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THANK YOU. WE'RE AT PART THREE OF A THREE-PART SERIES TODAY ON CONTRACTOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRYING... |
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YES. |
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OKAY. NOTE FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE THAT ALL WITNESSES HAVE RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. THANK YOU,... |
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THANK YOU, MR. DIRECTOR WILLIAMS? |
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THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU IN FOLLOW UP TO THE AUGUST 11th HEARING REGARDING... |
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THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS.N/ DIRECTOR STEPHENSON. |
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GERMAN THIBAULT, CHAIRMAN SHAYS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR... |
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THANK YOU, DIRECTOR STEPHENSON. THANK YOU ALL OF YOU. I WILLco START THIS OFF. I GUESS I WILL WORK... |
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CHAIRMAN, A COUPLE THINGS ARE GOING ON. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A DRAFT PROCEDURE IN PLACE. WE HAVE HAD... |
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THANK YOU. DIRECTOR WILLIAMS, BUILDING ON THAT, THERE WERE NUMEROUS EXAMPLES AT OUR PRIOR HEARING... |
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FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT WHAT MR. ASSAD SAID. LET ME SAY WHAT WE HAVE INSTITUTED IN DCMA IS A BOARD... |
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DIRECTOR STEPHENSON, HOW IS IT WORKING FROM YOUR ANGLE OR PERSPECTIVE? |
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WE ARE PUSHING HARD. AS FAR AS INVENTORYco WE ARE WORKING THERE IS ISSUES WITH THE BOARD OF REVIEW.... |
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THANK YOU. I HAVE GOT A BIT OF TIME, SO I WILL OPEN A DIALOGUE, BUT I WILL KEEP IT WITH MR. ASSAD.... |
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I READ THE REPORT. WE ARE MEETING I THINK TOMORROW. MY FIRST REACTION TO THESE THINGS IS TO ALWAYS... |
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MY TIME IS UP. I WILL COVER IT LATER. COMMISSIONER SHAYS? |
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THE ONLY REASON WHY WE HAVE THIS HEARING WAS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE OUTRAGEOUS FACTS TO THAT TWO DEPARTMENTS... |
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THERE IS NOT A PROCESS IN PLACE AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME FOR THE PROCESS IN PLACE IS TO GET IT RESOLVED... |
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I WILL INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND. WHEN WILL IT BE RESOLVED? WE HAD A LONG CHART HERE THAT TOOK THEM... |
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I THINK ABOUT 30 DAYS. I THINK SO. THE FUNDAMENTAL STRUCTURE WE ALREADY HAVE. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS... |
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WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SYSTEMS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ANY PROBLEM THAT DCAA FINDS THAT THEY THINK... |
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NO, I AM SAYING IN SOME CASES WE DO AND IN SOME CASES WE DON'T. I AM SAYING THAT. WHAT I AMRYING... |
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MR. ASIDE, WE ARE TALKING MORE THAN THAT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE COURTESY OF A RESPONSE BY DCMA... |
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COMMISSIONER, THAT PERHAPS WAS SETTLED ON MY PART. BY INCLUDING THAT IN OUR PRE CLEARANCE BEFORE WE... |
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IS IT RESOLVED? |
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NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO INSTITUTIONALIZE IT. I AM TELLING YOU THAT FUNDAMENTALLY THAT IS WHAT WE ARE... |
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I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT TAKES SO FREAKING LONG FOR A DEPARTMENT TO RESOLVE... |
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THAT IS NOT THE CASE. WE MET THE DAY AFTER THIS COMMISSION MET WITH BOTH DCAA AND DCMA. AND WE TALKED... |
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TELL ME THIS AND I WILL YIELD BACK MY TIME. NOT WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, BUT WHEN IT WILL... |
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WITHIN 30 DAYS. |
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THANK YOU. |
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COMMISSIONER ZAKHEIM. |
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I WOULD LIKE TO DEAL WITH A SUBSET OF CHAIRMAN SHAYS CONCERN. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, MR. WILLIAMS,... |
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I DON'T THINK IT IS A=ahP & HC% MOUNTAIN TOO HARD TO CLIMB. I THINK WHERE WE ARE HEADED -- THE REASON... |
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MR. ASSAD, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I WAS QUOTING DCMA'S OWN LAWYER. I AM THOROUGHLY CONFUSED... |
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NO, I AM NOT PAWNBROKER YES, I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO CHANGE THE REGULATIONS. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY... |
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MR. ASIDE, ON PAGE 7 OF YOUR STATEMENT YOU SAY I AM PERSONALLY IMPLORING CONTRACT OFFICERS NOT TO... |
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PERHAPS IN IMPLORING WAS PRECIPITOUS USE OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. I MAKE IT FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD... |
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THE LAST QUESTION YOU ENTERED O IRMAN SHAYS THAT IN ABOUT 30 DAYS YOU WILL GO FROM A DRAFT TO A FINAL... |
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90 DAYS IS WHAT THEY HAD SET UP. FOR THE THINGS THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD GET INTO PLAY THEY THOUGHT... |
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THANK YOU. I AM GLAD YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU. I YIELD THE REST OF MY TIME. |
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COMMISSIONER ERVIN? |
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I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. PURSE, A COUPLE PREPARATORY REMARKS. I WANT TO HAVE LEAST MENTION YOUR COMMENTS... |
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THE TIME FRAME FOR DCAA IS ABOUT 700 AUDITORS WERE WITHIN THE FIRST THREE YR SPIRIT THAT IS WHAT WE... |
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THANK YOU. I MAY BE THE ONLY SOUTHERNERco ON THIS PANEL AND THERE IS AN EXPRESSION -- I AM FROM TEXAS... |
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I GUESS THE SUBMISSION, IN MY MIND, THE SUBMISSION OF A CORRECTIVE ACTION PLAN IS IN FACT A CORRECTIVE... |
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I AM NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT. DID YOU SAY THE SUBMISSION OFco A CORRECTIVE ACTION PLAN IS SUFFICIENT?... |
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NO, THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CLOCK THAT SAYS WHEN THEY SUBMIT A CORRECTIVE ACTION PLAN THAT WILL... |
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SUBMIT OR IMPLEMENT? |
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IT MAY TAKE THEM 9 MONTHS TO DO A FULL IMPLEMENTATION, THEN WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE SEVERITY... |
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MR. WILLIAMS, I WANT TO ASK YOU. THE REASON I DON'T FIND HER ANSWER VERY COMFORTING IS IT IMPLIES... |
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I DID NOT SAY THAT. |
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THE ISSUE I WANT TO KNOW IS WILL WE WITHHOLD THE MONEY UNTIL THE PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED AND SHOWN TO... |
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WE WILL WITHHOLD THE MONEY IF AN ACCEPTABLE PLAN ISN'T DELIVERED. WE WILL WITHHOLD MONEY IF WE DO... |
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DON'T THEY HAVE TO BE IMPLEMENTED BEFORE YOU GIVE THEM THE MONEY? TO ACCEPT A PLAN THAT HASN'T YET... |
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LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. BUT SAY THEY HAVE AN AUTOMATED BILLING SYSTEM AND WHAT THEY HAVE SAID... |
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I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD LEAST KEEP THE MONEY FOR 35xD OR 45 DAYS UNTIL YOUco( SAW IT WORKING. |
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MR. WILLIAMS, I THINK THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING, COMMISSIONER. |
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WHAT I SAID IS IF WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS IMPRESSIVE ENOUGH WE WILL WITHHOLD. IT WILL BE A JUDGMENTAL... |
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I GUESS WHAT IS FRUSTRATING SEVERAL OF US IS THEY GIVE YOU A PLAN, TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE. THEY WILL... |
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THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. IN MOST INSTANCES WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS REIMBURSABLE BASEMENT.... |
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IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WILL PROVISIONALLY ACCEPT THESE CORRECTIVE ACTION PLANS? YOU WILL ACCEPT THEM... |
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THAT IS CORRECT. TO ESSENTIALLY FOLLOW THE SAME LINE OF QUESTIONING, I WAS PUZZLED BY IT AND I THINK... |
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I AGREE, COMMISSIONER IT WASN'T AN INTENT ON MY PART OF PUTTING THOSE WORDS IN TO SAY WE DON'T DISAPPROVE... |
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IT SEEMS AS THOUGH -- AND CERTAINLY MR. RICKEY'S TESTIMONY SUGGESTS THAT EVEN IN DCMA JUDGMENT THERE... |
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I WILL ANSWER. THERE IS NO AMBIGUITY. THIS NEEDS TO BE SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD SO OUR CONTRACTING... |
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JUST TO BE CLEAR I'M TALKING ABOUT AMBIGUITY IN THE REGULATIONS. |
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WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT SIMPLE AND STRAIGHT FOR. THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT WITHIN THE NEXT 90... |
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EARLIER YOU SAID THERE ARE CHANGES IN THE REGULATION THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE BECAUSE THE REGULATIONS... |
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THEY WILL BE RESOLVED WITHIN THE NEXT 90 DAYS. THE REGULATIONS WILL BE CHANGED. THE AMBIGUITIES WILL... |
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I KNOW WHAT 30 DAYS IS AND I KNOW WHAT 90 DAYS IS. |
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30 DAYS IS THE ADJUDICATION PROCESS. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN OPINION BETWEEN AN AUDITOR AND LET'S... |
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I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE HAVE THE PANEL BACK IN 90 DAYS.Ni THANK YOU. |
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COMMISSIONER CORRINE? |
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MR. ASSAD, EVEN BEEN AROUND THE BUILDING A LONG TIME. YOU HAVE SEEN THESE TWOco ORGANIZATIONS WORK,... |
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I THINK THERE IS A PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP, BUT THE TWO AGENCIES HAVE NOT WORKED IN CONCERT WITH... |
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ARE WE THE FIRST ONES TO RAISE THAT?Ni WHAT HAS OS DE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST?;n 10 YEARS? |
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I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE, FRANKLY, IN THE DRAWDOWN OF THE WORK FORCE WAS THE DRAWDOWN OF A NUMBER... |
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WHAT IS THE LONG POLE IN THE TENT LEGISLATIVE REGULATORY POLICY IN GETTING THESE ORGANIZATIONS ON... |
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THERE IS NO LONG POLE. WE WILL GET IT DONE IN 90 DAYS. |
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ARE YOU PREPARED TO COME IN, I ASSUME, WITH LEGISLATIVE |
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YES. |
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nrMS. STEPHENSON, YOUR ACCESS TO CONTRACTOR RECORDS IS INSUFFICIENT AND I THINK YOU HAVE MADE THAT... |
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TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW.Ni WE SUBMITTED ITS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. I HAVE TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW... |
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT BEING WORKED MEANS EITHER. MR. ASSAD, TO YOU KNOW? |
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I AM NOT PREPARED TO TELL YOU WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION AT POSITION IS ON THAT. I DO KNOW WE ARE PREPARING... |
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OPEN. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. |
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THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER T. FOR. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MS. STEVEN YOUR AUDIT SAYS THAT KBR'S DRAWDOWN PLANNING WAS SO INEFFECTIVE... |
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WE ARE PLANNING ANY MORE REPORTS. THAT IS ONE REASON WHY IT IS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE. WE HAVE PLANNED... |
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I AM VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THIS. LETco ME ASK ABOUT YOUR JOB CHANGE, WHICH HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED AS A... |
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IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD DONE IN THE PAST AND I WILL TALK IN GENERAL TERMS. I HAVE TO ENTER... |
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ANOTHER SUBJECT NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS HAS BEEN A TOUGH TRANSITION FROM LOGCAP 3 TO LOGCAP 4.... |
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IT IS ABSOLUTELY A PARTY. AS I SAID IN MY OPENING STATEMENT I ALWAYS HAVE AND UNTIL FRIDAY AND WILL... |
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THANK YOU. ON A MORE PERSONAL POINT, YOU MENTIONED WERE 22 YEARS IN THE CIVIL SERVICE. HOW LONG IS... |
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SEVEN YEARS. |
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IS IT TYPICALLY IN THE CIVIL SERVICE THAT YOU HAD TO BE PROMOTED ON MERIT AT EACH POINT. THIS IS NOT... |
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IT WAS ALL MERIT. |
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I WANT TO ASK, MANY OF US HELD OUR BREATH WHEN THE POINT CAME IN YOUR STATEMENT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT... |
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MY GOAL IS TO STAY WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. MY GOAL IS TO STAY WITHIN THE AUDITOR OF THE FEDERAL... |
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SO, YOU ARE NOT GOING -- WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF TALENTED, EXPERIENCED MANAGERS GO OFF TO THE GREENER... |
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THAT IS NOT A PRIORITY FOR ME. |
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OKAY. I WANT TO MENTION, SINCE I SEEM TO HAVE THE TIME, THAT I BELIEVE ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH MR. SHAYS... |
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WE ARti ON OUR SECOND ROUND TO THE EXTENT THAT ANYONE HAS ANYTHING. I ONLY HAVE ONE AND THEN A COMMENT.... |
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I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE. TO THE FACT IS IF WE FIND OUTRAGEOUS CHARGES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE,... |
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YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THAT? OKAY. LAST COMMENT. I AM BIASED. I HAVE ABOUT 100 YEARS OR 32 TO BE EXACT... |
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THANK YOU. |
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A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, A QUICK QUESTION TO MR. ASSAD. THE LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS, HOW DOES THAT... |
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I LEFT IT OPEN TO A LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY. FRANKLY EVERYTHING WE HAVE SEEN... |
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EXCELLENT. A QUICK QUESTION TO DIRECTOR STEPHENSON. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD EARLIER WAS THAT IT... |
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NO, I DO NOT. IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT AND WE WOULD NOT LOOK FOR PERFECTION. HOWEVER I THINK THERE SHOULD... |
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I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THREE OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.N+ THIS 1. GODSPEED AND GET IT DONE BECAUSE ... |
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COMMISSIONER HENKE I OWE YOU AN APOLOGY. I IGNORED YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ROBERT? |
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JUST A BRIEF ONE FOR DIRECTOR STEPHENSON. AT OUR AUGUST HEARING WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT YOUR SYSTEM... |
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WHAT WE ARE STARTING WITH IS THE BILLING SYSTEM. WE ARE GOING SYSTEM BY SYSTEM. THE OVERALL GENERAL... |
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YOUR STATEMENT MAKES A POINT WHERE THAT FOCUSES ON RISK CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? |
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IS A RISK TO THE GOVERNMENT IF THERE ARE OVERCHARGES BUT IT IS A RISK TO THE GOVERNMENT IS THAT SUBSYSTEM... |
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AND THAT PROVIDES PROCESS WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE END OF DECEMBER? |
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FOR THE BILLING SYSTEM FOR THIS YEAR WE ARE FOCUSING ON BILLING AND ACCOUNTING AND WE'RE NOT STARTING... |
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HOW WILL THE CONTRACT OFFICER BE ABLE TO TAKE A REPORT ON THE BILLING SYSTEM AND SEE WHERE THE RISK... |
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IT IS CLEARLY OUTLINED AS TO WHERE THE RISKS ARE, BUT THE IMPACT TO THE GOVERNMENT IS AND WHAT THEY... |
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THANK YOU DURING MUCH. |
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COMMISSIONER GREEN ARE YOU GOOD TO GO? |
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I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD. |
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QUESTIONS FOR THE RECORD FOR MS. STEPHENSON AND MAYBE MR. WILLIAMS OR MR. ASSAD. YOUNi HAVE ALL BEEN... |
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TO MR. THIBAULT, COMMISSIONER SHAYS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT WE ARE TAKING... |
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THANK YOU. LET ME ECHO WHAT MR. ASSAD SAID. I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT LET ME ADD THAT I THINK THIS DISCUSSION... |
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DIRECTOR STEPHENSON? |
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I HAVE TO APPLAUD THE COMMISSION FOR THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME BEING... |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE AWED YANGS, YOU'RE PRETTY PATIENT AND TO THE STAFF. COMMISSION I'VE ALWAYS... |
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