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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
The hearing will come to order. While we are waiting for the nominee, and he has just been told to come in, I want to share with the press... |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Judge Breyer, we are back with you again. TESTIMONY OF STEPHEN G. BREYER, TO BE AN ASSOCIATE JUSTICE OF THE... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Yes, Senator. |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
Judge, in the recent Weiss v. United States decision, the Supreme Court stated: In determining what process is due, courts must give particular... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
In the law, the military has always had a somewhat special role, because courts have recognized the importance of its running its own affairs,... |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
Judge Breyer, as a general matter, if two companies believe it is in the best interest of their business to combine their organizations... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Senator, the good reason is typically—or not always, but quite often—a question of whether the antitrust law is violated, because the antitrust... |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
Judge Breyer, as you may know, the Supreme Court held in 1922 that professional baseball was not in interstate commerce, and therefore was... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Senator, if I can depart directly, from a nonlegal point of view, I have always thought that baseball was special, ever since my grandfather... |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
NOW you pay about $20. |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Well, they pay more, yes, that is true—from a legal point of view, from a legal point of view, I know there are those cases that have said... |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
Judge Breyer, could you please discuss your views on the proper scope of the extraterritorial application of our antitrust laws—very briefly. |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Well, I am glad you said "briefly," Senator, because briefly, I know it is an enormously complex matter. There used to be a case called... |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
I might say we are working with the Justice Department now on some legislation. Judge Breyer, do you believe that U.S. antitrust laws should apply... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
The normal rule is when firms behave similarly, they are treated similarly; and where firms have an adverse impact on this country, they... |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
Judge Breyer, I am aware that in the past, you have lectured on the use of legislative history and touched on it during the hearing. Could... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
In summary form, I have thought that there are many instances, indeed most, where an open question in a statute is best understood through... |
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Thurmond, James "Strom" Strom - U.S. Senator, [R] South Carolina
Judge, those are all the questions I have. I think you are an able man and a fair man, and I hope you enjoy your career on the Supreme Court. |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Thank you very much, Senator. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Senator Kennedy is next to question. He is on the telephone, I am told, right now; if staff would check to see if he is ready to go. [Pause.] Thank... |
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Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate your accommodating some of those on this committee who are also on the Labor and Human... |
| 00:12:431 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
In looking over the act and applying it over the years, Senator, I recognize that the act is an effort to balance two separate things. One... |
| 00:14:032 min. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
We tried to provide some additional flexibility for the judges also, on the ability of those who might be accused, and where there was at... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
The first part of my answer is that particular case was, in my mind, an extremely close question as to the amount of evidence. It went back,... |
| 00:17:433 min. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
Well, I think we have had a good deal of talk about the Boston courthouse, but I know just from visiting with many of the disability groups... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
It is a decision, Senator, that really gave me enormous satisfaction as a person and as a judge. And the reason I felt it important both... |
| 00:22:252 min. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
Well, it was a recognition, it seems, in any fair reading of that case, that it really was not the kind of remedy, and you came up with... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Thank you very much. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Thank you, Senator. One thing on which there is no disagreement—and I do not disagree with a single thing the Senator said—as I kidded you... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
That is very complimentary. |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
The only thing that Paul does, though, is he spends time going like this, rubbing his face, and you just sort of give a studied pause. In... |
| 00:25:1616 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
Judge Breyer, would you explain to us the difference between affirmative action and quotas? |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
NO, because I am trying to decide in the—generally speaking, I think affirmative action means you make an enormous effort, you make a really... |
| 00:25:5711 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
In other words, if there is no numerical figure that is either set in law or policy, then it really is not a quota, but an affirmative action... |
| 00:26:081 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Then you are on the edge. I mean as I understand it—and I am not saying how you would measure a person's real effort—internally, internally,... |
| 00:27:1437 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
If you have a situation such as the congressionally established policy of affirmative action programs in the absence of a change in that... |
| 00:27:512 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
What has happened I think, Senator, in the affirmative action cases legally in the Supreme Court is that the Supreme Court basically has... |
| 00:30:0028 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
The question I have is, if Congress were to change the policy itself, so that there is no longer an affirmative action policy, and yet either... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
If you go beyond |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
In the absence of a congressional policy is what I am asking. |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
If you go beyond those cases you know where the Supreme Court has spelled out what is permissible in terms of these two sets of factors,... |
| 00:30:456 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
I am saying that you simply do not have an affirmative action program mandated by Congress. |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
YOU don't have one. |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
Assuming it is taken off the books. |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Assuming it is taken off the books, then there are still cases like Weber, for example, where the Supreme Court will permit employers to... |
| 00:31:1629 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
IS there ever a statute of limitations in terms of past injustices, or is that something the court makes a determination on as to whether... |
| 00:31:4535 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Well, if it is a court case, I suppose that there are now standards, which I am not totally familiar with, frankly, which the Supreme Court... |
| 00:32:201 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
IS that policymaking? |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
It isn't, if it is following the legal standard. But one has to be careful. |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
I know you have talked quite a bit about legislative history. I just want to go back over it for a few moments. In your article on the uses... |
| 00:35:301 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
The answer in my mind is, of course, it is different, but that is a difference that courts should take into account, and it doesn't make... |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
The only point I would make is that many times members are unaware of these declarations of intent, and for the court to rely upon those... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Yes. |
| 00:37:5720 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
YOU struck down a Treasury Department regulation— I will not go into the details of it—but, in any event, you relied upon legislative history... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
They did. |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
What is interesting about it is that the dissent pointed out that the majority was confused about the legislative history. So, I was wondering... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
I don't think so, actually. I understand that legislative history can point in different directions and I understand it can be complicated... |
| 00:39:0825 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
I would like to turn quickly to the subject of hate crimes. We have had in 1992 more than 7,000 hate crimes reported in this country, most... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Yes. |
| 00:39:331 min. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
The defendant had burned a cross inside the fenced yard of a black family, and the Court held that because the State had not criminalized... |
| 00:40:431 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
What I have said on this publicly really are two things. One is in response to your question directly. Of course, it is difficult in instances,... |
| 00:41:5642 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
Yesterday, you talked about the Boston courthouse. Let me come back to it for a moment. I see that Senator Kennedy is not here, but I am... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Yes. |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
It struck me that Boston doesn't really need that kind of an attraction to be a meeting place. If you look at the tremendous development... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
NO, I think we followed all the rules. |
| 00:45:2618 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
As you know, a lot has been made of the fact that you have got 63 private bathrooms, 37 separate law libraries, 33 private kitchens, spiral... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
The bathrooms, it is a general rule that a judge does have a bathroom in his chambers, and there are a lot of people working there and |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
How many judges in that building? |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
I think there is room for somewhere close to 30, and there is the U.S. attorney, and there are a number of others. Whatever the normal rules... |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
What was the total cost you recall of this facility, $220 million? |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
I think Senator DeConcini gave the cost yesterday. I think it is 750,000 square-feet. It is a big building, and I think the cost, with land... |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
I might point out that we are familiar with the cost of expensive buildings. You are in one right now. As a matter of fact, when it was... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
I want the record to show that my office is not in this building. [Laughter.] |
| 00:47:462 min. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
YOU were then a senior member at the time. Just a couple of more questions, Judge. I want to go back to the book that you wrote that Senator... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Thank you, Senator. The response is three. The first is you put in half, I think, when you say too far; and the other half is too little.... |
| 00:54:056 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
But you say the root of it is an ill-informed public with skewed perceptions of risk |
| 00:54:111 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Yes. |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
Fed by systematic media reports and a distrust of the experts. |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Right. |
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Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
HOW do you propose to break that—and compounded by Congress, which is also contributing to the distortions of priorities—how do you break... |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
And this, you might say is Utopian, I know. But you realize what it is I think the public is informed about. I do not think they are not... |
| 00:56:2718 sec. |
Cohen, William S. - U.S. Senator, [R] Maine
I think that sort of outcomes analysis is probably unrealistic in view of the life cycle of any President of this country; that by the time... |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Judge, I hope that was spoken as a political scientist |
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Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Absolutely. The CHAIRMAN [continuing]. And not as a judge Absolutely. The CHAIRMAN [continuing]. Because we make those judgments every... |
| 00:58:281 min. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Judge Breyer, I would like to ask you a few questions about your decision in the Ottati case. As I understand the... |
| 00:59:3551 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Senator, I looked at this very carefully. There was no party that I had invested in in the case. It had been fully disclosed. The issue... |
| 01:00:261 min. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Well, I know that there are some who think that it was proper under the canons; there are some who disagree. Justice Scalia—whom I did not... |
| 01:01:4642 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
What he said was imprudent, Senator, he believes that it is ethical, that no ethical canon was violated, and he is concerned—and I have... |
| 01:02:2827 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Having said that it would probably be prudent not to have such an investment, isn't the corollary of that equally true, and that is that... |
| 01:02:551 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
I think that I must have a very, very careful system to achieve the very objective you are announcing and enunciating and I have listened... |
| 01:04:0428 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
I think you said a direct, real impact. What we are talking about in the Ottati case is not a question of whether or not your investment... |
| 01:04:321 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
That is right. |
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Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
That could affect your investment. |
| 01:04:351 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Yes. |
| 01:04:3653 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
There is no question Lloyd's was not on the Ottati liability. Now, as a matter of fact, environmental law experts tell me that as a practical... |
| 01:05:2930 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
The question, from my point of view, is was there a real, direct impact on the investment. And I think the question of whether there is... |
| 01:05:5940 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Well, it should be pointed out that Ottati did have a direct and predictable effect on pollution insurance, particularly like Merritt 418,... |
| 01:06:3950 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
If I thought there were a substantial, that is, a direct, effect, I would have taken myself out, and that would be the correct thing to... |
| 01:07:2926 sec. |
Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Would the Senator yield on Ottati? I am confused. Since I asked about the case, Judge, I thought the facts in Ottati were that the EPA chose... |
| 01:07:551 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
That is correct. |
| 01:07:5610 sec. |
Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
What I am confused about is how does that affect any insurance case, on anybody. I am confused about that. |
| 01:08:0615 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
I could not find a way. I think it does not. I think it does not. And I suppose there are people who have thought of some way, but I think... |
| 01:08:2136 sec. |
Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
If you had ruled—if the EPA had gone directly to the district court judge under a different procedure, and the district court judge substituted... |
| 01:08:572 min. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Well, I would just say that I do not think I want to debate the substance of the Ottati case with my friend, the chairman, and I will ask... |
| 01:11:0654 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
I did not see it that way, Senator. I thought that the case involved fact-related matters growing out of a particular waste dump, and I... |
| 01:12:005 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
That case, I think, had been dragged out for about 10 years up until the time it got to you. |
| 01:12:052 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Yes. |
| 01:12:0757 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
I think you added maybe another 5 years to the matter of getting the matter resolved. And I think that does help the defendants in those... |
| 01:13:0460 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
On the issue of volatile organic compounds, one of the fact-related issues, after reading through many thousands of pages, we all came to... |
| 01:14:041 min. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Well, in a recent book, you express actually pretty much disdain for EPA's approach to cleaning up the environment. In Ottati, when you... |
| 01:15:162 sec. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
Are you going to let him answer? Do you want to answer? |
| 01:15:181 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
From my appearance of reading the records, Senator, the area was the way I described it, and there was—but the point that I want to make... |
| 01:16:541 min. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
I hope the Chair will continue to allow me additional time for questions that are not mine. Judge, the Ottati case becomes very relevant... |
| 01:18:181 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
I do, rather. That is to say, I do not know if you are speaking theoretically or practically. When I went into Lloyd's, I viewed it as a... |
| 01:20:122 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
And that would have been about how much money? |
| 01:20:145 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
It would have been an awful lot of money. It depended on the year. It depended on the year. |
| 01:20:192 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
We are talking about something in excess of |
| 01:20:212 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
We are talking about several hundred thousand dollars. |
| 01:20:232 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Or maybe $1 million. |
| 01:20:252 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
I do not think it could have gone that high, but it is possible. |
| 01:20:2744 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
But neither you nor I nor any of us know what the loss will be in connection with this one particular syndicate you went into, which was... |
| 01:21:111 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Senator, what I do if I have a lot of money at stake or if I have a little money at stake, if there is a big investment or if there is a... |
| 01:22:2122 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
In retrospect. You are saying it has been verified by others. You mean that the White House asked some ethics professors for their opinion,... |
| 01:22:4311 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
What I must do as a judge is I must make up my own mind on a case-by-case basis whether there is a substantial impact or whether there is... |
| 01:22:5435 sec. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
Would the Senator yield on that point? I think we ought to put into the record, at this point in the record, exactly what those letters... |
| 01:23:293 sec. |
Senator HATCH, -
And all but one found .in your favor and said there was nothing unethical. |
| 01:23:322 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Well, as a matter of fact |
| 01:23:342 sec. |
Senator HATCH, -
Let's get with it. |
| 01:23:363 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
I did not think that I was in a debate with my colleagues on this committee. |
| 01:23:394 sec. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
We want an accurate statement of what has been characterized in the record. |
| 01:23:4330 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Well, the fact is I have no problem about putting it in the record. Also put into the record the indication by Professor Hazard that the... |
| 01:24:132 sec. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
Well, he did not say it was imprudent. |
| 01:24:151 sec. |
Senator HATCH, -
NO, he did not say that. |
| 01:24:1619 sec. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
That is what we are getting at. He did not say it was imprudent. He said because a potential for possible conflict of interest, a possible... |
| 01:24:353 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
What does he say about the word imprudent? |
| 01:24:3837 sec. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
I have put it in the record, Senator. You have asked for my opinion whether Judge Breyer has committed a violation of judicial ethics in... |
| 01:25:152 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
I have no objection putting that in. |
| 01:25:172 sec. |
Kennedy, Edward "Ted" M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Massachusetts
Well, that is different from what was stated. |
| 01:25:192 sec. |
Senator HATCH, -
It certainly was. |
| 01:25:2133 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
I want to ask the Chair also, there is a letter coming from Professor Freedman, who indicates, as I understand it, that he considers it... |
| 01:25:541 min. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Yes, Senator. I have taken into account your concern, and I understand the concern, and I think it is extremely important that people have... |
| 01:27:151 min. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
I believe that that is a major step in the right direction. I think it is the right step, and I think that the concerns that many of us... |
| 01:28:401 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Thank you, Senator. |
| 01:28:412 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
I guess my time has expired. |
| 01:28:434 sec. |
Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
YOU can have more time, because I interrupted you, if you want to take a few more minutes. |
| 01:28:472 min. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Several more. All right. I think I will. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On this whole question of the Merritt 418 and its relationship to your... |
| 01:31:363 sec. |
Breyer, Stephen G. - Judge
Thank you, Senator. |
| 01:31:392 sec. |
Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Does that mean the matter is closed, Senator? |
| 01:31:41 |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
Pardon? |
| 01:31:412 sec. |
Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
Does that mean the matter is closed? |
| 01:31:438 sec. |
Metzenbaum, Howard M. - U.S. Senator, [D] Ohio
For the moment. [Laughter.] I think so, but who knows what the next hour will bring? |
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Biden, Joseph "Joe" R. Jr. - U.S. Senator, [D] Delaware
I surely do not. I know the next 10 minutes will bring a break. You have been sitting there a long time, Judge. Why don't we break until... |