT...
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| 01:14:55 |
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THEY LEFT US. THE ONLY DIMENSION WE REALLY DON'T KNOW IS HOW HIGH THEY BUILT THE ROOF, BUT CERTAINLY THEY
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| 01:15:02 |
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DIDN'T GO TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY DID BACK AT FORT MANDAN. >> WHAT IS THIS LADY DOING? >> SHE IS SCRAPING THE FLESH SIDE OF A HIDE. ONE OF THE PRIMARY...
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| 01:15:27 |
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TIME SEWING NEW CLOTHES, DRESSING
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| 01:15:30 |
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SKINS, AS THEY CALLED IT. ONE OF MY FAVORITE QUOTES FROM THE JOURNAL IS CAPTAIN CLARK WRITING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY IN ...
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| 01:16:19 |
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RANIER, 50 MILES DUE EAST. MY COMMENT IS I HAVE BEEN AT
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| 01:16:29 |
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FORT CLATSOP, AND IT IS A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE. I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE. THE QUESTION IS WHAT WERE THE RESULTS -- WHAT WERE THE COMMENTS THAT THE GOVERNMENT...
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| 01:17:16 |
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VERY GOOD MANAGER MANY ONE REASON
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| 01:17:18 |
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HE GOES BACK TO WASHINGTON, D.C., IN 1801 TO EXPLAIN THE TANGLED MESS OF HIS FINANCIAL ACCOUNTS. IN 1807 WHEN THE ACCOUNTS ARE SUBMITTED, AT THAT MOMENT...
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| 01:17:58 |
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THE MEDIA? >> AT FIRST IT WAS PRIVATE. JEFFERSON WAS CONCERNED ABOUT POLITICAL OPPOSITION TO THIS. IN
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| 01:18:04 |
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FACT, THE SECRETARY OF THE
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| 01:18:06 |
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TREASURY SAID THAT WE NEED TO BE
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| 01:18:08 |
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CAUTIOUS ABOUT POTENTIAL POLITICAL OPPOSITION. BUT ONCE THE JOURNEY BEGINS, IT IS WIDELY KNOWN IN ST. LOUIS
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| 01:18:17 |
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WHO THESE MEN ARE. >> WHAT DID THE BRITISH
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| 01:18:20 |
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THINK OF THE TRIP? >> YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE BRITISH WOULD BE DEEPLY CONCERNED MANY APPARENTLY THEY'RE NOT. JEFFERSON GOES TO THE BRITISH AMBASSADOR,...
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| 01:18:40 |
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ARE VERY CONCERNED AND ATTEMPT
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| 01:18:42 |
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TO STOP THE EXPEDITION, SO IT IS THE SPANISH RESPONSE THAT IS THE MOST POWERFUL. THE BRITISH ARE NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT. >> DURING THE TWO YEARS...
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| 01:19:14 |
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IMPERIAL EXPANSION. WHILE LEWIS AND CLARK ARE GONE, THE TENSIONS BETWEEN THE UNITED
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| 01:19:19 |
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STATES AND GREAT BRITAIN GROW, TENSIONS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND FRANCE GROW. SO WE'RE LOOKING TOWARD THE GREAT IMPERIAL EXPLOSION OF THE WAR OF...
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| 01:19:52 |
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WE FIND? >> OFF TO THE LEFT YOU
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| 01:19:54 |
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WILL SEE SOME FOLKS DOING SOME RENDERING. THEY RAN OUT OF CANDLES WHILE HERE, AND THE CANDLES WERE IMPORTANT TO THE PROCESS OF WRITING IN JOURNALS, SO...
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| 01:20:09 |
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TAKING THE FAT OF ANIMALS AND BOILING IT
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| 01:20:14 |
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DOWN AND THEN WHAT WE DO IS GO THROUGH THE CANDLE-MAKING PROCESS. ON JANUARY 13, CAPTAIN LEWIS WROTE THEY RAN OUT OF CANDLES, BUT WERE FORTUNATE TO TAKE...
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| 01:21:03 |
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THE SUPPLIES DRY. >> THIS IS A WATER-BORN JOURNEY. THIS IS THE LEWIS AND CLARK NAVY. IN PITTSBURGH THEY HAVE A LARGE BOAT CONSTRUCTED THAT IS MODIFIED...
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| 01:21:28 |
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THINK OF THIS AS A WATER-BORN JOURNEY. THIS IS THE LEWIS AND CLARK NAVY. >> AGAIN, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE? >> FIRST 40-SOME MEN OUT OF ST. LOUIS, AND...
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| 01:21:56 |
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MANY PEOPLE WERE RIDING IN
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| 01:21:59 |
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A PAROGU? >> 30 PEOPLE >> WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST VESSEL? >> THAT IS A KEEL BOAT. IT HAS A MAST WITH A SAIL. >> HOW MANY CANOES DID THEY HAVE? >> THEY...
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| 01:22:17 |
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SURE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> AT
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| 01:22:21 |
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FORT MANDAN THEY BUILT
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| 01:22:24 |
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SIX MORE AND FROM THERE THEY TAKE THE CA HOWS UP TO
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| 01:22:27 |
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THE UPPER MISSOURI, AND THEN OUT OF THE FALLS
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| 01:22:32 |
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LEWIS PLANS ON USING HIS EXPERIMENT AND IT DOESN'T WORK OUT BECAUSE
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| 01:22:36 |
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HE CAN'T FIND THE RIGHT COMPOUND TO PAVE THE EDGES OF THE SEAMS, SO THEY HAVE TO
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| 01:22:44 |
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BUILD TWO NEW CANOES THERE. >> EE WILL WALK OVER TO THE FIRING AREA. LET'S TAKE A CALL FROM EDGEWOOD, NEW MEXICO. CALLER: EMRY AND RUTH STRONG WROTE...
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| 01:23:08 |
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WITH PICTURES OF THE FLORA MENTIONED IN THE JOURNALS. I WONDERED IF ANYBODY WROTE A BOOK FROM THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ROCKIES COVERING THE LEWIS AND...
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| 01:24:36 |
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MONTICELLO AND HERE AT FORT CLATSOP. >>
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| 01:24:42 |
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MATT HENSLEY, THE SLOPE OVER HERE OF THE
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| 01:24:45 |
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FORT? >> THERE ARE SEVERAL ASPECTS
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| 01:24:47 |
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TO THE EXPEDITION, BUT ONE THAT SOMETIMES WE TEND TO FORGET IS THAT IT IS A MILITARY EXPEDITION, THESE MEN ARE IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY. YOU DO THINGS...
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| 01:25:03 |
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A WINTER QUARTER, EVEN CONSIDERING
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| 01:25:07 |
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THE GROWTH WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, ABOUT LEWIS' DISTRUST, YOU BUILD THE HIGH WALLS ON THE OUTSIDE. YOU CAN CLIMB THE ROOF AND BE ALMOST INSIDE THE FORT...
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| 01:25:55 |
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WE'RE GOING TO WATCH A FIRING. HAVE THEY ALL LOADED?
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| 01:26:00 |
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OK. THEY ARE LOADED. THE LOADING PROCESS, THESE ARE SINGLE-SHOT WEAPONS. EVERYTHING COMES THROUGH THE MUZZLE OF THE WEAPON, AND SEAN OVER HERE IS GOING...
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| 01:26:13 |
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FIRING AN AMERICAN LAWN RIFLE, AND SEAN OVER HERE IS GOING TO
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| 01:26:17 |
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BE FIRING A HARPER'S FERRY, 1803. THERE IS A BIT OF A DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER THE HARPER'S FERRIES WERE ACTUALLY ON THE EXPEDITION, PERHAPS NOT, BUT AT...
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| 01:28:16 |
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THREE. HE'LL HOLD IT UP. YOU DIDN'T WANT TO PULL THE WEAPON DOWN AND HAVE IT GO OFF IN YOUR HANDS, THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE LIVE BALLS IN IT, WE HAVE...
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| 01:28:59 |
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YOU. WE WILL TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND BE BACK. >>
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| 01:29:04 |
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| 01:29:08 |
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| 01:29:11 |
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| 01:29:14 |
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| 01:29:19 |
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WHEN THEY GO DOWN TO THE FORT, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT TRANSPIRED BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY REACH THE FORT, SO THEY HAVE A GOOD BACKGROUND OF THE EXPEDITION....
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| 01:32:15 |
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IS, BASICALLY THE EAST COAST. SHOWS YOU THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE, HOW IT WAS FIRST WAS FRENCH, THEN GIVEN TO THE SPANISH,
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| 01:32:23 |
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THEN BACK TO THE FRENCH, BACK TO THE UNITED STATES. >> BY 1805 OR 1804 WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED, WE OWNED
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| 01:32:30 |
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THAT LAND. >> THE INK WAS DRY BEING, BUT YEAH, WE BASICALLY OWNED THE LAND. BUT THE OREGON COUNTRY OR THE OREGON TERRITORY WAS BASICALLY CLAIMED...
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| 01:32:47 |
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ISLAND TO THE TIP OF WASHINGTON. SO -- BUT EVERYTHING THEY CALLED -- OR THE OREGON
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| 01:32:52 |
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COUNTRY GOES UP INTO CANADA AND BRITISH COLUMBIA. >> SO VISITORS LOOK AT THAT MAP AND GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE INTERNATIONAL SETTING
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| 01:33:01 |
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WAS. AND YOU WALK OVER HERE AND YOU GET THE PAINTINGS OF THE THREE PRINCIPALS.
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| 01:33:06 |
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THOMAS JEFFERSON. >> MERRIWETHER LEWIS AND CLARK. SO IT SETS THE GENTLEMEN WHO STARTED THIS EXPEDITION AND WHOSE IDEA. JEFFERSON, THE MAN BEHIND THE...
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| 01:33:18 |
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HIS DREAM, HIS LONG-DESIRED OBJECT, HIS SECRETARY HE BROUGHT IN, TRUSTED. >> MERRIWETHER LEWIS. >> RIGHT. AND HE SELECTED CAPTAIN CLARK TO JOIN HIM....
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| 01:33:30 |
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WHEN WE SEE THEIR PAINTINGS HERE, WHAT YEAR IN THEIR LIFE WERE THESE PAINTED, DO YOU KNOW? >> THIS ONE WAS 1887 -- 1807, AFTER THE EXPEDITION. >> IF...
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| 01:33:47 |
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IN EACH OF THESE TWO MEN? >> FROM THEIR WRITINGS IT SHOWS
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| 01:33:51 |
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LEWIS AS MORE -- HE'S MORE REFLECTIVE, MORE WHAT THEY CALL AN INTROVERT ON DESCRIBING
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| 01:34:00 |
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AND HE'S MUCH MORE REFLECTIVE, A LITTLE
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| 01:34:03 |
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BIT MOODY IS WHAT I GET FROM HIS WRITINGS. CLARK, MORE OUTGOING. YOU CAN KIND OF PICTURE HIM HAVING A BEER WITH
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| 01:34:10 |
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THE GUYS EXPITTING AROUND JOKING WITH THEM. HE'S A LITTLE MORE OUTGOING. HIS WRITING IS MORE CHOPPY, NOT AS FLUENT AND FLOWY. >> WE ESTABLISHED WHEN...
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| 01:34:41 |
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TO GO FROM THE MISSOURI RIVER TO THE HEAD WATERS, UP AND OVER WHAT THEY CALLED THE STONY MOUNTAINS AT THE TIME, AND THEN CATCH THE HEAD WATERS
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| 01:34:49 |
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OF THE COLUMBIA
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| 01:34:50 |
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AND OUT. SO THEIR IDEA WAS PRETTY SIMPLE PORTAGE OVER.
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| 01:34:54 |
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THE TOP MAC IS NICHOLAS KINGS' MAP, WHICH IS WHAT THEY KNEW AND THE MAP THEY CARRIED WITH THEM. THE MAPS BELOW ARE CLARK'S MAPS. THIS IS ZRECTLY ATCH...
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| 01:35:28 |
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WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO
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| 01:35:30 |
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TALK ABOUT? CALLER: I WAS HOPING TO GET A HOLD OF JAMES RHONDA A MINUTE AGO WHEN YOU HAD HIM ON, AND ASK HIM ABOUT HIS THOUGHTS OF ALEXANDER TOM'S...
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| 01:35:40 |
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CLARK. >> OK. WE'RE GOING TO TALK WITH HIM AGAIN. HE HAS ALREADY COMMENTED ON THAT, BUT WE'LL GET A CHANCE TO GET HIS REMARKS ON THAT AGAIN
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| 01:35:47 |
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OF. LET'S GO ON ON THE PHONE. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT BOOK, TOM'S BOOK? >> NOT HIS NEWEST ONE. THERE'S SCIENTOCER, WHICH I HAVEN'T READ YET AND
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| 01:36:01 |
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THERE'S THE ONE ABOUT CLARK AND HIS FAMILY AND GEORGE ROGERS, WHICH IS "SEA TO SHINING SEA." >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE, BY THE WAY? >> I'VE BEEN...
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| 01:36:14 |
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EXPERT? >> DEPENDS ON HOW MANY QUESTIONS WE GET. WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS SO WE'RE ALWAYS CHECKING AND READING. >> HAVE YOU READ THE DIARIES YOURSELF?...
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| 01:36:26 |
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COVERED THEM ALL. >> DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE PART OF THE DIARIES
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| 01:36:29 |
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YOU LIKE? >>
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| 01:36:31 |
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FORT CLATSOP. >> LET'S GO TO BILLINGS, MONTANA,
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| 01:36:35 |
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GOOD MORNING, YOU'RE ON WITH JOANNE HARDING. CALLER: HELLO.
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| 01:36:39 |
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I'M INTERESTED IN THE DIFFERENT SPECIES OF FISH THAT THE GROUP
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| 01:36:42 |
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CAUGHT ALONG THE WAY. AND MORE PARTICULARLY,
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| 01:36:48 |
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THE WALLEYE, HOW FAR UP THE RIVER DID THEY CATCH THAT PARTICULAR KIND
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| 01:36:52 |
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OF FISH? DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT OR IS
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| 01:36:54 |
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IT IN ANY OF THE JOURNALS? >> JOANNE HARDING? >> I'M NOT SURE IF THE WALLEYE IS ACTUALLY DOCUMENTED IN THE JOURNALS. I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK...
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| 01:37:17 |
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ARE THESE INCREDIBLY LARGE CATFISH
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| 01:37:19 |
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WHEN THEY'RE COMING DOWN -- WELL, AS SOON AS THEY GET UP IN THE MOUNTAINS, THEY'RE STARTING TO GET TROUT, WHEN THEY COME DOWN THE COLUMBIA RIVER, THEY'RE...
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| 01:38:14 |
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MOUNTAINS THERE? >> THE DIRECT ROUTE OVER FROM THE GREAT FALLS, AFTER THEY CROSSED THE GREAT FALLS, THEY DROPPED TOWN TO WHAT WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE
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| 01:38:25 |
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MISSOURI RIVER, WHAT WOULD BE THREE FORKS, MONTANA, FOLLOWED THE JEFFERSON, THEN THEY WENT UP FROM THE JEFFERSON TO THE BEAVER HEAD. BASICALLY BY THEN...
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| 01:38:38 |
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FROM THE SHOSH SHOWN ANIES, WENT BASICALLY UP THROUGH THE PASS THROUGH THE BITTER ROOTS AND ACROSS. AND THEN THEY CAME OUT AND FOLLOWING BASICALLY...
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| 01:39:20 |
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THERE. THE TIME OF THEIR CROSSING, ALL THE FOOD, ELK, DEER, HAD GONE D/ a/@@ @ HA)@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @
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| 01:39:26 |
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nSA)>A&@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ H@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ DA,@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ 4@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @...
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| 01:40:14 |
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THE JEFFERSON PIECEMIDDLE.
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| 01:40:17 |
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JEFFERSON PIECE MEDALS ARE ONE OF THE INDIAN PRESENTS THEY HANDED OUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE THEY IDENTIFIED AS THE CHIEFS. AND IT WAS A SYMBOL OF PEACE...
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| 01:40:27 |
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YOU NOTICE REALLY CLOSE ON THE PIECE MEDAL, IT'S PRESIDENT JEFFERSON ON
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| 01:40:32 |
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THE FRONT SIDE ORNINGS THE BACKSIDE IT'S A HANDSHAKE IT. SAYS PEACE AND FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS A PEACE PIPE OVER A TOMAHAWK. SO IT'S A SYMBOL OF DIPLOMACY....
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| 01:41:04 |
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THE SIOUX CONTROLLED A MONOPOLY OF THE MISSOURI RIVER AND THE SIOUX KNEW IF THE EXPEDITION WAS TO GET PAST THEM, THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE
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| 01:41:10 |
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THAT MONOPOLY, AND SO THERE
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| 01:41:12 |
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WERE SOME TENSE MOMENTS IN THERE.
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| 01:41:14 |
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MAN DANCE, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST RELATIONSHIPS WAS WITH THE MAN
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| 01:41:18 |
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DANCE PEOPLE. >> LET'S SHOW WHERE THE MANDAN AREA IS. >> IT'S
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| 01:41:22 |
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UP HERE. >> FORT MANDAN. WHEN DID IT BECOME A FORT? >> WHEN LEWIS AND CLARK GOT THERE AND BUILT THEIR FORT. THEY NAMED IT AFTER THE FOLKS THAT THEY...
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| 01:41:40 |
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THAT YOU DIDN'T ANSWER
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| 01:41:42 |
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| 01:41:43 |
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REGARDING MERIWETHER LEWIS' DEATH AND THERE
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| 01:41:46 |
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WAS A BOOK, A GOOD ONE, CONCERNING JEFFERSON'S INVOLVEMENT
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| 01:41:51 |
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WITH MERIWETHER LEWIS' DEATH. THE OPINION THIS THE BORK IS THAT THEY WERE MURDERED. I'M NOT SURE GOING INTO THIS, BUT THERE WAS A VERY GOOD BOOK ON THAT...
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| 01:42:21 |
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LEAN TOWARDS SUICIDE. >> AT WHAT POINT IN HIS LIFE DID HE COMMIT SUICIDE, IF THAT'S WHAT HE DID. ? >> IT WOULD BE AFTER THE EXPEDITION. IT WAS ON THE...
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| 01:42:31 |
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THE TIME, DO YOU REMEMBER? >> HE WAS ABOUT 36. >> WAS IT A BIG -- WAS IT A BIG STORY THEN, DO YOU KNOW? IN THE COUNTRY. >> IN THE COUNTRY, I'M NOT...
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| 01:42:43 |
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OF COURSE, PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM, FOR JEFFERSON AND THOSE FOLKS. >> LET'S
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| 01:42:47 |
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TAKE A CALL FROM HARLAN, KENTUCKY. BY THE WAY, I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU
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| 01:42:51 |
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HERE AND GO OUTSIDE. GO AHEAD,
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| 01:42:53 |
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HARLAN, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. CALLER: OK.
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| 01:42:55 |
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IN REGARD TO THE BOAT THAT
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| 01:42:59 |
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LEWIS HAD BUILT, ON THEIR EXPEDITION, HE HAD TO ABANDON THAT BOAT. IT WAS MADE OUT OF METAL AND WAS COLLAPSIBLE. WHATEVER
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| 01:43:08 |
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HAPPENED TO IT? DOES ANYONE KNOW? I'LL GET OFF THE PHONE AND LET YOU COMMENT. >> DO YOU KNOW, JILL HARDING? JIM, DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE BOAT? >> SURE,...
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| 01:43:36 |
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AT THE HARPER'S FERRY ARSENAL. THEY BRING IT UP TO THE GREAT FALLS, ATTEMPT TO USE IT THERE. THEY CAN'T MAKE
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| 01:43:42 |
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IT FLOAT. THEY HAVEN'T PREPARED IT CORRECTLY, SO THAT'S THE FRAME OF AN IRON BOAT THAT'S ABANDONED. SO THERE ARE REALLY TWO DIFFERENT BOATS THAT...
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| 01:44:13 |
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THAT MERIWETHER LEWIS
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| 01:44:16 |
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COMMITTED SUICIDE. WE HAVE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS
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| 01:44:18 |
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FOR THAT. WE HAVE THE
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| 01:44:19 |
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LETTERS THAT HE WRITES IN THE DAYS LEADING UP TO HIS JOURNEY BACK TO WASHINGTON, D.C. SO I THINK AMONG SCHOLARS, THERE IS A PRETTY STRONG CONSENSUS THAT...
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| 01:45:00 |
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WOULD TALK ABOUT A MEDIA FRENZY TODAY. >> CAN YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU FIRST GOT
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| 01:45:04 |
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INTERESTED IN THE LEWIS AND CLARK PIECE? >> YEAH, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE 1970'S. I READ A SINGLE BOOK BY JOHN LOGAN ALLEN, A BOOK CALLED "PASSAGE THROUGH...
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| 01:45:23 |
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BOOK AND THOUGHT, GOODNESS, THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING I'D LIKE TO WRITE ABOUT, THAT
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| 01:45:27 |
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I'D LIKE TO KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT. SO BOOKS DO CHANGE PEOPLE'S LIVES. >> LET'S TAKE A CALL AS WE WALKBACK OUT TO THE FORT AREA FROM THOMPSON FALLS,...
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| 01:45:52 |
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THOMPSON, THE CANADIAN EXPLORER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. AND IT'S ON THE CLARK FORK RIVER, WHICH IS, OF COURSE, NAMED AFTER WILLIAM CLARK. AND...
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| 01:46:07 |
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THAT THEY CAME IN CONTACT WITH WERE EITHER TOTALLY SUBJUGATED OR WIPED OUT BY DISEASE. AND IT'S SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FASCINATED WITH, PARTICULARLY...
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| 01:46:45 |
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LIKE
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| 01:46:47 |
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SMALLPOX, INFLUENZA, WHOOPING COUGH, MUMPS, MEASLES, DIPHTHERIA. AND THEY WIPE OUT WHOLE POPULATIONS. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF NATIVE PEOPLE DIE OF THOSE...
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| 01:47:39 |
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LOUIS, AND I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT HE WAS AS SUCCESSFUL AS LEWIS WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN BEING A GOVERNOR HERE AND LIVING A LONG LIFE AND GETTING...
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| 01:48:45 |
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SUCCESSFUL IN THE WAY THAT MERIWETHER LEWIS IS NOT SUCCESSFUL. HE BUILDS THE FIRST MUSEUM THAT LOOKS AT NATIVE CULTURES WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI IN...
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| 01:50:24 |
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WOULD PLUNGE INTO THE MOLTEN EDITION, BUT IF I LIVED ALONG THE TRAIL, I THINK I WOULD GO AND READ THOSE ENTRIES
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| 01:50:30 |
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THAT CONNECT TO WHERE I LIVE. I MIGHT READ JOHN LOGAN ALLEN'S BOOK ON LEWIS AND CLARK AS GEE GRAFFERS, I WOULD LOOK AT STEPHEN AMBROSE'S "UNDAUNTED...
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| 01:51:16 |
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CALLER: YES, I'M DOING A HISTORY PROJECT ON THE LEWIS AND CLARK EXPEDITION. I WAS WONDERING HOW WOULD YOU
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| 01:51:22 |
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SAY THE LEWIS AND CLARK EXPEDITION WAS A FRONTIER HISTORY? >> WELL, IT CERTAINLY IS PART OF THE EXPANSION OF AN AMERICAN EMPIRE INTO THE WEST. AND OUR...
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| 01:51:31 |
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HAS BEEN FOR SO LONG A FRONTIER ON WESTERN
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| 01:51:35 |
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HISTORY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE UNITED STATES EXPANDS ITSELF BEYOND THE WIDE MISSOURI, AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT US AS A WESTERING PEOPLE,...
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| 01:51:46 |
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ONE OF THE PLACES THAT YOU CAN BEGIN THE STORY. ONE OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT THE LEWIS AND CLARK STORY IS THAT IT REALLY IS MANY STORIES WITH...
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| 01:52:31 |
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RECORD, AND WHETHER LEWIS IS KEEPING THE RECORD OR CLARK IS KEEPING THE RECORD IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THAT THERE IS A RECORD. WE'RE NOT DEALING HERE...
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| 01:52:42 |
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TO MAKE A RECORD OF WHAT WE FIND AND WHAT WE ENCOUNTER DAY BY DAY. >> WHAT TIME OF DAY DID THEY WRITE? EXCUSE ME, I'VE BEEN STANDING OUT HERE IN THE...
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| 01:53:07 |
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AND THEN THEY'RE RETROSPECTIVELY WRITING. >> HERE'S FROM JULY
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| 01:53:12 |
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OF 1805. "-- >>
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| 01:53:32 |
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LEWIS AND CLARK NEED TO GET ACROSS THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS. THEY'VE COME TO THE END OF THE WATER HIGHWAY THAT IS THE MISSOURI RIVER. THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT...
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| 01:53:54 |
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ACROSS THE CONTINENTAL DIVIDE. NOW, WHEN THEY GET TO THE DIVIDE, THEY EXPECT TO LOOK OUT OVER THE MOUNTAINS AND TO SEE RIVERS THAT WILL TAKE THEM...
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| 01:55:15 |
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BEFORE LEWIS AND CLARK GET HERE, AND AMONG THEMSELVES, FOR HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS
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| 01:55:21 |
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OF YEARS, AND CLARK LATER ON, YOU KNOW, NOTICES THAT THESE PEOPLE NEVER CLOSE A DEAL UNLESS IT'S IN THEIR FAVOR. THEY DID A LOT OF TRADING WITH THE...
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| 01:56:12 |
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IT? >> WELL, IT'S LEWIS AND CLARK. AND BECAUSE OF THIS WRITING
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| 01:56:15 |
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IN THEIR JOURNALS, THEY GIVE US THIS FIRST, VERY INTELLIGENT AND DETAILED GLIMPSE AT
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| 01:56:22 |
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OUR AREA. YOU KNOW, THEIR STUDY OF THIS AREA, OF THE INDIANS, OF THE NATURAL
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| 01:56:26 |
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WORLD, THEY TELL US WHAT WAS HERE
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| 01:56:29 |
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BEFORE LOTS OF CHANGES, THE SIZE OF THE TREES, THE
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| 01:56:33 |
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WILDLIFE, THE CONDORS THAT WERE HERE. THERE USED TO BE CALIFORNIA CONDORS HERE, THEIR MEASURING OUT THEIR WINGS, NINE FEET FROM TIP TO TIP. IT LETS...
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| 01:57:07 |
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LEWIS AND CLARK CAME DOWN THE COLUMBIA RIVER AND BUILT THIS FORT HERE WHERE THEY SPENT THE WINTER, HOWEVER, PRIOR TO COMING HERE,
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| 01:57:14 |
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THEY DESCENDED DOWN JUST OPPOSITE THIS, DOWN THE NORTHERN SHORE OF THE COLUMBIA, SPENT 18 DAYS THERE, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY DECIDED WHERE TO WINTER AND...
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| 01:57:46 |
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TO GO LOOK AT THIS. EIGHT DAYS LATER, ONE OF THE MEN CAME AND SAID THIS STUFF IS DELICIOUS, THEY GAVE IT TO US FROM THE SALT CAMP. SO CLARK TOOK OFF...
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| 01:57:59 |
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DOWN THE COAST OF OREGON, SOUTH AND ARRIVED AT THIS ECOLA PARK AND WAS ABLE TO PURCHASE WHALE. AND THERE WAS ABOUT 300 POUNDS OF MEAT AND OIL TO BRING...
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| 01:58:43 |
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OF THIS NATURE WOULD HAVE HAPPENED, AND ALSO,
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| 01:58:45 |
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PERHAPS, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN BY A DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE? WHAT'S YOUR FEELINGS OR THOUGHTS ON THAT? THANK YOU. AND I'LL HANG UP. >> OH, MY. I CERTAINLY...
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| 01:59:12 |
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THE WEST. AND SO IF IT WASN'T LEWIS AND CLARK, IT WAS GOING TO BE SOMEONE ELSE. I ALSO THINK THERE IS THAT GROWING PRESENCE IN AMERI TIME FUR TRADE....
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| 02:00:02 |
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LIVES. I'M WONDERING MORE ABOUT THE END OF THE JOURNEY. WHEN LEWIS AND CLARK
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| 02:00:06 |
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GET BACK TO WASHINGTON, D.C. AND REPORT TO PRESIDENT JEFFERSON, WHAT WAS THE REACTION TO THAT? HOW WAS IT RECEIVED BY THE REST OF THE COUNTRY OR THE
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| 02:00:16 |
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CONGRESS? AND JUST WHAT WAS THE END OF THE JOURNEY LIKE? THANK YOU. >> WELL, JEFFERSON TELLS THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES THAT LEWIS AND CLARK...
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| 02:00:43 |
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NOT THERE. WELL, HOW DO YOU TELL THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THAT HIS GEOGRAPHY JUST DOESN'T SQUARE WITH REALITY? I THINK WITHIN A YEAR OR SO,...
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| 02:02:22 |
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DO YOU KNOW? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STORY IS. >> LET ME ASK REX ZIAK. WHAT WERE THE CLATSOP INDIANS LIKE?...
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| 02:02:42 |
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THE RUMORS OF THEIR
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| 02:02:44 |
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DISTINCTION HAVE BEEN GROSSLY EXAGGERATED, THERE ARE 1,800, 1,900 CHINOOKS, AS I UNDERSTAND
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| 02:02:50 |
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IT, THAT CAN TRACE THEIR ANCESTRY BACK TO THIS TIME OF LEWIS AND CLARK. THEY ARE NOW FIGHTING AND STRUGGLING
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| 02:02:56 |
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TO GET FEDERAL RECOGNITION AS A TRIBE, THE CHINOOKS ARE AND THE
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| 02:03:00 |
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CLATSOPS ARE PART OF THEM. >> WHAT DID THEY THINK OF MERIWETHER LEWIS AND WILLIAM CLARK TAKING OVER THEIR AREA? >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD...
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| 02:03:22 |
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KNOW, SAILING PEOPLE HAD BEEN COMING HERE FOR 13 YEARS PRIOR TO THE LEWIS AND
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| 02:03:27 |
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CLARK. IN FACT, AMONG THE CLATSOPS INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IS ABOUT A 25-YEAR-OLD MAN, INDIAN MAN, FRECKLES, REDEST HAIR THAT PATRICK GAHST HAD EVER...
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| 02:04:10 |
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CLATSOP WERE QUITE CONFUSED ABOUT THE ARRIVAL OF LEWIS AND CLARK. THEY COME FROM THE WRONG DIRECTION, THEY'RE PLAINLY NOT MERRY TIME TRADERS AND THEY...
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| 02:05:56 |
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YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF FRAN STRIKER, YOU'VE MISSED THE LOT. >> YES. >> SHALL WE LEAVE IT AT THAT? >> NO, NO, WE SHOULD TELL THEM THE REST. >> WHO...
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| 02:06:20 |
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PRESTON OF THE UKE CON. >>
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| 02:06:21 |
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YOU SAW DONALD STRIKER
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| 02:06:23 |
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EARLIER MAKING CANLEDLES EARLIER AND HE WAS HELPING US OUT TODAY.
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| 02:06:26 |
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WE WANT TO THANK RON TYSON, ALSO, THE FORT CLATSOP
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TECHNICAL SUPPORT UNALT. LET'S TAKE A CALL. THE NEXT CITY IS A FAMOUS CITY IN C-SPAN'S HISTORY. IT'S WHERE WE TOOK OUR FIRST PHONE CALL WHEN THE CALL-IN...
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| 02:06:42 |
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OH, MY. JINKSE IT'S YANKTON. >> AN IMPORTANT CITY FOR LEWIS AND CLARK. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I'M WITH LEWISANDCLARK.COM. WE DID RESEARCH ON THE BEACHED...
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| 02:07:03 |
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AND WE WERE DOING SOME RESEARCH BACK IN JANUARY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
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| 02:07:07 |
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WAS THIS, A BLUE WHALE, A GRAY WHALE, BECAUSE THE MIGRATION OF THE BLUE WHALES DON'T COME THAT FAR UP THE COASTAL WATERS. AND WE KNOW THAT SCHOLARS...
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| 02:07:49 |
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ABOUT THAT, AND WE'D CERTAINLY BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING SOME MORE. >> REX, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT A BILL CLARK ENTRY, WHY DON'T WE GO INTO THE FORT...
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| 02:08:14 |
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EACH OF US -- >>
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| 02:08:19 |
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| 02:08:25 |
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WELL, JAMES RONDA JUST DESCRIBED THAT INCIDENT, AS A MATTER OF FACT, OF THAT -- THESE TWO -- CLATSOPS, AS I RECALL, CAME HERE WITH TWO WOMEN, TRIED TO...
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| 02:08:51 |
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REJECTION. >> WHAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU, THOUGH, WAS WHAT DID THE MEN DO ABOUT THEIR WOMEN RELATIONSHIP ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY? >> WELL, THERE...
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| 02:09:12 |
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GIRLS AS PROSTITUTES FOR THE MEN. AND THEY CAME ON THE 21ST OF NOVEMBER. AND CLARK ACTUALLY CUT UP SOME RIBBON TO GIVE TO
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| 02:09:20 |
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THESE MEN TO USE SO THEY WOULDN'T GIVE AWAY THEIR KNIVES IN EXCHANGE FOR THE SEXUAL FAVORS WITH THESE WOMEN. AND BECAUSE OF THAT CONTACT, AND BECAUSE...
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| 02:10:09 |
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MEANS IN DIFFERENT CULTURAL SETTINGS. ON THE NORTHERN PLAINS, IT'S A WAY TO TRANSMIT POWER AND INFLUENCE. HERE, IT'S A WAY TO SEAL COMMERCIAL BARGAINS....
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| 02:11:23 |
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TO AMERICANWRITERS.ORG OR GO
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| 02:11:26 |
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TO C-SPAN.ORG AND FIND THIS MATERIAL ANYTIME YOU WANT TO. A LOT OF THE MATERIAL IS THERE TO RETRIEVE OF THE A LOT OF THE VIDEO WILL BE THERE IN THE
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| 02:11:32 |
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FUTURE TO RETRIEVE. AGAIN, WRITE THAT DOWN, AMERICANWRITERS.ORG. BRENTWOOD, CALIFORNIA, YOU'RE NEXT, GO AHEAD, PLEASE, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. CALLER: YEAH,...
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| 02:12:50 |
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THE WISCONSIN STATE HISTORICAL SOCIETY
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| 02:12:53 |
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ARCHIVES. WE DON'T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT THAT STORY, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THAT STORY DOES EXIST IN NES PURSE ORAL TRADITION AND REMAINS SO TODAY....
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| 02:13:54 |
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UP ON THE SHORE,
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| 02:13:55 |
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SO IT COULD HAVE
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| 02:13:56 |
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BEEN POSSIBLY A BLUE WHALE ALSO. BUT WE STILL DON'T KNOW EITHER WAY, THAT OR IF IT WAS MISMEASUREMENT. >> DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS
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| 02:14:03 |
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VISIT HERE EVERY YEAR? >> RIGHT NOW, OUR VISITATION IS 200,000 AND CLIMBING. >> AND DO YOU -- CAN YOU TELL US SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ALMOST ARE...
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| 02:14:22 |
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QUESTIONS WE'VE BEEN GETTING IN THE CALLS TODAY, A LOT OF THE SAME ONES. >> AND
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| 02:14:26 |
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REX ZIAK, SIKAGAWEA, FOR THOSE USED
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| 02:14:30 |
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TO PRONOUNCING IT -- I CAN'T PRONOUNCE IT THE OLD WAY. SACAJAWEA, WHY DO PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS DEFINITELY GO
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| 02:14:39 |
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TO THE SACAJAWEA PRONUNCIATION? >> SHE'S JUST A FASCINATING PERSON. I QUITE FRANKLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION FOR DRUIARD'S NAME
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| 02:14:49 |
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AND KRUSATH AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE ALONG THE PART, SOME OF THE CHIEFS. THERE'S LEWIS AND CLARK WRITE OFTEN PHONETICALLY. AND THEIR SPELLINGS VARIED. ...
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| 02:15:03 |
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WAS THE ACCENT, WHAT LETTER WAS HARD, WHAT WAS SOFT? IT'S A MYSTERY. >> LET ME TAKE A CALL AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. WE'RE ONLY ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES...
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| 02:15:27 |
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INDIAN GUIDES WHO MADE THIS TRIP WEST OFTEN AND EARLIER THAN LEWIS AND CLARK, KIND OF
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| 02:15:32 |
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PAVING THE WAY
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| 02:15:33 |
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BOTH GEOGRAPHICALLY AND WITH THE INDIANS TRIBES. I NEVER HEAR ANY MENTION OF THEM WHO CAME MUCH EARLIER AND MADE THE TRIP FOR LEWIS AND CLARK EASIER...
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| 02:16:05 |
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THAT FRENCH-CANADIAN
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| 02:16:10 |
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INFORMATION LURED GEOGRAPHIC UNDERSTANDING IS CERTAINLY PART BEHALF LEWIS AND CLARK TAP INTO FIRST AT ST. LOUIS AND THEN AT FORT MANDAN. SO THERE'S A...
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| 02:16:55 |
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YOU SEE CANADIAN FLAGS
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| 02:16:57 |
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AROUND HERE, AND IT IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY FROM CANADA? >> WE HAVE LOTS
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| 02:17:02 |
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OF CANADIAN
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| 02:17:04 |
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VISITORS DOWN HERE. WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON WITH THE
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| 02:17:07 |
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PEOPLE IN VANCOUVER BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE SAME SORT OF HISTORICAL ROOTS, BUT I
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| 02:17:12 |
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DON'T THEY WHAT THEY'RE
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| 02:17:14 |
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THINKING WHEN THEY COME HERE. >> THE LONG BEACH
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| 02:17:17 |
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AREA, WHAT'S THAT, DID THIS GROUP GO OVER TO THAT AREA? >> YES. THEY FIRST DESCEND DOWN THE
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| 02:17:23 |
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COLUMBIA RIVER ON THE NORTHERN SIDE, CATCH FOR 10 DAYS ON THE OPPOSITE SHORE HERE. AND CLARK, ON NOVEMBER 18TH, MAKES A THREE-DAY HE'S CURGS UP THE LONG...
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| 02:17:37 |
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PENINSULA, -- ESCURSION UP
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| 02:17:41 |
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THE LONG BEACH PENINSULA. THAT IS THEIR FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH THE OPEN OCEAN. >> WE HAVE A CALL FROM LONG BEACH. GO AHEAD. CALLER: WE HEARD RUMBLINGS...
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| 02:18:08 |
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MISSOURI RIVER AND WHAT STREAM CONNECTS WITH IT TO THE PACIFIC OCEAN. IN FOLLOWING HIS ORDERS, THEY COME DOWN THE COLUMBIA RIVER, THEY ROUND THE LAST...
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| 02:18:22 |
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MOUTH. THEY MENTIONED ONE CALLED
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| 02:18:25 |
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STATION CAMP, AND THERE THE PARTY REMAINS FOR 10 DAYS, EXPLORES FURTHER DOWN TO THE OCEAN, AND IT IS AT THAT SPOT WHERE TWO MEMBERS OF THE PARTY BOTH...
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| 02:19:27 |
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BECOMES THE GOVERNOR OF THE TERRITORY, HE'S THE CREATOR OF THE FIRST AMERICAN HUMAN IN THE WEST, HE'S THE ONE THAT MAKES SURE THAT THE LEWIS AND CLARK...
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| 02:19:41 |
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LEWIS IS GONE IN 1809 AT WHAT AGE? >> HE'S BORN IN 1774, DIES IN 1809. >> LET'S TAKE OUR LAST CALL FOR THE PROGRAM FROM COLUMBUS, OHIO. GO AHEAD, COLUMBUS,...
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| 02:20:03 |
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COUPLE OF TRIBES
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| 02:20:07 |
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THAT DIDN'T LIKE THEM BEING THERE. >>
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| 02:20:10 |
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THEY LOSE NO PEOPLE TO HOSTILE INDIANS. THEY LOSE ONE MAN ON THE EXPEDITION, AND THAT IS TO APPENDICITIS. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE EXPEDITION KILLS TWO...
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| 02:20:31 |
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ENGAGED WITH THE INTEDIANS IN THE WEST. -- INDIANS IN THE WEST. >> THANKS TO MARK FARKUS WHO IS THE PRODUCER ON THE PROGRAM AND ERIK HANSON WHO DID A...
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| 02:21:00 |
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JORDAN STARTED, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE -- WHEN THE VOYAGE STARTED AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED. >> IT STARTED IN 1803. THEY CAME OUT HERE TO FORT...
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| 02:21:15 |
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OF 1805 AND
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| 02:21:17 |
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1806, AND IN SIX MONTHS THEY MADE IT BACK TO THE ST. LOUIS AREA, SO TWO YEARS, FOUR MONTHS AND 10 DAYS, AN INCREDIBLE JOURNEY. >> THE PRESIDENT, THOMAS...
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| 02:21:31 |
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THEM TO DO WHAT AND FOR WHAT REASON? >> HE WANTS THEM TO FIND THE WATER PASSAGE FROM ATLANTIC TO PACIFIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMMERCE, THAT MEANS MORE...
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| 02:21:49 |
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LAND. HIS VISION IS KIND OF GARDEN OF EDEN IN THE WEST. THE IMMEDIATE PURPOSE
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| 02:21:54 |
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IS TO FIND THE WATER PASSAGE. IN THAT JEFFERSON WAS DISAPPOINTED. IN ONE LEVEL IT WAS A FAILURE. BUT ON ANOTHER LEVEL, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF AN...
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| 02:22:41 |
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RETURN. >> WHAT ROLE -- WHEN WAS THE
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| 02:22:43 |
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FIRST DIARY PUBLISHED? >> THE FIRST JOURNALS ARE PUBLISHED IN A -- IN A REWRITTEN FORM IN 1814 IN A LIMITED EDITION, THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 2,000 COPIES...
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| 02:23:02 |
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FROM PUBLIC
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| 02:23:05 |
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VIEW. BUT THEIR WORDS DON'T APPEAR IN THE PUBLIC MIND REALLY UNTIL 1814. NOW, PATRICK GAS' JOURNAL IS PUBLISHED A BIT EARLIER THAN THAT. THE OFFICIAL...
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| 02:23:55 |
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THEM WITH A BASIC BACK BONE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE, HOW BIG ARE THESE
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| 02:24:00 |
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MOUNTAINS, WHERE DO THESE RIVERS GO? ANYBODY WHO FOLLOWS THEM FRL THIS INFORMATION WOULD THEN -- FROM THIS INFORMATION WOULD -- FROM THIS
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| 02:24:09 |
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INFORMATION WOULD THEN FOLLOW THEM. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ON HOW
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| 02:24:13 |
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TO MAKE THIS TRIP ON A YEARLY BASIS? >> WHEN WE MADE THIS TRIP, WE FOUND ALMOST NO ONE FOLLOWING THE TRAIL, AND BY NOW THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF FOLKS EVERY...
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| 02:24:32 |
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FOLLOW FOR OURSELVES -- THIS IS A STORY WE CAN FOLLOW FOR OURSELVES.
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| 02:24:38 |
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THIS IS THE EMBLEMIC AMERICAN JOURNEY. >> THOMAS JEFFERSON SAID WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THIS WHEN IT WAS OVER? >> HE SAID THAT IT WAS A REMARKABLE UNDERTAKING,...
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| 02:25:03 |
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CALLERS WHO ARE SO IMPORTANT FOR MAKING TO COME TO
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| 02:25:07 |
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LIFE. AND THANK YOU TO OUR GUESTS, AND, OF COURSE, MATT HENSLEY EARLIER ON. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, AND HAVE A GOOD
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| 02:25:20 |
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DAY. >> ON JANUARY 18, 1803 PRESIDENT THOMAS JEFFERSON WROTE A CONFIDENTIAL LETTER TO CONGRESS REQUESTING FUNDS FOR EXPLORING THE LANDS WEST OF
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.