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WAS INVENTED BY HENRY DAVID THOREAU BY
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AN AGGRESSIVE WAR BY THE UNITED STATES. AND THAT WAS THE MEXICAN
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WAR. AND HE SAID THAT IT WAS A WAY OF DEMONSTRATING, I THINK, THAT YOU WERE CASTING YOUR WHOLE VOTE, NOT A STRIP
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OF PAPER MERELY, BUT YOUR WHOLE INFLUENCE CLOGGING BY THE WAY OF YOUR OWN RESISTANCE WHAT WAS GOING ON. AN INDIVIDUAL CAN'T DO THAT. EVEN 100, 200...
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DO YOU REMEMBER? ABOUT THE
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NEED TO GO IN. >> I WAS UNHAPPY IN 1991 WHEN WE STOPPED THE WAR AND LEFT THIS BRUTAL TYRANT IN POWER. I THINK WE BETRAYED THE PEOPLE UP AGAINST SADDAM,...
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| 00:02:03 |
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KUWAIT. AND REPELLED HIS AGGRESSION. THAT WAS A BIG MISTAKE I THINK ON THE PART OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. WHICH I SERVED, THE FIRST BUSH ADMINISTRATION,...
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| 00:02:12 |
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AND A MORAL MISTAKE. I THOUGHT EVER SINCE THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO LIBERATE IRAQ. I HOPED WE COULD DO IT PEACEFULLY AS MANY PEOPLE DID. WE TRIED WITH...
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| 00:02:52 |
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AMONG THE
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SHI ITS IN
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THE SOUTH AND KURDS IN THE NORTH. REALLY DEPARTING FROM OUR OWN ARMISTICE AGREEMENTS, NOT ENFORCING A NO-FLY ZONE, THAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE EASILY...
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AMERICAN POLICY. >> DID YOU WRITE MEMOS -- >> I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT RAISED THE
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ISSUE, CERTAINLY PAUL
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WOLFOWITZ WE KNOW NOW RAISED
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THE ISSUE AT THE TIME. PAUL WOLFOWITZ
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| 00:05:46 |
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WERE NOT IN A POSITION TO GET OUR CASE HEARD TERRIBLY WELL. I MADE A CASE IN THE BALKANS LATER IN 1991. THAT, OF COURSE, WENT NOWHERE EITHER. I
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| 00:05:56 |
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DON'T THINK THESE WERE SIMPLY IMMORAL
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DECISIONS BY THE PRESIDENT. THESE WERE JUDGMENT CALLS. THERE WERE ARGUMENTS -- >> BUT THEY WERE IMMORAL. >> THAT'S NOT SO EASY TO CALL A POLITICAL DECISION...
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WASN'T IN FAVOR OF GOING TO
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BAGHDAD. >> THAT'S SUPPORTING A POPULAR UPRISING AND NOT GOING TO WAR AT ALL. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAY IN YOUR BOOK. >> NO, BUT IF YOU'RE -- WHAT I'M...
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A TYRANTICAL
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GOVERNMENT. AND LEAVE THEM THERE AFTER -- SO THEY
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| 00:06:52 |
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WERE MORE ENCOURAGED? >> I'M AGREEING
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| 00:06:54 |
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WITH YOU HERE, WE WERE IN A POSITION TO CLEAR THE SKIES OF SADDAM'S -- >> WE SHOULD HAVE DONE
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| 00:06:59 |
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SO. >> BUT THOSE WERE KRIT TAL -- >> WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE GONE TO BAGHDAD. >> AND WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT WITH THE
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| 00:07:08 |
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SUPPORT OF THE SHIITES AND SUPPORT OF THE KURDS, WHICH WE'RE NOT DOING TODAY. WE WOULD
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HAVE HAD IT THEN. WE'RE NOT GETTING IT TODAY IN PART BECAUSE WE BETRAYED THEM AT THAT
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TIME. >> WE WILL GET IT. >>
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YOU'RE SURE OF THAT? >> YEAH. >> ARE YOU SURE? >> I'M QUITE
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SURE. >>
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WERE YOU SURE A WEEK AGO? DIDN'T YOU EXPECT MORE LIBERATING PHENOMENON? WHERE ARE THE ROSES? >> SADDAM'S FOLKS ARE KILLING PEOPLE WHO TRY TO COME OUT...
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EX AISLES. THERE
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ARE HUNDREDS
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OF
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THOUSANDS OF KURDS IN THE
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NORTH. BUT SUNNI AS WELL. THIS IS AN UNBELIEVABLE BRUTAL
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DICTATOR. >> YOUR CONFIDENCE HERE, YOUR POLICY HERE MAKES MORE SENSE OUT OF IT. WHAT IF YOUR CONFIDENCE OF -- WHAT IS THAT BASED ON? >> THAT MOST HUMAN...
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AMERICAN FORCES. >> THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. AND I SHARE THAT BELIEF. BY ALL ACCOUNTS, THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ, SHIITES,
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| 00:08:23 |
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KURDS, SUNNIS, DO NOT LIKE THE TYRANNY OF SADDAM HUSSEIN. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IN YOUR BOOK, AND WHAT I'VE HEARD ELSEWHERE FROM YOU, YOU VERY MUCH UNDERESTIMATE...
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| 00:08:36 |
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THAT'S AN OBJECTION TO FOREIGN INVADERS COMING IN AND DETERMINING THE POLITICS OF THE COUNTRY. AND BY THE WAY, A CONSIDERABLE DISTRUST THAT THE U.S....
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YOUR POINT ISN'T BECAUSE YOU BETRAYED THEM IN THE PAST WE SHOULD BETRAY THEM THIS TIME. >> NOT THAT WE SHOULD, BUT WE WILL. >> WE WILL NOT. >>
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| 00:09:37 |
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THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE SO.
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| 00:09:39 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE NOTION OF DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ I'M FOR. I'M FOR TOTALLY. AND FOR OTHER PLACES, TOO. I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M AGAINST IT, I HAVE TO SAY. HOWEVER, IS...
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| 00:09:55 |
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A DEFINITE INFLUENCE ON
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| 00:09:58 |
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INTEGRITY, I SHOULD SAY INSISTENT ON "INTEGRITY" MEANING NO INSISTENCE ARE REALLY IN CON FRICT. DEMOCRACY HAS A HIGH CHANCE, AS I'VE LEARNED, JUST...
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| 00:10:56 |
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NOT AGAINST IT. I'M MAKING A PREDICTION OF U.S. POLICY. >>
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| 00:10:59 |
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AND YOUR PREDICTION IS WHAT -- >> MY
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| 00:11:02 |
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PREDICTION IS THAT THE KURDS MONTHS AGO, IN A NO-FLY ZONE, HAD MORE AUTONOMY AND MORE DEMOCRACY THAN THEY'RE LIKELY TO HAVE IN A GOVERNMENT AFTER THE...
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| 00:11:15 |
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ALLOW AN AUTONOMOUS KURDISTAN TO BE A MAGNET FOR THEIR
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| 00:11:20 |
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KURDS. IN DEFERENCE TO THE TROOPS DESPITE THEIR
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| 00:11:23 |
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BEING DIFFICULT WITH US IN THE LAST MONTH, I THINK THE CHANCES THAT THE KURDS WILL HAVE LESS FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY, I WOULD SAY MORE THAT THE U.S. WILL...
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| 00:12:02 |
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THAT YOU HAVE THIS RELIGIOUS OR ETHNIC
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| 00:12:05 |
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VIEW THAT SOMEHOW THE -- WHAT'S WRONG WITH A SHIITE GOVERNMENT IN IRAQ? >>
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| 00:12:09 |
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IT'S FINE WITH ME IF THEY ACTUALLY SEPARATE FROM IRAQ. >> I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT
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| 00:12:16 |
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EITHER. MAYBE WE'VE
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| 00:12:18 |
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HAVE A CZECHOSLOVAKIAIAN, HELP THEM LIBERATE THEMSELVES. THEY DECIDED NOT TO KEEP CZECHOSLOVAKIA TOGETHER, THAT WAS FINE. >> LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT
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| 00:12:31 |
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FUTURE DETERMINISM -- LET'S TALK ABOUT
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| 00:12:34 |
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WHAT THE REGIME IS SERVED, WHY IT MADE THE DECISION YOU REGARD AS A PRACTICAL DECISION TO SUPPORT SADDAM TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS REMAINING IN...
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| 00:12:51 |
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IT WOULD WEAKEN SADDAM. >> VERY MUCH SO. SEE? >> THEY THOUGHT HE WOULD FALL OVER TIME. THEY THOUGHT HE WOULD BE SO WEAKENED OVER TIME, HE WOULD FALL....
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FLYING AND -- >> TO USE FORCE. >> PARDON ME, NOT ON THE GROUND. YOU KEEP HELICOPTERS
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| 00:13:15 |
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FROM FLYING IN THE
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| 00:13:17 |
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AIR. >> SO LET'S JUST BE HONEST ABOUT THIS. I FIND IT -- >> AMERICAN FORCE. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. BUT AIR POWER. AIR POWER
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| 00:13:26 |
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WE WERE AUTHORIZED FROM EVERY POINT OF VIEW TO USE, WAS AIR POWER THAT NOT BE
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| 00:13:31 |
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USED -- >> IT COULD
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| 00:13:33 |
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HAVE WELL HAVE REQUIRED GROUND FORCES. YOU SHOULD BE THE FIRST TO SAY THIS, IF I MIGHT SAY, IT WOULD BE
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| 00:13:38 |
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IRRESPONSIBLE TO USE AIR POWER IN THE PROSECUTION OF A MILITARY OBJECTIVE IF
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| 00:13:42 |
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YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO GO IN WITH GROUND FORCES AS WELL. >> WE HAD AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY COULD NOT USE AIR POWER WITHIN THEIR COUNTRY. PERFECTLY REASONABLE...
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| 00:13:54 |
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SO CONFIDENT THAT'S ALL WE HAD TO SAY. NO RESPONSIBLE ADMINISTRATION COULD HAVE DONE THAT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HELP A POPULAR AGAINST A DICTATOR, YOU...
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| 00:14:05 |
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GO ALL THE WAY. >> THE OTHER TERM IS TO DO NOTHING AND LET THEM BE SLAUGHTERED. MORE THAN WE LOST IN VIETNAM. >> I WAS NOT A
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| 00:14:14 |
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SUPPORTER OF THAT. >> WHY DID THEY DO IT? >> IT WOULD ENCOURAGE FURTHER UPRISINGS. >> HAD WE GO IN ON THE GROUND EVEN AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD HAVE HAD...
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| 00:14:28 |
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NOW. NOW, WHY IS IT NOT THE CASE NOW? >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SHIITE EX
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| 00:14:34 |
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AISLES COME BACK -- >> OUTSIDE THE
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| 00:14:36 |
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COUNTRY. >> PEOPLE WHO FLED THE
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| 00:14:39 |
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COUNTRY IN 1991 TO COME BACK
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| 00:14:41 |
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TO HELP FOR THE LIBERATION OF IRAQ. >> THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE THIS WAR HAVE FAILED ONE LESSON OF INTELLIGENCE HISTORY, WHICH IS NOT TO RELY TOO MUCH...
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| 00:14:51 |
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KNOWLEDGE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEFT THE COUNTRY, AND BEEN AWAY FOR YEARS IN MANY CASES, ON WHAT POPPED
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| 00:14:57 |
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THEIR FEELINGS INSIDE THE COUNTRY.
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| 00:14:59 |
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IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE INSIDE THE COUNTRY OF SADDAM. BUT MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS COUNTRY
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| 00:15:04 |
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MAY VERY WELL UNDERESTIMATE THE DESIRE OF THOSE PEOPLE NOT TO BE GOVERNED BY FOREIGNERS. SO WHEN I THINK THAT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE DOING THE LIBERATION...
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| 00:15:38 |
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NOW? BACK WHENEVER WE WERE BOMBED, AND THEN IT WAS POP LARP TO BE PATRIOTIC, AND EVERYBODY WANTED TO WAVE THEIR FLAGS, BUT WHEN IT'S HARD TO BE PATRIOTIC,...
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Caller, -
MAYBE MAKING CHOICES, THAT NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO LIKE, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PLEASE EVERYONE, THEN IT'S NOT POPULAR TO BE PATRIOTIC. AND, YOU KNOW,...
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| 00:16:55 |
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GENTLEMEN? MR. KRISTOL? WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE LAST ONE. >> WELL, I THINK THE AMERICAN INDIANS ARE NOW FULL CITIZENS OF AMERICA. WE HAVE INJUSTICES...
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IN TREATING THE AMERICAN INDIANS. I'M FOR EQUAL RIGHTS FOR AMERICAN
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| 00:17:09 |
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INDIANS. AND I'M FOR LIBERATEDDING
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| 00:17:11 |
Caller, -
THE PEOPLE
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| 00:17:12 |
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OF IRAQ FROM THIS TYRANNY. I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF PATRIOTISM, AND I THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WAR IS
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| 00:17:20 |
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TOUGH. AND I THINK THAT THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION WAS A LITTLE OVEROPTIMISTIC THE FIRST DAY OR TWO, AND HOPEFUL THAT WE MIGHT SECURE A VERY QUICK VICTORY...
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| 00:19:00 |
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PART OF WHEN I WENT TO VIETNAM. I WENT TO VIETNAM AS A LIBERATOR AND TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY. I WORKED FOR RETIRED CIA AGENT MAJOR GENERAL LANCEDALE WHOSE...
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| 00:21:04 |
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NORTH VIETNAMESE TYRANNY EITHER. >> HAVE YOU BEEN
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| 00:21:09 |
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TO NORTH VIETNAM? >> NO. I KNOW A MILLION OF PEOPLE LEFT VIETNAM. THEY LEFT NOT BECAUSE AMERICA WAS TAKING OVER NORTH VIETNAM, BUT BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT...
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| 00:21:23 |
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VIETNAM. >> IT'S VERY UNWISE, AS I DID, AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO DID THERE
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| 00:21:29 |
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WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT
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| 00:21:30 |
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MY ROLE WAS COUNTERTERRORISM. MY ROLE WAS COUNTERIN SUR YENSY. I WAS A PROFESSIONAL AT IT FOR A WHILE. STARTED WITHOUT KNOWING MUCH. AND I WAS WORKING...
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| 00:21:46 |
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THE CONVENIENT NOTION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO SEEM NOT TO BE COOPERATING WITH US, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT HELPING US WITH INFORMATION, WERE FRAMING FROM ...
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| 00:22:34 |
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IT. THAT WAS NOT THE CHOICE WE OFFERED THEM. WE NEVER OFFERED
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| 00:22:39 |
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REAL DEMOCRACY IN THAT COUNTRY FOR A MOMENT. THE QUESTION WAS, WOULD THEY INFORM AGAINST THEM OR WOULD THEY ALLOW THEIR SONS TO GO INTO THE HILLS AND...
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| 00:23:42 |
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BRAVING FIGHTING BEHIND THE AMERICAN LINES. WHATEVER ELSE YOU CAN SAY ABOUT THIS WAR, GEORGE BUSH IS NOT FIGHTING THE FIGHT OF
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| 00:23:49 |
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VIETNAM. WE DON'T NEED TO REFIGHT THE HISTORY THE
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| 00:23:52 |
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VIETNAM. >> THAT'S THE DANGER SADDAM MAY BE -- >> IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. >> LET'S TAKE A CALL, PARK HILL, OKLAHOMA, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller:...
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| 00:24:14 |
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THE
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| 00:24:16 |
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PSEUDO INTELLECTUALS BELIEVE. I WAS IN VIETNAM,
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| 00:24:19 |
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AND THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT TO BE -- YOU
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| 00:24:22 |
Caller, -
PEOPLE FROM THE LEFT TRY TO -- >>
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| 00:24:24 |
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PARDON ME, I JUST SAID THAT SEVERAL
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| 00:24:26 |
Caller, -
TIMES. >> Caller: IT'S MY TIME, AND I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR 20 MINUTES. PLEASE. I WANT YOU TO KNOW, SIR, THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY AT A TIME WHEN I WAS HEAVILY...
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| 00:24:45 |
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PAPERS.
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| 00:24:47 |
Caller, -
THE MORALE THAT TOOK -- THAT HIT BOTTOM IN THE SERVICE, THE DAMAGE THAT IT DID TO AMERICAN PSYCHE THAT RESULTED IN MARCHES AND SPREADING OUR CROWD...
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| 00:26:03 |
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CLEANSING IN THE BEGINNING. BUT I SUPPORTED INTERVENTION OF BOTH. >> WHAT WAS YOUR POSITION? >> I THINK WHERE WE MAY REALLY DISAGREE, IF I RECALL, IS...
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| 00:26:13 |
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THE IDEA OF PUTTING TROOPS INTO SERBIA. IVE CERTAINLY, AFTER VIETNAM, OPPOSED THAT VERY STRONGLY. NOT BECAUSE SERBIA OBVIOUSLY WAS A DICTATORSHIP AT...
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| 00:26:27 |
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TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH THE
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| 00:26:29 |
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SERBS OF THIS PERIOD DIFFERED FROM THE SERBS WHO FOUGHT OFTEN GERMAN DIVISIONS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR, HELD THEM DOWN. AND EVENTUALLY LIBERATED...
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| 00:27:23 |
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TWO GOOD REASONS TO GO TO WAR, AND I CAN'T
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| 00:27:25 |
Caller, -
THINK OF OTHERS. ONE IS, SOMEONE HAS DONE SOMETHING HORRIBLE TO YOU. OR IS REALLY ON THE VERGE OF DOING SOMETHING HORRIBLE TO YOU. OR TWO IS, SOMEONE...
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| 00:28:51 |
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HELPING LIBERATE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN A
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| 00:28:55 |
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REGIME LIKE SADDAM'S. >> SHE SAID TWO REASONS TO GO TO WAR, ONE, THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING HORRIBLE TO YOU, OR THAT THEY'RE MASSACRING PEOPLE. NOW YOU GO...
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| 00:29:17 |
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THERE ARE OTHER DICTATORS IN THE WORLD. THOUGH WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO RWANDA. BUT ON THE FIRST INSTANCE, THERE
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| 00:29:30 |
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IS THIS ISSUE OF 18 U.N. RESOLUTIONS, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, ET SETTLE RA, I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE RIGHT AND I THINK THE OBLIGATION TO...
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| 00:30:06 |
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DIRECT ATTACK. THAT OBVIOUSLY NOT -- DOES NOT APPLY HERE SINCE SADDAM. HE WAS NOT THE ATTACKER ON 89-11 OR WAS ABOUT TO DO ANOTHER ONE. ON THE OTHER...
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| 00:32:31 |
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AND THEY'RE TYING UP OUR GOVERNMENT'S
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| 00:32:33 |
Caller, -
RESOURCES JUST SO THEY CAN GO UP AND MAKE ARRESTS BY THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO OBVIOUSLY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KURDS AND THE SHIITES....
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| 00:33:21 |
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OF RWANDA. SHOULD WE HAVE NOT GONE INTO RWANDA? >> PARDON ME. BILL, YOU REALLY SLIDE OVER -- BY THE WAY, I WISH I HAD MY BOOK UP THERE, TOO. IT WASN'T...
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| 00:33:39 |
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THAT'S OKAY. >> THE ELLSBERG BOOK, AND THAT'S
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| 00:33:46 |
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THAT'S -- >> THAT'S MUCH THICKER. >> THERE YOU GO. THE -- RWANDA IS A VERY GOOD CASE. IN YOUR BOOK, WHICH I WAS
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| 00:33:54 |
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LOOKING THROUGH, I NOTICED THAT YOU SLID VERY -- YOU IMPLIED
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| 00:33:57 |
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IT WAS THE U.N., OR THAT WE SHOULD HAVE
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| 00:34:00 |
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INTERVENED, THE U.N. SHOULD HAVE INTERVENED, AND SLID OVER THE FACT THAT IT WAS THE
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| 00:34:05 |
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U.S. POSITION THAT WAS CRUCIAL IN PREVENTING
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| 00:34:07 |
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THE U.N. TO INTERVENE.
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| 00:34:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WE LOBBIED VERY HARD AGAINST THE U.N. INTERVENTION. OUR GOVERNMENT, A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT, REFUSED TO DEFINE THAT AS GENOCIDE, WHEN IT WAS AS CLASSIC...
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| 00:35:39 |
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Caller: GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU VERY
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| 00:35:42 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MUCH FOR THIS FORUM. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. ELLSBERG. I HOPE I'M SAYING YOUR NAME RIGHT. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO YOU FOR ALL OF ABOUT...
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| 00:35:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
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| 00:36:01 |
Caller, -
THERE. MY ARGUMENT IS THE LATE -- THE FIRST CALLER ABOUT THE VIETNAM THING, I BELIEVE IF WE DO NOT LEARN FROM OUR PAST, WE'RE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT....
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| 00:37:17 |
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KIDS THAT AGE AND THE FUTURE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP AGAINST THIS. IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING
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| 00:37:22 |
Caller, -
NOW, THEN IT'S GOING TO COME UP LATER. I RESPECT THE ELDER GENTLEMAN THERE THAT SAID HE WAS A MARINE. I WANT TO KNOW, DID HE VOLUNTEER OR DRAFTED DURING...
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| 00:37:56 |
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THEN. AND WENT INTO OCs AS SOON AS THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE ME. I FOUND, ACTUALLY, BEYOND THAT, I WAS PATRIOTIC. I WAS A COLD WAR ERA. I WAS ANTI-COMMUNIST....
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| 00:41:26 |
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MONTHS HAVE MEANT? AND TO GO IN WITH -- HAVING WORLD SUPPORT. IT SEEMS THE
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| 00:41:32 |
Caller, -
ADMINISTRATION STARTED THE BUILDUP PRIOR TO WORLD SUPPORT WITH NO NEGOTIATIONS IN MIND. AND SOME OF THE NEGOTIATIONS ON OTHER ISSUES AS FAR AS THE ...
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| 00:42:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
U.N. INSPECTION PROCESS GOING
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| 00:42:13 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IS BECAUSE WE HAD BEGUN MOVING TROOPS TO THE REGION. HE GAVE OUR FRIENDS AND NOT SO FRIENDLY NATIONS AT THE U.N. PLENTY OF TIME TO SEE IF THEY WERE...
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| 00:44:39 |
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VIETNAM, AND HOW DID YOU
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| 00:44:41 |
Caller, -
GET THERE WAS ALL THE MAN WANTED TO KNOW IS WERE YOU DRAFTED. NOW, ASK BILL KRISTOL IN VIETNAM? WERE YOU EVER IN BAGHDAD, SIR? I WAS IN BAGHDAD 29 YEARS...
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| 00:46:06 |
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WAS GOING ON THERE. >> THANK YOU. MR.
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| 00:46:08 |
Caller, -
ELLSBERG? >> I'M SORRY, I'M LAUGHING, BECAUSE THE POINT OF SHORT ANSWERS IS INDEED A SIN OF MINE TO GO ON TOO LONG. AS MY WIFE WOULD SYMPATHIZE, I'M...
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| 00:46:26 |
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STATE. ON OUR SIDE AT THIS MOMENT. PAKISTAN, OF COURSE, IS
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| 00:46:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ANOTHER. PAKISTAN WITH ITS NUCLEAR WEAPONS. NORTH KOREA, A DICTATORSHIP WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS. NOW, UNLIKE SADDAM. CHINA, MASSIVE DICTATORSHIP WITH NUCLEAR...
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| 00:49:17 |
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MATERIALS TO TERRORIST -- >> NO, I
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| 00:49:19 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THINK, BY THE WAY, THAT IS A SERIOUS DANGER. >> I WOULD TRY
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| 00:49:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO EFFECT REGIME CHANGE IN NORTH
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| 00:49:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
KOREA. >> AND
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| 00:49:27 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IF NOT. >> AND CHIN OH
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| 00:49:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO OPEN UP THE BORDERS. I THINK OUR POLICY TO CHINA HAS BEEN UNBELIEVELY WEAK. I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THE CHINA POLICY. >> YOU SAY BOMBING IT
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| 00:49:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND INVADING IT? >> NO. I AM IN FAVOR OF NORTH KOREA. THEREFORE,
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| 00:49:44 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PROBABLY OF SOME FORM OF EMBARGO
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| 00:49:47 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OR QUARANTINE WHICH
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| 00:49:49 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
REQUIRES MILITARY ENFORCEMENT. ONCE YOU'RE BEGINNING WITH MILITARY ENFORCEMENT, YOU HAVE TO THINK THROUGH THE CONSEQUENCES. >> THERE ARE DISTINCTIONS...
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| 00:50:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WHO SAY THAT WE JUST
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| 00:50:01 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WANT TO BOMB EVERYPLACE. I WOULD MAKE, THEREFORE, IN THE CASE OF NORTH KOREA, WHAT I WOULD LOOK AT HEART IS THE PEACEFUL PRESSURE FOR REGIME CHANGE,...
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| 00:50:17 |
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EXPORT, ANY KIND OF WEAPONS OF MASS
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| 00:50:19 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SDRUCTD RELATED MATERIAL FROM NORTH KOREA TO ANY TERRORIST GROUP OR OTHER ROGUE STATES. AND ON PAKISTAN, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN AXIS OF EVIL -- EVERYONE...
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| 00:50:56 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT IT MIGHT REVEAL TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SOMETHING MORE ABOUT WHY THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SO SKEPTICAL ABOUT U.S. POLICIES AND
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| 00:51:04 |
Caller, -
WHETHER IN FACT U.S. POLICIES ARE THE SOURCE OF SO MANY PROBLEMS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. AND THAT THAT DOESN'T -- ISN'T THE REAL REASON UNDERLYING THE ...
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| 00:51:37 |
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LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. WHY IS IT THAT THERE ARE MORE ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS OUT THAN
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| 00:51:42 |
Caller, -
PRO-WAR, DO YOU THINK? >> Caller: I REALLY THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE '60s. THE DEMONSTRATING AGAINST WAR IS FUN FOR A LOT OF THEM. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE...
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| 00:51:57 |
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STRANGE AND PICK OFF THE POLICE. IT'S SOMETHING TO DO. IT'S THE IN THING. >> WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? >> Caller: OKAY. MY QUESTION
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| 00:52:04 |
Caller, -
IS, LET'S GET THE HISTORY OF THE MIDDLE EAST. LET'S TOTALLY FORGET 9-11. US IN EUROPE DEVELOPED A PROBLEM IN THE MIDDLE EAST. WE DREW LINES JUST HERE...
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| 00:52:22 |
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THERE WHEN
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| 00:52:23 |
Caller, -
IT'S CONVENIENT, BE FRIENDLY, WHEN IT ISN'T, WE DESERT. WE'VE MADE A LOT OF ENEMIES THERE. WE BUILT SADDAM HUSSEIN. AS MUCH AS ANYONE IN THE WORLD,...
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| 00:53:49 |
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NIXON NIXON'S HEIRS ARE DOING 30 YEARS LATER. MOST OF HIS TAPES HAVE NOT BEEN RELEASED, 30 YEARS LATER. I JUST READ SOME OF THEM
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| 00:53:56 |
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LAST YEAR THAT WERE
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| 00:53:57 |
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VERY REVEALING. WHEN WE DO GET TO LOOK AT THEM, THE
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| 00:54:01 |
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REASON IS -- COMES OFTEN VERY CLEAR. IT'S NOT JUST THAT THOSE THINGS NEED NOT HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET. FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE PEOPLE KEEPING THEM...
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| 00:54:39 |
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REFERRING TO. NONE OF THOSE SECRETS IN THE FIRST BUSH
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| 00:54:44 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ADMINISTRATION'S DECISION-MAKING. NO SECRET THEY MISJUDGED THE SITUATION IN IRAQ IN 1991. >> I THINK THE REASON HAS TO -- >> WHAT ARE THE PAPERS UP...
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| 00:55:11 |
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NOT TO LET
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| 00:55:12 |
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THE PUBLIC SEE WHAT MIGHT EMBARRASS THEM RIGHT NOW IN
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| 00:55:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
GOVERNMENT. WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING REALLY VERY WRONG, I'M
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| 00:55:19 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SAYING THAT SOME OF THESE POLICIES, INCLUDING, BY THE WAY, BACKING SADDAM IN HIS MURDEROUS WAR AGAINST IRAN, AND THEN AT OTHER TIMES BACKING IRAN IN...
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| 00:56:35 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE STILL IN POWER,
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| 00:56:37 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HAVING A CONVERSATION, AN HONEST CONVERSATION, WEIGHING SERIOUS ISSUES IN THE BALANCE, THE WAY YOU HAVE TO DO IN GOVERNMENT, AND YOU COULD GET SOMETHING...
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| 00:56:49 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THERE'S A LITTLE TEST TO THAT. WHEN I PUT OUT 7,000
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| 00:56:52 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PAGES OF TOP-SECRET INFORMATION, PEOPLE HAVE HAD NOW 30 YEARS TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, ARE WE GLAD THE PRESIDENT GOT THIS HONEST ADVICE AT THE TIME,...
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| 00:57:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE BOMBING NORTH VIETNAM WOULD QUICKLY WIN THE WAR IN SOME CASES? OR COULD WE HAVE BETTER HELD OUR OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE AND CHANGED FOREIGN POLICY...
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| 00:57:44 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW, FOR THE LAST SEVERAL
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| 00:57:47 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MONTHS, PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE POSITION I WAS THEN, WHO KNOW THAT THERE ARE ESTIMATES INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT THAT CONGRESS OUGHT TO HAVE, BUT ARE NOT...
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| 00:59:03 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS WITH SOLDIERS OVER THERE, AND YOU'RE SAYING PEOPLE SHOULD PUT OUT MATERIAL THAT CAN REVEAL WAR PLANS, REVEAL -- >> DID YOU HEAR...
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| 00:59:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WHEN CONGRESS ASKED
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| 00:59:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE PRESIDENT FOR A RANGE OF ESTIMATES OF WHAT THE U.S. CASUALTIES MAY BE, AND WOLFOWITZ YOUR COLLEAGUE, SAYS WE DON'T HAVE SUCH ESTIMATES, THAT'S...
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| 00:59:30 |
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ANSWERED. >> WHAT DOES THAT
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| 00:59:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MEAN? YOU HAVE A MEMO FROM SOMEBODY THAT SAYS -- >> LET ME GIVE YOU -- >>
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| 00:59:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONTEMPORANEOUSLY -- WELL, IF WE GO FAST TO BAGHDAD, THE SUPPLY LINES WILL BE WEEK AND GET ATTACKED BY THE FEDAYEEN. WE CAN PUT THAT OUT TO THE IRAQIS...
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| 00:59:51 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CONGRESS HAS AUTHORIZED THIS WAR. >>> THEY HAVE IN TOTAL IGNORANCE
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| 00:59:55 |
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OF ALL -- >> THEY SHOULD HAVE
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| 00:59:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TESTIFIED. THEY ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE GOVERNMENT. NOT ELECTED CIVIL SERVANTS. >> I AGREE WITH YOU. SINCE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE TRUTH...
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| 01:00:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ONES THAT HAVE TOLD
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| 01:00:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE TRUTH. THERE ARE THREE OF
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| 01:00:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THEM WHO HAVE GIVEN UP THEIR CAREERS -- >> THOSE
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| 01:00:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ARE OFFICERS -- THAT'S NOT CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS ABOUT THE WAR PLANS. >> FORGET ABOUT THE WAR PLANS. I KNOW WHAT A WAR PLAN
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| 01:00:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IS. I'VE WRITTEN THEM AND I'VE READ THEM. AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY, HAVEN'T YOU? IS THAT RIGHT? I KNOW WHAT WAR PLANS LOOK LIKE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT...
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| 01:00:39 |
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OR HER BEST EXPERT CAPABILITY -- >>
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| 01:00:42 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
CLASSIFIED. >> -- CLASSIFIED, I'M TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE -- SHOULD HAVE -- THEY CAN SEE THAT AS WELL AS YOU OR I, AND JUDGE WHETHER...
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| 01:01:02 |
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UNWISE DECISION-MAKING IS WHAT RESULTS
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| 01:01:04 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN THE LOSS OF MASSES OF AMERICAN LIVES. SO THOSE HAVE TO BE BALANCED. >> WE'LL TAKE A CALL. WE'VE GOT TO INTERRUPT. THIS IS A CALL-IN SHOW. I DON'T...
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| 01:01:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THIS IS -- THIS ADMINISTRATION IS ONLY STARTING IN IRAQ, BUT INDEED INTENDS TO DEMOCRATICKIZE THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST. AND MAY EVEN BE LOOKING
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| 01:01:40 |
Caller, -
FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. THANKS. LET'S GO TO CHARLSTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOUR...
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| 01:02:02 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AT THIS TIME, OR EVER. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT AND TRUST OUR
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| 01:02:07 |
Caller, -
FREEDOM. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR. >> HOUSTON, TEXAS, YOU'RE ON. >> Caller: MY QUESTION IS FOR BILLY KRISTOL. PEOPLE SAY...
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| 01:02:32 |
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BUSH STAYED IN THAT LITTLE KID'S ROOM
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| 01:02:35 |
Caller, -
FOR 20 MINUTES WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING. WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THAT? >> WILLIAMSTON, GEORGIA, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: YES, SIR. I HAVE A COMMENT...
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| 01:03:00 |
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WAR FROM NORTH VIETNAM.
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| 01:03:02 |
Caller, -
THEY'RE HAVING THEIR 0th COMMEMORATION OF THE RELEASE IN LAS VEGAS ON THE 14th OF APRIL. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING YOU COME AND APOLOGIZE TO THEM,...
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| 01:03:52 |
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I WOULD BE GLAD TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM. >> CONCORD,
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| 01:03:55 |
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NEW HAMPSHIRE, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. -- >> GO AHEAD, PLEASE. THAT'S TOO BAD. WARSAW, NEW YORK, YOU'RE ON THE AIR....
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| 01:04:08 |
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BE A CALLER, BUT I'VE
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| 01:04:10 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BECOME A LISTENER FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT THIS MORNING, I AM JUST APPALLED WITH THE FACT THAT
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| 01:04:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DANIEL ELLSBERG HAS TAKEN OVER YOUR
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| 01:04:18 |
Caller, -
SHOW. AND
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| 01:04:20 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HE IS THINKING THAT HE HAS A CORNER ON THE
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| 01:04:25 |
Caller, -
TRUTH. HIS COMMENTS SEEM TO WANDER ALL OVER THE WHOLE WORLD SPECTRUM. AND FOR HIM TO UNILATERALLY TURN OVER -- AND RELEASE THE PENTAGON PAPERS. WHO...
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| 01:05:08 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
9-11. >> THOSE QUESTIONS WERE REALLY FOR DAN ELLSBERG. WE DON'T KNOW, IF ANY, CONNECTION THERE WAS TO 9-11. ON THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR ON 9-11, ONCE...
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| 01:05:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE FOURTH PLANE IF THE PASSENGERS HADN'T THEMSELVES BROUGHT IT DOWN IN THE FIELD OF PENNSYLVANIA. IF IT WAS COMING BACK TO THE CAPITAL OR OTHER PLACE...
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| 01:07:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SHOULD BE DEMOCRATICKIZED. THAT CAN BE DONE BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE, AND WE CAN HELP. BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD
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| 01:07:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BE DONE BY AMERICAN FORCE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF -- HE DOES DISAGREE. IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK HE THINKS THAT THAT DOES HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN SYRIA...
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| 01:07:53 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND CENTRAL AMERICA IS A GREAT SUCCESS STORY. WE NOW HAVE THE DECENT DEMOCRATIC COUNTRIES IN MOST OF LATIN AND CENTRAL AMERICA. 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO,...
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| 01:09:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A DISILLUSIONING EXPERIENCE FOR ME. LET ME MAKE A GENERALIZATION HERE THAT I THINK WILL BE VERY PROVOCATIVE TO A LOT OF LISTENERS HERE. I WOULD HAVE...
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| 01:11:18 |
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ELIMINATED THEM. >> IT PERSONALLY
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| 01:11:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SUPPLIED SADDAM -- >> PERSONALLY SUPPLIED. IT WASN'T JUST A MARGINAL ERROR. IN 1968, HE WAS OUR THUG TO NOR YAG A AND OTHER PEOPLE ON THE LEASH,...
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| 01:11:43 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PARTY WAS NOT A -- >> IT IS BETTER
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| 01:11:45 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAN THE ALTERNATIVE IN OUR VIEW. >> WHY DID WE -- >> WHY DID YOU SUPPORT SADDAM AS RECENTLY AS WHEN YOU WERE IN THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THE ANSWER IS...
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| 01:12:01 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN 1991, OR '92 -- >> WHEN WERE YOU IN THE ADMINISTRATION? >> '90
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| 01:12:05 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TOE '93. >>
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| 01:12:07 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I RAISED THE QUESTION THAT
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| 01:12:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU MIGHT NOT REASONABLY HAVE DONE WHAT YOU DID TO OPPOSE IT. >> THE WAR
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| 01:12:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AGAINST SADDAM --
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| 01:12:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THERE'S LEFT-WING SUPPORT FOR THAT. MAYBE I MISSED
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| 01:12:21 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT -- TAKING SADDAM OUT OF KUWAIT. >> THE LEFT WAS NOT
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| 01:12:24 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN A POSITION TO THREATEN
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| 01:12:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OR SHOOT SADDAM'S HELICOPTERS
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| 01:12:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OUT OF THE AIR WHEN THEY WERE -- >> I PARTICIPATED IN CRITICISM OF PRESIDENT BUSH -- THE FIRST PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION. LET ME JUST SAY
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| 01:12:35 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A WORD ON HIS BEHALF. HE WENT TO WAR TO REMOVE SADDAM FROM KUWAIT. >> FROM KUWAIT. >> RIGHT. >> NOT FROM POWER. >> AGAINST THE OPPOSITION OF THE
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| 01:12:44 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HUGE DEMOCRATIC PARTY -- AGAINST THE OPPOSITION OF THE HUGE MAJORITY OF LEFT WING. AND
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| 01:12:51 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MAYBE YOU PERSONALLY, AND I HONOR YOU THIS IF IT'S TRUE, THAT SUPPORTED OUR WAR IN GOING TO WAR IN QUITE. -- IN KUWAIT. BUT MOST
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| 01:12:59 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OF YOUR COLLEAGUES ON THE LEFT
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| 01:13:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WERE
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| 01:13:01 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
NOT. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE
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| 01:13:03 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN A FALSE POSITION HERE. AT THAT TIME I AGREED WITH SENATOR NUN IN -- >> SO YOU WERE AGAINST GETTING THEM OUT OF KUWAIT? >> NO. AT THAT TIME, A NUMBER...
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| 01:13:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
PREVENTING HIM BY MILITARY MEANS FROM GETTING INTO SAUDI ARABIA WAS THREATENED AND I SUPPORTED THAT PUBLICLY. AT THE COST OF
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| 01:13:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
SOME RELATIONSHIPS, BY THE WAY. WHEN IT CAME
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| 01:13:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO EXPELLING THEM FROM KUWAIT, THEY WANTED TO GIVE THE BLOCK-ADE AND EMBARGO, LIKE ADMIRAL KROUE THAT THAT WAS A PREFERABLE TO THE DEATHS THAT WOULD...
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| 01:14:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AMERICAN COSTS OF GOING IN, AS DID MANY OF THE
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| 01:14:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
GENERALS, SWARS KOF AND SO FORTH. ON THE OTHER HAND, I REMAIN
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| 01:14:20 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HAPPY THAT PRESIDENT
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| 01:14:22 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
BUSH, SCHWARZKOPF AND POWELL DID NOT TEST WHETHER IRAQI TROOPS WOULD
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| 01:14:27 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FIGHT BETTER IN BAGHDAD
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| 01:14:28 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAN IN IN -- NEAR BAGHDAD -- >> IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE FOR YOU, TO TRY TO ALLY WITH THOSE LIKE ME AND WOLFOWITZ, TO FINISH THE JOB, AND SAY YOU'RE HAPPY...
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| 01:14:53 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ROAD. >> YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME. >> YOU CANNOT BEGIN DOWN THAT ROAD UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO SAY THAT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO HELP THE REBELS THAT -- >> I...
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| 01:15:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
POPULAR UPRISING AT THAT TIME. I'VE SAED THAT SEVERAL
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| 01:15:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TIMES. YOU'VE HEARD IT. >>
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| 01:15:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OKAY. >> CALLS.
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| 01:15:16 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MICHIGAN, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: YES. IN THIS WORLD THAT IS BECOMING MORE UNCERTAIN BECAUSE OF THE
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| 01:15:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
UNCERTAINTY OF WHAT MORALITY IS, WHAT IS MORAL AND WHAT ISN'T MORAL, I WAS DELIGHTED TO HEAR A PROGRAM WHERE BARBARA
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| 01:15:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
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| 01:15:35 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WALTERS INTERVIEWED FOUR IRAQI
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| 01:15:38 |
Caller, -
WOMEN WHO CAME TO THIS COUNTRY IN 1991, BECAUSE THEY WERE OPPRESSED AND HAD OBSERVED THE CRUELTY AND THE TYRANNY OF SADDAM. AND I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED...
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| 01:16:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
REALLY BEING -- DEALING WITH THE U.N., OR DO WE GO OFF
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| 01:17:03 |
Caller, -
AND ORCHESTRATE THE USE OF THE OIL, AND KEEP THE PECK IN -- UNDER OPPRESSION WITH ANOTHER DICTATOR, WHICH IN THAT CASE WOULD BE OURS. >> HURLEY, NEW...
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| 01:17:39 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
MAKE A RIGHT. COULD YOU JUST ADDRESS THIS? THANK YOU. >> THANKS.
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| 01:17:42 |
Caller, -
ONE MORE CALL. WEST VIRGINIA, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> Caller: HI. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. ELLSBERG. THE TRUTH IS NEVER POPULAR AMONG THE MASSES....
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| 01:18:01 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WAR. I'M VERY MUCH AGAINST THE WAR. I PRAY EVERY DAY FOR OUR TROOPS. THEY'RE DOING THEIR
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| 01:18:06 |
Caller, -
JOB. THEY COULD BE CONSCIENTIOUS -- >> THANKS. MR. KRISTOL, MORALITY, HAS TO DO WITH WHEN WE GET OUR CREDENTIALS BACK. HOW DO WE GET IT? ARE WE GOING...
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| 01:18:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HELPING THE IRAQI PEOPLE REBUILD THEIR COUNTRY AND HELPING TO PROMOTE A DECENT DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT IN IRAQ. I WILL AGREE THAT WE WILL -- IT WOULD...
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| 01:18:44 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
LIKE SADDAM. IT WILL BE A MUCH LESS MORALLY SATISFYING AND FULLY DEFENSIBLE WAR IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH AS WE SHOULD. AND I'VE WORKED VERY HARD, AND...
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| 01:21:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF SADDAM WERE TO DISAPPEAR, EITHER BY DEATH OR FLIGHT. YESTERDAY OR TOMORROW. I WOULD BE VERY...
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| 01:25:54 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
STATES, THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, SECRETARY OF STATE HAVE CONCURRED
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| 01:25:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
IN THIS POLICY. >>
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| 01:26:00 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DEFINITELY. >> DON'T PICK ON A DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY WAS -- SAW AHEAD OF SOME OF THESE
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| 01:26:06 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OTHER PEOPLE THAT IRAQ WAS A BIG THREAT? >> I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE
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| 01:26:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
DEFENDING PAUL WOLFOWITZ HERE. WHO HAS BEEN YOUR COLLEAGUE. I WOULD SAY, IF YOU WERE IN THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW, WITH YOUR KNOWN VIEWS THAT HAVE BEEN...
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| 01:26:20 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU IN THAT. BUT I DON'T MEAN TO SAY,
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| 01:26:22 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
JUST KICK SUBORDINATES OVERSEAS IN A CYNICAL WAY. I'M TRYING TO BE PRACTICAL HERE IN WHO
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| 01:26:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO LISTEN TO IN FAVOR OF OUR TROOPS AND IN FAVOR OF OUR COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. I THINK PRESIDENT BUSH MIGHT VERY WELL SAY -- I MEAN, MIGHT VERY WELL FROM...
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| 01:27:05 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND HIS ADVISORS, TO PROTECT OUR REAR
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| 01:27:08 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
OVER THERE. HE SHOULD NOW, I THINK, BE LOOKING, BUSH AND RUMSFELD, AT THE PEOPLE
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| 01:27:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
WHO ADVISED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY
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| 01:27:14 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ABOUT -- >> HE SHOULD BE SECOND-GUESSING? >> NO, GIVE IT ANOTHER WEEK. >> THIS IS UNWORTHY -- >> GIVE IT ANOTHER WEEK. REMEMBER, I WAS IN -- >> YOU WERE...
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| 01:27:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THERE. MY SENSE IS IT ENDED UP WITH
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| 01:27:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A
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| 01:27:39 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
COMPROMISED PLAN. AND IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL -- >> GOT
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| 01:27:42 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO GO TO RICHARDSON, TEXAS. GO AHEAD,
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| 01:27:45 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
RICHARDSON, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. >> Caller: YES, SIR. I AM SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT -- I'M NOT FOR WAR, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT...
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| 01:28:03 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
REALLY BE NEAT TO ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS. BUT OBVIOUSLY THE OTHER GENTLEMAN IS GOING TO THE OTHER
|
| 01:28:08 |
Caller, -
ONE THAT'S GOING TO RUN. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS -- >> YOU CAN ASK ME QUESTIONS. >> Caller: WELL, NO, I REALLY -- BECAUSE IF I ASK THAT, MR. KRISTOL...
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| 01:28:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
APOLOGIZE, BECAUSE I REALLY HAVEN'T READ HIS
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| 01:28:34 |
Caller, -
BOOK. BUT I WAS IN THE MILITARY, AND I HAVE HAD SOME CLASSIFIED EXPOSURE TO SOME VERY SENSITIVE STUFF IN THE MILITARY. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW HE...
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| 01:30:17 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
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| 01:30:18 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU DID NOT SERVE IN THE MILITARY? >> NO. >> AND YOU SERVED HOW MANY YEARS IN THE MARINE CORPS? THREE YEARS. IN
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| 01:30:23 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FOR TWO AND EXTENDED FOR ONE. >> DON'T WANT TO GO INTO
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| 01:30:26 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ALL THE DETAILS ON
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| 01:30:29 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THIS, GO BACK TO
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| 01:30:30 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE PENTAGON PAPERS.
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| 01:30:31 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU GAVE THEM
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| 01:30:32 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
TO THE CONGRESS IN 1969,
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| 01:30:34 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND THE NEWSPAPERS IN 1971. WERE YOU PROSECUTED? >> WELL, I WAS INDICTED,
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| 01:30:38 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
AND WAS UNDER
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| 01:30:39 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
INDICTMENT OH
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| 01:30:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
FOR TWO YEARS. I WAS IN COURT FOR FOUR AND A HALF MONTHS UNTIL CHARGES -- I WAS FACING 12 FELONY COUNTS WHICH WOULD HAVE TOTALED
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| 01:30:47 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
A TOTAL SENSE OF 115 YEARS. I WAS UNDER THAT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. JUST BEFORE THE CASE WENT TO THE JURY, A NUMBER OF CRIMES BY PRESIDENT NIXON AND...
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| 01:30:58 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THE TRIAL WERE REVEALED IN THE EARLY PART OF WATERGATE HEARING. MY CHARGES WERE DISMISSED ON GROUNDS OF GOVERNMENTAL MISCONDUCT. AND THESE CRIMES FIGURED...
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| 01:31:36 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
COPIES TO "THE NEW YORK TIMES" LATER. TOOK ALL MY SAVINGS,
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| 01:31:40 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ACTUALLY. AND I DID NOT WRITE A BOOK AT THAT TIME, IN PART BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE SEEN AS PROFITING FROM THIS TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE. >> YOU WROTE...
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| 01:32:09 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
ELLSBERG. AND I'M GLAD
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| 01:32:11 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
THAT HE'S A
|
| 01:32:12 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
VOICE OF TRUTH ON AMERICAN TV. BECAUSE
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| 01:32:15 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
I'M SICK AND TIRED OF THE CNN PROPAGANDA. I WANT TO TELL
|
| 01:32:20 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
YOUR LISTENERS THAT PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE
|
| 01:32:23 |
Caller, -
WATCHING OTHER CHANNELS IN EUROPE, AND THEY GET THE TRUTH. AND MOST OF HIS CONVERSATION THAT I WATCHED, HE'S VERY TRUTHFUL. I'M AGAINST THE WAR. AND...
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| 01:33:25 |
Unidentified Speaker, -
HEAR THAT PEOPLE THINK CNN HAS SOME PRO-AMERICAN AND I SUPPOSE PRO-BUSH PROPAGANDA. I HADN'T REALLY NOTICED MUCH OF IT. I THINK PEOPLE
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| 01:33:34 |
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GET DIVERSITY OF VIEWS IN THIS COUNTRY. I THINK THERE'S
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| 01:33:37 |
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A VIGOROUS DEBATE
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| 01:33:39 |
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OVER THE WAR. WHAT YOU HEAR FROM THE PROTESTERS IS THIS HAS NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY DEBATED. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. IT'S BEEN IN JOURNAL OF OPINIONS ...
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| 01:34:31 |
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THE READER WAS REFERRING TO THIS, THAT WE DO HAVE THE
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| 01:34:35 |
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INTERNET NOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE 30 YEARS AGO. AND THAT DOES GIVE A CHANCE TO GET NOT ONLY VIEWS FROM AROUND THE WORLD, ESPECIALLY THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING...
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| 01:35:18 |
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PRINT, ON THE INTERNET, THE BRITISH INDEPENDENT, THE BRITISH OBSERVER, AND GUARDIAN ARE
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| 01:35:27 |
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IN ANTI-WAR.COM. I SEE A LOT THERE, INCLUDING AMERICAN STORIES THAT ARE REALLY AMAZING TO ME THAT DON'T GET COVERED IN THE PRESS OR TELEVISION. I...
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| 01:36:38 |
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THE STREETS FOR THEM TO PROTEST? HAS -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT? >> YES, FIRST AMENDMENT
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| 01:36:46 |
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OF THE UNITED STATES, PEOPLE
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| 01:36:48 |
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HAVE THE RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE FOR THEIR GRIEVANCES. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS TO DO THAT. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THERE...
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| 01:37:06 |
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MORAL CHOICE. IT HAS MORAL CONSEQUENCES. AND I HAPPEN TO KNOW SOMEONE GOING TO THE HOSPITAL STUCK IN TRAFFIC IN SAN FRANCISCO BECAUSE THE WHOLE CITY...
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| 01:37:16 |
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PROTESTERS. >> I'VE HEARD ANECDOTAL HYPOTHETICAL ACCOUNTS FOR THAT FOR YEARS. I DON'T DOUBT IT COULD HAPPEN. >> IT HAPPENED IN SAN FRANCISCO. >> I WOULD...
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| 01:37:40 |
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I SAY PRAYING, NEARLY EVERYONE ELSE THERE -- THIS WAS ON JUST THE OTHER DAY, ON WAS A PRIEST AND TWO BISHOPS,
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| 01:37:47 |
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TWO NOBEL
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| 01:37:48 |
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PRIZE LAUREATES. WE WERE SITTING
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| 01:37:50 |
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AND PRAYING AND MEDITATING WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT. THAT WE WERE
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| 01:37:56 |
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PROTESTING A WAR WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION IN THIS WAR. AND IT HAS VERY GREAT MORAL IMPLICATIONS. I WAS HONORED TO BE THERE WITH THE PEOPLE LIKE BIRB OL...
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| 01:39:01 |
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DOING SOMETHING UNTIL THEY WERE STOPPED BY BRITAIN
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| 01:39:03 |
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AND THE UNITED STATES. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. IF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ARE NOT FOUND IN THE NUMBERS ALLEGED BY COLIN POWELL, AND TWO IF THE MAJORITY...
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| 01:39:43 |
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I THINK IT'S A BIT MUCH TO
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| 01:39:45 |
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EXPECT, AND THE POPULAR UPRISES, THAT IT'S SO EASY TO RISE UP AGAINST A TOTALITARIAN REGIME. I WOULD AGREE IF AFTER THE WAR WE'RE NOT TREATED MORE...
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| 01:40:48 |
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PSYCHIATRIST'S OFFICE AND GOT THOSE
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| 01:40:50 |
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PARTICULAR PAPERS. HE AND JANE FONDA WERE ONE OF THE MOST -- THE PRIMARY SOURCES -- IN OTHER WORDS, THE PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE VIETNAM WAR. AND THAT...
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| 01:41:25 |
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HAD DOCUMENTED -- THESE
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| 01:41:27 |
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WERE GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS.
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| 01:41:30 |
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INTERNAL DOCUMENTS, WHICH
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| 01:41:32 |
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DOCUMENTED A CASE THAT FOUR PRESIDENTS IN A
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| 01:41:35 |
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ROW PRIOR TO PRESIDENT NIXON HAD LIED US INTO THAT WAR, ON PRACTICALLY EVERY ASPECT OF
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| 01:41:40 |
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THE WAR. DECEIVED US. NOT JUST DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, BUT BOTH. ON THE PROSPECTS OF THE AIMS OF THE WAR, OF WHAT WAS TO BE EXPECTED AND WHAT WAS...
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| 01:42:49 |
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RELEASE CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS. NO ONE OF US SHOULD SDIS BECAUSE WE HAPPEN TO THINK THE WORLD WILL BENEFIT FROM KNOWING THAT BAD PIECE OF ADVICE GIVEN...
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| 01:42:58 |
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AGO, AND WE HAPPEN TO HAVE IT IN OUR POSSESSION AFTER LEAVING THE GOVERNMENT, SHOULD PUT IT OUT. I AM IN GENERAL AGAINST PUBLISHING CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS....
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| 01:44:46 |
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WOULDN'T BE ILLEGAL NOT INFORMING ME OF THE INFORMATION WITH WHICH TO SHUT ME UP,
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| 01:44:51 |
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WOULD NOW BE LEGAL -- >> IF THEY HAD
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| 01:44:53 |
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REASON TO BELIEVE YOU WERE A TERRORIST. >> NO, ONLY IF THEY HAD REASON TO
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| 01:44:58 |
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BELIEVE NOT THAT I WAS A TERRORIST, IT'S NOT QUITE THAT EXCLUSIVE. IF IT WAS AGAINST THE
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| 01:45:03 |
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NATIONAL INTEREST -- >> NO, NO, THAT IS NOT THE LANGUAGE. THERE IS A LOT OF MONITORING -- >> I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK NIXON TODAY -- >> IT'S SIMPLY...
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| 01:45:13 |
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IT WOULD NOT BE LEGAL TO
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| 01:45:17 |
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BREAK INTO >> -- I HOPE THIS IS NOT -- >> DO YOU THINK A LOT OF PSYCHIATRISTS OFFICES ARE BEING BROKEN INTO BY
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| 01:45:25 |
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THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TODAY? >> YES. >> THAT'S RIDICULOUS. YOU HAVE REALLY THINK SO? >> YES.
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| 01:45:30 |
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I THINK THE PRESIDENT -- I THINK THE PURPOSE
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| 01:45:32 |
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OF THE ACT -- GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. YOU SAID BUGGED. THE WIRELESS -- THE WARRANTEDLESS WIRETAP, ON WHICH I'VE
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| 01:45:40 |
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BEEN OVERHEARD,
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| 01:45:42 |
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IS CLEARLY LEGALIZED UNDER THE PATRIOT ACT. >>
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| 01:45:46 |
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BUT IF YOUR EVE
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| 01:45:47 |
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INVOLVED IN TERRORISM. >> WHO DECIDES
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| 01:45:49 |
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THAT? ASHCROFT? >> NO, THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. >> THAT'S ASHCROFT. >> THAT'S NOT ASHCROFT. THAT'S RIDICULOUS, YOU'VE BEEN IN GOVERNMENT....
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| 01:46:07 |
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THEN WAS ILLEGAL, AND THEREFORE, HE HAD TO
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| 01:46:09 |
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KEEP IT CONCEALED. THEREFORE
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| 01:46:11 |
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HE HAD TO BRIBE VARIOUS PEOPLE TO
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| 01:46:13 |
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KEEP THEIR
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| 01:46:14 |
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MOUTHS SHUT IN FRONT OF THE GRAND JURY. THE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE LESS REASON NOW TO CONCEAL THAT. >> LET'S GO TO THE INDICTMENT OF MR. ONSBE IN
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| 01:46:24 |
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FLORIDA. YOU THINK IT IS WRONG THAT WIRETAPS TO FIND THIS MAN TO FUND TERROR? >> SHOULD THE NSA TURNED LOOSE, OR THE CIA, NOW ENCOURAGED AS TOM HOUSTON...
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| 01:46:43 |
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COOPERATE WITH THE CIA, ALMOST WITHOUT ADEQUATE LIMITS, WITHOUT ADEQUATE DEBATE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE SAFEGUARDS HERE AND YOU TALK ABOUT TLE OOH BEEN...
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| 01:46:54 |
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YOU DIDN'T USE THE WORD CONGRESS. WOULD YOU SAY THERE HAVE BEEN ADEQUATE HEARINGS ON THE PATRIOT ACT IN CONGRESS? THERE WERE HARDLY ANY HEARINGS. HARDLY...
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| 01:49:01 |
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MAJOR TALKING POINT OF THOSE CRITICAL
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| 01:49:03 |
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OF THE WAR ON IRAQ THAT THE BUILDUP IN IRAQ WOULD HURT THE
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| 01:49:06 |
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PROSECUTION ON THE WAR ON TERROR AND ENCOURAGE MORE TERROR AGAINST -- >> IN THE FIRST -- >> WELL, NO, I'VE BEEN CRITICAL
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| 01:49:15 |
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OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION
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| 01:49:17 |
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AT TIMES WORRIED THEY'RE NOT DOING ENOUGH IN THE WAR ON TERROR. IF YOU WOULD HAVE TOLD ME ON SEPTEMBER 12th THAT WE WOULD BE SITTING HERE TODAY AND...
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| 01:49:32 |
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FROM LIBERAL AUDIENCES, GOD
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| 01:49:34 |
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FOREBD, HE'S A SERIOUS CHRISTIAN AND A CONSERVATIVE, I THINK ASHCROFT'S DEPARTMENT DESERVES CREDIT FOR THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND MAJOR ATTACK...
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| 01:50:09 |
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FOR HIS PO TROTIC SERVICE
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| 01:50:12 |
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TO OUR COUNTRY. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT PEOPLE GO ON THE INTERNET AND FIND AN ARTICLE BY
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| 01:50:20 |
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MICHAEL
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| 01:50:21 |
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| 01:50:22 |
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DOBBS CALLED UNITED STATES A
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| 01:50:24 |
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HEE ROW, TRADE AND CHEMICALS
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| 01:50:27 |
Caller, -
ALLOWED ON IRANIANS AND KURDS. IT WAS WRITTEN BY MICHAEL DOBBS. IT'S IN THE "WASHINGTON POST." DECEMBER 30th, 2002. AND IN THAT ARTICLE IT TALKED ABOUT...
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| 01:52:22 |
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NOT TRUE. I THINK THE OIL WILL BE USED FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE. IF YOU HAD A POLICY THAT -- IF YOU HAD A -- BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE THE FIRST BUSH ADMINISTRATION....
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| 01:52:42 |
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DO YOU HAVE ANY REACTION TO HER CALL? >> I THINK THAT THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT OIL FOR PROFITS FOR INDIVIDUALS HERE. AND I BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE ARE PATRIOTIC...
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| 01:53:03 |
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ALTHOUGH THOSE
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| 01:53:04 |
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ARE SOMEWHAT INVOLVED, BUT OIL FOR POWER AND LEVERAGE FOR THE GOOD OF THE WORLD. ADD THE CONTROL OF THE WORLD FOR THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST IS VERY IMPORTANT...
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| 01:53:35 |
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WAS POINTED OUT BY OUR HOST HERE. >> Caller: BUT ANYWAY,
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| 01:53:38 |
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YOU ARE ALSO PROUD OF YOUR MARINE YEARS. >> THAT'S TRUE. >> Caller: DID YOU ACTUALLY FIGHT IN ANY OF THE TRENCHES. DID YOU ACTUALLY SHOOT ANYONE? >>...
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| 01:53:53 |
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GOOD QUESTION. I WAS IN
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| 01:53:54 |
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THE PEACE TIME
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| 01:53:56 |
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MARINES. '54 TO '57.
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| 01:53:58 |
Caller, -
I EXTENDED FOR A YEAR WHEN IT LOOKED LIKE
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| 01:54:01 |
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MY BATTALION WOULD GET
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| 01:54:02 |
Caller, -
IN COMBAT IN THE MIDDLE EAST. AND DURPG THE SUEZ WAR. BUT THAT DID NOT COME TO SHOOTING.
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| 01:54:08 |
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IN VIETNAM, AS A CIVILIAN, I USED
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| 01:54:12 |
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MY MARINE TRAINING TO
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| 01:54:13 |
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WALK WITH TROOPS, TO ACCOMPANY TROOPS IN COMBAT, VAUMDS AND AMERICANS, MARINES, 25th DIVISION ARMY. YES, I WAS SHOT AT A LOT. IN FACT, I WAS ARMED...
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| 01:55:04 |
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TOGETHER, AND THEY MENTIONED
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| 01:55:09 |
Caller, -
THE PRESIDENT DONALD RUMSFELD, ASHCROFT AND DICK CHENEY, ABOUT IMPEACHMENT. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING? >> KRISTOL, A POSSIBILITY OF IMPEACHMENT?...
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| 01:55:39 |
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BILL KRISTOL KNOWS.
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| 01:55:40 |
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AND IF IT'S TOO EARLY
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| 01:55:41 |
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NOW, I HOPE WE DON'T WAIT AS LONG TO
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| 01:55:43 |
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DO THAT AS WE DID IN VIETNAM. BECAUSE MANY AMERICAN TROOPS WOULD SUFFER FOR IT. >> WE JUST HAVE A MINUTE LEFT. ON THE ISSUE OF RICHARD PERLE AND RESIGNING...
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| 01:56:08 |
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HE SHOULD RESIGN AS CHAIRMAN. WHEN GLOBAL CROSSING HA ISSUES. >> HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO GIVE THE MONEY TO THE FAMILIES OF
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| 01:56:19 |
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IRAQ THAT LOST FAMILY MEMBERS IN THIS WAR. WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO THAT STORY? >> I'M MUCH MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BAD ADVICE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT,...
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| 01:56:37 |
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SAY, AS WE COME TO THE END HERE, THAT I THINK UNFORTUNATELY IT HASN'T COME UP ENOUGH, THE DISAGREEMENT THAT WE DID EXPRESS, AND I WANTED TO LAY IT OUT...
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| 01:56:47 |
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AND NOT ONLY LEGAL, ALTHOUGH THOSE ARE IMPORTANT, AND WE AGREE ON THAT, WE SEE IT DIFFERENTLY, I THINK THE PRACTICAL ISSUE OF WHETHER THIS WAR INCREASES...
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| 01:57:59 |
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THE MIDDLE EAST WHICH HAS CAUSED, OBVIOUSLY, AMERICAN DEATHS
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| 01:58:02 |
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AND RAISED GREAT DANGERS FOR THE FUTURE. I THINK THIS CAN BE A PROMISING MOMENT FOR AMERICAN POLICY. >> I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT. I PRAY THAT YOU ARE RIGHT....
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| 01:58:28 |
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FLEISCHER BRIEFING COMING UP FROM THE WHITE HOUSE. AND RIGHT
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| 01:58:31 |
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NOW, BRIGADIER GENERAL VINCE BROOKS WHO HAD BEEN BRIEFING OVER
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| 01:58:35 |
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IN DO HA FROM EARLIER THIS MORNING, THREE HOURS
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| 01:58:39 |
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AGO. ...
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NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.