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MONTHS AFTERWARDS REFLECTED ON IT AND WHAT IT MEANT
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TO BE AT DEATH'S DOOR. WHAT IT MEANT TO DIE. WHETHER I HAD DIED OR NOT. AND WHAT I MEANS, WHAT THE WORD "I" MEANS RELATIVE TO THE BODY'S DYING. SO...
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THAT ROUTE, BUT I DIDN'T AND I DON'T. I THINK
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THAT WOULD IN SOME
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WAY SULLY MY GRATITUDE FOR HAVING BEEN BROUGHT BACK AND FOR THE
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EXPERIENCE ITSELF. BUT IT WAS A CASE WHERE I'D HAD A NUMBER OF COLONOSCOPIES. MANY OF YOUR VIEWERS KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND A SEARCH FOR CANCER THROUGH...
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PERSON, AND HE WAS SO PROUD OF THE FACT THAT THEY NOW HAD THIS WORLD CLASS FELLOW THERE WHO DID THE COLONOSCOPIES AND THAT THEREFORE NONE OF HIS PATIENTS...
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THAN THIS DISCOMFORT HAD YOU BEEN IN PRETTY GOOD
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HEALTH? >> YES, YES. IN FACT,GOOD HEALTH? >> YES. REMARKABLY GOOD HEALTH ALL MY LIFE, NEVER SERIOUSLY ILL AT ALL. >> WHAT WAS YOUR JOB THEN? >> WELL,...
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NEW YORK, SO I HAVE A
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PARISH, IMMACULATE
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CONCEPTION ON 14TH STREET IN MANHATTAN,
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AND THEN I RUN A THINK
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TANK, RESEARCH AND EDUCATION INSTITUTE CALLED THE INSTITUTE ON RELIGION AND
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PUBLIC LIFE. AND OUR MAIN PROJECT -- YEAH,
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| 00:05:02 |
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THE MAIN PROJECT IS A MONTHLY MAGAZINE, "FIRST THINGS," A JOURNAL ON RELIGION AND PUBLIC LIFE. SO, MY WORK WAS AS A PARISH PRIEST, AS THE DIRECTOR OF...
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| 00:06:00 |
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AND THAT'S REALLY VERY IN COMPACT FORM, THE MESSAGE. THAT IS, I THINK --
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I BELIEVE THAT THE FULLNESS OF THE CHRISTIAN REALITY THROUGH TIME IS MOST FULLY AND RIGHTLY EMBODIED IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE WHOLE RISS CHAN...
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ORDAINED TO THE PRIESTHOOD SEPTEMBER
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8 OF 1991. >> WHEN YOU DECIDED YOU WANTED TO BECOME A CATHOLIC PRIEST, WOULD YOU HAVE BEEN A LUTHERAN PRIEST OR A MINISTER? >> LUTHERANS USE THE WORD...
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PROCESS. BUT I HAD BEEN READING, TEACHING, AND, INDEED,
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WRITING ABOUT CATHOLIC
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THEOLOGY AND CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND SO FORTH FOR YEARS
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| 00:08:22 |
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AND YEARS. SO, HE THOUGHT, AT LEAST, THAT I WAS THEE LOGICALLY INFORMED AND SPIRITUALLY FORMED TO BE A PRIEST. I HOPE HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THAT. >>...
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| 00:08:53 |
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AND IT WAS KIND OF AN ODD THING. TODAY IT SOUNDS
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| 00:08:56 |
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LIKE CHILD ABUSE, BUT AT THE TIME, IN OUR FAMILY, AT LEAST WITH THE SIX BOYS, IT IS ASSUMED WHEN 14 OR 15 YEARS OLD, YOU WERE PRETTY MUCH READY TO GO...
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| 00:12:18 |
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HEBREW. I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE THEOLOGICAL
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| 00:12:22 |
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TRAINING I RECEIVED AT THAT TIME FROM CONCORDIA ST. LOUIS, AND I INTERNED IN CHICAGO, THEN IN DETROIT. AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH THE CITY AND THE IDEA...
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| 00:13:36 |
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BLACK, VERY POOR,
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| 00:13:37 |
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THE MORE DESPERATE, THE BETTER. I MAKE NO APOLOGY. I WAS A STARRY-EYED KID FULL OF ENTHUSIASM. AND I WENT TO THE PERSONNEL DIRECTOR -- YOU DIDN'T...
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| 00:15:44 |
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VERY, VERY
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| 00:15:45 |
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AFRAID,
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| 00:15:47 |
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AND I WENT IN TO SEE HER. SHE COULDN'T OPEN THE DOOR. I
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| 00:15:51 |
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HAD TO GET THE SUPER TO GET THE KEY TO THE DOOR. AND SHE WAS LYING IN BED, AND SHE WAS TERRIFIED. AND IT WAS -- I TALK IN THE BOOK ABOUT DIFFERENT...
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| 00:17:01 |
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WHOM THERE WAS NO OTHER MEDICAL
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| 00:17:03 |
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TREATMENT AND PROSPECT ASIDE FROM SEDATION WOULD SIMPLY BE PUT INTO THIS LARGE WARD, MEN AND WOMEN. I DISCUSSED THIS IN THE BOOK. YOU KNOW, HOT NEW...
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| 00:18:08 |
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AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE, SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST APPARENTLY HAD WRETCHED LIVES BOTH IN TERMS OF
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| 00:18:14 |
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THEIR MISFORTUNE AND THEIR BEHAVIOR, DIE WITH GREAT TRANQUILITY. I MENTION IN THE BOOK AN OLD MAN, ALBERT, ABOUT 70 YEARS OLD, BLACK, POOR, BALD, I...
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| 00:19:57 |
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| 00:19:58 |
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LUNGS. AND I REMEMBER BEING WITH CHARLIE AT THE VERY END. AND WE'D BEEN VERY CLOSE. HEED BEEN A GREAT HELP IN SO MANY WAYS. AND HE JUST KIND OF LOOKED...
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| 00:21:40 |
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1993, ON THAT JANUARY DAY, WHEN YOU GOT THE STOMACH PAIN. >> RIGHT. >> WHERE WERE YOU? >> AT THE HOUSE. WE HAVE
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| 00:21:49 |
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A RESIDENCE IN THE COMMUNITY ON 19TH BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND AVENUE IN MANHATTAN. AND AS I SAY, THEY HUSTLED ME -- A FRIEND OF MINE, GEORGE,
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| 00:22:00 |
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A WRITER, WHO I THINK YOU PERHAPS KNOW --
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| 00:22:04 |
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THEY HUSTLED ME DOWN TO
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| 00:22:06 |
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CA
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| 00:22:07 |
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BRINGNY HOSPITAL. AND CRAZY THINGS. IMMEDIATELY AFTER WE GOT BAST THE OFFICIOUS GATEKEEPER, YOU'RE SHOT UP WITH A LOT OF STUFF BEFORE YOU'RE TAKEN TO...
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| 00:22:46 |
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ON THE FLOOR, JUST IN ABSOLUTELY SEIZED WITH
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| 00:22:50 |
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THIS UNSPEAKABLE PAIN, AND SO HE CALLS THE DOCTOR. THE DOCTOR IS ON VACATION BUT OF COURSE LEAVES ANOTHER NUMBER FOR ANOTHER DOCTOR. AND THE OTHER DOCTOR,...
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| 00:25:23 |
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FEELING ALMOST GIDDY. THIS WAS SORT OF LIKE, OH, HERE WE ARE
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| 00:25:27 |
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LIKE IN A TELEVISION HOSPITAL SHOW, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYBODY GOING AROUND WITH -- DOING THEIR PROPERLY ENERGETIC AND URGENT TECHNICAL THINGS, AND THEN...
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| 00:27:28 |
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WERE
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| 00:27:29 |
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FADING. IF THEY DIDN'T, THAT WOULD KILL ME AS WELL. THEY DID GO BACK IN AND DISCOVERED THE HEMORRHAGE HAD BEEN FROM THE SPLEEN AS THE DOCTOR SAID...
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| 00:29:06 |
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YOUR
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| 00:29:07 |
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BODY. YOUR MIND RACING FULLY FUNCTIONING, BUT NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE BODY WHATSOEVER. THE BODY WAS -- THE EXPERIENCE WAS AS THOUGH YOU WERE ENCASED...
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| 00:30:21 |
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EYELASH. AT THIS POINT, THIS WAS GOING ON AND
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| 00:30:23 |
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ON, AND THEN SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, THE CARDINAL IS COMING. HERE COMES THE CARDINAL. >> CARDINAL O'CONNOR. >> CARDINAL O'CONNOR. AND SO, HE
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| 00:30:34 |
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COMES RIGHT UP TO MY
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| 00:30:36 |
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RIGHT EAR AND
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| 00:30:37 |
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I'M LYING THERE
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| 00:30:38 |
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AND I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND JUST LOOKING TOTALLY DEAD. >> WERE THERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM? >> OH, THERE MUST HAVE BEEN FOUR OR FIVE, YEAH. THERE...
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| 00:30:49 |
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RIGHT INTO
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| 00:30:50 |
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MY RIGHT EAR, HE SAYS, "RICHARD! WIGGLE YOUR NOSE." I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, IMAGINE THINKING AT THAT TIME, WHY DID HE SAY WIGGLE MY
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| 00:31:01 |
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NOSE? EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS WIGGLE YOUR
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| 00:31:03 |
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TOE, MOVE YOUR RIGHT THUMB. HE SAYS, "WIGGLE MY NOSE." WELL, HE WAS A CHAPLAIN IN VIETNAM, MUST HAVE BEEN WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE DYING AND...
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| 00:32:59 |
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TIMES TO VISIT AND MINISTER TO OTHER PATIENTS. >> HAD YOU EVER BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL BEFORE? >> I'D BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL
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| 00:33:05 |
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FOR MINOR -- NOTHING SERIOUS AND CERTAINLY NEVER IN THE INTENSIVE CARE UNIT. AND, AGAIN, YOU COME BACK TO THIS THEME OF SURRENDER, WHICH IS A MIX OF...
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| 00:33:23 |
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OUT OF CONSCIOUSNESS, AND THERE
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| 00:33:25 |
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WAS NO CLOCK THERE AND THERE WERE NO WINDOWS, SO WHETHER IT WAS NIGHT OR WHETHER IT WAS DAY, YOU WERE HOOKED UP, OF COURSE, TO -- AT ONE TIME I REMEMBER...
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| 00:36:05 |
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RESPONDING TO ANYTHING AND HAD THIS, AS IT SEEMED TO ME, BODY LOCKED INTO THIS MARBLE SLAB, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A MARBLE SLAB LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE IN A...
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| 00:36:20 |
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I THOUGHT OF DEATH. IN THE INTENSIVE CARE UNIT, THERE'S ONE GREAT THOUGHT THAT KEPT COMING BACK. "I ALMOST DIED. I ALMOST DIED." AND, I MEAN, THIS...
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| 00:39:26 |
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TO THE
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| 00:39:27 |
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ARTICLE.
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| 00:39:29 |
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DIFFERENT, NOT NECESSARILY MORE INTENSE, BUT DIFFERENT FROM ALMOST ANYTHING I'D WRITTEN, FROM ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE
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| 00:39:35 |
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WHO'D HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES, YOU KNOW. AND SO,
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| 00:39:39 |
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A LOT OF PEOPLE
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| 00:39:40 |
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SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU REALLY --
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| 00:39:43 |
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YOU REALLY
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| 00:39:44 |
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OUGHT TO PUT THIS INTO A BOOK. ICE STILL A SMALL BOOK, MAYBE ABOUT FOUR TIMES THE SIZE OF THE ARTICLE. >> ABOUT 168 PAGES, BASIC BOOK TO PUT IT OUT....
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| 00:40:12 |
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BUT I HATED THE IDEA OF HAVING A COLOSTOMY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT AND THIS PLASTIC THING ON YOUR
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| 00:40:21 |
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STOMACH WHICH WE SEE
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| 00:40:23 |
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AND WE HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF.
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| 00:40:25 |
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OH, I JUST DESPISED THE NOTION. I FOUND IT TERRIBLY HUMILIATING. AND SO, I WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT WE HAVE TO REVERSE THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND...
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| 00:41:30 |
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TABLES AND SO FORTH. SO, FIVE YEARS IS THE
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| 00:41:36 |
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MEDICAL LINE, SO TO SPEAK. >> HOW DO YOU FEEL? >> NOW? OH, TERRIFIC. YEAH. I FEEL AS WELL AS I'VE EVER FELT IN MY LIFE. YEAH. >> THE BACK OF THIS...
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| 00:41:58 |
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REGULARLY FOR
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| 00:41:59 |
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NATIONAL REVIEW ON RELIGION AND PUBLIC LIFE CALLED "TRUE
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| 00:42:04 |
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QUESTIONS." >> DOES THAT MAKE YOU A CONSERVATIVE? >> OH, I'LL TELL YOU,
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| 00:42:10 |
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MANY, MANY
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| 00:42:11 |
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YEARS AGO, LIKE BACK IN THE
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| 00:42:13 |
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DAYS OF ST. JOHN THE MUNDANE IN BROOKLYN, I WROTE AN ARTICLE AND I SAID, AS A KID THEN, I SAID, WHAT I ALWAYS WANTED
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| 00:42:25 |
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TO BE ALL MY LIFE LONG IS
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| 00:42:30 |
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RELIGIOUSLY ORTHODOX AND CULTURALLY CONSERVATIVE AND POLITICALLY LIBERAL AND ECONOMICALLY PRAGMATIC. THAT WAS MY QUADRILATERAL. OK? AND I'D STILL SAY...
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| 00:43:08 |
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CHULL CHURLLY
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| 00:43:10 |
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CONSERVATIVE. >> AND WHAT DOES CULTURALLY
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| 00:43:13 |
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CONSERVATIVE MEAN? >> A GREAT RESPECT FOR THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS WERE AS INTELLIGENT AS YOU ARE AND A GREAT RESPECT FOR THE ACHIEVEMENTS...
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| 00:43:26 |
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INTELLECTUAL, LITERARY,
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| 00:43:30 |
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ARTISTIC, AND I THINK
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| 00:43:32 |
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I HAD TO TELL MYSELF THAT
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| 00:43:35 |
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BECAUSE I WAS A VERY REBELLIOUS AND RADICAL AND ICONOCLASTIC PERSON BY INCLINATION, SO I KNEW THAT I HAD TO DISCIPLINE MYSELF TO RESPECT THAT WHICH IS...
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| 00:44:15 |
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CONNECTIONS. I JUST WROTE
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| 00:44:17 |
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A LONG ESSAY AND THERE'S A BOOK "PENGUIN LIVES AND DR. KING," A STRANGE BOOK IN MANY WAYS, BUT IN ANY CASE, POLITICAL LIBERAL MEANT A SENSE OF THE EXCITEMENT...
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| 00:46:49 |
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BERRIGAN AND
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| 00:46:50 |
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THE LATE RABBI JOSHUA HERBAL, WE WERE THE FIRST CLERGY CONCERNED ABOUT VIETNAM AND REMAINED ANTI-VIETNAM AS AN ORGANIZATION. IN THAT WORLD, AND THAT'S...
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| 00:49:04 |
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THE CELIBACY RULE FOR THE CHURCH IN THE WEST BE
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| 00:49:07 |
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MAINTAINED? I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES. I THINK THAT, OF COURSE, WE'RE LIVING IN A TIME IN WHICH THIS HAS COME IN FOR VERY
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| 00:49:18 |
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CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION, TO SAY THE LEAST. BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE
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| 00:49:24 |
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AN UNCONTROVERSIAL THING TO SAY, ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS CONTROVERSIAL WHEN I SAY IT, THAT WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING ANY OF THESE SCANDALS THAT...
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| 00:51:12 |
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ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE CRISIS AT THE HEART OF THE CRISIS, WHAT IS IT ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH WE BELIEVE WAS ESTABLISHED BY OUR...
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| 00:51:27 |
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AGAINST IT AND SO THIS SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT AND IT WILL LAST UNTIL THE END OF TIME UNTIL OUR LORD COMES IN GLORY. BUT I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN...
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| 00:54:30 |
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| 00:54:31 |
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COUNCIL, THE KEY WORD WAS TAKEN TO MEAN UPDATING AND GETTING IN STEP WITH THE MODERN WORLD. WELL, IT WAS A VERY DUBIOUS TIME TO BE GETTING IN STEP WITH...
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BYYYY >> GOOD
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