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OF LAOS WAS NOT HOURS AFTER THE GENEVA CONVENTION OF 1954. VIETNAM IS OURS AND WANTS TO BE. AND THEN WHEN I WAS IN HANOI LAST YEAR, A VIETNAMESE COMPOST...
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OF SOUTHEAST ASIA, AND AT THAT POINT, WE TOOK OVER. WE BECAME IN THE VIEW OF THE NORTH VIETNAMESE THE OCCUPYING FORCE, SO IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD PLACE...
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| 00:02:17 |
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PICTURE OF DWIGHT EISENHOWER AND JOHN F. KENNEDY EXPLAIN THE TRANSITION BETWEEN THOSE TWO PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATIONS AND THE STATUS OF VIETNAM. >>...
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| 00:02:36 |
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VERY NARROW POPULAR VICTORY. REALLY ABOUT ONE-THIRD OF WHICH COULD TURN OUT TO BE IN THIS ELECTION. SO HE'S AWARE THAT HE NEEDED LEGITIMACY AND HE...
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| 00:04:08 |
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SELF, A MAN BUT WE WERE SUCCEEDING, THAT HE WAS FACING A LOT OF OPPOSITION FROM HIS OWN PEOPLE, THAT HE WAS GETTING INCREASINGLY REMOTE. HE WAS A CATHOLIC...
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| 00:05:14 |
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A FASCINATING FIGURE. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION BRIEFLY ISN'T POSSIBLE BECAUSE HE MADE A POINT OF MYSTIFYING PEOPLE.
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| 00:05:22 |
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HE WAS ONLY ONE OF THE MANY NAMES HE USED, HE WAS THE SON OF A MANDARIN COMMANDER IN HOWEVER WHO DISLIKED THE FRENCH AND SAID THAT IT WAS AN INSULT...
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| 00:06:39 |
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MISUNDERSTOOD. HE HATED THAT IDEA EVEN MORE THAN THE FRENCH OR THE AMERICANS BECAUSE THE CHINESE HAD OCCUPIED VIETNAM FOR
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| 00:06:45 |
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ABOUT A THOUSAND YEARS, EVEN DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE WAR, WHEN HE DEPENDED ON THE CHINESE PARTICULARLY FOR MANPOWER TO PUT AN ANTIAIRCRAFT INSTALLATION,...
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| 00:07:30 |
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SENSE OF THIS MAN HIS ADVISERS. HE HAD GONE THERE
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| 00:07:34 |
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TO VIETNAM AS A YOUNG CONGRESSMAN WHO FURNISHING HIS FOREIGN POLICY CREDENTIALS TO RUN AGAINST HENRY CABOT LODGE IN 1952 FOR THE SENATE. AND HE RECOGNIZED...
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| 00:08:27 |
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HIS CABINET. >> THERE WERE THREE THAT EMERGED. GEORGE BUNDY HAD BEEN THE DEAN OF THE FACULTY AT HARVARD. HE WAS A VERY
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| 00:08:38 |
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QUICK. I KNEW SHE HAD THE QUICKEST MIND, IT WAS THE DATE SHE WOULD SAY ANYTHING AND FIND A WAY TO HIT -- HE WAS ABLE TO HIT ON THE WEAKNESS IN ANY...
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| 00:11:00 |
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POLITICAL INSTINCT. HE HAD A MUCH STRONGER SENSE OF WHAT THE CONGRESS WOULD DO. ALL THREE OF THESE MEN WERE NOT VERY POLITICALLY SOPHISTICATED. HE ENTERTAINED...
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| 00:12:06 |
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WAS IT ON THE RADAR SCREEN? >> EARLY ON NOT MUCH AND HE TRIED TO KEEP IT OFF BECAUSE OF THE ONE HAND HE WANTED TO DO THE MINIMAL EFFORT
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| 00:12:16 |
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TO KEEP IT IN THE WESTERN CAMP. ON THE OTHER HAND HE DIDN'T WANT A LOT OF PUBLICITY ABOUT THAT AND THAT WAS A PART OF WHEN THE PRESS POSITION SCOTT...
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| 00:13:26 |
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VIETNAM. >> HE WANTED TO KEEP IT ON THE BACK BURNER. OF COURSE THE OVERTOOK THAT. BECAUSE THE BUDDHISTS
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| 00:13:35 |
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REBELLED AGAINST HIM. SOME OF THE OLDER SET THEMSELVES ON FIRE. THOSE PICTURES FOR HORRIFYING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, A COUNTRY THAT...
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| 00:14:32 |
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WAS WITH "THE NEW YORK TIMES". WHAT WAS THEIR ROLE IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE VIETNAM COVERING IT? >> I THINK WHAT PEOPLE TEND TO FORGET, AND I CERTAINLY...
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| 00:14:50 |
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A TOTAL CENSORSHIP, AND THEN THE SECOND WORLD WAR AND DURING KOREA WHERE THEY COULDN'T PRINT THINGS THE MILITARY DIDN'T WANT EXPOSED. YOU GET TO VIETNAM...
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| 00:15:53 |
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TIMES"? >> HE WON HIS PULITZER FROM THE TRIBUNE. >> BY THE TIME SENT HIM TO VIETNAM HE WAS WITH "THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND HE HATED BEING BACK AND COUNTED...
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| 00:16:04 |
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COULD GET AWAY. >> DID YOU KNOW THEM? >> QUITE WELL. >> WERE YOU IN VIETNAM? >> I WAS IN '64 AND '65 TO THE SPEC WITH CAPACITY? >> A SOUTHEAST ASIA CORRESPONDENT...
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| 00:16:20 |
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YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND HOW MUCH THIS
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| 00:16:23 |
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SHOWED UP ON THE RADAR SCREEN. THE STORIES I FILED BACK IN '64 WOULD APPEAR ON PAGE FIVE OR SEVEN OR NINE. AS SOON AS WE SEND TROOPS IN THE MARINES TO...
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| 00:17:00 |
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THE NATION-BUILDING. WE SHOULD JUST GO IN AND WHEN THIS WAR. KENNEDY SENT HIM OVER THERE ON THE GOODWILL TRIP AND HE KNEW THE SISTER-IN-LAW AND WAS...
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| 00:19:39 |
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THAT? >> HE HAD A LOT OF EXPERTISE, BUT IT WAS IN THE QUESTION
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| 00:19:47 |
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OF NUMBER CRUNCHING ANALYSIS, NOT POLITICAL. MCNAMARA IS PROBABLY STILL AS A POLITICAL A PERSON WHO HAS EVER HELD A LARGE PORTION OF POWER AND WASHINGTON....
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| 00:20:08 |
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AND HE KNEW THE ALLIES IN THE PARTY WHO WERE FROM A MUCH MORE MILITARY MIND THAN HIS OWN SHE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR THE JOINT CHIEFS. HE HAD SEEN...
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| 00:21:35 |
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AND WHERE THE DOVES, THE MAJOR PLAYERS? >> MANSFIELD TOWARD KENNEDY OR EARLY ON THAT IT WAS A LOST CAUSE, AND THIS WAS PARTIAL TO HEAR FROM MANSFIELD...
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| 00:21:48 |
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CATHOLICS WITH KENNEDY WHO HAD HELPED TO INSTALL HIM IN OFFICE AND HE HAD BEEN QUITE A BACKER OF THIS MAN THAT HE WENT OVER IN 61 AND CAME BACK AND...
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| 00:24:21 |
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WILLIAM BUNDY. WHAT WAS HIS ROLE? >> WILLIAM BUNDY WAS THE OLDER BROTHER AND IT IRRITATED HIM THAT HE WAS OFTENTIMES THOUGHT TO BE THE YOUNGER BROTHER...
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| 00:24:55 |
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JOHNSON. HE WAVERED BACK-AND-FORTH AND HAVE A MOMENT OF CLARITY HE SAW WE SHOULD GET OUT. BUT AS SOON AS RUSK AND MCNAMARA TOLD HIM IT WON'T WASH. HE...
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| 00:26:53 |
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DOES THAT APPLY TO THE MILITARY LEADERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN VIETNAM, THE U.S. MILITARY LEADERS ONE IN PARTICULAR TO ASK ABOUT THIS GENERAL WILLIAM...
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| 00:27:12 |
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JOHNSON THAT HE HAD WAS MARLAND'S APPROVAL THAN VICE VERSA BECAUSE IF AS HE WAS TRYING TO ESCALATE IN SMALL DOSES, YOU HAVE A PICTURE. >> HE LOOKED...
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| 00:27:35 |
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CERTAINLY LOOKED RIGHT. JOHNSON WAS CONCERNED THAT AT ANY GIVEN POINT WESTMORLAND COULD BECOME TO HIM WHAT DOUGLAS MacARTHUR HAD BEEN TO CARRY TRUMAN...
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| 00:29:54 |
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AND THE TRUTH, DESCRIBED SOME OF THOSE STATES. >> WELL, THE PROBLEM FALLS INTO I THINK TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES ONE IS UNDER
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| 00:30:09 |
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ZIMM. HE DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT. HE WANTED HIS TROOPS TO KEEP HIM IN POWER. THERE HAD BEEN THE COUP D'ETAT, ALL KINDS OF ATTACKS ON HIM IN THE PALACE....
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| 00:32:33 |
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THE BEGINNING IN
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| 00:32:37 |
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NEW YORK THEY WERE STILL THINKING THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT HALBERSTAM WORSE SO AWARE OF...
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| 00:33:37 |
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HIS RESCUE. TELL THE STORY WHAT HAPPENED. >> HE IS A TOUGH GUY COMING AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN HIM BECAUSE HE HAS CONTINUED ON TO HAVE A REMARKABLE...
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| 00:33:49 |
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ASSIGNMENT IN THE VIETNAM? >> HE WAS WITH THE AP AND QUITE A YOUNG MAN. DURING ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE BUDDHISTS AND
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| 00:33:56 |
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THE STREET FIGHTS AND ZIMM'S
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| 00:33:59 |
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BROTHER HAD SECRET POLICE AND THEY WERE HARASSING REPORTERS. TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND YES, AT ONE POINT, OUR NET -- ARNETT GOT...
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| 00:34:47 |
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LOT BECAUSE AS SOON AS IS THE LAMB WAS OVERTHROWN THERE WAS A NEW BALL GAME. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY A BETTER ONE, BUT IT
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| 00:34:54 |
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WAS DIFFERENT. THERE WAS AND THE CONNIVANCE BETWEEN THE EMBASSY AND THE PALACE. SO THERE WAS A LOT MORE INFORMATION. BUT YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO -- YOU...
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| 00:36:04 |
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JOHNSON NOT RUN BECAUSE OF THE VIETNAM DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE COMING TOGETHER FOR HIM. HE HELD QUITE A SERIOUS...
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| 00:36:16 |
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HAD A STRONG STREAK OF SELF PITY SO THAT WHEN HE WAS JUMPED ON FOR THE WAR POLICIES, HE WOULD COMPLAIN THAT EVERYBODY WAS AGAINST HIM, THE WORLD WAS...
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| 00:37:31 |
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WISE MEN, THE PEOPLE HE COUNTED ON FROM OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT LIKE DEAN ACHESON AND OTHERS AND THESE WERE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORTED THE WAR THE WHOLE TIME...
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| 00:39:09 |
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RUN? >> AT FIRST SHE WAS ACCELERATED. HE HAD SUPPRESSED FOR A BUDDY AND HE HAD SHOWN HIS CRITICS THAT HE WAS A MAN OF PRINCIPLE
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| 00:39:19 |
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AND NOBODY HAD ANYTHING LIKE THIS AND THE PRESIDENTS LIKE SURPRISES, IT'S KIND OF STRANGE TO ME BUT THEY LOVE DOWSING PEOPLE AND THE HEAT LEEKS SAID...
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| 00:40:31 |
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THROUGH THE 1975 MARKER. NIXON HADN'T AND A DID YOU TALK AND THAT IN OUR BOOK. HENRY KISSINGER. IN A FEW PARAGRAPHS DECIDE TO LEAVE COULD DESCRIBE WHERE...
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| 00:40:59 |
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A STORY THAT THEY KEPT HIM OUT OF THE KENNEDY ADMINISTRATION AND HAD KNOWN HIM FROM HARVARD BECAUSE HE FELT HE WAS A SELF PROMOTER AND NOT ENOUGH...
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| 00:41:50 |
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THE WERE WILLING TO TRY THEIR TRUST FOR NIXON, AND COURSE THAT RANKED HIGH IN MIX AND'S YOUR JUDGMENT SAID HE WAS PAID OFF FOR ONE MIGHT SAY THAT THE...
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| 00:42:48 |
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VIETNAM. HE LAYERED THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE UNDER NIXON AND HAS A LOT OF -- CAN'T TAKE A LOT OF CREDIT FOR
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| 00:42:56 |
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THAT BECAUSE HE HAD POLITICAL INSTINCTS AND HAD BEEN A CONGRESSMAN AND HE KNEW THAT THE PUBLIC JUST WASN'T GOING TO PERMIT. NIXON WANTED TO GET THE...
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| 00:43:45 |
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GROUND. CONAGRA'S HAD MADE IT VERY CLEAR THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BACK ANY SORT
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| 00:43:49 |
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OF SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT ANY FURTHER. FORD COULD JUST PRESIDE OVER THE FINAL COLLAPSE AND THEN MARTIN, THE AMBASSADOR IN SAIGON WAS BLIND AND ABOUT THE...
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| 00:44:37 |
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TIME. WE HAD PROMISED THESE MEN AND WOMEN FROM THE SOUTH TO THE THRONE AND WITH US IF THE STATE EVER CAME WE WOULD HELP THEM AND WE WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE...
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| 00:45:32 |
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OF DRINKING. IN THE CENTURY THAT HAS HOLOCAUST COME ANY CENTURY
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| 00:45:36 |
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THAT HAS THE DROPPING OF THE ATOM BOMB THOSE ARE BIG STORIES. IT CERTAINLY IS I THINK A STORY THAT IS GOING TO TORMENT AMERICA FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE...
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| 00:46:27 |
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ACCURATELY OR LITTLE MORE FORCEFULLY, YOU COULD HAVE SOMEHOW KEPT THE COUNTRY OUT OF THIS FIASCO. NOW THAT'S NONSENSE, BUT IT IS THE SENSE THAT ONE...
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AS JACK, PUBLISHED BY SIMON AND SCHUSTER. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME. >>
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.