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WHATEVER CAME INTO IT. IT WAS ONE OF THOSE
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MINDS THAT RANGES OVER ALL POSSIBLE SUBJECTS, GREAT READER, AND HAVING THINGS TRANSLATED INTO CHINESE. AND ONE DAY, IT MUST HAVE POPPED INTO HIS MIND...
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SOMETIME IN THE EARLY 1980'S. HE HAD BEEN LEADER OF THE COMMUNIST YOUTH ORGANIZATION. HE'D BEEN AN
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ALLY OF DANG XIAO PING SINCE EARLIEST TIMES. WHEN HE FELL DURING THE CULTURAL REVOLUTION AND WAS PUT INTO CUSTODY AND PARADED AROUND WITH A DUNCE CAP...
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ACTIVITY DURING THE TIANANMEN
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AFFAIR, AND WE HAD WHAT HE CALLED AN AMERICAN DINNER. IT WASN'T AN AMERICAN DINNER AT ALL. IT BEGAN WITH HE IS CARGO -- ESCARGOT. HE WAS VERY PROUD...
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BANG'S TASTES, BUT HE OBVIOUSLY LIKED HAVING AN IDEA MAN, AN ACTION MAN WITH HIM TO STIMULATE THE IDEAS OF THE ELDERS, WHO OFTEN WERE SLOW ON PICKING...
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THINGS. HE SHARED A PERSONALITY IN A SENSE WITH DANG XIAO PINNING BECAUSE WHILE HE'S DONE SOME VERY BAD THINGS LATELY IN CONNECTION WITH THE MASSACRE,...
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BOTH AVAILABLE BECAUSE HE WANTED THIS BOOK AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. I WROTE IT VERY RAPIDLY. HE PUBLISHED IT VERY RAPIDLY. IT...
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IN PUBLISHING. >> AND THIS BOOK IS 176 PAGES LONG. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A PERSONAL THING WITH YOU BEFORE WE START OUT BECAUSE ONE...
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AND
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I BEFORE WE WENT ON THE CAMERA,
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I ASKED HOW OLD YOU WERE AND YOU TOLD ME YOU'RE 80. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AT 80 YEARS OLD HOW DO YOU GET THE ENERGY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? AND SOMETHING...
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HAVE TO WRITE VERY, VERY
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RAPIDLY. THEY DON'T -- OFTEN WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TIME TO WRITE THE STORY. WE HAD TO DICTATE IT WITHOUT EVEN WRITING IT. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN USED TO WORKING
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| 00:11:09 |
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HARD, AND WORKING VERY RAPIDLY. AND PERHAPS IT BECOMES INGRAINED AFTER YEARS AND YEARS. IT BECOMES A HABIT, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD HABIT, AND IT...
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BEIJING. THE STUDENTS HAD BEEN IN THE SQUARE SINCE THE 15TH OF APRIL OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER. BUT I WASN'T GOING OVER THERE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH...
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ON A
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DOCUMENTARY WHICH
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WOULD DEAL WITH THE 40 YEARS OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC, WHICH WILL BE CELEBRATED, THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY WILL BE CELEBRATED ON THE 1st OF OCTOBER, AND...
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THEY WANTED SOMEBODY WHO HAD SOME BACKGROUND AND WHO COULD TREAT
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CHINA FROM AN HISTORICAL BASIS. THEY DIDN'T WANT SIMPLY SPOT REPORTING. THEY HAVE VERY GOOD REPORTERS OF THEIR OWN. THEY WANTED SOMEBODY WHO COULD...
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BACK OF
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THAT BOOK, BUT IT WAS WITH THE STUDENT DEMONSTRATORS, WHICH WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE IN THE 40 YEARS OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC AT ALL. BUT WE DID PUT...
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| 00:19:42 |
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MORE TO CHINA THAN TO RUSSIA IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME
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BECAUSE CHINA HAS SORT OF COME FRONT AND CENTER, AS IT WAS EVEN BEFORE
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| 00:19:50 |
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THAT TIME. I SPENT MORE OF MY TIME ON THE CHINESE SIDE THAN ON THE RUSSIAN SIDE. I SUPPOSE I'VE WRITTEN -- LET ME SEE. I'VE WRITTEN TWO BOOKS OF MEMOIRS....
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YOU NORMALLY DO THAT? ARE THERE CERTAIN -- >> NORMALLY I DO
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THIS. I HAVE A PROJECT IN MIND. TAKE "THE LONG MARCH," WHICH IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT, AND I HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH IN THIS COUNTRY, WHICH IS IN THE...
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HAD BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT IT. I READ LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WORD THAT HAD BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT THE LONG MARCH. I INTERVIEWED IN THE UNITED STATES THOSE
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AMERICANS WHO HAD SOME PERIPHERAL CONNECTION WITH IT OR KNEW THE LEADERS OF THE MARCH OR SOMETHING OF THAT KIND. I READ UP SO THAT I KNEW WHO WERE...
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| 00:25:12 |
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CASE I DIDN'T USE THE TAPE RECORDER
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| 00:25:14 |
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VERY MUCH. I DIDN'T NEED TO. BUT I WOUND UP WITH, LET ME SEE. I WOUND UP WITH PROBABLY 12 OR 14 STANDARD SIZE NOTEBOOKS, VERY CLOSELY WRITTEN NOTES....
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| 00:26:45 |
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SLIGHT AMENDATION. ONE, I COPIED MY NOTES OFF, AND I DID COPY THESE NOTES OFF IN THE MANNER I DESCRIBED, QUITE RAPIDLY, BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE ABLE...
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| 00:26:59 |
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ANYTHING. I WAS JUST TRANSCRIBING FOR MY OWN INTEREST, WHAT AM I USING, BUT I QUICKLY REALIZED THAT INDEED THIS WOULD BE A BOOK AND IT HAD AN HISTORICAL...
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| 00:28:33 |
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ADRENALIN BEGINS TO FLOW. >> WHEN YOU GOT BACK,
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WHERE IS
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HOME? >> HOME IS UP IN NORTHWEST CONNECTICUT, RIGHT UP AT
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| 00:28:40 |
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THE BEGINNING OF THE BERKSHIRES. >> WHEN YOU WRITE, WHAT TIME OF DAY DO YOU WRI THE BEST? >> WELL, I THINK I WRITE THE BEST PROBABLY BETWEEN 4:00 ...
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THE HOUSEHOLD IS ALL ASLEEP, AND
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I HAVE THREE OR FOUR HOURS OF UNINTERRUPTED WORK BEFORE BREAKFAST. 6. >>
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AND THEN AFTER THAT, I CAN
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READ OVER WHAT I'VE DONE AND MAKE THE CORRECTIONS AND EDITING AND THEN GO AHEAD AND PLOW FORWARD AND DO WHAT LITTLE RESEARCH I MAY HAVE TO DO TO WRITE...
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| 00:29:25 |
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WILL GIVE PEOPLE A PRECISE ACCOUNT OF EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AT TIANANMEN. IT WILL GIVE THEM SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE FORCES AT WORK IN CHINESE SOCIETY...
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| 00:29:43 |
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THAT PROPELLED THE STUDENTS INTO WHAT AMOUNTED TO A
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| 00:29:46 |
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CRUSADE AS THEY WOULD HAVE PUT IT, TO IMPROVE THEIR KBOFT, NOT TO REBELL AGAINST IT OR ANYTHING ELSE, AND THE FORCES THAT STIMULATED WITHIN CHINESE...
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| 00:35:45 |
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IS IN THE FIRST PLACE WE'RE VERY CLOSE. NORMALLY WHEN WE GO, WHEN I GO TO CHINA, WE GO TOGETHER. IT'S A JOINT OPERATION. WHEN WE'RE IN THIS COUNTRY,...
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| 00:36:01 |
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WOULD PERCEIVE A SITUATION OF GREAT DANGER AND TURMOIL, I PICKED UP THE TELEPHONE, WHICH WAS LYING ON THE TABLE IN MY ROOM, WHEREVER I WAS IN CHINA,...
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| 00:37:08 |
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IT HAD SEEMED TO HER, HOW DID IT SEEM TO HER FRIENDS AND VARIOUS POINTS WHICH
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| 00:37:13 |
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STUCK IN HER MIND WHICH WE HADN'T DISCUSSED, AND THINGS WHICH PERHAPS I HADN'T KNOWN ABOUT. ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING ONES OF THESE WAS THE PHONE....
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| 00:40:16 |
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WE WERE REALLY PRISONERS IN THE HOTEL. WE GOT A CHINESE
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DRIVER WHO WAS VERY FAMILIAR
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WITH THE LITTLE
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ALLEYWAYS, THAT
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MAKE UP THE CENTRAL
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| 00:40:27 |
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PART OF BEIJING. WE MANAGED TO PEEK OUR WAY THROUGH THOSE BACK ALLEYS UNTIL WE MANAGERED TO GET A CLEAR HIGHWAY. THE REASON FOR THE DIFFICULTY WAS THERE...
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FILLED. THE CHINESE AIRLINES HAD, I
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THINK, A PRACTICE OF NOT FLYING UNTIL THEY'D SOLD EVERY SEAT ON THE PLANE, BUT THEY COULDN'T SELL THEM ALL NOW. >> WHAT WAS YOUR REASON FOR GOING OUT...
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| 00:42:04 |
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CITIES THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORY OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC, TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE IN VARIOUS -- THESE VARIOUS LOCATIONS. THE FIRST PLACE WE WENT...
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| 00:42:13 |
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WU HAN, WHERE THE FAMOUS BRIDGE ACROSS THE SEA HAD BEEN BUILT, AND WE FOUND THAT WU HAN HAD BEEN THE SCENE OF SOME VERY BIG MANIFESTATIONS. IN FACT,...
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| 00:44:38 |
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GOING ON. >> WHAT KIND OF A JOB DO YOU THINK THE BBC AND THE VOA
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| 00:44:41 |
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DO? >> I THINK THEY DID A MAGNIFICENT JOB. I WAS UTTERLY ASTOUNDED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING AT, SAY 4:00 A.M. OR 3:30 A.M. ON JUNE 4. I WAS IN MY HOTEL
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| 00:44:59 |
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ROOM AND JIANG EN AVENUE WAS
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| 00:45:02 |
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DARK. I COULD SEE MOVEMENT THERE. I COULD HEAR THE SHOOTING FROM TIANANMEN. I COULDN'T TELL AT THAT MOMENT WHETHER THE TROOPS HAD TAKEN OVER THE SQUARE,...
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| 00:47:37 |
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ABOUT." IT TURNED OUT WE HAD THE SAME IDEA, TIANANMEN DIARY. HE DIDN'T KNOW I KEPT
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| 00:47:42 |
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A DIARY BUT HE THOUGHT A BOOK ON THE SUBJECT, A QUICK BOOK, WOULD BE USEFUL, AND I THOUGHT SO ALSO. I SAID, "I'VE GOT IT HALF WRITTEN." HE SAID, "WONDERFUL....
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WAY IN, A LITTLE BIT OF
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THE POLITICAL BACKGROUND IF YOU -- A FEW LITTLE FACTS
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| 00:49:28 |
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HERE AND THERE. BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN THE BOOK. I THINK IT HAS THE
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| 00:49:33 |
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RIGHT MOOD. IT HAS THE RIGHT EXPLANATION FOR WHY THE CHINESE ACTED AS THEY DID. AND I THINK I HAVE ACCURATELY PORTRAYED THE RESPONSE OF THE STUDENTS...
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| 00:50:08 |
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YOU -- JET LAG HAS TO VANISH. I
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CAN'T RECALL
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A TRIP
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LIKE THIS WHERE I HAD
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| 00:50:15 |
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A PROBLEM WITH JET LAG. >> DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO CHINA? >> YES, VERY MUCH SO. I'M WORKING
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| 00:50:20 |
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ON A MUCH> YES, VERY MUCH SO. I'M WORKING ON A MUCH BIGGER AND BROADER PROJECT, AND -- THAN THE TIANANMEN DIARY. WHAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE...
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DIE? >> HE DIED IN 1976,
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| 00:50:39 |
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IN SEPTEMBER. EXACTLY 13 YEARS AGO. EXACTLY 13 YEARS AGO. THIS MONTH. AND HE LEFT CHINA IN A DREADFUL STATE OF CHAOS. DANG CAME IN AND HE PUT THINGS...
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| 00:50:57 |
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IN WHICH HE
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| 00:50:59 |
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DID -- CHANGED CHINA IN MANY WAYS, AS IT HADN'T BEEN CHANGED IN THOUSANDS OF YEARS. HE BROUGHT PROSPERITY TO THE COUNTRYSIDE BY ELIMINATING THE COMMUNES...
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| 00:52:34 |
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GOING OVER THERE, AND INDEED WHAT I LEARNED AFTER I GOT OUT, GOT OVER THERE, IN THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THAT I HAD, IT LOOKED TO ME AS THOUGH THE...
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| 00:52:49 |
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WITH THE GOVERNMENT. THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE IT, BUT THE GOVERNMENT, WHICH HAD THE SAME GENERAL OBJECTIVES:WAS GOING TO BE SPURRED AND PUSHED ALONG IN...
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| 00:54:52 |
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ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT CHINA WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN, BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT IT. THEY WERE THINKING THAT CHINA WAS GOING...
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| 00:55:12 |
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THE EX-AMBASSADOR SAYING WORDS TO THE SAME EFFECT, AND I KNOW MANY PEOPLE, MANY CHINA SCHOLARS IN THIS COUNTRY, AND PARTICULARLY A LOT OF CHINESE...
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| 00:55:49 |
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SOME OF THE TOP LEADERS. WHEN THAT
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| 00:55:51 |
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WAS ALL OVER, MAO DEAD, DANG IN POWER, EVERY CHINESE I SPOKE TO OF WHATEVER GENERATION, WHETHER IT WAS OF DANG'S GENERATION OR THE NEW YOUNGSTERS JUST...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.