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WELL, IF HISTORY BEARS OUT AT SUCH TIME AS ARM SALES WOULD BE ANNOUNCED OR THE CONSULTATION |
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WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THIS RECORDED PROGRAM NOW AND TAKE YOU LIVE TO LONDON FOR THE BRITISH-IRAQ WAR... |
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TODAY, THIS MORNING, AND NOW THIS AFTERNOON, THE SELECTED THROUGH A FREE PUBLIC BALLOT OVERSEEN BY AN... |
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I WOULD LIKE TO PICK UP A COUPLE OF POINTS FOR FOLLOW-ON FROM WHERE YOU LEFT IT BEFORE LUNCH. JUST... |
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SO YOU DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ANY POSSIBILITY THAT IF WE'D PURSUED INSPECTIONS FOR LONGER PERIOD TO... |
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I REALLY -- MY JUDGMENT HAVING SPOKEN TO JACQUE CHIRAC, AND WE HAD PERFECTLY GOOD LINES OPEN THROUGHOUT... |
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IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES AT ANY |
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UNLESS THERE'D BEEN SOMETHING DRAMATIC THAT THE INSPECTORS MIGHT HAVE UNCOVERED. THAT MIGHT HAVE MADE... |
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AS WE HADN'T GOT NINE POSITIVE VOTES IN THE BAG, A FRENCH VOTE AGAINST WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A VETO.... |
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NO, THE ACTUAL SITUATION. BECAUSE I HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER LEADERS AT THE TIME. AND MOST... |
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YOU HADN'T REACHED A POINT IN THE WEEK OR SO BEFORE THE RESOLUTION WAS WITHDRAWN WHERE YOU'D EFFECTIVELY... |
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WELL, I THINK WITH MORE THAT, I THOUGHT THERE WAS -- IT WAS WORTH HAVING ONE LAST DITCH CHANCE TO... |
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IF I CAN JUST MOVE ON TO MY OTHER POINT. WIDER POINT. AND IT'S A REALLY CRITICAL MOMENT, OBVIOUSLY... |
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I THINK THE AMERICANS WOULD'VE DONE THAT. I THINK PRESIDENT BUSH ACTUALLY ONE POINT SHORTLY BEFORE... |
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CLEARLY THE WAR SUPPORT, I SUPPOSE THIS WAS A LONG WAY SHORT OF WHAT YOU'D HOPED TO |
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I WOULD HAVE HOPED TO HAVE HAD A UNITED NATIONS SITUATION IN WHICH EVERYONE WAS ON THE SAME PAGE... |
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IN KOSOVO, ONE DIDN'T HAVE BECAUSE THE RUSSIANS THREATENED TO VETO, BUT YOU HAD MUCH STRONGER SUPPORT,... |
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REALLY TOUGH SITUATION, YES. AND IN THE END, WHAT INFLUENCED ME WAS THAT MY JUDGMENT ULTIMATELY WAS... |
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YOU SAID THIS MORNING YOU WEREN'T TERRIBLY CONFIDENT IT |
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I DID HOPE IT WOULD WORK. I WASN'T CONFIDENT ABOUT SADDAM AND FOR PERSONALLY GOOD REASONS. HE'D BEEN... |
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THE OTHER DAY REFERRED TO A PLAN B THAT HE'D FLOATED WITH YOU. I THINK I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT... |
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WELL, THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY. AS I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING. IN FACT, OUR OWN MILITARY IN A... |
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WELL, THEY'RE OUT THERE READY TO GO AND TROOPS IN THAT SITUATION DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO |
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THIS IS EVEN BACK IN OCTOBER. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2002, THE MILITARY... |
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I'M NOW THINKING OF THE LAST |
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I THOUGHT YOU WERE MEANING TO SUGGEST IT WAS BECAUSE THE TROOPS WERE DOWN THERE. I THINK TO BE FAIR... |
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SOME ARGUED THE OPPOSITE. SOME OF OUR EARLIER WITNESSES WHO HAVE SAID THAT BY GOING IN WITH THE LARGE... |
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I'M SORRY, I MEANT PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE. EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD HAVE... |
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I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT NOW, IF I MAY. IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE GOT NOTHING FURTHER THEY WANT... |
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JUST TO INTERJECT AND THEN COMING TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BASED ON THAT. |
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IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO YOU? YEAH. AND SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE SUMMARY IF YOU'RE NOT CONTENT WITH ANY... |
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IF YOU'RE CONTENT, THEN I'LL CONTINUE. AND I HAVE TO DO AS WELL WITH THE SECOND HALF. BECAUSE I'M... |
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YES, I THINK THAT IS A FAIR SUMMARY OF THE LEGAL BACKGROUND. I WOULD SAY, HOWEVER, JUST ONE POINT,... |
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I WENT THROUGH THAT IN CONSIDERABLE DETAIL AS YOU PROBABLY SAW WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO MAKE... |
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WE GOT A PAPER ON THE 8th OF MARCH PAPER THAT SET OUT THE LEGAL POSITION. AND THAT SET IT OUT IN THE... |
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SO YOU WANTED AT THAT EARLY STAGE TO KNOW THE LEGAL PARAMETERS. DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE THAT ADVICE... |
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LEGAL ADVISERS? I DON'T. |
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IF I PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, I THINK FROM OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, IT DIDN'T COME FROM... |
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CAME FROM THE FOREIGN OFFICE, |
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IT CAME FROM THE FOREIGN OFFICE. COULD YOU SAY WHY GIVEN -- THIS IS PRETTY SERIOUS TERRITORY YOU'RE... |
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I MEAN, WE WERE IN MY VIEW A LONG WAY AT THAT POINT FROM TAKING A DECISION. AND HAVE WE COME CLOSE... |
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IT WAS 100% IN LINE WITH BOTH OF THEM. FROM THAT POINT, BUILDING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL INTO THE PROCESS... |
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NOT AT THAT STAGE. BECAUSE WE WERE -- AS I SAY AT A VERY PRELIMINARY POINT. BUT WHAT I TOOK FROM THE... |
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I DO POINT OUT THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS AT A LATER STAGE, I BECAME CONCERNED AS A TO WHAT THE LEGAL... |
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IF I CAN JUST STICK A LITTLE BIT -- A COUPLE OF MINUTES WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S ROLE IN THIS... |
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WELL, HE WAS VERY CLOSELY INVOLVED IN THIS. IN THE SENSE THAT HE, HIMSELF, AND ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE... |
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YOU ACTUALLY GOT TO THE POINT POINT, RIGHT CLOSE TO THE POINT WITH HIM ONLY HAVING BEEN TO THE CABINET... |
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THE ISSUE'S NOT HOW MANY TIMES HE COMES TO THE CABINET, THE ISSUE'S WHETHER HE'S GIVING HIS ADVICE... |
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WELL, INDEED, HE TOLD US HE VOLUNTEERED AFTER YOUR MEETING OF THE 23rd OF JULY WHEN YOU WERE ABOUT... |
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IT WAS NOT THAT IT WASN'T PARTICULARLY WELCOME. I WAS DEALING WITH WHAT ALREADY WAS A DIFFICULT SITUATION.... |
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WE GOT THE POINT, YOU DIDN'T NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY REMINDED |
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NO, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, IT ACTUALLY WAS THEN VERY HELPFUL FOR HIM TO DO THIS. BECAUSE HE FOCUSSED... |
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SO YOU JUST GOT THE WRONG VIBES FROM THE REACTION AT |
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KNOW. BUT I KNOW PETER VERY WELL AND HE'S SOMEONE I HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR. |
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HE MADE THIS REMARK, SO IT'S |
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I THINK TO BE FRANK AND FAIR TO HIM, HE WAS DECIDING BEFORE I GO TO PRESIDENT BUSH, AND I THINK HE... |
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HE WANTED TO MAKE IT |
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THAT IT WASN'T REALLY -- I THINK HIS POINT WAS IT'S NOT REALLY GOING DOWN THE U.N. ROUTE, IT'S GETTING... |
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LET'S TURN TO THAT RESOLUTION. JUST AFTER IT WAS ADOPTED, ADOPTED ON THE 8th OF NOVEMBER, RESOLUTION... |
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NO, I THINK WHAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO DO WAS TO EXPLAIN TO US WHAT HIS CONCERNS WERE. AND LOOK,... |
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BUT IF YOU'D KNOWN THAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY THAT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE KNOWN THAT AS... |
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WELL, WE DID KNOW OUR OPTIONS. WHAT WE DIDN'T GET FORMAL IN THE SENSE LEGAL ADVICE AT THAT POINT,... |
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THIS STAGE BEFORE THE MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY, HE'S NOT OFFERING YOU OPTIONS NOR LEGAL ADVICE. THEY ARE... |
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WELL, WE DID KNOW BECAUSE PETER MADE IT CLEAR, THE BEST THING TO DO WAS TO GET A RESOLUTION. THE... |
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IT WAS TWO THINGS TO BE FAIR TO HIM. AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS SEEN IN ITS PROPER... |
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BUT THAT HAD TO BE DETERMINED |
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AND THE ISSUE IS TO WHETHER -- BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WANTED ACTUALLY THE SECURITY COUNCIL HAD TO TAKE... |
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THAT'S WHERE YOU ENDED UP IN MARCH. BUT UNTIL THE 12th OF FEBRUARY, YOU WERE NOT BEING TOLD BY THE... |
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YES, THERE WAS A DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN WHERE OUR POSITION WAS AT THIS STAGE AND THE AMERICAN POSITION.... |
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YES, BUT NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMERICANS. WHAT HAPPENED WAS, HE HAD A |
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AFTER WHICH HE WROTE YOU |
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BUT HE SAID IT HAD BEEN A VERY USEFUL DISCUSSION AND THAT HAD OBVIOUSLY MOVED HIM |
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HE TOLD US THERE WERE THREE THINGS THAT MOVED HIM. THE NEGOTIATING HISTORY PROVIDED BY THE FOREIGN... |
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AND IT'S FAIR TO SAY -- I |
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IT WAS ALWAYS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT BALANCE TO JUDGMENT. BUT THE IMPORTANT THING WAS IN THE END THAT... |
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WELL, HE ASKED YOU TO SAY IT WAS SUFFICIENT. BUT THAT'S AT THE END OF THE GAME. CAN I JUST GO TO THE... |
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I CAN'T RECALL ANY SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS BEFORE THE 13th OF MARCH. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS... |
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AND A HUGE AMOUNT HUNG ON |
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OF COURSE, IT DID. A LOT HUNG ON THAT DECISION. AND IT WAS THEREFORE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT IT WAS... |
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SO IT'S QUITE HARD TO ARGUE WHAT? |
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THE FURTHER RESOLUTION WAS CLEARLY POLITICALLY PREFERABLE FOR US IF YOU CAN GET EVERYBODY BACK ON... |
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NOBODY MENTIONED THAT |
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BECAUSE PEOPLE SOMETIMES SAY IT WAS ALL KIND OF CAST IN |
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NUMBER TEN SAYS TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, EVEN INTO MARTHA IT WAS ESSENTIAL FROM... |
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NOT PREFERABLY, BUT ESSENTIAL. WERE WE SAYING IT WAS LEGALLY NECESSARY FOR US? |
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WHAT WE SAID WAS THAT LEGALLY IT RESOLVES THAT QUESTION OBVIOUSLY BEYOND ANY DISPUTE. ON THE OTHER... |
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WELL, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A CONSIDERABLE RELIEF TO YOU ON THE 13th OF MARCH WHEN HE TOLD YOU HE'D COME... |
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AND THE REASON HE'D DONE THAT WAS REALLY VERY OBVIOUS. WHICH WAS THE REPORTS INDICATED QUITE CLEARLY... |
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BUT HE'D DONE IN DISAGREEMENT WITH THE INTERNATIONAL LAWYER, ALL OF THEM AS WE UNDERSTAND, |
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HE'S ALSO I THINK -- I SEEM TO REMEMBER BUT I MAY BE WRONG, BUT IF I AM FORGIVE ME, BUT I |
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WE DISCUSSED THAT, AND IT DIDN'T APPEAR FROM OUR DISCUSSION THAT THERE WERE MANY OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE... |
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OBVIOUSLY OTHER COUNTRIES WERE HAVING THE SAME ISSUES AS WELL AND HAVING TO DECIDE THIS AND IT WASN'T... |
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CLEARLY NOT. IT HAD TO IMPACT BACK UPON HIM. WE HEARD ABOUT THAT THE REVIEW FOUND BUT WHETHER OUR COUNTRIES... |
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I THINK ALL COUNTRIES WHO TOOK THE MILITARY ACTION BELIEVED THEY HAD A SOUND LEGAL BASIS FOR DOING... |
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WE'RE NOT LAWYERS. WE'VE SIMPLY LISTENED TO THE VIEWS OF LAWYERS. LORD GOLDSMITH, AND THE OTHERS, ... |
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ALL I'M -- SORRY. PLEASE, ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GO BACK AND READ 1441, IT'S PRETTY... |
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WELL, LET ME NOT PASS JUDGMENT ON THAT. I'M ASKING QUESTIONS, AND I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION TO STATE... |
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I WOULD PUT IT IN THIS WAY, WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW FROM HIM WAS IN THE END, WAS HE GOING SAY THIS WAS... |
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YOU WEREN'T WORRY BY HIM SAYING THAT HE WOULDN'T EXPECT |
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HE SAID, NOT TO WIN, SIMPLY SAID THERE'S A CASE EITHER BAP AND THERE ALWAYS WAS A CASE EITHER WAY.... |
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WAS CASE EITHER WAY, BUN ONE DESCRIBED AS THE SAFEST LEGAL COURSE THAT WAS NO LONGER AVAILABLE AND... |
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I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO THE QUESTION OF PREPARATIONS AND PLANNING. THE DECISION HAVING BEEN TAKEN.... |
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YES. OF COURSE, PART OF THE PROCESS OF ASKING FOR THE PAPERS THAT DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF... |
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BUT A FUNDAMENTAL UNDERLYING ASSUMPTION OF THE STRATEGIC DEFENSE OF YOU, WHICH, OF COURSE, YOUR GOVERNMENT... |
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ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WAS TO BE VERY CLEAR, YOU COULD NOTE DO IT UNLESS THE MILITARY WERE READY TO DO IT.... |
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BUT, I MEAN, WAS THAT ASSURANCE GIVEN TO YOU BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GIVE YOU A FEW OF |
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NO. THE ONE THING ABOUT THE MILITARY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IS THEY TELL YOU BLUNTLY, QUITE RIGHTLY,... |
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THEY DID BUT I THINK YOU WOULD APPRECIATE THAT THEY ONLY ACTUALLY HAD ABOUT THREE -- IT WAS IN JANUARY,... |
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WELL I THOUGHT -- SORRY, BARONESS. I THOUGHT JEFF HAD COME TO ME THE END OF OCTOBER. THERE HAD BEEN... |
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TRUE, BUT NO VISIBILITY AND THINGS LIKE THE PROVISION OF ESSENTIAL MEDICAL PLY, COMBATS, BOOTS, ... |
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SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME, TA NOBODY SPELLED OUT TO YOU THE IMPLICATIONS OF NOT BEING PREPARED IN... |
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THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY SPELLING OUT THE IMPLICATIONS, WHY JEFF CAME TO ME AND SAID WE'VE NOW GOT TO... |
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BUT THE POINT IS, FORMAL APPROVAL DID NOT COME UNTIL JANUARY ANYWAY, AND, IN FACT, WE DO KNOW THAT... |
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WELL IRS DIDN'T KNOW -- AS I SAY, THERE WERE ISSUES TO DO WITH LOGISTICS THAT THEY'RE FAR BETTER... |
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CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, BECAUSE IF THE VIEW WAS THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE UNITED NATIONS... |
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WELL, WE CHANGED, AND WE DID HAVE THE VISIBLE PREPARATION, |
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THAT CAME LATER. THAT'S MY POINCHT EXACTLY. BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A CONCERN, IF YOU LIKE THE MIDDLE... |
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I NOW WANT TO TURN TO THE GENERAL AFTERMATH PLANNING, BECAUSE ON THE 21st OF JANUARY, 2003, YOU WERE... |
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WELL, FIRST OF ALL I THINK WE'VE GOT TO DIVIDE IT INTO TWO SECTIONS HERE, AND ACTUALLY, WE A TREMENDOUS... |
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BUT WE ALSO HAVE EVIDENCE AND THESE LETTERS HAVE BEEN DECLASSIFY, THAT CLAIR SHORT WAS WRITING TO YOU... |
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BUT IF YOU ANALYZE THOSE LETTERS FOCUSED ESPECIALLY ON |
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THEY DO. SHE WAS COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PREPAREDNESS AND TIMING WHEN 2 WAS DONE. |
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EXACTLY SO. THAT'S WHY WE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DOUBLED OUR FOCUS AND WHEN WE WENT IN THERE... |
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THAT RAISES ANOTHER ISSUE, THAT HOW ADEQUATE WAS THE PLANNING AND HAD YOU ENSURED THAT PLANNING COVERED... |
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YES, BUT WHAT WE THOUGHT WE GOING TO ENCOUNTER IN IRAQ I THINK WE DID PLAN ADEQUATELY. WE ACTUALLY... |
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WE'LL COME TO THAT, BUT I THINK YOU QUOTED LORD TURNBULL. I MEAN, THE DECISION, AS I SAID, TO SUBSTANTIAL... |
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IT'S CORRECT THAT I THINK FROM EARLIER JANUARY ON WE KNEW WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE WERE... |
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WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT WHEN |
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I THINK FROM JANUARY ONWARDS IT WAS CLEAR THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE WERE GOING... |
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BUT THAT -- I MEAN, THAT HAPPENED, I THINK, AFTER WE GOT THE SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION |
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YES, ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT |
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BUT WHAT DID WE UNLIKE OTHER MEMBERS ACCEPT THE STATUS OF A |
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BECAUSE WE WERE THE KEY PARTNER OF THE U.S. IN THIS. WE BELIEVED IN IT. WE BELIEVED IT WAS RIGHT TO... |
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DID WE ACTUALLY WEIGH UP ALL THE LIABILITIES, THE RISKS AND |
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ABSOLUTELY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MADE VERY CLEAR, I THINK I MADE THIS CLEAR ON A NUMBER OF... |
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BUT WHY IS IT THAT SO MANY WITNESSES HAVE SAID TO US THAT |
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WELL I THINK -- FIRST OF ALL, A LOT OF THE CRITICISMS ARE DIRECTED AT AMERICAN SYSTEM. NOW, ALL I WOULD... |
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YOU SAY DIRECTED, CRITICISM, AT THE AMERICANS. WHAT HAD YOU AGREED WITH |
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WHAT WE'D AGREED WAS THAT, THIS WAS THE WHOLE DISPUTE, REALLY, ABOUT THE UNITED NATIONS. WE WERE... |
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THEY WERE VERY RELUCTANT TO GIVE A ROLE AND THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK WHICH WE WANTED, TLABD WAS... |
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YES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BARONESS, BUT IN THE END THE AMERICANS AGREED THEY SHOULD HAVE WHAT... |
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BUT SAYING WAVED OFF BY BUSH |
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IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT THEN HAPPENED WITH THE UNITED NATIONS AND IRAQ, I THINK RESOLUTION 1483... |
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NO. |
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RATHER THAN REFER TO IT LET ME MAKE THIS SIMPLE POINT. I SAW KOFI ANNAN I THINK ON THE, I THINK IT... |
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IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE, NOT |
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A COALITION-LED INVASION AND HE DID NOT WANT FULL RESPONSIBILITY OF RECONSTRUCTION |
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CORRECT, BUT THAT IS WHY WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT AS IT WERE THE U.N. SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE LEAD... |
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I UNDERSTAND, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE POINT, BECAUSE MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT AS EARLY AS SEPTEMBER... |
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WELL, THE AMERICANS WERE MAKING AN EFFORT ACTUALLY, BUT AS I SAY, IF YOU READ THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S... |
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YOU PERSONALLY BECAME INVOLVED IN THE AFTERMATH AROUND ABOUT FEBRUARY 2003. |
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NO. I WAS PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THEN. AS WE CAME TO THE POINT OF... |
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THAT'S TRUE, BUT I THINK I GO BACK TO MIERER POINT. IT IS THE ADEQUACY OF THE PLANNING ON A WHOLE RANGE... |
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WELL, I WOULD SAY WE MOST CERTAINLY DID PLAN FOR THE PROBLEMS IN RELATION TO THE POTENTIAL FOR A... |
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BUT BEFORE THAT, I MEAN, THE DECISION WAS TAKEN, EXAMPLE, THE AURA WAS ACTUALLY PLACED BY CPA AND,... |
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I THINK -- LOOK, WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED WAS IT BECAME VERY CLEAR THAT HE WASN'T |
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CAPABLE OF DOING THIS. I KNOW. MY POINT IN TERMS OF WORKING TOGETHER IF IT WERE A JOINT OWLING POWER,... |
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I THINK WE BEING CONSULTED ON THE QUESTIONS EVERYONE THOUGHT WOULD ARISHGSZ BUT IT'S TRUE. TIM CROSS... |
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BUT THE POINT, REALLY IS, OUR ASSUMPTION WAS THAT WE WOULD GET THE UNITED NATIONS TO -- IN THE LEAD... |
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WE DID PLAN FOR THOSE EVENTUALITIES IN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THEY MIGHT BE AND WORKED THEM OUT. THE TROUBLE... |
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COME TO THAT LATER, AND I |
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WANT TO PASS ON NOW. ALL RIGHT. |
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WANTED TO FINISH MY SAYING. THAT ALL OF THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. WE COULD HAVE HANDLED THE... |
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THAT'S AN AREA WE'LL COVER |
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I THINK WE'LL TAKE A BREAK IN A MOMENT. I JUST WANTED -- IN HEARING THIS SET OF EXCHANGES AND READING... |
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THANK YOU. IT MAY TURN OUT TO BE AN EXPENSIVE LESSON BUT ONE VERY NECESSARY TO LEARN. LET'S HAVE A... |
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