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COMMUNITY. AS WE DID WITH OUR TWO PRIOR SETS OF HEARINGS THIS CALENDAR YEAR, WE PRECEDE EACH SERIES OF WITNESSES WITH A STATEMENT FROM THE COMMISSION...
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| 00:06:36 |
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OF OUR WORK SO FAR. WE REMAIN READY TO REVISE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS TOPIC AS OUR INVESTIGATION PROGRESSES. THE STAFF STATEMENT REPRESENTS THE COLLECTIVE...
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| 00:37:48 |
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SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? PLEASE BE SEATED. DIRECTOR FREEH, YOUR PREPARED STATEMENT WILL BE ENTERED...
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| 00:38:28 |
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MY WISHES THAT THIS COMMISSION AS THE JOINT INTELLIGENCE COMMITEES BEFORE IT DOES NOT ONLY FIND SOME ANSWERS BUT CERTAINLY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGE...
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| 00:50:20 |
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HOWEVER, WHAT WAS THE REALITY BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11, AND WHAT WAS THE REALITY THEREAFTER.
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| 00:50:24 |
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AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE F.B.I. AS A PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS TO OBEY THE LAW AND WHATEVER THAT LAW IS, IT'S ONE THAT PROTECTS US,...
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| 00:51:14 |
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COMMISSION FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE BOTH IN THE EXECUTIVE
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| 00:51:17 |
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AND JUDICIAL BRANCH. I AM SURE IT'S NO SURPRISE TO YOU OR ANYBODY HERE THAT THE -- THERE IS A LOT OF INTEREST IN TODAY'S HEARINGS AND THERE IS A ...
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| 00:55:28 |
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THE R.A. OFFICES, THE RESIDENT AGENCIES, BECOMING VACANT BECAUSE THERE WERE NO AGENTS BEING HIRED. 22 MONTHS, NOT ONE F.B.I. AGENT WAS HIRED. SO MY REASSIGNMENTS...
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| 00:59:00 |
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STRUCTURE, WOULD THE REST OF THE FIELD OFFICES REALLY HAVE THE SAME SENSE OF URGENCY, UNDERSTANDING OR KNOW-HOW IF YOU WILL,
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| 00:59:13 |
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TO
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| 00:59:14 |
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CONTRIBUTE TO THE ANTITERRORIST, THE COUNTERTERRORISM EFFORT? FOR INSTANCE, USING THE EXAMPLE OF THE INFAMOUS PHOENIX MEMO THAT NEVER SEEMS TO GET...
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| 00:59:49 |
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WITH RESPECT TO AL QAEDA
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| 00:59:52 |
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AND BIN LADEN
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| 00:59:54 |
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RESIDENT IN NEW YORK.
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| 00:59:55 |
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WE HAD AN AMPLE IN MY VIEW BODY OF EXPERTISE
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| 00:59:58 |
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AT OUR HEADQUARTERS WITH DEBBIE STAFFORD AND MIKE
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| 01:00:02 |
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ROLLINS, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOUR STAFF HAS SPENT MANY HOURS WITH OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T ONLY HAVE THE EXPERTISE IN NEW...
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| 01:02:19 |
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RESTRUCTURING OF HOW COUNTERTERRORISM CASES AND OPERATIONS WERE GOING TO BE CONDUCTED, SO I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT. BY THE WAY, IF...
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| 01:02:32 |
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BE APPROPRIATE, YOU WOULD DO IT IN THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA SO IT WOULDN'T MA SO IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR AGENTS IN NEW YORK CITY TO WORK...
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| 01:03:03 |
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OVERSEAS CONNECTIONS NECESSARY -- YOU CAN'T RUN IT WITHOUT HEADQUARTERS BUT YOU
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| 01:03:08 |
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CAN PREPARE A CRIMINAL CASE FOR A FIELD PRESENTATION IN A U.S. DISTRICT COURT IN HEADQUARTERS. THAT'S JUST MY OWN VIEW. >> LET ME SWITCH GEARS FOR...
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| 01:03:42 |
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DOMESTIC THREATS PLUS ANALYZING THE LIKELIHOOD OF SUCH A THREAT AND TO IDENTIFY ANY POTENTIAL INTELLIGENCE GAPS, I BELIEVE, WAS PART OF THE CHARTER....
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| 01:05:11 |
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ABSOLUTELY. I TALKED ABOUT THAT IN APPROPRIATIONS HEARINGS. MOST OF THE NONAGENT RESOURCES IN OUR THREE-YEAR REQUEST FOR 1,895 PEOPLE WERE ANALYSTS,...
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| 01:06:15 |
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FOR, IN NEW YORK CITY. YOU CAN'T HIRE THEM FOR
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| 01:06:21 |
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A GS-6 SALARY WHICH WE WERE RELEGATED TO. WE DID GET A BRIEF EXPERIMENT WITH RESPECT TO A TITLE FIVE COMPEMS BUT NOT -- EXEMPTION BUT NOT WHAT IT...
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| 01:06:58 |
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WITH PROVIDING A FULL ACCOUNTING OF THE 9/11 CATASTROPHE. A CHALLENGING INVESTIGATIVE RESPONSIBILITY. SECOND, WE ARE ASKED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS
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| 01:07:10 |
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IN A WIDE VARIETY OF AREAS, ALL OF WHICH WITH A COMMON GOAL OF IMPROVING THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION. WE SHOULD BE REMINDED THAT THE ABILITY TO HAVE SUCH...
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| 01:11:09 |
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INTENSELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SECURITY FOR THAT TRIAL. IF ANY OF YOU SAW THE COURTHOUSE DURING THE PERIOD OF THAT TRIAL, IT WAS CEMENT TRUCKS, STREETS...
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| 01:11:51 |
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WHETHER IT WAS POSSIBLE WITHIN THE F.B.I. STRUCTURE TO REALLOCATE RESOURCES WITHIN A PARTICULAR FIELD OFFICE OR IN GENERAL? PERHAPS USING AS AN EXAMPLE,...
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| 01:13:32 |
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THE NUMBER OF AGENTS WORKING COUNTERTERRORISM CASES. NOW, THERE WERE ONLY THREE SQUADS THAT WERE FULL TIME ASSIGNED TO BIN LADEN CASES AND AL QAEDA...
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| 01:14:46 |
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TERRORISM, AND REALLOCATE THOSE RESOURCES, AS I SAY, AWAY FROM MORE TRADITIONAL F.B.I. JURISDICTIONAL AREAS WHICH COULD BE COVERED BY OTHER FEDERAL...
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| 01:15:24 |
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THE NEW YORK CASE, WE WOULD ASK THE CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES FOR TEMPORARY REALLOCATIONS. WE WOULD ADVISE THEM AS TO WHAT WE WERE DOING. MY ANSWER TO...
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| 01:16:05 |
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1,000 AGENTS FROM OUR CRIMINAL PROGRAMS AND ASSIGNED THEM FULL TIME TO COUNTERTERRORISM MATTERS, I DON'T BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE DONE THAT. I DON'T...
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| 01:16:19 |
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NOT THE WAY RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED. >> LET ME TURN TO THE SUBJECT OF THE STATE OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S KNOWLEDGE REGARDING THE POTENTIAL...
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| 01:16:37 |
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AIRPLANES, AS
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| 01:16:38 |
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WEAPONS. A SUBJECT OF OBVIOUS INTEREST TO THIS
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| 01:16:43 |
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COMMISSION. DID THIS SUBJECT OF PLANES AS WEAPONS COME UP IN PLANNING FOR SECURITY OF THE OLYMPICS HELD IN ATLANTA IN 1996? >> YES, I BELIEVE IT CAME...
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| 01:17:15 |
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THAT WAS ALWAYS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IN THE PLANNING AND RESOURCES WERE ACTUALLY DESIGNATED TO DEAL WITH THAT PARTICULAR THREAT. >> IT WAS WELL...
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| 01:17:43 |
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FOR THOSE EVENTS, THAT'S CORRECT. >> DID THE SAME SUBJECT COME UP AGAIN? I KNOW YOU CARRIED ON FROM THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION THROUGH SIX MONTHS,...
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| 01:18:02 |
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ITALY? >> I DON'T RECALL THAT IT DID. BUT I WOULD NOT HAVE
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| 01:18:06 |
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BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT PLANNING. THE F.B.I. WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT PARTICULAR PLANNING. >> WE WERE VISED THAT THERE WAS A -- ADVISED...
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| 01:18:24 |
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MEETING OF THE EIGHT HEADS OF STATE. AND THAT SUBSEQUENTLY IT WAS DISCLOSED THAT PRESIDENT
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| 01:18:34 |
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MUBARAK OF EGYPT WARNED OF A POTENTIAL SUICIDE FLIGHT USING EXPLOSIVE-PACKED AIRPLANES TO FLY INTO THE SUMMIT MEETING. >> I DON'T DISPUTE THAT, BUT THAT...
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| 01:19:08 |
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YOUR KNOWLEDGE, COMING BACK TO THE UNITED STATES, WAS THE INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION ACCUMULATED BY THE YEAR 2001 REGARDING VARIOUS PLOTS, REAL OR OTHERWISE,...
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| 01:19:57 |
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RATHER THAN INWARD IN A PROTECTIVE POSTURE, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE SUCH A
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| 01:20:01 |
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PLAN. WAS THAT A FAILURE OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION? WAS THAT A FAILURE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION? GIVEN ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD ACCUMULATED...
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| 01:20:33 |
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NEVER AWARE OF A PLAN THAT CONTEMPLATED COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS BEING USED AS WEAPONS AFTER A HIJACKING. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS INTEGRATED IN ANY PLAN....
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| 01:21:14 |
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YET IT APPEARS DURING THE PERIOD OF HEIGHTENED ALERT PRIOR TO THE MILLENNIUM, THE F.B.I. AND C.I.A. WORKED CLOSELY TOGETHER AND HAD SEVERAL NOTABLE SUCCESSES...
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| 01:21:58 |
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COMPONENTS, CIVILIAN COMPONENTS. THIS WAS AN INTEGRATED AND LONG TERM PLANNING OPERATION WITH RESPECT TO MILLENNIUM THREATS WHICH WERE NOT ONLY ISSUES...
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| 01:23:33 |
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ISSUES THEY'VE WORKED ON
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| 01:23:35 |
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OR ELEMENTS OF THE GOVERNMENT THEY WORKED
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| 01:23:37 |
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WITH AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. WHILE I'M RECUSED ONLY FROM REVIEW OF ACTIONS DURING MY TENURE AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WHICH ENDED IN MARCH OF 1997,...
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| 01:24:41 |
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COMMUNICATE WITH THE WHITE
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| 01:24:42 |
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HOUSE, EITHER IN THE CLINTON OR BUSH ADMINISTRATION? OR BOTH, I GUESS? >> OUR PROCEDURES WOULD NORMALLY BE TO COMMUNICATE FIRST WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL...
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| 01:25:07 |
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MEETING WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, I'D SAY PROBABLY EVERY TWO OR THREE WEEKS. WE HAD ANOTHER ONE WITH SECRETARY ALBRIGHT PROBABLY ONCE...
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| 01:26:01 |
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LIKE, THAT 66% OF YOUR ANALYSTS DIDN'T HAVE THE TRANSLATORS NECESSARY TO DO THE JOB. YOU HAD ALL THE INFORMATION AND FUNDRAISING BUT COULDN'T FIND A...
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| 01:27:31 |
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PROGRAMS. I THINK THE CENTERPIECE OF YOUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, AS I HEARD IT, CAME DOWN TO RESOURCES AND LEGAL AUTHORITIES. SO, I WOULD ASK...
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| 01:31:59 |
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COBAR NOW, IN 1996, NOT
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| 01:32:01 |
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TO HAVE YOU REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AND PRESIDENT AS TO WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THAT INVESTIGATION? >> I DID REPORT THROUGH THE...
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| 01:32:30 |
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ARE TALKING ABOUT THE COBAR CASE. >>
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| 01:32:36 |
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I'M BEGINNING WITH
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| 01:32:37 |
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THAT BUT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS TIME PERIOD. SEEMS TO ME IT WAS A MISTAKE NOT-TO-HAVE YOU REPORT DIRECTLY ON WHAT YOU WERE LEARNING TO THE NATIONAL...
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| 01:32:51 |
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AGENCY GOING OVER TO INVESTIGATE, AS I CONSIDERED IT, AN ACT OF
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| 01:32:57 |
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WAR AGAINST A U.S. MILITARY INSTALLATION IN SAUDI ARABIA, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REPORT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AS TO WHAT WAS...
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| 01:33:27 |
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OF THOSE WERE OVERSEAS. IN TRUTH, THREE OF THEM WERE DOMESTIC AND FOUR OF THEM WERE OVERSEAS. WORLD TRADE CENTER, NUMBER ONE. LANDMARKS PLOT NUMBER...
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| 01:33:43 |
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AGAINST THE CITY OF NEW YORK DURING THE 2001 TRIAL, THERE WERE FOUR DOMESTIC ATTACKS, AND/OR EFFORTS. DID THE F.B.I. EVER PRODUCE AN EVALUATION OF THE...
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| 01:34:26 |
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FLIGHT ATTENDANT ON FLIGHT 11, TALK TO THE GROUND AND HEAR THE GROUND SURPRISED BY A HIJACKING. NOT ONLY WERE WE NOT AT A HIGH STATE OF ALERT IN
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| 01:34:35 |
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OUR AIRPORTS, WE WERE AT EASE. WE STACKED ARMS. I MEAN, WE WERE NOT PREPARED AT ALL. IT'S BAFFLING TO ME WHY SOME ALERT WASN'T GIVEN TO THE AIRLINES...
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| 01:35:36 |
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OF THAT REPORT, IF YOU READ IT, WAS THAT THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY AND OPERATIONS WERE VULNERABLE AT MULTIPOINTS WITH RESPECT TO HIJACKINGS AND TERRORIST...
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| 01:36:12 |
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STATES? THAT'S WHAT AL QAEDA MEN WERE. SOLDIERS. PART OF AN ISLAMIC ARMY CALLED THE JIHAD, COMING TO THE UNITED STATES. WHY DID WE LET THEM IN THE...
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| 01:36:58 |
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MADE THE CONCLUSION IN MY STATEMENT, SAID THAT NEITHER ADMINISTRATION PUT ITS INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES OR LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ON A WAR FOOTING....
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| 01:38:05 |
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PLACE OVER A DEFINED
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| 01:38:08 |
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PERIOD OF TIME. DEFINED AIRSPACE ABOVE THE OLYMPIC FACILITIES. SO I PRESUME THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT PLANNING TO PREVENT ANY INTERRUPTION OR INTERDICTION...
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| 01:38:52 |
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IT A
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| 01:38:53 |
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FAIR ASSUMPTION TO LEAP FROM THOSE KINDS OF EXAMINATION TO THE NOTION THAT YOU COULD, WITH THE BEST OF INTELLIGENCE OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OR
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| 01:39:08 |
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THOUGHT GONE TO AN ASSUMPTION
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| 01:39:13 |
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THAT ON ANY GIVEN DAY, IN ANY PART OF THE UNITED STATES, ON ANY ONE OF THE MORE THAN 4,000 FLIGHTS THAT ARE IN THE AIR ON ANY GIVEN DAY IN THE UNITED...
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| 01:39:55 |
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PLANNING FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS PRIOR TO THAT EVENT, AND AT THE TIME OF THE MILLENNIUM, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS AND...
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| 01:41:31 |
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HIRE PEOPLE FOR A 22-MONTH PERIOD. WHEN I BECAME DIRECTOR IN SEPTEMBER OF 19923, WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT FREEZE AND IT WENT FOR A PERIOD OF...
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| 01:41:44 |
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THE BUDGETING PROCESS IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH PARTICULAR REGARD TO
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| 01:41:48 |
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THE
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| 01:41:49 |
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F.B.I., DO I ASSUME, THE F.B.I. DECIDES HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'LL ASK FOR IN A FISCAL YEAR AND MOVES UP FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE, GOES FROM...
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| 01:42:06 |
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YOUR INITIAL REQUESTS FOR FUNDING, GOING UP TO THE A.G. EVER MAKE IT THROUGH THAT PROCESS? THE LEVEL THAT THE F.B.I. REQUESTED? >> NO. THAT'S PROBABLY...
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| 01:42:21 |
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TOWN. >> SO, TRUE NOT ONLY FOR
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| 01:42:23 |
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YOU IN THE F.B.I. BUT YOUR PREDECESSORS AND SUCCESSORS AND FOR EVERY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S HOW THE FEDERAL...
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| 01:42:38 |
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EXPIRE NEXT YEAR, I BELIEVE. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THOSE PROVISIONS COULD BE RENEWED
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| 01:42:43 |
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AND DO YOU THINK THE PATRIOT ACT NEEDS STRENGTHENING IN ANY PROVISION, APART FROM THAT,
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| 01:42:50 |
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TO HELP US PROTECT AMERICA FROM TERRORISM? >> WHICH PROVISIONS IN
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| 01:42:56 |
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PARTICULAR? ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT? WITH RESPECT TO RENEWAL? >> THERE WERE AT LEAST TWO. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN YOUR TESTIMONY BUT IN THE TESTIMONY...
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| 01:43:14 |
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TESTIMONY. I'LL COMMENT ON WHICH ONES YOU'RE REFERRING TO. >> I THINK MAYBE IN REGARDS -- WELL, LET ME COME BACK TO THAT,
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| 01:43:25 |
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AFTER I FIND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. LET ME ASK YOU THIS -- >> I CAN ANSWER THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. >> LAST QUESTION, COMMISSIONER....
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| 01:43:34 |
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AREA THAT IS NOT ADDRESSED AND I'VE MENTIONED
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| 01:43:37 |
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THIS IN MY TESTIMONY AND MEMBERS OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AND OTHERS HAVE HEARD ME TESTIFY ABOUT THIS REPEATEDLY -- NOWHERE IN THE PATRIOT ACT...
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| 01:43:49 |
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11 MEASURES IS THERE
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| 01:43:51 |
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ANY EFFORT
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| 01:43:52 |
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TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF
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| 01:43:54 |
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INCRIPTION . IT'S MIND-BOGGLING TO ME, THAT IN THE AFTERMATH OF SEPTEMBER 11 AND THE INFORMATION WE'VE ACCUMULATED TO DATE INCLUDING THE USE OF ENCRYPTED...
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| 01:45:16 |
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BY THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY OF THE POTENTIAL FOR PLANES BEING USED AS MISSILES. MY QUESTION TO YOU
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| 01:45:24 |
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WAS, GIVEN THE SUBSTANTIAL STATE OF INFORMATION, WHETHER BY RUMOR OR ACTUAL INTELLIGENCE RELATING TO THE USE OF KAMIKAZES,USIDE PILOTS, TO CRASH PLANES...
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| 01:46:30 |
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CITY, BY L.A., SAN
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| 01:46:32 |
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DIEGO, HOUSTON,
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| 01:46:34 |
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CHICAGO, AND SOME OTHER
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| 01:46:36 |
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CITIES. THESE WERE WELL KNOWN TO AL QAEDA IF NOT TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. THESE LAWS AS YOU KNOW IN DEFIANCE OF SECTION 133 OF THE IMMIGRATION ACT...
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| 01:47:26 |
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TO FIRST OF ALL IDENTIFY ALIEN TERRORISTS AND THEN DETAIN AND REMOVE THEM PROMPTLY FROM THE UNITED STATES. WITH RESPECT TO THE LAWS THAT YOU MENTIONED,...
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| 01:48:20 |
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IN THE HOUSE, IT WAS AN AMENDMENT ENTERED WHICH WAS PASSED BY A LARGE MAJORITY THAT STRIPPED THE
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| 01:48:27 |
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BILL OF MOST OF ITS IMPORTANT COUNTERTERRORISM MEASURES. IN FACT, THE ONES THAT DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL GARELICK AND I RECOMMENDED, IN FACT, I THINK...
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| 01:49:06 |
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SOME LIMITATIONS, ACCORDING TO SOME OF THE WITNESSES WE'VE HAD. WE'VE HAD VERY SENIOR OFFICIALS IN C.I.A. TELL US THAT THEY WERE UNAWARE OF ANY OF...
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| 01:50:30 |
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AND HIS ASSOCIATES, WE CONTINUOUSLY RECOMMENDED AND ACTUALLY PUT INTO PLAY OPERATIONS TO ARREST AND RENDER FUGITIVES BACK TO THE UNITED STATES IN THOSE...
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| 01:51:55 |
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RESOURCES, INVESTIGATIVE RESOURCES ARE PUT IN. IN THE CASE OF OKLAHOMA CITY, THE HYPOTHESIS WAS THERE WERE TWO AMERICANS AND THEY ACTED ALONE. THERE'S...
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| 01:53:12 |
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IN CONNECTION WITH THE STATE AND MURDER PROSECUTION THAT IS ONGOING. I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING WITH RESPECT TO THAT CASE AS IT IS BEING...
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| 01:53:53 |
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YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENT. I QUICKLY
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| 01:53:55 |
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| 01:53:56 |
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CALCULATED ABOUT EIGHT OR 11 OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FUNDING. MAYBE I'M A LITTLE SENSITIVE TO THIS BECAUSE OF MY EXPERIENCE IN...
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| 01:55:30 |
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MY RECOMMENDATIONS, THE F.B.I. ONLY HAS 200 MORE AGENTS NOW THAN IT HAD BACK IN 1999. IT'S NOT JUST A QUESTION OF ALLOCATING AGENTS FROM CRIMINAL...
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| 01:57:11 |
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BROADER RESPONSIBILITY. DIRECTOR MUELLER HAS MADE THE PITCH OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND HE'S DONE IT VERY EFFECTIVELY, THAT THE F.B.I. IS CHANGING ITS ...
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| 01:58:26 |
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NOTED, INVESTIGATIONS DO LEAD TO PREAGAINST. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DICHOTOMY BETWEEN THEM. MANILA AIR, THE MILLENNIUM, THE DAY OF TERROR FROM NEW...
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| 01:59:59 |
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LAST SEVERAL WEEKS OF TESTIMONY BEFORE THE 9/11
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| 02:00:02 |
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COMMISSION. WE HAD SOMEBODY
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| 02:00:04 |
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HERE BY THE NAME OF MR. CLARKE AND SOMEBODY HERE ABOUT A WEEK LATER CALLED DR. RIC. THEY DIDN'T AGREE ON MUCH. THEY DIDN'T SEE EYE TO EYE ON...
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| 02:01:59 |
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INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION MAY BE IN THE BEST OF ALL CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO PREVENTION. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL FOR THE F.B.I. AT THAT PARTICULAR...
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| 02:03:32 |
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SAID IN AN ANSWER TO A PREVIOUS QUESTION YOU THOUGHT THINGS MIGHT HAVE BEEN HANDLED THE PROPER WAY. THIS AGENT ASKED TWO THINGS BE DONE. ONE, THAT...
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| 02:04:32 |
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THE UNITED STATES, YOU KNOW, NAMES AND IDENTIFYING INFORMATION OF THOSE STUDENTS, FIRST OF ALL, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO OVERCOME A COUPLE OF FEDERAL...
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| 02:05:11 |
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ARAB COUNTRIES WHO ARE TAKING FLIGHT LESSONS IN THE UNITED STATES. I DON'T -- AGAIN, I WASN'T -- I'M NOT PRIVY TO THE INFORMATION YOUR
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| 02:05:19 |
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STAFF IS PRIVY TO. FROM WHAT I READ AND HEARD AND TALKED TO, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT MEMO, UNFORTUNATELY,
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| 02:05:26 |
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GETS YOU TO PREVENT THE HORROR OF SEPTEMBER 11. I DON'T SEE IT IN ANY LOGICAL NONSPECULATIVE WAY. >> I'M NOT SURE IT PREVENTS 9/11 EITHER BUT...
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| 02:05:55 |
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HEARING. THE FACTS OUTLINED IN THAT STAFF REPORT ARE ALMOST CERTAIN TO FIND THEIR WAY INTO OUR FINAL
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| 02:06:03 |
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REPORT UNLESS SOMEONE SHOWS US IN SOME
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| 02:06:08 |
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PART THEY ARE IRRELEVANT. I WANT TO READ YOU ONE PARAGRAPH, THE SUBJECT OF BOB KERREY'S QUESTION. AND ASK YOU WHETHER OR NOT IT IS ACCURATE. THE STAFF...
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| 02:07:28 |
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TWO WEEKS, ALMOST LIKE CLOCK WORK IN THE LAST 14, 15 MONTHS OF OUR OVERLAPPING TENURE SAT WITH SANDY BERGER IN HIS OFFICE FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR, PERHAPS...
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| 02:08:29 |
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ADMINISTRATIONS TO USE THE F.B.I. FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES, THERE SEEMS TO BE A CERTAIN DIVORCE OR DISTANCE BETWEEN THE F.B.I. AGAIN. AND THE WHITE HOUSE....
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| 02:09:45 |
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F.B.I. MATTERS. THERE WAS CERTAINLY 2340 DISTANCE OR SEPARATION BETWEEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND I. AND WE HAD -- I HAD IN BOTH ADMINISTRATIONS I...
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| 02:10:27 |
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REVIEW OF THE F.B.I. BY 2000 THERE WERE TWICE AS MANY AGENTS DEVOTED TO DRUG ENFORCEMENT MATTERS AS TO COUNTERTERRORISM. ON SEPTEMBER 11, ABOUT 1,00...
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| 02:11:07 |
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MILLION -- I'M SORRY, $3 0 MILLION. 890 POSITIONS. I GOT FIVE POSITIONS AND $6 MILLION. YOU CAN'T FIGHT A WAR WITH THOSE KINDS OF RESOURCES. YOUR...
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| 02:11:52 |
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| 02:11:54 |
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SECOND WITNESS TODAY WILL BE THE HONORABLE JANET RENO WHO SERVED AS ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES DURING THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. MADAM...
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| 02:13:23 |
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BE SEATED. MADAM ATTORNEY GENERAL, YOUR PREPARED STATEMENT WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD IN FULL. WE WOULD ASK YOU TO SUMMARIZE YOUR OPENING STATEMENT...
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| 02:13:42 |
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A FUNCTION OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO OUR NATION'S FUTURE. I THANK YOU FOR
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| 02:13:46 |
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GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE ME PERSPECTIVES BASED ON MY SERVICE AS ATTORNEY GENERAL. WE
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| 02:13:53 |
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UNDERSTOOD FROM EARLY ON IN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION THAT TERRORISM POSED A GRAVE THREAT TO AMERICANS ON AMERICAN SOIL. THE BOMBINGS OF THE FIRST WORLD...
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WONDERFUL PERSON.
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| 02:25:55 |
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HE WORKED WITH ME WHEN HE WAS THE U.S. ATTORNEY IN THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA. HE IS APPROACHING THINGS IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY. LET'S BACK HIM...
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| 02:26:31 |
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OF THE LAW THAT PROTECTED HIM FROM ASSASSINATION UNDER THE ANTI-ASSASSINATION PROVISIONS OF OUR LAWS AND REGULATIONS? >> I
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| 02:26:41 |
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HAVE NOT -- OWE PINE ORDER THAT AND I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE THOUGHTS AT THE TIME TO KNOW. >> THAT'S PRELIMINARY TO A NUMBER OF RESERVATIONS OR...
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| 02:27:04 |
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C.I.A. THAT YOUR OFFICE COUNSELED THE WHITE HOUSE AGAINST ANY
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| 02:27:12 |
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MEMORANDUM OF NOTIFICATION WHICH UNAMBIGUOUSLY ALLOWED FOR THE C.I.A. SIMPLY TO KILL OR TO ELIMINATE OSAMA BIN LADEN. AND THAT THAT CONTRIBUTED TO ...
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| 02:28:13 |
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TO WHETHER OR NOT HE COULD BE KILLED UNAMBIGUOUSLY? >> I NEED, MR. CHAIRMAN,
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| 02:28:23 |
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SOME DIRECTION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS DONE IN TERMS OF THE DECLASSFICATION OF THESE ISSUES. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. ...
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| 02:28:43 |
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PRIVATELY. RATHER THAN PUBLICLY. PARTICULARLY ON THIS SUBJECT. WHICH IS A VERY SENSITIVE ONE. >> I'M HAPPY TO DO ANYTHING THAT WILL FORWARD THE ISSUE...
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| 02:28:59 |
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SUBMIT THAT QUESTION TO YOU IN A CLOSED SESSION. YOU HAVE HEARD DIRECTOR FREEH SPEAK OF HIS RELATIONSHIPS THROUGH YOU WITH THE WHITE
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| 02:29:12 |
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HOUSE ON THESE SECURITY ISSUES. WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE FOR ME WHETHER YOU FELT
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| 02:29:20 |
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THAT THE PRESIDENT AND THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL FELONY INHIBITIONS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS, QUESTIONS TO OR ANSWERS FROM THE FEDERAL...
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| 02:30:21 |
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INFORMED. THERE CONCERN BECAUSE THESE WERE CRIMINAL CASES AND I THINK THE BUREAU HAD SOME CONCERNS. BUT I SAID IN ANY INSTANCE IN WHICH ANY INVESTIGATION...
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| 02:31:33 |
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MYSELF. -- SANDY BERGER AND MYSELF. >> DID YOU FEEL THAT YOUR LINES OF COMMUNICATION WITH DIRECTOR
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| 02:31:39 |
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FREEH WERE ZPREE OPEN AND YOU ALWAYS GOT THE INFORMATION FROM HIM THAT YOU NEEDED? >> I HAD THE WORKING RELATIONSHIPPING WITH DIRECTOR FREEH WHERE I...
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| 02:31:57 |
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FELT THAT I GOT VERY STRAIGHT ANSWER AND HAD A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. >> ONE OF THE FACTUAL FINDINGS
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| 02:32:08 |
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OF OUR STAFF FOR THIS MEETING HERE TODAY SAYS THAT YOU WERE -- THAT YOU HAD ALREADY TOLD US IN PRIVATE SESSIONS THAT YOU WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT...
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| 02:32:27 |
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GOES ON TO SAY IN 2000 RENO SENT SEVERAL MEN DID A TO DIRECTOR FREEH EXPRESSING THESE CONCERNS. ONE MEMO STATED THAT "IT IS IMPERATIVE THE F.B.I....
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| 02:33:39 |
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AND HOW WE ASSIGNED PRIORITIES AND HOW WE ASSIGNED TASK AND HOW WE MADE SURE THAT WE FILL THE GAPS WITH RESPECT TO INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION. WHEN BOB...
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| 02:35:21 |
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GENERAL INVITED ME TO HAVE LUNCH WITH HIM AFTER HE WAS SWORN IN, I CAME UP TO WASHINGTON AND WE SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT ISSUES THAT I THOUGHT WERE...
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| 02:35:30 |
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HIM A SET OF THE MEMOS. >> NOW, I WOULD LIKE AS MY LAST QUESTION TO HAVE O IT VERY OPEN-ENDED. AND TO GET THE -- FOR US, THE BENEFIT OF YOUR WISDOM...
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| 02:35:55 |
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SAY WE CONTINUED TO SEEK ADDITIONAL AUTHORITIES SUCH ASPEN REGISTER AUTHORITY UNDER FISA WHICH WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET PASSED DURING MY TENURE BUT...
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| 02:37:12 |
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WITH RESPECT TO CIVIL LIBERTIES. EXCEPT WITH ONE RESPECT TO ONE MATTER. AND THERE HAS BEEN SO MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE THINGS I HOPE WE...
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| 02:38:33 |
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IN THE ORIGINAL PATRIOT ACT THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND IN ANY SUCCESSOR ACT? >> I CAN'T THINK OF
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| 02:38:43 |
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ANYTHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> IN OTHER WORDS, COVERED ALL YOUR WISH LIST AND MORE? >> WHERE I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GO, IT IS IMPORTANT TO COVER...
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| 02:39:04 |
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USE OUR EXPERIENCE TO MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK. IT IS NOT GOING
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| 02:39:08 |
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TO BE RESOURCES. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE LEGISLATION. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE LEGAL AUTHORITY.
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| 02:39:14 |
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IT IS GOING TO BE PEOPLE SITTING DOWN AND STARTING TO EXCHANGE INFORMATION, STARTING TO SHARE, STARTING TO TRUST EACH OTHER, STARTING TO END THE CULTURE...
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| 02:39:52 |
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ISSUES THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF RESOLVING CONFUSIONS, ADDRESSING POINTS THAT NEED RESOLUTION, I THINK THE F.B.I. CAN DO A WONDERFUL JOB FOR THIS...
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| 02:40:08 |
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DIRECTOR MUELLER IS MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION? >> I THINK HE IS. I HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR HIM. AND I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BACK HIM UP AND HELP HIM...
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| 02:40:26 |
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AGAIN. APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY TO US. YOU HAVE
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| 02:40:30 |
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MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THAT YOU HOPE TO HAVE A NONPARTISAN DISCUSSION BETWEEN US AND SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THESE KEY NATIONAL
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| 02:40:39 |
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SECURITY ISSUES. I HOPE THAT'S WHAT WE CAN
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HAVE. HERE
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| 02:40:43 |
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THIS MORNING. VERY HONEST DISCUSSION. WE MAY HAVE A DISAGREEMENT OR TWO BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN ENGAGE IN THAT CANDID DISCUSSION. LET ME START BY...
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| 02:43:05 |
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INFORMATION? >> CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF THAT? WHAT TRIGGERED IT, IN YOUR MIND? >> WHAT WOULD TRIGGER IT IS SOMETHING I LEARNED BEFORE WHERE...
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| 02:43:28 |
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THERE. THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED. IT WAS JUST
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| 02:43:34 |
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GOING THROUGH THAT INVESTIGATION, GOING THROUGH THE LONG NIGHTS THAT WE SAT THERE AND TRIED TO PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER, THE MEETINGS WITH THE PRINCIPALS....
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| 02:44:45 |
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HAVE WE DUB TO START FINDING WHAT INFORMATION WE HAVE. I THINK BY THE FALL, HE HAD
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| 02:44:54 |
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IDENTIFIED THE EXPERT -- RETIRED I.B.M. EXPERT AND WE WERE ON THE WAY TO GETTING IT WORKED OUT. BUT I STILL THINK IT HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT PROCESS AND...
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| 02:45:40 |
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HAD. AND THE SECOND THING WAS IF IT KNEW WHAT IT HAD, SHARING WHAT IT HAD. >>
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| 02:45:48 |
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NOW, YOU SAID IN YOUR STATEMENT
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| 02:45:53 |
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THAT SHORTLY AFTER HE TOOK OFFICE, ATTORNEY GENERAL
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| 02:45:57 |
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ASHCROFT INVITED ME TO LUNCH WITH HIM. AND YOU GAVE HIM THESE SAME SETS OF MEMORANDUM. DID YOU FEEL LIKE THERE
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| 02:46:09 |
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WAS SOME PROGRESS THEN AFTER YOU GAVE THESE SAME PIECES OF PAPER TO GENERAL ASHCROFT THAT HE WAS GOING TO PIM IMPLEMENT THIS CHANGE AND DO SOMETHING...
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| 02:46:47 |
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HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE OF THE TIME. AND I THINK ATTORNEY GENERAL ASHCROFT WAS VERY GRACIOUS AND SAID THIS IS VERY INTERESTING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT...
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| 02:47:21 |
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KNOW WHETHER CADE CAME UP IN THE BRIEFING OR NOT. I CANNOT RECALL WHETHER I SPECIFIC TALKED TO HIM ABOUT AL QAEDA. BUT WHAT I DID TALK ABOUT WAS REFLECTED...
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| 02:47:41 |
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THAT HAPPENS AND THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION OUT THERE. IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS DONE. AND THAT'S THE REASON I BROUGHT THE MEMOS WITH ME....
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| 02:48:13 |
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THREAT BY F.B.I. PERSONNEL SOMETIME IN THE 1990'S? >> CELLS. WHAT I WAS BRIEFED ON
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| 02:48:25 |
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WAS WHAT THE BUREAU
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| 02:48:27 |
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HAD UNDERWAY. I DON'T RECALL A BRIEFING ON CELLS IN THE UNITED STATES. >> SO ALL THROUGHOUT THE 1990'S,
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| 02:48:42 |
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WHEN YOU HAD PEOPLE LIKE DALE WATSON OR DIRECTOR FREEH, YOUR CONTACTS WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL, THEY NEVER BRIEFED YOU ON AL QAEDA CELLS OR...
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| 02:48:59 |
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2000? >> THEY BRIEFED ME THE PRESENCE OF AL QAEDA IN THE UNITED STATES. BUT IN TERMS OF CELLS AND WHERE THEY WERE, I DON'T RECALL SUCH A BRIEFING....
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| 02:49:22 |
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IMPORTANT WAS WITH RESPECT TO ALL TERRORISM ISSUES. I TOLD HIM IT WAS, TO ME, ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS CRITICALLY
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| 02:49:34 |
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IMPORTANT, I NEVER FOCUSED JUST ON AL QAEDA. BECAUSE I STOOD THERE AND WATCHED
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| 02:49:42 |
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THE MURRAH BUILDING IN RUBBLE JUST AS WE SAW THE BEGINNINGS OF THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING ON CNN. AND TENDED TO JUDGMENT TOP CONCLUSIONS. YOU CAN'T JUMP...
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| 02:50:36 |
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STRATEGIC PLAN. NOW, IF IT IS A TOP
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| 02:50:40 |
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PRIORITY, FOR YOU AND YOUR ADMINISTRATION, WOULDN'T THAT BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU BRIEFED TO THE NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL, COUNTERTERRORISM, AL...
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| 02:51:15 |
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INFORMATION, INFORMATION SHARING, ORGANIZATION, TRAINING OF PEOPLE, AND THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING. >> OK. LET ME COME BACK TO A TIME PERIOD...
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| 02:51:42 |
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PERIOD. IN DECEMBER OF 1999. DO YOU RECALL, GENERAL RENO, AT ALL, CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR PERSONAL ROLE IN THIS MILLENNIUM THREAT PERIOD, HOW OFTEN...
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| 02:52:58 |
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IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE
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| 02:53:00 |
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DISMISSED WHAT
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HAPPENED DURING THAT TIME
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| 02:53:03 |
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BY SAYING IT WAS BECAUSE OF AN ALERT CUSTOMS
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| 02:53:06 |
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OFFICER. I WANTS TO PAY SPECIAL COMMENDATION TO THE ALERT CUSTOMS OFFICER. SHE WAS SHARP AND RIGHT ON TARGET. AND IT WAS AN EXTREMELY -- WASN'T A...
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| 02:55:03 |
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HARD
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| 02:55:04 |
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ISSUES. THEY CAN CUT TRUE THE RED
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| 02:55:06 |
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| 02:55:08 |
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TAPE. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT. >> MY TIME HAS JUST ABOUT RUN OUT. TO CLARIFY ONE POINT. YOU THINK THE DECISION MADE BY THE GUARD ON THE BORDER TO GET...
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| 02:55:32 |
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THE PRINCIPALS' MEETING? >> NO. I THINK SHE DID THAT -- NO. I THINK THAT WAS GOOD POLICE WORK. AND IT WAS A LUCKY BREAK FOR US. BUT YOU'VE GOT...
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| 02:55:52 |
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PRINCIPALS ARE MEETING DOES HAVE AN IMPACT
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| 02:55:54 |
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0 BRINGING THE C.I.A. DIRECTOR, F.B.I. DIRECTOR AND YOU AND THE PRESIDENT TOGETHER TO MAKE DECISIONS ON A REGULAR BASIS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND...
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| 02:56:11 |
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I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. I AGREE WITH YOU, THIS INTELLIGENCE BUSINESS I HAVE BEEN GETTING TO LEARN IS VERY MYSTERIOUS. AND NOBODY TEACHES IT OUTSIDE...
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| 02:56:25 |
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IS PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE EVERYTHING I KNOW, EVERYBODY TELLS ME WONDERFUL AGENTS AND I KNOW SOME OF THEM.
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| 02:56:33 |
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THEY ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. TOTALLY DEDICATED. AND THEY ARE TOTALLY DEDICATED PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE AGENCY. YET, THE AGENCY DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL. AND...
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| 02:57:54 |
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HE HAS BUILT ON WHAT OTHERS HAVE DONE, WHAT DALE WATSON, WHAT BOB BRYANT AND COUNTLESS AGENTS HAVE DONE. I THINK HE KNOWS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I THINK...
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| 02:58:52 |
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AND IN
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| 02:58:57 |
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IT COUNTERTERRORISM POLICY WAS DESCRIBED AS, AND I QUOTE, TO TREAT TERRORISTS AS CRIMINALS, TO PURSUE THEM AGGRESSIVELY, AND TO APPLY THE RULE OF LAW....
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| 03:00:02 |
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BEEN THE IMPORTANT STEP. AT THE SAME TIME -- AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT DIRECTOR FREEH WAS SAYING THAT ONE OF THE BEST WAYS...
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| 03:00:53 |
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TO PURSUE ON A STRICTLY UNCLASSIFIED BASIS THIS ISSUE OF AUTHORITIES TO ACT BECAUSE WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE PENTAGON AND ASKING THE...
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| 03:02:52 |
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HAD TO DO THAT FIRST, IS THAT AN ACCURATE REFLECTION OF IT? >> AGAIN, MY
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| 03:02:56 |
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PERSONAL OPINION
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| 03:02:57 |
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WOULD BE THAT HE COULD
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| 03:02:58 |
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BE CAPTURED
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| 03:02:59 |
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OR KILLED. >> ROGER THAT. THE OTHER -- THE OTHER APPROACH, APART FROM CAPTURING OR KILLING SO WHAT, THE PENTAGON, A NUMBER OF SENIOR PENTAGON
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| 03:03:16 |
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OFFICIALS HAVE WRITTEN PUBLICLY AND I'LL READ FROM ONE OF THEM, BUT AGAIN IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE
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| 03:03:24 |
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CLASSIFIED TESTIMONY WE HAVE. AND THAT IS, " -- TALKING TO WHAT THEY PERCEIVED AS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT POLICIES THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. "IF YOU...
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| 03:04:33 |
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SENATOR KERREY? >> VERY NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. AND HELPING
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| 03:04:37 |
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US TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT. LATER THIS AFTERNOON, COFER BLACK, HEAD OF
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| 03:04:45 |
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THE C.D.C. FRAMED THIS WHOLE THING VERY WELL WHEN HE SAYS -- HE'S GOING TO SAY
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| 03:04:51 |
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IT
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| 03:04:53 |
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AND I'M GOING
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| 03:04:55 |
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TO SAY WHAT HE SAY WE TRIED TO DO, BUT WE FAILED TO DO IT. I SEE THREE BIG FAILURE, MISTAKES THAT WERE MADE BOTH IN THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION AND ...
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| 03:06:33 |
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THE SECOND ITEM, THAT IS EQUALLY PERPLEXING. AL QAEDA WASN'T A GROUP OF TERRORISM, BUT PART OF AN ISLAMIC JIHAD CALLED A
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| 03:06:44 |
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JIHAD AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WAS
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| 03:06:47 |
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THERE EVER ANY DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN YOU AND AND THE PRESIDENT, ANY INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS
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| 03:06:56 |
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ABOUT ALL SAYING WE CAN'T LET THIS ARMY INSIDE THE UNITED STATES AND WE HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN WE DON'T EITHER THROUGH COUNSELOR OFFICE OR I.N.S. OFFICE...
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| 03:07:27 |
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AND I THINK WE FAILED THERE. >> BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THOUGH THAT IT HAD TO OCCUR AT A CABINET MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT SAYING, LOOK THIS IS AN ARMY....
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| 03:07:50 |
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FAIR, BECAUSE I'M TREATING YOU AS IF YOU'RE DIRECTOR FREEH. >> QUITE FAIR. GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> I DIDN'T LIKE HIS ANSWER. HE HID BEHIND THE GUARD REPORT....
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| 03:08:02 |
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REPORT. I MEAN, WE WERE AT EASE ON THE 11 SEPTEMBER. WE WERE NOT
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| 03:08:08 |
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PREPARED FOR A HIJACKING. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN IN YOUR MIND? I MEAN, YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANT AUTHORITIES OVER THE F.B.I.
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| 03:08:14 |
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AND, YOU
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| 03:08:16 |
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KNOW, THIS THINGS COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN 20 HUNDRED AS EASILY AS 2001. WHAT DID WE MISS? WHAT HAPPENED THAT ALLOWED US TO BE SO RELAXED ON 11 SEPTEMBER...
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| 03:08:52 |
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TO YOU AND THE COMMISSION AT
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| 03:08:54 |
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THE OUTSET OF THIS COMMISSION IS THE ISSUES THAT I THINK WE HAD TO ADDRESS AT THE BUREAU. I GAVE MY REASONS FOR HOW THEY HAPPENED, WHAT WAS NECESSARY...
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| 03:09:13 |
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AND I WOULD ALSO STRESS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK PEOPLE FEEL THAT BECAUSE THERE IS IS A STRATEGY IN PLACE NOW, BECAUSE WILL IS A WAR,...
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| 03:10:38 |
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RESPECT TO TO COMMISSIONER LEEMAN'S QUESTIONING THAT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING
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| 03:10:44 |
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| 03:10:45 |
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THAT THE COMMUNICATION TO C.I.A. AGENTS IN THE FIELD WITH RESPECT TO KILL OR CAPTURE OF OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS THAT THEY WERE TOLD BURR SUPT TO DIRECTION...
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| 03:13:08 |
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FROM OIPR WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY AT THE C.I.A. AND ANOTHER PIECE CAME TOGETHER. PEOPLE HAD TALKED ABOUT DATA AS A LIKE WATER COMING OUT OF A FIRE...
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| 03:14:42 |
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ABOUT, THE BRIDGE AND TUNNEL THREAT THAT HAD BEEN INTERDICTED AND INTERRUPTED BY THE F.B.I. AS DIRECTOR FREEH HAD TALKED ABOUT, OUR UNSUCCESSFUL ATTEMPT...
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| 03:15:32 |
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FINAL QUESTION. YOU HEARD PERHAPS FROM DIRECTOR FREEH, THERE ARE OTHERS WHO HAVE COMMENTED ON THE PFIZER COURT INTERPRETATION OF THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE...
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| 03:15:50 |
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INFORMATION.
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| 03:15:51 |
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AND THE FACT
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| 03:15:53 |
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THAT THE DIRECTOR FREEH, A FORMER FEDERAL JUDGE, OTHERS IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DISAGREED WITH THE PFIZER COURT COURTS' NARROW INTERPRETATION WHICH...
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| 03:16:38 |
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APPEAL, DELAY WOULD OCCUR AND WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT EFFECT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE COURT. >> COULD YOU NOT HAVE TAKEN AN APPEAL ON SOME MATTER OF...
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| 03:17:05 |
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FIELDING? >> GENERAL RENO, THANK YOU FOR BEING
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| 03:17:14 |
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HERE. I'M VERY IMPRESSED, I'M SURE EVERYBODY IS IMPRESSED AT THE RECORD THAT YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED OF TRYING TO
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| 03:17:24 |
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ACKNOWLEDGE AND FIX ISSUES WITHIN THE F.B.I. AS YOU PERCEIVED
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| 03:17:29 |
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THEM AND TRIED TO DO IT
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| 03:17:30 |
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FROM WITHIN, BUT TRYING TO URGE THE DIRECTOR TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES AS YOU SAW THEM AND YOU JUST RELATED THOSE TO US. DID YOU EVER ADVISE...
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| 03:18:20 |
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HAD. AND THAT IT DIDN'T SHARE THE INFORMATION. I THINK SOME OF MY FRUSTRATION
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| 03:18:31 |
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WAS URGED ON, IF YOU WILL,
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| 03:18:35 |
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BY THE NATIONAL SECURITY CONSILL AND I HAD TOLD THEM WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO. I TOLD THEM OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAD, THE PROBLEMS WITH RESPECT TO AUTOMATION,...
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| 03:19:15 |
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TIME, AND ESPECIALLY IN AREAS OF NATIONAL SECURITY INTELLIGENCE, THERE'S A VERY VULNERABLE MOMENT WHEN THE BATON IS HANDED OFF AND THAT PERIOD OF TIME...
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| 03:20:11 |
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F.B.I.? >> I EXPRESSED TO HIM MY CONCERNS AND I GAVE HIM COPIES OF THE MEMORANDUM WHICH OUTLINED
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| 03:20:20 |
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MY CONCERNS. >> HOW ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS AND THE PROBLEMS WITH THE WALL AS WE'RE CALLING IT LOOSELY AND LEGAL AUTHORITIES? >> WITH RESPECT TO THE WALL,...
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| 03:20:37 |
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ARISING OUT
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| 03:20:41 |
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OF THE HO LEE THAT MR. BELLOWS CONDUCTED AT MY DISCRETION AND THERE WERE
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| 03:20:48 |
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CONCERNS. IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THE JULY JULY -- THE 1995 MEMORANDUM BE UPDATE AND DEPUTIES ATTORNEY GENERAL LARRY THOMPSON UPDATED IT AND I BELIEVE...
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| 03:21:48 |
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ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PERSONNEL, THE BUREAU, ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
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| 03:21:54 |
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RETENTION OR POSSIBLE RETENTION OF DIRECTOR FREEH? >> NO. >> OK. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> COMMISSIONER THOMPSON? >> >> MADAM...
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| 03:22:08 |
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TESTIMONY TODAY. I THINK YOU WERE A BOLD
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| 03:22:16 |
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AND GUTSY ATTORNEY GENERAL, AND
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| 03:22:18 |
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STOOD UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVED AND
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| 03:22:19 |
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PROVIDED EXTRAORDINARY LEADERSHIP ON MANY ISSUES DURING YOUR TIME AND I THINK THE NATION SHOULD
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| 03:22:26 |
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| 03:22:27 |
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BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> TWO QUESTIONS, IF I MIGHT. IN TODAY'S HEARING, AND IN PAST HEARINGS, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN UNDERCURRENT OR AN ASSUMPTION...
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| 03:22:50 |
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IS SOME KIND OF REPORTING RELATIONSHIP OR OUGHT TO
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| 03:22:54 |
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BE SOME KIND OF REPORTING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR OR THE DIRECTOR OF THE F.B.I....
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| 03:23:33 |
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OF THE F.B.I. HEADS
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| 03:23:34 |
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AS WELL, THE NATIONAL
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| 03:23:36 |
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SECURITY ADVISOR IS NOT SOME SORT OF SUPER A.G. OR SUPER DIRECTOR,
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| 03:23:41 |
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IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IN YOUR PREPARED TESTIMONY ON PAGE FIVE, I THINK IT'S WORTH REPEATING THIS FEW LINES. BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T ABLE...
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| 03:24:03 |
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INFORMATION. THERE ARE NO LEGAL RESTRICTIONS
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| 03:24:05 |
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AT ALL ON THE ABILITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO SHARE INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION WITH EACH OTHER. WITH RESPECT TO SHARING BETWEEN...
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| 03:25:35 |
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TRAIN, YOU GET FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FAILED TO DO WAS TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THEM TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEIR...
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| 03:26:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ISSUE. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT AND WHY WOULD YOU AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE NEEDED CONSENSUS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT BEFORE...
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| 03:26:50 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION MAKE THE DECISION BECAUSE, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT, I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE CONSENSUS, BUT I'VE GOT TO HAVE A PRETTY CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT'S...
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| 03:27:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TAKES EVERY NEW ADMINISTRATION THAT MUCH LONGER TO GET ITS KEY
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| 03:27:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PERSONNEL APPOINTED AN CONFIRMED. AND IT INVOLVES WHITE HOUSE PROCEDURE, ITS INVOLVES REQUIREMENTS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE,...
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| 03:28:42 |
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SERVE DURING THE ENTIRE FOUR YEARS. IT IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT POLICY, TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THESE CRITICAL ISSUE, TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND...
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| 03:29:18 |
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POLICE HAVE ASKED THAT YOU -- AS YOU LEAVE THE ROOM FOR LUNCH, PLEASE TAKE ALL PACKAGES OR BAGS WITH YOU, BECAUSE UNINTENDED ITEMS WILL DISAPPEAR....
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