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HAVING A PROGRAM AROUND HIS REMARKABLE CAREER, AND AT THAT MEMORIAL SERVICE THERE WERE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE C.I.A., OTHER AGENCIES, AND HAVE THE POLISH...
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| 00:06:12 |
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PEOPLE HAVE HEARD OF RICHARD KUKLINSKI IN THE UNITED STATES, MAYBE EVEN IN THIS ROOM, BEFORE RECENTLY. AND I HAD NEVER HEARD OF HIM EITHER. THAT MAY...
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| 00:21:25 |
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FOR POLAND, FOR HIS FAMILY, AND FOR THE UNITED STATES -- INDEED, FOR THE FREE WORLD. MY PARTICIPATION IN THIS AS AN ANALYST DOES NOT INVOLVE ROOTING...
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| 00:39:41 |
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THE OPERATION. YES, I WAS A CASE OFFICER, ONE OF MANY WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE CASE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU IN THE TIME AVAILABLE SOME OF THE IMPRESSIONS...
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| 00:59:23 |
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BEN WISER, WORKING THROUGH INTERVIEWS AND RECORDS AND ALSO THROUGH THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DEALT WITH HIM. I REFER TO THE EULOGY GIVEN...
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| 01:01:31 |
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YOUR THOUGHTS OF THE POLISH REACTION TO KUKLINSKI. THE FIRST REACTION FROM WARSAW IS HE IS A TRADER. WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE. HE WAS SENTENCED TO DEATH....
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| 01:03:07 |
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FORMER COMMUNIST LEADER IN POLAND. SOME PEOPLE IN THE ARMY WHO FELT STRONGLY SOMEHOW WHAT HE DID BETRAYED THE ARMY EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T THE ARMY...
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| 01:03:19 |
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HAVE. KUKLINSKI HAD BEEN CRITICIZED. ONE OF HIS MOST FRUSTRATING THINGS WAS HE COULDN'T OFTEN RESPOND TO THAT CRITICISM BECAUSE HE WAS LIVING IN A ...
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| 01:05:17 |
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REVIEWS THAT TAKE PLACE BETWEEN CASE OFFICERS THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS AND A SOURCE. FROM AN ANALYTIC PERSPECTIVE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND...
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| 01:08:34 |
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INFORMATION IN WARSAW IN A WARSAW CEMETERY. KARL GEBHARDT SET OUT ON A LONG SURVEILLANCE RUN AND EVENTUALLY DROVE INTO THE CEMETERY TO MEET KUKLINSKI....
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| 01:09:27 |
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BEING KICKED AROUND BY THE 911 COMMISSION IS A
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| 01:09:31 |
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DOCUMENT. IN THE COURSE OF
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| 01:09:33 |
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KUKLINSKI'S RELATIONSHIP WITH US HE TURNED OVER IN EXCESS OF 40,000 DOCUMENTS. ALL OF THOSE FROM, OBVIOUSLY, FROM SECRET FILES. AMANDA? OK. LET'S --...
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| 01:10:10 |
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DOING THIS. BEN, I WONDER IF YOU MIGHT TOUCH ON KUKLINSKI'S FAMILY SITUATION. PARTISANS OR WIVES OR OTHER FOLKS HE, IN A SENSE, HAD TO LEAVE BEHIND...
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| 01:10:51 |
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FROM ARGENTINA AND BACK TO INTENSIVE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, MOST EVENINGS, MOST WEEKENDS, STUDYING THE POLISH DAYTIME AT THE INSTITUTE AND NIGHTTIME...
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| 01:11:39 |
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RESCUE COLONEL KUKLINSKI, HE WAS EXFILL
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| 01:11:43 |
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TRADED, THE ENTIRE FAMILY WAS BROUGHT OUT. ALL RESETTLED IN THE UNITE COMPLETELY NEW IDENTITIES. >> OH, AMANDA, RIGHT HERE. >> I TAUGHT HIM POLISH 70...
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| 01:12:20 |
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THE BOOK. ARE YOU PLANNING TO MAKE A FILM OF IT? BECAUSE THIS
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| 01:12:25 |
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IS SOMETHING THAT ON TELEVISION SHOULD BE DONE THAT PEOPLE WILL LEARN
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| 01:12:29 |
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ABOUT
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| 01:12:30 |
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KUKLINSKI. AND IS YOUR BOOK GOING TO BE PUBLISHED IN POLISH OR ALREADY
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| 01:12:38 |
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PUBLISHED? PEOPLE ARE WAYING. >> IT IS BEING TRANSLATED AND WILL BE PUBLISHED IN POLAND EARLY NEXT YEAR. >> WE ARE HERE WITH SOME GROUP OF POLES AT...
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| 01:13:00 |
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THIS? SOMETHING OF KUKLINSKI AT ARLINGTON CEMETERY. IS IT TRUE?
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| 01:13:07 |
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NO. >> I BELIEVE COLONEL KUKLINSKI IS GOING TO BE BURIED IN POLAND. I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING IN ARLINGTON. >> NOTHING HERE. OK. THANK...
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| 01:13:30 |
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ARMS CONTROLLER. NOT ABOUT KUKLINSKI BUT SINCE YOU HAVE WORKED WITH
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| 01:13:36 |
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OTHERS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON A QUESTION WHICH I HAVE
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| 01:13:40 |
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HAD IN MY MIND. IN THE MID 1980'S PRESIDENT REAGAN SENT ME BEHIND THE CURTAIN TO TALK TO WARSAW PACT PEOPLE AND THE HEADS OF
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| 01:13:50 |
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STATES FOR POLAND, HUNGARY AND CZECHOSLOVAKIA. AND I WOULD BRIEF THE POPE. DO YOU THINK THERE WAS ANY CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YARSHALSKY AND...
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| 01:14:35 |
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IN "TIME" MAGAZINE IN 1992 OR SO. AND IN HIS BOOK ON HIS HOLYNESS A FEW YEARS -- HOLINESS A FEW YEARS LATER. THE CRITICAL MEETING ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER...
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| 01:16:58 |
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THAT ISSUE. SPECIFICALLY THERE HAS BEEN DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER BILL CASEY COMPROMISED BY PROVIDING INFORMATION TO THE VATICAN ABOUT WHAT
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| 01:17:08 |
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KUKLINSKI WAS PROVIDING. I WAS WONDERING IF THE C.I.A. OR ANY OF
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| 01:17:12 |
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YOU CAME TO A CONCLUSIVE DECISION ABOUT HOW YOU THINK THAT INFORMATION GOT TO THE K.G.B. OR TO THE RUSSIANS. >> I'LL SAY THAT IN THE BOOK I DO DEVOTE...
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| 01:17:44 |
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TO MEET WITH SOLOMAT. IT WAS UNSATISFACTORY. IT DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY REAL ANSWERS THAT CONFIRMED ANYTHING. I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW. >> HE HAS BEEN PURSUED...
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| 01:18:23 |
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MAGAZINE ABOUT WHAT SOLA MARTIN HAD SAID. HE SAID HE HAD FOUR MEN OF GOLD, SOURCES. THREE WERE IN ROME. ONE WAS OUTSIDE OF ROME. ONE OF THE BEST...
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| 01:19:51 |
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HERE? >>
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| 01:19:54 |
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YES. SEVERAL OF YOU HAVE DESCRIBED
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| 01:19:59 |
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YOUR COLONEL BUT NONE OF YOU HAVE TALKED -- YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE BEEN TREATING HIM LIKE A HUMAN BEING. NONE OF YOU MENTIONED HIS
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| 01:20:14 |
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INNERMOST THOUGHTS ABOUT RELIGION. DID HE HAVE A FAMILY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT HIS FAMILY, HIS RELATIONSHIP AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM WHEN...
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| 01:20:49 |
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AND ENTERED THE POLISH ARMY HE HAD A FERVENT SENSE OF BEING A POL. AND FELT HORRIBLE AS HE WATCHED THE SOVIETS ESSENTIALLY TAKE OVER AND RUN THE...
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| 01:23:50 |
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THE SCENES OF HIS SENSE OF IMPENDING DOOM AND THE TREMENDOUS RELIEF OF HAVING ACCOMPLISHED THE ACT AND STARTING DOWN THE SLIDE AGAIN. BECAUSE EVEN HERE...
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| 01:25:09 |
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TOUGH PERIOD? -- CLOLINGICALLY OK DURING THIS TOUGH
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| 01:25:15 |
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PERIOD? -- PSYCHOLOGICALLY OK DURING THIS TOUGH PERIOD? >> WE MET HIM AT THE SAFE HOUSE. IT WAS HARD. IT WAS VERY, VERY HARD FOR THEM AND ALL OF US...
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| 01:25:48 |
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SOME PURCHASES IN A STORE OF THINGS THEY NEEDED. WE TRIED TO DO ALL WE COULD TO TEASE SHOCK OF THE QUICK EXTRACTION AND THE WHOLE NEW SOCIETY WHERE...
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| 01:26:48 |
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MENTIONED CORRECTLY, THERE IS A MEMO QUOTED IN THE BOOK, ROUGHLY 40,000 SOVIET DOCUMENTS WERE TURNED OVER BY KUKLINSKI. THAT IS NOT PIECES OF PAPER,...
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| 01:27:57 |
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TO BE HERE, TO LIVE IN A SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE. I HOPE THAT YOU WILL TAKE THIS AS AMUSING. I INTEND IT TO BE. THERE IS AN ELEMENT, A PART IN BEN'S BOOK...
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| 01:29:51 |
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TO
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| 01:29:53 |
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POLASKI EITHER BECAUSE NOBODY OTHER THAN AN AMERICAN CITIZEN CAN BE BORN -- I MEAN CAN BE BURIED AT ARLINGTON CEMETERY. THE ONLY PLAQUE IS THE NAZI...
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| 01:31:17 |
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MEYER THERE WAS AN AMERICAN HONOR GUARD FOR KUKLINSKI. >> AND THE POLISH NATIONAL ANTHEM. ONE QUESTION HERE AND ONE HERE AND THIS WRAPS IT UP. >> WE RECEIVED...
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| 01:31:36 |
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19. WITH FULL MILITARY HONORS WITH AN HONOR GUARD. >> THANK YOU.
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| 01:31:42 |
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YES. ONE QUESTION BACK
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| 01:31:50 |
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HERE. >> ONE FINAL QUESTION I GUESS FOR BEN, ACTUALLY. ARE YOU STILL CONNING TO RESEARCH THIS STORY AND ARE YOU
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| 01:32:01 |
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LEARNING NEW THINGS YET AND DO YOU EXPECT THAT A MAJOR REVELATIONS ARE STILL TO BE EXPECTED? >> WELL THE BOOK IS THE BOOK. AND, YOU KNOW, I -- I...
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| 01:32:15 |
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KUKLINSKI -- YOU KNOW, THE STORY HE WANTED TO TELL. IT IS A STORY THAT I THINK SHOWS THE HUMAN INTELLIGENCE OPERATION AND THE HUMAN SIDE OF THAT AS...
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| 01:32:30 |
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THAT. >> WHY DON'T WE. I'D JUST LIKE TO -- FIRST OF ALL, TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK BEN WEISER, ARIS PAPPAS FOR A REMARKABLE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU SO...
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| 01:32:55 |
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WI >> GOOD
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.