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EUROPE, PRIMARILY IN FRANCE, BELGIUM, SPAIN, SOME WORK IN ENGLAND AND NORTH AFRICA. FROM ALL OF THE INTELLIGENCE CHIEFS THAT I'VE INTERVIEWED CONSISTENTLY...
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| 00:00:19 |
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THEY WORRY ABOUT MUCH MORE CATASTROPHIC ATTACKS. I THINK WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE FORGET IS THAT THE ATTACKS OF 9/11 TOOK TWO YEARS TO PLAN. AND THERE'S...
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| 00:01:22 |
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MUCH MORE AMORPHOUS AND A LOOSER KIND OF NETWORK AND AL QAEDA CELLS,
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| 00:01:26 |
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WHEN WE LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE PARIS EMBASSY BOMBING PLOT THAT WAS BROKEN BY THE FRENCH, THEY WERE GIVEN FAIRLY AMORPHOUS ORDERS FROM AFGHANISTAN,...
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| 00:02:31 |
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STUDY ARABIC. WENT TO THE MIDDLE EAST FOR THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, COVERED THE MIDDLE EAST AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE COMMUNIST REGIMES IN EAST
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| 00:02:40 |
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GERMANY, CZECHOSLOVAKIA AND ROMANIA, WORKED IN INDIA AND AFRICA, WAS HIRED BY THE "NEW YORK TIMES" IN 1990, COVERED THE GULF WAR AND THEN IN 1991 I...
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| 00:03:20 |
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THE FIGHTING. >> WHATWHAT DOES THIS MEAN, THIS TITLE OF
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| 00:03:23 |
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YOUR NEW BOOK " WAR IS
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| 00:03:25 |
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A FORCE
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| 00:03:26 |
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THAT GIVES US MEANING"? >> I HAD ALWAYS LIKED AND BEEN VERY INFLUENCED BY A BOOK BY THE HISTORIAN CRANE BRITAIN, "ANATOMY OF A REVOLUTION," WHERE HE...
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| 00:03:42 |
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IT THAT CREATES REVOLUTION. AND HE LOOKED AT SEVERAL REVOLUTIONS TO DO THAT. IT REMAINS FOR ME A FASCINATING BOOK. AND I WANTED
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| 00:03:49 |
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TO DO THE SAME THING WITH WAR. I WANTED TO -- AND I'VE COVERED YOU KNOW, A DOES CONFLICTS. I WAS A SEMINARIAN SO I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IN MORAL AND ETHICAL...
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| 00:04:55 |
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FOR SOCIETIES THAT SUPPORT A WAR, THAT GO INTO WAR,
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| 00:04:58 |
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BUT FOR THE
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| 00:04:59 |
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PARTICIPANTS THEMSELVES, IT HAS A VERY -- IT'S A VERY DARK AND FRIGHTENING ELIXIR. >> EVEN WITH ITS DESTRUCTION YOU WRITE AND ITS CARNAGE IT CAN GIVE...
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| 00:05:26 |
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THIS KIND OF CORPORATE SENSE, THIS COMRADESHIP WHERE SUDDENLY WE
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| 00:05:31 |
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PEOPLE AT ONE, THEY WRITE ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHERE POWER WHEN YOU HAVE THAT EXTERNAL THREAT ONE FEELS AS PART OF A WHOLE AND HE WRITES AND I THINK...
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| 00:06:35 |
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CHOOSE FEALTY AND SELF-SACRIFICE OVER SECURITY. >> WAR AT ITS INCEPTION ALWAYS LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE LOVE, THE CHIEF EMOTION THAT WAR DESTROYS. AND,...
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| 00:06:59 |
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UNINSPECTED, UNTAMED, ENDS WITH SELF-SACRIFICE, SELF-ANNIHILATION AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO DANGEROUS. >> PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR CHRIS HEDGES. IF YOU'D...
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| 00:07:27 |
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BOOK. I -- I NEVER REALLY LIKE NARRATIVES BY JOURNALISTS ABOUT -- I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT -- THERE'S A VERY DARK SIDE TO WHAT WE DO. AND I FIND THAT,...
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| 00:07:46 |
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ONLY GOOD AT SUSTAINING THE NATIONAL MYTH BUT THE MYTH ABOUT THEMSELVES. SO THE POINTS WHERE I DID BRING MYSELF UP OR I DID PULL SORT OF ANECDOTES...
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| 00:08:30 |
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NIGHTLY WROTE A GREAT BOOK "THE FISHES CASUALTY" TAKING THE QUOTE
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| 00:08:37 |
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FROM
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| 00:08:38 |
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HIRAM WALKER. HE LOOKED AT THE WAY THE PRESS REPORT OND THEIR OWN CONFLICTS FROM
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| 00:08:45 |
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THE CRIMEAN WAR UP TO THE PRESENT DAY AND IN EVERY SINGLE CONFLICT THE PRESS SEES ITSELF AS PART OF THE WAR EFFORT, AS -- AS AN ENTITY WHICH MUST SORT...
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| 00:09:19 |
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ALSO GOOD. AND THAT MIGHT
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| 00:09:23 |
Caller, -
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| 00:09:25 |
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BE ANTITHETICAL TO
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| 00:09:27 |
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YOUR BOOK BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK BACK AND SEE GOOD THINGS WERE ACCOMPLISHED, AND I'M NOT CHAMPIONING WAR BUT I'M IMMEDIATELY THINKING AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT...
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| 00:10:27 |
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NOT INTERCONVENIENCE
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| 00:10:28 |
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IN RWANDA WHEN YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO STOP GENOCIDE AND IF WE LEARNED ANYTHING FROM THE HOLOCAUST WE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THEREth AND YOU ARE IN SOME...
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| 00:11:55 |
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SOLDIERS, SOLDIERS HAVE IT.
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| 00:11:57 |
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AND THAT'S -- THEY -- THEY NEED THE RUSH OF WAR. THEY HAVE A HARD TIME COPING IN PEACE TIME SOCIETY. THEY -- THEY'RE VERY TRAUMATIZED BY IT. AND NEWS...
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| 00:12:42 |
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WITH MIGUEL MARINO. THERE WAS -- I TALK ABOUT A PHOTOGRAPHER IN THE BOOK WHO HAD COVERED THE WAR IN EL SALVADOR AND TRIED TO GIVE IT UP AND
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| 00:12:50 |
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CAME BACK AND COULDN'T AND ESSENTIALLY WE KNEW WHEN HE CAME BACK THAT HE'D COME BACK TO DIE. >> STERLING, MICHIGAN, YOU'RE NEXT, REPUBLICAN. >> Caller:...
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| 00:13:17 |
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I'M READING DIRECTLY FROM HIS BOOK SAYS
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| 00:13:19 |
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THAT THIS WAS A SELF--- CALLOUS SELF-KILLING WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO SHOCK THE WEST, ESPECIALLY CENTIMETERAL AND GULLIBLE WASHINGTON IN ORDER TO RAISE...
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| 00:14:21 |
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YOU KNOW, THE FACT IS THERE WERE 1,000 TO 2,000 HEAVY SHELLS COMING
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| 00:14:26 |
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INTO AIR YEA VOA DAILY AND THE NOTION THAT SOMEHOW THE SERBS WOULD NOT HAVE -- SAID LET'S NOT PUT SHELLS THERE THERE'S A MARKETPLACE IS PATENTLY ABSURD,...
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| 00:15:33 |
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WE'RE LIKELY TO GO INTO
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| 00:15:35 |
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FURTHER WAR. AND IN THE LAST SEGMENT THEY BROUGHT UP THE INVESTIGATION, AN INVESTIGATION THAT WILL BE CONDUCTED ON IT. AND A LARGE NUMBER OF CALLS ...
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| 00:17:04 |
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AN INTELLIGENCE FAILURE. AND, YES, CERTAINLY A FIGURE, ESPECIALLY I THINK BY MR. KISSINGER, CERTAINLY A FIGURE BY -- LIKE DR. KISSINGER IS PRETTY SUSPECT....
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| 00:17:46 |
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LIKE HEZBOLLAH AND
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| 00:17:48 |
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RELATED GROUPS? >>
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| 00:17:51 |
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AL QAEDA IS -- IS DIFFERENT FROM MANY OF THE OTHER TERRORIST GROUPS. YOU KNOW, AL QAEDA CAME OUT OF THE NATIONALIST ISLAMIC MOVEMENTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST,...
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| 00:18:13 |
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FROM VARIOUS COUNTRIES. AND NO LONGER WERE THEY CONCERNED, PRIMARILY, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE GIA, THE ARMED ISLAMIC GROUP IN ALGERIA WITH THE SO-CALLED...
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| 00:21:07 |
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TANGIBLE THING, BUT SOME MIGHT SAY IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE HAD AND THAT IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A REQUEST THAT THE FEDERAL ...
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| 00:21:49 |
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PROITISM. THAT'S VERY DANGEROUS. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED BY COVERING VARIOUS CONFLICTS, WE HAD THAT ISSUE OF CULTURAL GENOCIDE IN BOSNIA WHERE...
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| 00:24:11 |
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TALKING ABOUT CULTURE, AND IT REMINDED ME WHEN JOHN WALTER WAS ON C-SPAN, I BELIEVE LAST WEEK, AND HE WAS SAYING THAT THEY -- FEELS THAT THEY SUCCESSFULLY...
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| 00:24:27 |
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SEE
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| 00:24:28 |
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| 00:24:29 |
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THAT MR. HUTCHISON, THE DEA MAN, IS GOING TO BE PUT IN CHARGE OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE BORDER AND MR. WALTER ANNOUNCED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE STOPPING...
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| 00:25:41 |
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A FAKET AS WELT WORLD
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| 00:25:45 |
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STOOD ON ITS
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| 00:25:46 |
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HEAD. MY CONCERN IS WE'RE IN A WAR IN A WAR THAT'S BEEN
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| 00:25:49 |
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THRUST UPON US. WE ARE DEALING WITH FANATIC ISLAMISTS WHO ABIDE BY THE LAWS OF THE RELIGION, WHERE NO TREATY WITH AN INFIDEL NEEDS TO BE HONORED,...
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| 00:27:59 |
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THE PEOPLE ARRAYED AGAINST US CALL
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| 00:28:02 |
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US INFIDELS AND OTHER NAMES AND WE CALL THEM BARBARIANS. WE CANNOT BECOME LIKE THEM. AND WE CANNOT ASSUME THAT THEY SOMEHOW REPRESENT THE TENS OF ...
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| 00:31:15 |
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A CANCER PATIENT MAY HAVE TO INGEST A POISON
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| 00:31:19 |
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TO FIGHT OFF CANCER, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A SOCIETY HAS TO INGEST THE POISON OF WAR IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. BUT IT IS A POISON. ALWAYS A POISON. AND IT...
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| 00:32:02 |
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GUESS, I FORGET WHICH GREEK
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| 00:32:05 |
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PHILOSOPHER SAID WE MAKE WAR SO WE
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| 00:32:07 |
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MAY LIVE IN PEACE AND THE ONE GENTLEMAN WAS -- USED
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| 00:32:10 |
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SO MANY BIG WORDS, I ONLY UNDERSTOOD HALF OF IT, JUST PREVIOUSLY. BUT ANYWAY I LOOK AT IT HAVE A VERY SIMPLISTIC
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| 00:32:17 |
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POINT I LOOK AT THE FREEDOMS -- I WORK WITH JEW, MUSLIM,
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| 00:32:21 |
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CHRISTIAN, AGNOSTIC AND EVERYBODY BASICALLY IN THIS COUNTRY STILL CAN PRACTICE AS THEY WANT, DO WHAT THEY WANT AND LIVE, IN MY OPINION, A FREE LIFE....
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| 00:33:22 |
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ARE PORTRAYING THE MUSLIM WORLD, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE ALL SORTS OF OPINIONS HAVING -- REALLY KNOWING VERY, VERY LITTLE ABOUT ISLAM AND VERY LITTLE...
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| 00:36:13 |
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PRETTY MUCH DROWNED OUT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW THAT WITH PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE -- YOU KNOW, THE WILD SORT
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| 00:36:22 |
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OF PATRIOTIC EMBRACE THAT FOLLOWED 9/11, THEY WERE PRETTY ROUNDLY ATTACKED, AND THAT SUBSIDED SOMEWHAT. IF WE GET ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICAN...
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| 00:36:55 |
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PALESTINIAN CULTURE? THANK YOU I'LL LISTEN. >>
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| 00:36:57 |
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YOU'VE DONE SEVERAL THINGS FOR "HARPER'S," INCLUDING A DIARY? ZI WENT AND LIVED IN A REFUGEE CAMP IN GAZA CALLED HANI YUNUS AND I WROTE THE COVER STORY...
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| 00:37:18 |
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CAMP. AND IT WAS PRETTY SEARING IN THE END, ENDED UP TO BE A PRETTY SYRIAN INDICT OF THE WAY THE ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCE AND SETS LETTERS AND ISRAELIS...
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| 00:39:33 |
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SEE LIFE AS NEATING TO BE
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| 00:39:35 |
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A GROWTH CONTINUUM. AND I GO TO THE PRESSES AND SAY WAIT A MINUTE, I DON'T SEE LEADERSHIP HERE EVEN THOUGH I VOTED FOR YOU AND I LIKE TO SAY I'M REPUBLICAN...
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| 00:40:48 |
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OF TROIKA
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| 00:40:49 |
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WITH PUTIN AND SHARON. AND I THINK MANY PEOPLE FORGET THAT MUCH OF THE WORLD, ESPECIALLY THE MUSLIM WORLD, SEES US THROUGH THE PRISM OF PALESTINIAN...
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| 00:42:24 |
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THE SIMPLE REASON
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| 00:42:25 |
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THAT I'M ASKED BY FRIENDS HERE SINCERELY WHY DO THEY HATE US. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT AND I TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT. BUT NOW, WHEN I GO TO MY PARENTS'...
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| 00:43:10 |
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I THINK THAT JUST AS PERHAPS MANY MUSLIMS IN THE MIDDLE EAST ARE IGNORANT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY, WHAT ITS TENETS ARE, WHO ITS SPOKES PEOPLE ARE, WE ARE...
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| 00:44:35 |
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ENEMIES? >> RIGHT. I THINK WHAT PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT ISLAMIC MOVEMENTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS THAT THEY'RE NATIONALLY BASED. AND A GOOD ANALOGY COMES...
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| 00:44:50 |
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COMMUNISM WHERE CZECH
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| 00:44:51 |
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COMMUNISTS OR YUGOSLAV COMMUNISTS OR ROMANIAN OR POLISH
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| 00:44:56 |
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COMMUNISTS ARE NOT RUSSIAN COMMUNISTS. AND THESE -- THE FACT IS THAT ISLAMIC MOVEMENTS HAVE BECOME THE VOICE OF THE OPPOSITION. MANY OF THESE -- I'M NOT...
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| 00:46:59 |
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COMING IN THIS MORNING TALKING ABOUT YOUR BOOK. >> THANK YOU, THANKS, CONNIE. >> WE ARE GOING TO TURN, NOW, BACK TO YOUR PHONE CALLS AND CHANGING A...
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| 00:47:09 |
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A DECISION ABOUT HOW HE'S GOING TO HANDLE SOME OF THE NASS FORESTS, AND A CHANGE OF GIVING INDIVIDUAL MANAGERS IN NATIONAL FORESTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY
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| 00:47:19 |
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MORE DISCRETION.
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| 00:47:21 |
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THIS IS ROBERT PEAR'S PIECE
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| 00:47:23 |
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IN THE FRONT PAGE OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES," WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND GET YOUR REACTIONS
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