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00:01:351 min.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Good evening and welcome to this second of three presidential debates between the major candidates for president of the US. The candidates are the Republican...

00:03:121 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Let's go.

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Simpson, Carole - Anchor

And I think the first question is over here.

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Question

Yes. I'd like to direct my question to Mr. Perot. What will you do as president to open foreign markets to fair competition from American business and...

00:03:332 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

That's right at the top of my agenda. We've shipped millions of jobs overseas and we have a strange situation because we have a process in Washington...

00:05:354 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you, Mr. Perot. I see that the president has stood up, so he must have something to say about this.

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Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Carole, the thing that saved us in this global economic slowdown has been our exports, and what I'm trying to do is increase our exports. And if indeed...

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Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Governor Clinton.

00:07:051 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I'd like to answer the question, because I've actually been a governor for 12 years, so I've known a lot of people who have lost their jobs because...

00:08:242 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. I think we have a question over here.

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Question

This is for Governor Clinton. In the real world, that is, outside of Washington, DC, compensation and achievement are based on goals defined and achieved....

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Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

No, and here's why. And I'll tell you exactly why. Because the deficit now has been building up for 12 years. I'll tell you exactly what I think can...

00:10:262 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. President.

00:10:282 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Well, I'm a little confused here, because I don't see how you can grow the deficit down by raising people's taxes. You see, I don't think the American...

00:12:392 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

How about you, Mr. Perot?

00:12:411 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Well, we're $4 trillion in debt. We're going into debt an additional $1 billion, little more than $1 billion every working day of the year.

Now,...

00:14:3313 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

You're all wonderful speakers, and I know you have lots more to add, but I've talked to this audience, and they have lots of questions on other topics....

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Question

Yes, I'd like to address all the candidates with this question. The amount of time the candidates have spent in this campaign trashing their opponents'...

00:15:058 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Who wants to take that one? Mr. Perot, you have an answer for everything, don't you? Go right ahead, sir.

00:15:1322 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

No, I don't have an answer for everything. As you all know, I've been buying 30-minute segments to talk about issues. And tomorrow night on NBC, from...

00:15:352 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Like Jerry Brown, the 800 number.

00:15:3720 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

-- I couldn't agree with you more, couldn't agree with you more. And I have said again and again and again let's get off mud wrestling, let's get off...

00:15:5711 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you, Mr. Perot. So that seems directed; he would say it's you gentlemen that have been doing that. Mr. Clinton, Governor Clinton -- oh, President...

00:16:082 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Well, in the first place, I believe that character is a part of being president. I think you have to look at it. I think that has to be a part of a...

00:18:502 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. President, I'm getting time cues and with all due respect --

00:18:521 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Excuse me. I don't want to --

00:18:531 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

I'm sorry.

00:18:542 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I don't want to --

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Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Governor Clinton.

00:18:562 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I get wound up because I feel strongly --

00:18:581 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Yes, you do.

(Laughter)

00:18:5960 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Let me say first of all to you that I believe so strongly in the question you asked that I suggested this format tonight. I started doing these formats...

00:19:592 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Please don't get into the Washington Post.

00:20:0119 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Wait a minute. Let's don't -- you don't have to believe it. Here's my point. I'm not interested in his character. I want to change the character of...

00:20:2028 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

May I -- I talked to this audience before you gentlemen came and I asked them about how they felt about the tenor of the campaign. Would you like to...

00:20:4830 sec.
Question

And forgive the notes here but I'm shy on camera.

The focus of my work as a domestic mediator is meeting the needs of the children that I work...

00:21:183 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

So your question is?

00:21:2112 sec.
Question

Can we focus on the issues and not the personalities and the mud? I think there's a need, if we could take a poll here with the folks from Gallup perhaps,...

00:21:332 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

How do you respond? How do you gentlemen respond to --

00:21:352 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I agree with him.

00:21:372 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Let's do it.

00:21:391 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

President Bush?

00:21:403 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Let's do it. Let's talk about programs for children.

00:21:4321 sec.
Question

Could we cross our hearts? It sounds silly here but could we make a commitment? You know, we're not under oath at this point but could you make a commitment...

00:22:0429 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I think it depends how you define it. I mean, I think in general, let's talk about these issues. Let's talk about the programs. But in the presidency,...

00:22:332 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

And you, too?

00:22:352 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Ross had his hand up.

00:22:371 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Yes.

00:22:3833 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Just no hedges, no ifs, ands and buts. I'll take the pledge because I know the American people want to talk about issues and not tabloid journalism....

00:23:1130 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Wait a minute. I want to say just one thing now, Ross, in fairness. The ideas I express are mine. I've worked on these things for 12 years and I'm the...

00:23:411 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

May I finish?

00:23:421 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Yes, you may finish.

00:23:43
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Very briefly?

00:23:431 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Yes, very briefly.

00:23:4429 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

And I don't have any foreign money in my campaign. I don't have any foreign lobbyists on leave in my campaign. I don't have any PAC money in my campaign....

00:24:133 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. We have a question here.

00:24:1619 sec.
Question

Yes. I would like to get a response from all three gentlemen. And the question is, what are your plans to improve the physical infrastructure of this...

00:24:354 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

The cities. Who's going to fix the cities and how?

00:24:392 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I'll be glad to take a shot at it.

00:24:411 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Please.

00:24:422 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I'm not sure that -- and I can understand if you haven't seen this, because there's been a lot of hue and cry. We passed the most furthest looking transportation...

00:26:456 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. President, aren't you threatening to veto the bill -- the urban aid bill -- that included enterprise zones?

00:26:5116 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Sure, but the problem is, you get so many things included in a great big bill that you have to look at the overall good. That's the problem with our...

00:27:074 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Governor Clinton, you're chomping at the bit.

00:27:111 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

That bill pays for these urban enterprise zones by asking the wealthiest Americans to pay a little more. And that's why he wants to veto it, just like...

00:28:466 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot, what about your plans for the cities? You want to tackle the economy and the deficit first.

00:28:521 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

First you've got to have money to pay for these things. So you've got to create jobs. There are all kinds of ways to create jobs in the inner city....

00:30:1915 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot, everybody thought you won the first debate because you were plain-speaking and you made it sound, oh, so simple. Well, just do it. What makes...

00:30:3414 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

If you ask me if I could fly a fighter plane or be an astronaut, I can't. I've spent my life creating jobs. That's something I know how to do. And,...

00:30:481 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Are you answering my question?

00:30:495 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

You want jobs in the inner city? Do you want jobs in the inner city? Is that your question?

00:30:547 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

No, I want you to tell me how you're going to be able to get the Republicans and Democrats in Congress to work together better than these two gentlemen.

00:31:0136 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Oh, I'm sorry. Well, I've listened to both sides, and if they would talk to one another instead of throwing rocks, I think we could get a lot done....

00:31:372 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Okay, I have a question here.

00:31:3934 sec.
Question

My question was originally for Governor Clinton, but I think I would welcome a response from all three candidates. As you are aware, crime is rampant...

00:32:133 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Governor Clinton?

00:32:161 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I support the right to keep and bear arms. I live in a state where over half the adults have hunting or fishing licenses, or both. But I believe we...

00:34:072 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. President Bush?

00:34:092 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I think you put your finger on a major problem. I talk about strengthening the American family and it's very hard to strengthen the family if people...

00:36:145 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot, there are young black males in America dying at unprecedented rates --

00:36:191 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

I didn't get to make a comment on this.

00:36:202 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Yes, I'm getting to that.

00:36:221 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Oh, you're going to let me. Excuse me.

00:36:238 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

The fact that homicide is the leading cause of death among young black males 15 to 24 years old. What are you going to do to get the guns off the street?

00:36:311 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

On any program, and this includes crime, you'll find we have all kinds of great plans lying around that never get enacted into law and implemented....

00:37:543 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Perot.

We have a question up here.

00:37:577 sec.
Question

Please state your position on term limits, and, if you are in favor of them, how will you get them enacted?

00:38:045 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Any order? I'll be glad to respond.

00:38:091 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you.

00:38:101 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I strongly support term limits for members of the US Congress. I believe it would return the government closer to the people, the way that Ross Perot...

00:39:172 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. Governor Clinton.

00:39:191 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I know they're popular, but I'm against them. I'll tell you why. I believe, number one, it would pose a real problem for a lot of smaller states in...

00:40:362 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot, would you like to address term limitations?

00:40:381 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Yes. Let me do first on a personal level. If the American people send me up to do this job, I intend to be there one term. I do not intend to spend...

00:41:483 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you very much. We have a question over here.

00:41:5111 sec.
Question

I'd like to ask Governor Clinton, do you attribute the rising costs of health care to the medical profession itself, or do you think the problem lies...

00:42:022 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I've had more people talk to me about their health care problems I guess than anything else, all across America -- you know, people who've lost their...

00:44:414 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. Sorry to cut you short but President Bush, health care reform.

00:44:452 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I just have to say something. I don't want to stampede. Ross was very articulate across the country. I don't want anybody to stampede to cut the president's...

00:46:531 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot.

00:46:542 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

We have the most expensive health care system in the world. Twelve percent of our gross national product goes to health care. Our industrial competitors,...

00:49:0345 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

One brief point. We have elections so people can make decisions about this. The point I want to make to you is, a bipartisan commission reviewed my...

00:49:486 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Brief, Governor Clinton. Thank you. We have a question right here.

00:49:5416 sec.
Question

Yes. How has the national debt personally affected each of your lives? And if it hasn't, how can you honestly find a cure for the economic problems...

00:50:102 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

May I answer that?

00:50:122 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Well, Mr. Perot -- yes, of course.

00:50:141 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Who do you want to start with?

00:50:151 sec.
Question

My question is for each of you, so-

00:50:1657 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

It caused me to disrupt my private life and my business to get involved in this activity. That's how much I care about it. And believe me, if you knew...

00:51:131 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you, Mr. Perot. Mr. President.

00:51:142 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Well, I think the national debt affects everybody.

00:51:162 sec.
Question

You personally.

00:51:182 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Obviously it has a lot to do with interest rates --

00:51:202 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

She's saying, "you personally"

00:51:222 sec.
Question

You, on a personal basis -- how has it affected you?

00:51:243 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Has it affected you personally?

00:51:272 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I'm sure it has. I love my grandchildren --

00:51:292 sec.
Question

How?

00:51:3114 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I want to think that they're going to be able to afford an education. I think that that's an important part of being a parent. If the question -- maybe...

00:51:452 sec.
Question

What I'm saying is --

00:51:472 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I'm not sure I get -- help me with the question and I'll try to answer it.

00:51:492 sec.
Question

Well, I've had friends that have been laid off from jobs.

00:51:511 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Yeah.

00:51:5214 sec.
Question

I know people who cannot afford to pay the mortgage on their homes, their car payment. I have personal problems with the national debt. But how has...

00:52:067 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

I think she means more the recession -- the economic problems today the country faces rather than the deficit.

00:52:131 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Well, listen, you ought to be in the White House for a day and hear what I hear and see what I see and read the mail I read and touch the people that...

00:53:231 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Governor Clinton.

00:53:241 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Tell me how it's affected you again.

00:53:251 sec.
Question

Um --

00:53:263 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

You know people who've lost their jobs and lost their homes?

00:53:291 sec.
Question

Well, yeah, uh-huh.

00:53:301 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Well, I've been governor of a small state for 12 years. I'll tell you how it's affected me. Every year Congress and the president sign laws that make...

00:55:002 sec.
Question

Thank you.

00:55:0213 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you, Governor Clinton.

We are a little more than halfway through this program and I'm glad we're getting the diversity of questions that...

00:55:1554 sec.
Question

Yes, I do. My name is Ben Smith. I work in the financial field, counseling retirees, and I'm personally concerned about three major areas.

One...

00:56:092 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

President Bush, may we start with you?

00:56:111 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Well, the Social Security -- you're an expert and I could, I'm sure, learn from you the details of the Pension Guarantee Fund and the Social Security...

00:57:561 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. Mr. Perot.

00:57:571 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

On the broad issue here, when you're trying to solve a problem, you get the best plans. You have a raging debate about those plans. Then out of that...

00:59:551 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot, can you wrap it up?

00:59:569 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Do you want to fix the problem or sound-bite it? I understand the importance of time but see, here's how we get to this mess we're in.

01:00:051 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

But we've got to be fair.

01:00:0634 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

This is just 1 of 1000.

Now then, to nail it, there's one way out -- a growing, expanding job base. A growing, expanding job base to generate...

01:00:402 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot, I'm sorry. I'm going to --

01:00:42
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Sorry.

01:00:423 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

And I don't want to sound-bite you but we are trying to be fair --

01:00:451 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Okay.

01:00:46
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

-- to everyone.

01:00:462 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Absolutely. I apologize.

01:00:481 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

All right. Governor Clinton.

01:00:492 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I think I remember the question.

(Laughter.) Let me say first of all, I want to answer your specific question but first of all, we all agree...

01:02:596 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. I think we have a question here on international affairs, hopefully.

01:03:0512 sec.
Question

We've come to a position where we're in the new world order, and I'd like to know what the candidates feel our position is in this new world order,...

01:03:172 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. President.

01:03:192 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Well, we have come to that position. Since I became president, 43, 44 countries have gone democratic, no longer totalitarian, no longer living under...

01:05:572 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. Mr. Perot.

01:05:591 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Well, it's cost-effective to help Russia succeed in its revolution; it's pennies on the dollar compared to going back to the Cold War. Russia is still...

01:07:3510 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Governor Clinton, the president mentioned Saddam Hussein. Your vice president and you have had some words about the president and Saddam Hussein. Would...

01:07:451 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I'd rather answer her question first and then I'll be glad to. Because the question you ask is important. The end of the Cold War brings an incredible...

01:09:293 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Okay. We have a question up there.

01:09:3222 sec.
Question

Yes. We've talked a lot tonight about creating jobs. But we have an awful lot of high school graduates who don't know how to read a ruler, who cannot...

01:09:544 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Who would like to begin -- the education president?

01:09:583 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Go ahead, sir. Yeah, go ahead.

01:10:012 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I'd be delighted to, because you can't do it the old way. You can't do it with the school bureaucracy controlling everything and that's why we have...

01:12:021 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Governor Clinton.

01:12:031 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

First of all, let me say that I've spent more of my time and life on this in the last 12 years than any other issue. Seventy percent of my state's money...

01:13:592 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you.

01:14:011 sec.
Question

What are they going to cost?

01:14:023 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

The question is, what is it going to cost? What is it going to cost?

01:14:0550 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

In 6 years -- I budget all this in my budget, and in 6 years the college program would cost 8 billion dollars over and above what -- the present student...

01:14:552 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. Mr. Perot, you on education, please.

01:14:572 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Yes, I've got scars to show for being around education reform. And the first word you need to say in every city and state, and just draw a line in the...

01:17:533 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

No, you don't.

01:17:5624 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Finally, if we don't fix this, you're right. We can't have the industries of tomorrow unless we have the best educated workforce. And here you've got,...

01:18:202 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you.

01:18:223 sec.
Question

Thank you, Mr. Perot.

01:18:253 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

And in the first few years they either learn how to learn or don't learn how to learn. And if they don't, they wind up in prison.

01:18:281 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you, Mr. Perot.

01:18:293 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

And it costs more to keep them in prison than it does to send them to Harvard. I rest my case.

01:18:323 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. President Bush, you wanted to answer.

01:18:3551 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I just had a word of clarification because of something Governor Clinton said.

My school choice program, GI Bill for Kids, does not take public...

01:19:261 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I just want to mention if I could --

01:19:272 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Very briefly.

01:19:2950 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Very briefly. the parents in the preschool education of their kids, even if they're poor and uneducated, can make a huge difference. We have a big program...

01:20:1930 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

We have very little time left and it occurs to me that we have talked all this time and there has not been one question about some of the racial tensions...

01:20:4926 sec.
Question

What I'd like to know, and this is to any of the three of you, is aside from the recent accomplishment of your party, aside from those accomplishments...

01:21:153 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Governor Clinton, why don't you answer that first?

01:21:185 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Well, I don't have any idea but I hope it will happen some time in my lifetime.

01:21:231 sec.
Question

I do, too.

01:21:2458 sec.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

I believe that this country is electing more and more African Americans and Latinos and Asian Americans who are representing districts that are themselves...

01:22:228 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Okay. I'm sorry. We have just a little bit of time left. Let's try to get responses from each of them. President Bush or Mr. Perot?

01:22:3016 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I think if Barbara Bush were running this year she'd be elected. But it's too late.

(Laughter) You don't want us to mention appointees, but when...

01:22:461 sec.
Question

(Inaudible).

01:22:471 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

You weren't impressed with the fact that he --

01:22:481 sec.
Question

Excuse me. I'm extremely impressed with that.

01:22:495 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Yeah, but wouldn't that suggest to the American people, then, here's a quality person, if he decided that he could automatically get the nomination...

01:22:542 sec.
Question

Sure -- I just wanted to know -- yes.

01:22:561 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Huh?

01:22:572 sec.
Question

I'm totally impressed with that. I just wanted to know is, when's your-

01:22:591 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Oh, I see.

01:23:001 sec.
Question

When?

01:23:011 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

You mean, time?

01:23:022 sec.
Question

Yeah.

01:23:041 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I don't know -- starting after 4 years.

01:23:051 sec.
Question

(Laughs)

01:23:061 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

No, I think you'll see --

01:23:071 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot.

01:23:082 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I think you'll see more minority candidates and women candidates coming forward.

01:23:103 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

We have -- thank you.

01:23:132 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

This is supposed to be the year of the women in the Senate. Let's see how they do. I hope a lot of --

01:23:152 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot -- I don't want to cut you off any more but we only have a minute left.

01:23:1711 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

I have a fearless forecast. A message just won't do it. Colin Powell will be on somebody's ticket 4 years from now -- right? Right? He wanted that said...

01:23:281 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

How about a woman?

01:23:2911 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Now, if won't be, General Waller would be -- you say, why do you keep picking military people. These are people that I just happen to know and have...

01:23:401 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

How about Dr. Lou Sullivan?

01:23:411 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Absolutely.

01:23:421 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

Yeah, a good man.

01:23:432 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

What about a woman?

01:23:452 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Oh, oh.

01:23:471 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

(Inaudible) totally agree. My candidate's back there.

01:23:482 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

(Laughs)

01:23:501 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Okay. I can think of many.

01:23:511 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Many?

01:23:521 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Absolutely.

01:23:531 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

When?

01:23:542 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

All right. How about Sandra Day O'Connor as an example?

01:23:561 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Hm-hm.

01:23:571 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Dr. Bernadine Healy --

01:23:582 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Good.

01:24:001 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

National Institutes of Health. I'll yield the floor.

01:24:011 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

All good Republicans.

01:24:021 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

Name some more.

(Laughter)

01:24:0323 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you. I want to apologize to our audience because there were 209 people here and there were 209 questions. We only got to a fraction of them and...

01:24:2614 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

May I ask for an exception because I think we owe Carole Simpson -- anybody who can stand in between these three characters here and get the job done...

01:24:401 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

That's right.

01:24:413 sec.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

I feel strongly about it because I don't want it to come out of my time.

01:24:441 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Give this man more time. (Laughs)

01:24:451 min.
Bush, George H. W. - President, [R] United States

No, but let me just stay to the American people in 2 and a half weeks we're going to choose who should sit in this Oval Office, who to lead the economic...

01:26:155 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you, Mr. President. And now a closing statement from Mr. Perot.

01:26:202 min.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

If the American people want to do it and not talk about it, then they ought to -- you know, I'm one person they ought to consider. If they just want...

01:28:372 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Mr. Perot, I'm sorry --

01:28:39
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

-- that ain't bad.

01:28:392 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

-- once again.

01:28:419 sec.
Perot, H. "Ross" - Presidential Candidate, [I] United States

But it's in your hands. I wish you well. I'll see you tomorrow night -- (Laughter) on NBC -- 10:30 to 11:00 Eastern Time.

(Laughter)

01:28:503 sec.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

And finally, last but not least -- Governor Clinton.

01:28:531 min.
Clinton, Bill - Governor, [D] Arkansas

Thank you, Carole, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

Since I suggested this format I hope it's been good for all of you. I really tried to...

01:30:461 min.
Simpson, Carole - Anchor

Thank you, Governor Clinton. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the debate, sponsored by the Bipartisan Commission on Presidential Debates. I'd like...

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