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WITH JUST THE ROUTINE FLOW OF EVENTS, WAR IN THE PERSIAN GULF, THE FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL. BUT MY BOOK TRIES TO ASK A LARGER QUESTION, WHETHER THERE...
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AS A HISTORY OF HUMAN SOCIETY, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE EXPERIENCES OF ALL PEOPLES AND VIRTUALLY ALL TIMES, AND WHETHER THERE IS A KIND OF COHERENT EVOLUTION...
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FRANCIS FUKUYAMA'S THESIS ABOUT THE END OF HISTORY WAS OWN OF THE SILLIEST EVER PROPOUNDED AND THE FUSS IT CAUSED WAS INEXPLICABLE. WHAT WAS THE FUSS...
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EVENTS WERE HAPPENING IN THE SOVIET BLOCK. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WAS REALLY THE GROWTH OF A KIND OF UNIVERSAL CONSENSUS ON THE, YOU KNOW,...
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OF INDIVIDUALS. LIKE FREEDOM OF THE PRESS, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, FREEDOM OF
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POLITICAL ASSOCIATION. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FREEDOM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE POLITICAL SYSTEM. AND SO, YOU KNOW, TRUE LIBERAL DEMOCRACY HAS TO HAVE BOTH...
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IT'S
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ABSOLUTELY AN ILL-LIBERAL COUNTRY. WOMEN DON'T HAVE RIGHTS. THEY CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE POLITICAL PROCESS. THERE'S NO FREEDOM OF RELIGION OR FREEDOM...
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I WENT TO SCHOOL AT CORNELL AND GRADUATE SCHOOL AT HARVARD. >>
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WHAT DID YOU
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TAKE? WHAT WAS THE
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SUGGEST MATTER? >> --
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SUBJECT MATTER? >> WELL, AS
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AN UNDERGRADUATE, I MAJORED IN CLASSICS. I SPENT FIVE YEARS LEARNING GREEK TO BE ABLE TO READ PLATO AND ARISTOTLE IN THE ORIGINAL AND STUDIED A GREAT...
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TIME. >> YOU GOT A MASTERS AND PHOOD AT HARVARD? >> NO, I GOT
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A PH.D. AT HARVARD. BUT I SWITCHED FIELD
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SO I WAS IN POLITICAL SCIENCE AND GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT THERE. >> WHAT WAS YOUR DISSERTATION ON? >> WELL, IT WAS A VERY PHILOSOPHICAL SUBJECT. I WROTE...
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AND MOVED TO NEW YORK. WHAT DID YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER DO FOR A LIVING? O >> WELL, MY FATHER WORKED
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FOR MANY YEARS IN THE
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NATIONAL BOARD OF UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST. HE'S
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BY BACKGROUND A MINISTER. ENED THEN LATER HE BECAME A PROFESSOR OF RELIGIOUS STUDIES
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AT PENN STATE. AND THEN WENT ON TO THE CHICAGO
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THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN CHICAGO SO. HE HAD GONE TO THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO ORIGINALLY THEN RETURNED FULL CIRCUMSTANCE UNTIL A CERTAIN SENSE TOWARDS...
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WASHINGTON. WHERE I DID STUDIES OF
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SOVIET FOREIGN POLICY AND MIDDLE
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EASTERN POLITICS, THAT SORT OF THING. >> BESIDES YOUR PHOOD IN POLITICAL SCIENCE AT HARVARD AND WORKING FOR THE RAND CORPORATION, WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU...
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LONG-TERM FOREIGN POLICY IDEAS. SO I WAS THERE IN THE EARLY 80'S, THEN I RETURNED
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IN 1989 AND I WAS A DEPUTY DIRECTOR IN THE SAME POLICY STAFF. BUT MY SECOND STATE DEPARTMENT CAREER WAS CUT A LITTLE BIT SHORT BY THE PUBLICATION OF...
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BUREAUCRAT ANYTIME YOU WANT. >> WHEN YOU WROTE THE BOOK WERE YOU
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STILL A MEMBER OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT STAFF? >> I HAD WRITTEN THE ARTICLE WHEN I WAS AT THE RAND CORPORATION BEFORE COMING TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT....
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TO IT STARTED. SO I WAS IN THE DEPARTMENT AT THAT POINT. >>
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| 00:10:28 |
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DID YOU HAVE ANY PRESSURE WHEN YOU WERE AT THAT DEPARTMENT THAT SAID LOOK, THIS IS TOO HOT A DEAL. IT WOULD BE BETTER OFF IN F YOU WEREN'T HERE? >>...
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| 00:10:48 |
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FUKUYAMA JAPANESE BY ANCESTRY? >> YES. >> HOW FAR BACK DO YOU GO BEFORE YOU HAVE PEOPLE BORN IN JAPAN? >> WELL, MY MOTHER WAS
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| 00:10:57 |
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BORN IN JAPAN AND CAME TO THIS COUNTRY IN 1949. AND MY FATHER WAS BORN IN LOS ANGELES AND HIS FATHER CAME IN 1905. SO IT DEPENDS ON WHICH SIDE OF...
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| 00:11:09 |
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BACK TO THE BOOK, YOU HAVE A
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CHART. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET A CLOSE UP ON THAT. I SHOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL THE
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CAMERA WAS ON YOU THEY
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| 00:11:17 |
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COULD GET REAL CLOSE ON IT. BUT THIS CHART IS BASICALLY WHAT? >> WELL, IT'S A TABLE SHOWING THE GROWTH AND THE NUMBER OF LIBERAL DEMOCRACIES AROUND...
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LONG-TERM AND I THINK, A VERY WIDESPREAD SPREAD OF DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS. >> THIS LINE ALONG HERE IS 1990. AND ALL THOSE COUNTRIES ARE NOW LIBERAL...
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AND YOU CAN SEE OUT HERE IN THIS AREA, THEY WERE NOT. YOU CAN EVEN SWITCH THE PAGE HERE AND SEE SOME MORE OF THEM ON THIS PAGE. AND AGAIN, ALMOST ALL...
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| 00:11:59 |
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AND THE -- REALLY, THE SOUTHERN 2/3 OF ASIA. AND THEN YOU HAVE CHINA AND RUSSIA, YOU KNOW, OR THE FORMER SOVIET UNION WHICH IS GOING THROUGH VERY, YOU...
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| 00:12:14 |
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OF DEMOCRITIZATION. IT DEPENDS A LITTLE BIT HOW YOU DEFINE A DEMOCK CIRCUMSTANCE BUT SOMETHING IN THE ORDER OF 60 TO 63 DEMOCRACIES IN THE WORLD, WHICH...
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| 00:13:49 |
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DEMOCRACY AND PROSPERITY IN THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC
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DEVELOPMENT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT WESTERN EUROPE, JAPAN, NORTH AMERICA, THESE ARE ALL AREAS THAT ARE BOTH, YOU KNOW, HIGHLY ADVANCED TECHNOLOGICAL CAPITALIST...
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| 00:18:13 |
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THE NAPOLEONIC WARS. >> THE FRENCH REVOLUTION WAS WHEN? >>
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1789. >> YOU MENTIONED IT A LOT IN THE BOOK. FOR WHAT REASON? >> WELL, THE FRENCH REVOLUTION FOR HAGEL REALLY REPRESENTED THE ZSH IT WAS THE COMING...
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HISTORICAL EVENT. WHAT WE MEAN IS THE EMERGENCE OF WHAT WE UNDERSTAND
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IS MODERN LIBERAL DEMOCRACY.
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BECAUSE IN THE FRENCH REVOLUTION, ULTIMATELY, YOU
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KNOW, WHAT IT WAS ABOUT WAS A REVOLUTION IN FAVOR OF THE PRINCIPLES OF LIBERTY AND EQUALITY. NOW, YOU COULD SUBSTITUTE THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION FOR...
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| 00:20:16 |
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FIRST READ ALL THIS STUFF. >> IT ALL BEGAN REALLY WITH THE REAL WORLD. WE HAD THESE REMARKABLE EVENTS. THE COLLAPSE OF COMMUNISM. BUT BEFORE THAT, YOU...
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| 00:20:46 |
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QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A DIRECTION TO HISTORY AND WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LARGER PROCESS THAT SOMEHOW THE NEWSPAPERS...
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| 00:21:58 |
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PHILOSOPHY. THESE WERE ALL VERY MUCH LIVE AUTHORS FOR ME IN MANY WAYS. SO I HAD LIVED WITH THEM IN A
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| 00:22:03 |
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CERTAIN SENSE, YOU KNOW, IN ALL THE YEARS WHEN I WAS DOING VERY, YOU KNOW, DAY-TO-DAY POLICY-ORIENTED THINGS, SORTS OF THINGS I DO HERE IN WASHINGTON....
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| 00:22:49 |
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NIETSCHE. HE IN A CERTAIN SENSE WAS THE PHILOSOPHER THAT ARGUED WELL YES, IF THERE'S
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| 00:22:55 |
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BEEN HISTORICAL PROGRESS, PERHAPS, BUT IT'S LED NOT TO GREATER HUMAN HAPPINESS, BUT TO TOTAL DISASTER. AND IN A WAY, THE BOOK IS ABOUT, YOU MIGHT SAY,...
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| 00:23:36 |
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GOVERNMENT.
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AND IN CONTEMPORARY AMERICAN POLITICS, YOU KNOW N A SENSE, WE'RE ALL, YOU KNOW, LIBERAL DEMOCRATS. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I TEND TO FAVOR A...
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| 00:24:23 |
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WELL, HE WAS -- HE WAS A PHILANTHROPIST AND THERE'S A FOUNDATION THAT WAS BLISHED IN HIS NAME THAT HAS FUNDED THE CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF -- ESSENTIALLY,...
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| 00:24:46 |
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THANK OWEN HARRIES, THE EDITOR OF "THE NATIONAL INTEREST." WHO OWNS THAT? >> IT'S A SMALL MAGAZINE DEVOTED TO FOREIGN POLICY THAT'S PUBLISHED BY IRVIN...
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| 00:25:10 |
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INTEREST DEALS WITH FOREIGN POLICY. >> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE CRYSTAL'S
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| 00:25:16 |
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PHILOSOPHY? >> I THINK HE'S GENERALLY THOUGH OF AS A SO-CALLED NEO CONSERVATIVE. THAT IS SOMEWHAT THAT BECAME A CONSERVATIVE IN A CERTAIN SENSE, YOU...
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| 00:25:34 |
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LARGELY THE PERSPECTIVE OF NATIONAL INTEREST AS WELL. >>
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| 00:25:37 |
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YOU ALSO SAY MOST IMPORTANT OF THESE HAS BEEN ABE RAM SCHULSKE WHO WILL FIND MANY OF HIS IDEAS AND INSIGHTS RECORDED HERE. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE...
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| 00:25:59 |
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FRIEND OF MINE WHO CURRENTLY WORKS FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HERE IN WASHINGTON. BUT THERE'S IN A CERTAIN SENSE QUITE A FEW OF US IN WASHINGTON WHO HAVE...
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| 00:26:12 |
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BACKGROUND. WE'RE INVOLVED IN NITTY GRIT GRITTY POLICY ISSUES IN OUR QUOTE, UNQUOTE, REAL LIVES. THAT'S WHAT OUR JOBS ARE ABOUT. BUT WE'VE HAD A BACKGROUND...
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| 00:26:58 |
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WRITING THIS BOOK. BECAUSE ON THE ONE HAPPENED, I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE, YOU
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| 00:27:03 |
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KNOW, VERY DIFFICULT PHILOSOPHICAL
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| 00:27:05 |
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ISSUES AND THE QUESTION
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| 00:27:06 |
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OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THERE'S A UNIVERSAL HISTORY, WHETHER HISTORY HAS A DIRECTION ALITY, WHETHER WE CAN SAY
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| 00:27:14 |
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THERE'S SOMETHING AS THE END OF HISTORY, ON THE OTHER HAND, I WANTED TO MAKE THE BOOK ACCESSIBLE TO A GENERAL READER WHO IS EDUCATED BROADLY SPEAKING...
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| 00:28:50 |
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WHEN YOU HEAR THAT AS SOMEONE WHO PAYS ATTENTION TO WORDS CLOSELY, WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOU?
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| 00:28:57 |
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HE'S CRITICIZING YOU. THE VICE PRESIDENT IS READING HIS BOOK S. THERE A PHILOSOPHY
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| 00:29:01 |
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THERE THAT PAUL JOHNSON HAS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT? >> NO, I DON'T THINK SO. YOU KNOW, I MUST SAY, FROM THE MOMENT MY ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED ...
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| 00:29:26 |
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AND PEOPLE IN THE CENTER ALL TOOK ISSUE WITH DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT. BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE, I THINK CONSERVATIVES TENDED TO SAY WELL, YOU KNOW,...
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| 00:30:45 |
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BEEN JUST ABSOLUTELY REMARKABLE AND TOTALLY UNPREDICTABLE IN THE LAST FIVE OR 10 YEARS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD HAVE ASKED ME 10 YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW,...
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| 00:30:58 |
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AS A PROFESSIONAL SPECIALIST IN THE SOVIET UNION, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT COMMUNISM COULD COLLAPSE BY THE YEAR 1992, NOT ONLY COMMUNISM, BUT THE SOVIET...
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| 00:32:13 |
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I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO READ HAGEL TO UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE HAVE'S A VERY COMMONPLACE WAY IT CAN
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| 00:32:20 |
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BE UNDERSTAND. ALL HUMAN BEINGS WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED. THAT IS TO SAY, THEY WANT OTHER HUMAN BEINGS TO AFFIRM THEIR VALUE OR THEIR GOODNESS OR THEIR ...
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| 00:35:10 |
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US UNIQUELY
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| 00:35:11 |
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HUMAN IS OUR DESIRE TO BE RECOGNIZED BY OTHER PEOPLE. AND THIS IS ULTIMATELY WHAT LEADS US INTO POLITICAL LIFE BECAUSE POLITICS IS REALLY ABOUT RECOGNITION....
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| 00:35:45 |
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BATTLE. THEY WOULD IN OTHER WORDS BECOME ANIMALS AGAIN AS THEY WERE BEFORE THE BLOODY BATTLE THAT BEGAN HISTRISM DOGS ARE CONTENT TO SLEEP IN THE SUN...
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| 00:36:47 |
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SIDE THAT WANTS TO STRUGGLE. YOU KNOW THAT WANTS GREAT CAUSES THAT WANTS TO ACT AND TO LIVE AND TO DIE FOR IDEALS. YOU KNOW, FOR HIGHER CAUSES. SOMEHOW...
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| 00:37:39 |
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FOR RECOGNITION BY GETTING INTO BATTLES NETH NITLY, BATTLES.
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| 00:37:46 |
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WE'RE AT A DIFFERENT STAGE IN
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| 00:37:48 |
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CIVILIZATION. BUT YOU CAN STRUGGLE FOR ALL SORTS OF THINGS. YOU CAN STRUGGLE TO WRITE,
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| 00:37:52 |
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YOU KNOW, THE MOST SERIOUS BOOK ON POLITICS AND PHILOSOPHY. YOU KNOW, THE STUGL FOR RECOGNITION PERMEATES EVERYTHING. IT'S THE BASIS FOR ANY KIND OF...
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| 00:38:45 |
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CAN BE RECOGNIZED FOR ALL SORTS OF THINGS. YOU CAN BE RECOGNIZED AS A POP STAR. YOU CAN BE RECOGNIZED AS THE GREATEST SERIAL KILLER IN NORTH AMERICA....
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| 00:38:54 |
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OF FORMS OF RECOGNITION. AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE END, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, ARE THERE CERTAIN FORMS OF RECOGNITION THAT ARE, YOU...
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| 00:40:12 |
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THERE HAS BEEN A CERTAIN RECOGNITION THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS NOT SIMPLY REHASH ARGUMENTS FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THE
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| 00:40:19 |
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QUESTION OF WHETHER DEMOCRACY IS REALLY BREAKING OUT ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THAT SORT OF THING. BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW -- I THINK THAT'S SOMEWHAT AN...
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| 00:41:13 |
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ABOUT? >> WELL,
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| 00:41:14 |
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I -- NOT REALLY
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| 00:41:15 |
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A PLAN. I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS BOOK, YOU KNOW, IN THIS COUNTRY.
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| 00:41:21 |
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AND IT'S BEING PUBLISHED IN ABOUT 14 FOREIGN COUNTRIES. YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME
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| 00:41:28 |
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TIME. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR IDEA IS THAT IT'S STIRRED UP A
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| 00:41:35 |
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COMPARABLE DEGREE OF DEBATE AND CONTROVERSY IN A LOT OF PLACES OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING TO PREOCCUPY ME. BUT I WILL...
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| 00:42:13 |
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IT IS THE PART OF THE SOUL, OR TO PUT IT IN MODERN TERMS, IT'S A PART OF THE PERSONALITY, OR PART OF THE HUMAN PSYCHE THAT PRECISELY DEMANDS RECOGNITION....
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| 00:42:29 |
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WE UNCTION WHAT THAT IS. IT'S THE PART THAT DESIRES FOOD AND WATER AND SO FORTH. AND THERE'S REASON. YOU KNOW, HUMAN CAPACITY TO CALCULATE AND TO MAKE...
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| 00:44:18 |
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AND WANTING EVEN LARGER AMOUNTS OF MONEY. BUT THE MONEY IS MORE A TOKEN OR SYMBOL OF THEIR ABILITY AS ENTREPRENEURS RATHER THAN A MEANS TO ACQUIRE GOODS...
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| 00:44:46 |
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SOUL. THEY WANT RECOGNITION. A GUY LIKE TED TURNER, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER, YOU KNOW, HE HAS ALL THE MONEY HE CAN POSSIBLY USE. I MEAN...
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| 00:45:35 |
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THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY THREATENED BY WOULD-BE TYRANTS THAT WANT TOCK RECOGNIZED AS GREATER I WANT'S MUCH SAFER IF THEY BECOME TED TURNERS THAN IF THEY...
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| 00:45:53 |
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YOU KNOW, SOME POLITICAL, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT OR CAUSE. IN A WAY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER IF HITLER HAD STAYED OUT OF POLITICS AND GONE INTO THE...
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| 00:47:12 |
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IS ESSENTIALLY DESIGNED TO CONSTRAIN AMBITIOUS PEOPLE. IT'S DESIGNED TO CONSTRAIN THE STALIN OR THE SADDAM HUSSEIN THAT WOULD ENTER AMERICAN POLITICS...
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| 00:48:33 |
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HOW CLOSE DID YOU WORK TO GEORGE SHULTZ? >> WELL, I WORKED, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL BUREAUCRATIC
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| 00:48:39 |
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LAYERS DOWN FROM HIM. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE POLICY PLANNING STAFF. I WORKED ON AT THAT TIME MOSTLY MIDDLE EASTERN ISSUES. >> WHAT ABOUT JIM BAKER? >>...
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| 00:48:54 |
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CENTRAL ROLE BECAUSE I WAS WORKING
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| 00:48:57 |
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ON SOVIET -- U.S.-SOVIET RELATIONS AND GERMAN UNIFICATION. AND A VARIETY OF ISSUES. >> DO YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO TAKE A COUPLE OF JUMPS UP. ARE YOU GOING...
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| 00:49:09 |
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TIME? >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW. WHEN I QUIT THE GOVERNMENT
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| 00:49:11 |
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TO WRITE THIS BOOK I ALWAYS INTENDED TO GO BACK INTO GOVERNMENT WHEN IT WAS OVER. BUT IN A CERTAIN WAY I'VE HAD SUCH A GOOD TIME WRITING IT THAT , YOU...
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| 00:49:24 |
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IT. >> I FORGOT MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
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| 00:49:29 |
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I HAD A QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU. I WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER CHAPTER. WHY THE CHAPTER TITLED "A VACATION IN BULGARIA"? >> WELL, THAT IS A -- YOU KNOW,...
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| 00:49:48 |
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IS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE IMPORTANT POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IN THAT SECTION IS, YOU KNOW, THE REAL PROBLEM WITH COMMUNISM AND WITH A COMMUNIST SOCIETIES...
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| 00:50:02 |
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NOT THAT THEY WERE ECONOMICALLY INEFFICIENT OR DIDN'T PRODUCE A WESTERN STANDARD OF LIVING. THE PROBLEM WAS A KIND OF MORAL ONE THAT IT FORCED PEOPLE...
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| 00:51:53 |
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WORLD UNITE AND HAVEL GOES INTO SOME OF PSYCHOLOGY BEHIND WHY HE SHOULD DO A THING LIKE
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| 00:51:58 |
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THAT. HE SAYS DOES HE REALLY BELIEVE THE WORKERS OF THE WORLD SHOULD UNITE? WELL, NO. THE REAL REASON HE DID IT IS BECAUSE HE'S AFRAID. HE'S AFRAID...
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| 00:53:29 |
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KNOWS HOW THAT WAS PRONOUNCED OR SPOKEN. IT'S QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT FROM MODERN GREEK, BUT I COULD READ
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| 00:53:35 |
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IT PRETTY WELL. >> HOW MANY LANGUAGES CAN YOU SPEAK? >> WELL, I CAN
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| 00:53:39 |
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SPEAK FRENCH AND
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| 00:53:40 |
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A BIT OF RUSSIAN. AND THEN I KNOW, YOU KNOW A SMATTERING OF OTHER LANGUAGES. >> WE'RE ABOUT OUT OF TIME. GIVEN YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF RUSSIA, WHAT DO YOU THINK...
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| 00:53:57 |
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IF -- IN FOR A TERRIBLE
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| 00:53:59 |
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TIME. NOT ON A POLITICAL LEVEL. I THINK WITH THE DECLINE OF, YOU KNOW, THE DISAPPEARANCE OF THE SOVIET UNION, THE EMERGENCE OF RUSSIA AND ITS OTHER...
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| 00:54:07 |
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A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN WAY A KIND OF PRECONDITIONED EMERGENCE OF REAL DEMOCRACY IN THAT REGION, BUT
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| 00:54:14 |
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THE REAL PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE THIS TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE ECONOMIC TRANSITION. YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK EVERYBODY HAS AGREED IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD...
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THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. . >>
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GOOD
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