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WASHINGTON POST" ARTICLE ON PAGE A-3 SAYS.
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MANY PEOPLE THINK MISSILE DEFENSE WOULD BE USEFUL. BUT THIS IS STILL A VERY LONG WAY OFF AND THERE ARE OTHER METHODS BY WHICH WE CAN TRY TO STOP THE PROLIFERATION...
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AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS, BECAUSE THE BEST DEFENSE FOR THE UNITED STATES IS
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TO PREVENT THESE THREATS FROM EMERGING IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> HOW WOULD YOU DO IT? >> WELL, FOR MANY YEARS THE UNITED STATES, RUSSIA AND THE NATIONAL...
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SUCCESS BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME PROBLEMS TODAY.
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THERE ARE STATES LIKE NORTH KOREA THAT IS INTERESTED IN PURSUING NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND MISSILE TECHNOLOGY BUT WE'RE ON THE VERGE OF AN AGREEMENT WITH NORTH...
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VIOLATED WITH SUCH FREQUENCY BY THE MAJOR PARTICIPANTS, INCLUDING RUSSIA, WHO HAS BEEN TO IRAN, IRAQ, NORTH KOREA.
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WHILE THE PREFERRED METHODS DARYL IS TALKING ABOUT ARE IN PLAY PROLIFERATION GOES ON AND HAS GOTTEN WORSE. >> WHAT IS THE LEXINGTON INSTITUTE? >> THIS...
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WE ARE A CONSORTIUM OF 17 NONPROLIFERATION
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AND DISARMAMENT ARMS CONTROLS ORGANIZATIONS BASED HERE IN WASHINGTON. WE'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 199 THE 5 AND WE WORK TOGETHER
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ON A PRACTICAL PROGRAM TO REDUCE AND ELIMINATE THE NUCLEAR
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THREAT. >> WHO PAYS YOUR BILLS? >> A SERIES OF PRIVATE FOUNDATIONS. >> LET ME ASK THE TWO OF YOU, WHAT IS YOUR VISION,
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DAN GOURE, OF WHAT THE COALITION TO REDUCE NUCLEAR DAMAGES IS UP TO. >> I THINK THEY ARE UP TO GOOD WORKS OR AT LEAST GOOD INTENTIONS. THERE IS A NEED...
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THESE DANGERS. THE PROBLEM IS,
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TO MAKE, IF
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| 00:02:59 |
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YOU WILL, A FETTISH OUT OF SOMETHING THAT IS ONLY ONE OF A VARIETY OF WAYS OF DEALING WITH NUCLEAR DANGER. DETERRENCE IS ANOTHER ONE, DEFENSE IS A THIRD...
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| 00:03:08 |
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TO SAY WE HAVE ALTERNATIVES WHEN THE ALTERNATIVES HAVEN'T SOLVED THE PROBLEM AND THEREFORE WE DON'T NEED MISSILE DEFENSE, I THINK IS PUTTING TOO MUCH...
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| 00:03:40 |
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DAN, THAT WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO PUT TOGETHER A COHERENT, COMPREHENSIVE
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| 00:03:45 |
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APPROACH TO THESE PROBLEMS. RIGHT NOW OUR BEST DEFENSE IS TO TRY TO PREVENT THESE MISSILES FROM EMERGING, HAVING VERY ACTIVE DIPLOMACY USING OUR CONVENTIONAL...
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| 00:04:31 |
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UP WITH TECHNOLOGY TO DISCOVER A MISSILE OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE AND SHOOT IT OUT OF THE SKY. I JUST BELIEVE IT IS ANOTHER FORM OF CORPORATE WELFARE...
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BECAUSE OF
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| 00:05:04 |
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TECHNICAL OR FUNDAMENTAL FITICS BUT ALL PROBLEMS WITH THE HARDWARE. SO, IN FACT, IT IS REALLY POSSIBLE TO DO WHAT THE PROPONENTS SAY. YOU HAVE TO DO IT...
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| 00:05:42 |
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KOREA AND SO MANY PLACES. I'VE GOT MILITARY PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY. MY SON IS IN THE MILITARY. THEY DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED ONE. SO I AM ALL FOR IT. PEOPLE...
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| 00:06:22 |
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TRUTH. THE SITUATION IS THAT THERE
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HAVE BEEN SOME LIMITED SUCCESSES WITH SOME THEATER MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEMS. THESE ARE DEFENSES DESIGNED TO STOP SHORT RANGE MISSILES LIKE THE IRAQI SCUDS...
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IT WILL, AS DO ALL OF THE REVIEWERS, THE INDEPENDENT REVIEWERS, THEN, IN FACT, WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO DEPLOY. >> LAS VEGAS, YOU ARE NEXT. GOOD MORNING....
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| 00:07:58 |
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THAT WAS A BASIC FLOP AND BY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES IT COST BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WHEN WILL THIS END? WE NEED DOMESTIC SPENDING TO TAKE PRIORITY IN THIS...
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| 00:08:37 |
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AND ALL THE REST. THIS IS NOT
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| 00:08:39 |
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A HUGE PROGRAM BY CURRENT NATIONAL MILITARY STANDARDS. >> DARYL KIMBALL, HOW ABOUT YOU? >> WELL, THE $60 BILLION THAT DAN REFERS TO WAS THE
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IT IS NOT AN EITHER/OR SITUATION. THAT IS A FALSE DIVISION AND IT SETS UP A FALSE ARGUMENT ON THE PROBLEM. >> DARYL KIMBALL, FROM YOUR OBSERVATION,...
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| 00:14:16 |
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TYPES OF THREATS THAT WE MIGHT EXPECT IN NORTH KOREA TO DEVELOP OVER TIME. THAT'S NOT A SHIELD. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO OUT IN THE RAIN
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| 00:14:25 |
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AND YOUR UMBRELLA HAS HOLES IN IT YOU STILL GET WET. SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. >> DAN GOURE? >> THIS IS SORT OF LIKE ARGUING THAT BECAUSE THE FIRST...
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| 00:14:50 |
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WEAPONS, THAT WILL, IN FACT,
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BE CAPABLE OF DEALING WITH MORE ADVANCED THREATS AS THEY EMERGE. >> THE EARLIEST YEAR THIS COULD BE READY? >> THE FIRST DEPLOYMENT OF A NATIONAL MISSILE...
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MAKE IT A LITTLE BETTER. I QUESTION THE MORALITY
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AND THE SANITY OF THINKING THAT WE CAN MAKE A FORTRESS AMERICA WHEN WE CAN'T STOP IMMIGRANTS FROM
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| 00:15:28 |
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COMING ACROSS OUR BORDERS BY FREIGHTER. I MEAN, IT'S JUST CLEARLY A HUGE BOONDOGGLE FOR HIGH TECH MILITARY DEFENSE CONTRACTORS TO TRY AND CONVINCE...
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INDUSTRIAL
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CENTRIST KIND OF
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POLITICAL LEADERSHIP THAT
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| 00:16:26 |
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HAS DEVELOPED IN WASHINGTON, DESPITE, FOR INSTANCE, PRESIDENT EISENHOWER'S
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| 00:16:31 |
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PARTING WORDS TO BEWARE THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. THIS IS THE SYSTEM THAT FATTENS THE COIFFERS OF BOTH OF THE MAJOR PARTIES. >> WE HAVE TO KEEP...
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| 00:17:04 |
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ADVISORS ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT. ONE IS, DOES THE SYSTEM EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH THE THREATS THAT ARE OUT THERE? AND ARE THERE THREATS OUT...
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| 00:18:18 |
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WATCH THEIR BORDERS, ALL OF THE ABOVE. THE INTERESTING THING IS THEY ALSO FELT THE NEED TO ADD MISSILE
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| 00:18:23 |
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DEFENSE. IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER SECRETARY DEFENSE RUMSFELD'S TRIP TO EUROPE THAT THERE IS A SHIFT UNDERWAY. THE BRITISH HAVE INDICATED THEY WILL BE SUPPORTIVE....
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| 00:19:02 |
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ANGELES, WHATEVER. HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO REBUILD AN ENTIRE CITY?
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| 00:19:06 |
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HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE LOSE? >> ANYBODY ANALYZE THIS? >> GREAT QUESTION. ACTUAL TLI HAS BEEN AN ANALYSIS IN A NARROW SENSE. THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO LOOK...
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| 00:19:28 |
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SOMEWHERE ON THE
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| 00:19:29 |
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ORDER OF $250 BILLION TO THE U.S. ECONOMY, ALONE. WORLD ECONOMY YOU CAN TALK ABOUT A TRILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF DAMAGE, ONE MISSILE HIT ON ONE ISOLATED...
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| 00:19:58 |
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NEAR OXFORD IS A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PRODUCTION FACILITY AND SOME OF MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS WERE AFFECTED BY THAT.
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| 00:20:03 |
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THAT STARTED ME THINKING ABOUT THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ISSUE AND WHAT COURSE THE UNITED STATES SHOULD TAKE ON THIS SUBJECT. THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN WORKING...
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GOES ON TODAY. >> DAN GOURE, WHERE IS
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HOMETOWN FOR YOU? >> BORN IN WASHINGTON, GREW UP IN LOS ANGELES, CAME BACK HERE FOR GRADUATE SCHOOL AND NEVER LEFT. >> WHY ARE YOU INVOLVED IN THIS?...
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GRAVITATED TO THIS ISSUE TO THE IDEA OF MISSILE DEFENSE
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AND, IN FACT, WHAT YOU DO WITH THE RESIDUAL NUCLEAR
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FORCES ON THE VARIOUS SIDES FOR THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. >>
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I GUESS IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT OUR NEXT CALL BE FROM LOS ALAMOS, NEW MEXICO. YOU ARE ON THE AIR. CALLER: HI. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT TIME AND MONEY, MR....
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| 00:21:30 |
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AND THE $60 BILLION BUDGET THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF SHALLOW. THE TIME SEQUENCE, I DO NOT, PERSONALLY, THINK THAT THEY'LL BE READY BY...
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| 00:22:06 |
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BIT SQUISHY. THE TIMELINE, ACTUALLY, IS AN EXTENDED TIMELINE. THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE PRESIDENT CLINTON WANTED WAS 2005. WELL, WE'VE NOW PUSHED IT UP TO...
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| 00:22:47 |
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ACTUALLY DEPLOYED A NATIONAL MISSILE -- NOT A NATIONAL DEFENSE SYSTEM BUT A MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM UP IN NORTH DAKOTA TO DEFEND OUR MISSILE SILOS, OUR...
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| 00:22:56 |
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SILOS. BUT DONALD RUMSFELD, IN 1976, ACTUALLY WAS THE DEFENSE SECRETARY THEN AND HE WAS THE PERSON THAT SHUT THIS DOWN AFTER ABOUT $23 BILLION HAD BEEN...
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| 00:24:07 |
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INTERESTING PROGRAM CALLED THE AIRBORNE LASER WHICH WILL HAVE ITS FIRST SCHEDULED SHOOTDOWN OF A LIVE FIRE MISSILE IN 2003. SO WE'RE VERY NEAR THE POINT...
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| 00:29:36 |
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THE SCHEDULES
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| 00:29:38 |
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SEEM RATHER OPTIMISTIC. I THINK HE IS RIGHT, BECAUSE 2007 IS THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST THIS GROUND-BASED SYSTEM COULD GO INTO PLACE. WE SHOULD EXPECT THERE...
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| 00:29:49 |
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UNDERSTAND THAT 2007 IS FOR A FULL UP SYSTEM WITH RADARS AND 100 INTERCEPTORS. THE FIRST 10 WERE OR FIVE, OR WHATEVER OF THIS SYSTEM GOES OPERATIONAL...
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| 00:30:11 |
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ROSS LIND, VIRGINIA. >> HOW MANY PEOPLE WORK THERE? >> I THINK THE TOTAL IS 10 OR 12. >> WHAT ABOUT THE COALITION TO REDUCE NUCLEAR DAMAGES? >> WE'RE...
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| 00:30:28 |
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A SET OF 17 ORGANIZATIONS
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ON THESE ISSUES. >>
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LET'S GO TO JERSEY CITY, NEW JERSEY. YOU'RE NEXT.
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CALLER: HOW IS IT GOING, BRIAN? >> GOOD. THANKS FOR CALLING. CALLER: THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN.
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| 00:30:38 |
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I JUST WANT TO DROP MY OPINION. I FIND MYSELF AGREEING WITH DAN.
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| 00:30:41 |
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THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STICK THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND AND PRETEND THINGS AREN'T HAPPENING AND DRAG US INTO NORTH KOREA DOING THIS AND THAT,...
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| 00:30:52 |
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AND AT THIS POINT CHINA IS DEVELOPING WHAT THEY CALL
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| 00:30:55 |
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THE PARASITE MISSILES OR SATELLITE WEAPONS. THEY'RE FLYING AROUND NUS SPACE AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND I HAVE NO...
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| 00:31:37 |
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EVER BE ABLE TO TOUCH US. LET'S CALL IT $100 BILLION OR $150 BILLION. THAT IS NOT ONLY FOR THE UNITED STATES BUT THAT IS THE KIND OF MONEY THAT WOULD...
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| 00:31:48 |
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TO PROTECT FRIENDS AND ALLIES OVERSEAS. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY. >> CAN YOU STOP BUILDING OFFENSIVE WEAPONS THEN? >> YOU CAN...
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| 00:32:13 |
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AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE HERE IN WASHINGTON ARE
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| 00:32:16 |
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CONCERNED ABOUT ANY TYPE OF NUCLEAR CHEMICAL BILOGICAL THREAT. WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE NORTH KOREAN THREAT,
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| 00:32:24 |
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AS WE CALL IT HAS NOT MATERIALIZED AND WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IS
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| 00:32:28 |
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THAT IN PURSUING A MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM, A NATIONAL MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM, WE DON'T PROMPT CHINA TO PURSUE THE KIND OF WEAPON SYSTEMS THAT THE CALLER...
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| 00:34:24 |
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NEW YORK, YOU'RE NEXT. CALLER: HI. HOW YOU DOING? I JUST TUNED IN AND I HAVE A BASIC THING THAT I THINK ABOUT A LOT. I WONDER, BY WHAT INSANE LOGIC WOULD...
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| 00:34:44 |
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IS THAT, IN THE END, THE ONLY WAY YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO AN ATTACK UPON THE UNITED STATES OR A POTENTIAL ATTACK UPON THE UNITED STATES? WAIT...
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| 00:35:00 |
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THINK ABOUT THAT PROSPECT IF THAT WERE TO OCCUR? THE REAL ISSUE IS, IF THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES AND IF THEY ARE COST EFFECTIVE, I'LL AGREE ON THAT, THEN...
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| 00:35:38 |
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OF DEFENSE AGAINST THIS KIND OF THREAT. >> LEESBURG, FLORIDA, YOU'RE NEXT. >> HELLO. BRIAN? >> YES. >> WHY IN THE EARLY 1970'S -- I WORKED ON A MISSILE...
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| 00:36:01 |
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DESTROYED
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IT. WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS TECHNOLOGY?
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| 00:36:04 |
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BECAUSE IT WORKED PERFECTLY. >> THANKS. DAN GOURE? >>
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| 00:36:08 |
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SPRINT ACTUALLY WORKED WELL. IT WAS A DEPLOYED SYSTEM. THE RUSSIANS DEPLOYED SEVERAL VARIATIONS OF IT. THE REAL PROBLEM WITH SPRINT WAS IT WAS NUCLEAR...
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| 00:36:26 |
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TO DO IT NONNUCLEAR WHICH MEANS KINETIC WHICH MEANS I TAKE
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| 00:36:28 |
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A LITTLE OBJECT, A LITTLE ENGINE WITH A FRONT END, AND SMACK IT AGAINST A WARHEAD. THAT REQUIRES AK YURSIES THAT ARE VERY TOUGH TO ACHIEVE. >> CAN I...
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| 00:36:57 |
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TO BE THE SAFEST AND ALL OF THAT. DOES THIS EVER STOP? WHAT BENEFIT DID ALL OF THIS OVER THE YEARS GET US IF WE'RE HAVING TO SPEND ALL OF THIS MONEY?...
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| 00:37:25 |
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RELATIONSHIPS, MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL RELATIONSHIPS. THERE ARE TROUBLE SPOTS IN THE WORLD AND WE ARE A LONG WAY FROM THAT SITUATION. BUT WE DO LIVE IN A...
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| 00:38:09 |
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AT RISK. THE ALTERNATIVE IS DON'T GO ANYWHERE AND LOCK YOURSELF IN YOUR ROOM. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE EITHER. THAT IS THE POLITICAL ARGUMENT FOR MISSILE...
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| 00:38:38 |
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ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY BRING DOWN AN INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILE BUT THAT THE PROOF IS THERE THAT WE CANNOT AND COALITION TO REDUCE NUCLEAR DAMAGES,...
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