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THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE AND PROCEEDING OF THIS INVESTIGATION AND HEARINGS. I CAN THINK OF NO MORE... |
| 00:15:04 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR COLLINS FOR THAT EXCELLENT OPENING STATEMENT. AND NOW GO TO THE WITNESSES... |
| 00:16:07 |
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THANK YOU, I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU INVITING ME TO TESTIFY THIS MORNING ON A SUBJECT OF NATIONAL IMPORTANCE... |
| 00:25:50 |
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THANK YOU FOR THE STIRRING STATEMENT. WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE A GRAND TOWNSEND WITH US, FORMER ASSISTANT... |
| 00:26:18 |
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THANK YOU. IT IS REALLY A PRIVILEGE FOR ME TO BE HERE TODAY. AFTER MORE THAN 20 YEARS IN THE GOVERNMENT,... |
| 00:37:27 |
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I REALLY APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT AND CONTENT OF YOUR TESTIMONY, WHICH I THINK WILL BE BOTH INFORMATIVE... |
| 00:38:40 |
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IN OCTOBER OF 2007, I TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT THE FINDINGS OF A RECENT STUDY TITLED... |
| 00:50:35 |
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THANK YOU. I HAVE TWO QUICK COMMENTS. THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU GAVE A SUMMARY OF THE VARIOUS HOMEGROWN... |
| 00:52:18 |
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THANK YOU. PLESSY THE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY -- THANK YOU FOR THE OPERATION TO EAT -- OPPORTUNITY TO... |
| 00:52:35 |
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SO ORDERED. |
| 00:52:40 |
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MY TESTIMONY ADDRESSES THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE FORT HOOD ATTACKED, INCLUDING THE TERRORIST THREAT... |
| 01:05:01 |
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IS EASILY. IF YOU CAN COME TO A -- EXCUSE ME. IF YOU CAN PLEASE COME TO A CLOSE. THE NUMBER OF COMMITTEE... |
| 01:06:46 |
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THANK YOU FOR THE HELPFUL TESTIMONY OUR LAST -- TESTIMONY. OUR LAST WITNESS IS BRIAN JENKINS. HE... |
| 01:07:21 |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVENT. THIS WAS GIVEN TO ME IN MEMORY OF... |
| 01:19:26 |
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THESE ARE NOT SMALL CHILI -- MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE CATEGORIES. WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE TERRORISTS... |
| 01:19:50 |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
| 01:19:53 |
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WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ANGRY AT SOMETHING. IT RESONATES AND REINFORCES AND... |
| 01:21:32 |
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ABSOLUTELY NOT. FREE SPEECH IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE RIGHT OF AMERICANS, BUT IN THE UNITED STATES... |
| 01:23:25 |
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WHAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF AN INDIVIDUAL'S SHOULDER -- INDIVIDUAL SOLDIER WHO HEARS AN INDIVIDUAL... |
| 01:23:57 |
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THE MEMBERS OF THE TEAM HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO IDENTIFY TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND ANY OF THIS TYPE OF... |
| 01:25:03 |
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THAT MAY BE A AN AREA OF RECOMMENDATION FOR US. IS THIS GENERAL, PROHIBITING EXTREMIST ACTIVITY? ... |
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THE ARMY PAMPHLET THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN 2000 IS ENTITLED OF AN " EXTREMIST ACTIVITIES" AND IT DEALS... |
| 01:27:00 |
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LET ME PICK UP WHERE THE CHAIRMAN LEFT OFF. AND I HAVE THE PAMPHLET ON EXTREMIST ACTIVITIES THAT YOU... |
| 01:27:36 |
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I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. AS PAMPHLETS ARE IN THE HIERARCHY OF INFORMATION -- IT IS VERY SPECIFIC AS A RESULT... |
| 01:28:11 |
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THAT IS MY CONCLUSION AS WELL. THE PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES THAT ARE LESS --LISTED IN THIS MANNER UAL... |
| 01:30:30 |
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SENATOR COLLINS, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE WOULD BE CONCERNED ON INFRINGING... |
| 01:31:15 |
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IF WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT ONE REASON THAT THIS WAS NOT AGGRESSIVELY PURSUED WAS CONCERNS THAT IT WOULD... |
| 01:31:32 |
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BASED ON WHAT I KNOW NOW, YES. FRANKLY, THIS IS WHY I MENTIONED MY CONCERN ABOUT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.... |
| 01:32:09 |
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THE OTHER IMPORTANT POINT MADE IN YOUR TESTIMONY IS THAT WHILE THE MEMBERS OF THE JTTF ARE PROHIBITED... |
| 01:32:42 |
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THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT TO FOCUS IS TO IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE AN INTERCEPT THAT WAS NOT OF A FEDERAL... |
| 01:33:34 |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR COLLINS. RELATED TO TERRORISM, A LOCAL OFFICIAL WAS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR CORRUPTION.... |
| 01:34:31 |
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TO OUR WITNESSES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY. AND FOR THE TIME THAT YOU HAVE INVESTED... |
| 01:35:23 |
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THIS COMMENT COMES FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF A GROUP CALLED THE MUSLIM PUBLIC AFFAIRS COUNCIL.... |
| 01:36:41 |
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OUT OF ALL THE COMMENTS, THAT ONE JUMP OFF THE PAGE AT ME. WE ARE A LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE. WE'RE NOT... |
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MY REACTION TO THAT IS CERTAINLY ONE OF ENCOURAGEMENT. I PRAISE THEM FOR MAKING THOSE REMARKS. IN... |
| 01:38:20 |
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MOST, AS YOU KNOW, MOST MUSLIM AMERICANS ARE PATRIOTIC, LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. VERY FEW OF THEM SPEAK... |
| 01:39:16 |
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THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE WAYS TO COMBAT EXTREMISM AND WHAT ROLE DOES THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY PLAY,... |
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I WOULD UNDERSCORE WHAT MR. TOWNSEND SAID. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR MUSLIMS TO SPEAK OUT PUBLICLY. IT IS... |
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WE'RE NOT THE FBI OR THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING LEGISLATIVELY.... |
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I WOULD SAY THAT WE NEED TO BE MAKING SURE THAT LAW- ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY... |
| 01:41:59 |
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ONE HAS GOT TO DO WITH MY PET ISSUE, THE INFORMATION SHARING IN THE RULES. SOMETIMES WE MAKE THEM TOO... |
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GOOD QUESTIONS AND VERY CONSTRUCTIVE ANSWERS. |
| 01:43:02 |
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THANK YOU FOR HOLDING A HEARING. YOU BELIEVE THAT THE ATTACK ON FOR A GOOD -- ON FORT HOOD -- [UNINTELLIGIBLE]... |
| 01:43:17 |
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I DO, BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY REPORTS. WHAT HE WAS SCREAMING AT THE TIME OF THE ACT AND HIS BEHAVIOR... |
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WHEN WE LOOK AT BASIC ENGLISH DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF TERROR, IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE THAT THIS WAS... |
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WE'RE NOT GOING TO PREJUDGE THEIR FINDINGS. |
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ASK YOUR OPINION, NOT YOUR FINDINGS. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO VOICE YOUR OPINION, THAT IS FINE WITH ME.... |
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IT LOOKS LIKE AN ACT OF TERROR TO ME. FOR THE TECHNICAL DEFINITION, THE QUESTION OF POLITICAL MOTIVATION... |
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TERRORISM IS DEFINED IN THE QUALITY OF THE ACT. THE ACT ITSELF MEETS THE QUALITIES OF AN ACT OF TERROR.... |
| 01:45:11 |
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LET ME BRIEFLY REVIEW WHAT WE DO KNOW. HE HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH AN AMERICAN IMAM. THE FBI HAD SOME... |
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ABSOLUTELY. I THINK A FACTOR HERE IS HIS POSITION AS AN OFFICER IN HIS POSITION AS A PSYCHIATRIST.... |
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I HAVE SPOKEN TO MILITARY OFFICERS WHO HAVE STATED THAT THEY, AT LEAST UNTIL NOW, HAVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT... |
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I KNOW IT EXISTS, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE DELAY TO DEAL WITH IT -- IT... |
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AND PERHAPS BEARING ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION -- AIR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION -- ERRING ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.... |
| 01:49:59 |
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WE HAVE INVESTIGATED LOTS OF TIME AND EFFORT IN A POST 9/11 WORLD TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND... |
| 01:50:41 |
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IN THE NYPD, IF WE HAD A CONCERN LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE AFFORDED UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AS WELL AS... |
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GIVEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT THE FBI, I DO NOT THINK THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN AS A TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS... |
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IF THEY BELIEVE THAT THOSE KINDS OF THE MALES THAT THEY DETECTED WERE PART OF RESEARCH THAT ADVOCATES... |
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I DON'T THINK RELIGION IS A BASIS FOR BEING STIGMATIZED, BUT IS NOT A SHIELD FOR LEGITIMATE INQUIRY.... |
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I THANK YOU, I THINK THE WITNESSES. -- THANK THE WITNESSES. |
| 01:52:48 |
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AFTER THE MASSACRE, I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A HIGH-RANKING OFFICER IN THE ARMY. WE HAVE GREAT... |
| 01:54:01 |
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I THINK THIS HEARING HAS BEEN IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS, AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THE... |
| 01:54:56 |
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IF NO ACTION WAS TAKEN, I WOULD TAKE IT TO THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER. |
| 01:55:05 |
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YOU TALK ABOUT THE OBLIGATION TO SIT WITH THE TASK FORCE. DOES THAT HAPPEN WITH THE MILITARY TODAY?... |
| 01:55:20 |
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OF THE JOINT TERRORISM TASK FORCE, THE DEFENSE AND CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE SITS ON IT. MY UNDERSTANDING... |
| 01:55:47 |
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YOU SAID THE PERMISSION WAS PRETTY EASY TO GET. |
| 01:55:50 |
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THEY CAN GET IT, THAT'S RIGHT. THEY DID NOT VIEW IT AS A CLOSE CALL. THEY LOOKED AT THE PERSONNEL... |
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WE HEARD ABOUT THE SILO'S BEFORE 9/11. ALLEGEDLY, HE HAS MADE -- TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WHERE THE COLONEL... |
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TREMENDOUS PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE. WHEN IT CAME TO THE JTTF, AS AN INDICATION THAT WE HAVE MADE A LOT... |
| 01:58:02 |
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YOU HAVE BROUGHT SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TESTIMONY TODAY AS FAR AS FIXING THIS GOING FORWARD. IT... |
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YOU AND I DON'T DISAGREE. |
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I AM SIMPLY TELLING YOU THAT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, THIS IS A CONTINUING CHALLENGE FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT... |
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I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE HAD SOME EXCELLENT TESTIMONY TODAY AND HAVE GIVEN OTHERS IN THE MILITARY SOME... |
| 02:01:05 |
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THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY LESSONS HERE THAT RELATE TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THE BEHAVIOR OF EMPLOYEES OF... |
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THERE IS ALREADY A GREAT DEAL IN THE PUBLIC RECORD ABOUT SILENCE THAT RAISES CONCERNS ABOUT THE ADEQUACY... |
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OF THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS -- THE POSSIBILITY EXISTS. YOU HAVE THE LOOK ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. THE... |
| 02:08:09 |
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I WILL STAND BY WHAT I SAID, WHICH IS THE DIVISION OF OUR SOCIETY WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL IN THE WORST... |
| 02:08:33 |
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I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT BE CONTESTED AND OPPOSED. FOR A MAJOR RELIGIOUS LEADER IN THIS COUNTRY... |
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I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS HELPFUL. I THINK IT PLAYS INTO THE IDEOLOGY NARRATIVE OF THE WEST AND... |
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DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO COMMENT? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT KIND OF STATEMENT -- |
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I THINK IT IS AN OUTRAGEOUS, IRRESPONSIBLE STATEMENTS BY RELIGIOUS LEADER THAT IS FULL OF DISCRIMINATION.... |
| 02:09:47 |
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I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THE GENERAL. IT IS OFFENSIVE, IGNORANT, AND IT LACKS FACT AND KNOWLEDGE. THERE... |
| 02:10:28 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RAISING THE LAST QUESTION. NOT ONLY WAS AN OUTRAGEOUS, BUT IT HURTS OUR EFFORTS... |
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IN THE NATURE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS, IT WILL GIVE US INSIGHT AS TO WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS INTERACTION... |
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THE SIMPLE COMMUNICATION WITH SOMEBODY THAT HAD A RECORD OF BEING INVOLVED IN ASSOCIATION WITH TERRORISM... |
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THE ISSUES ARE THE PEDIGREE OF THE INDIVIDUAL AT THE CONDUCT OF COMMUNICATION -- CONTENT OF COMMUNICATION.... |
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IN OTHER WORDS, SAY AN OFFICER IN THE NYPD WAS FOUND COMMUNICATING WITH THE SUBJECT OF AN INVESTIGATION... |
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I THINK THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO MOVE UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO BRING IT TO THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF... |
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I PRESUME THAT YOU WOULD WATCH THAT PERSON MORE CAREFULLY OR TAKE MORE AGGRESSIVE ACTION. |
| 02:13:29 |
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I THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS IN CONTEXT. WE LOOKED AT THE RADICALIZATION... |
| 02:13:48 |
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YOU HAVE DEVELOPED THE FOUR PHASES OF RADICALIZATION, AND TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE ABLE BASED ON THE PUBLIC... |
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ETHIC MR. JENKINS MADE A GOOD POINT THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LONE WOLF AND INDIVIDUAL ACTOR,... |
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SOMEBODY OPERATING OVER THE INTERNET, INCIDENTALLY, SOMEONE LIKE THE MAN WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT... |
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BASED ON HIS PEDIGREE, GOING BACK TO 9/11, LOOKING AT WHAT HE HAS DONE MORE RECENTLY IN TERMS OF HIS... |
| 02:16:37 |
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AND I THINK THE FACT THAT WE WILL HAVE TO GO INTO THESE FEMALES -- E-MAILS. THERE HAS BEEN SOME DESCRIPTION,... |
| 02:17:36 |
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I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THAT VIEW. WHO YOU REACH OUT TO FOR THEOLOGICAL AND DOCTRINAL QUESTIONS... |
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A FINAL QUESTION, THERE IS A QUESTION IN HIS TESTIMONY ABOUT WHETHER THE U.S. MILITARY IS DOING ENOUGH... |
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I THINK THAT WE DRAMATICALLY CHANGE SECURITY POST 9/11 FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. I AM CONFIDENT THAT THE... |
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MR. JENKINS, WE HOPE THAT ONE OF THE RESULTS OF OUR INVESTIGATION WILL BE A NEW PAMPHLET ON EXTREMIST... |
| 02:21:29 |
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I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF MILITARY SERVICE, TO BE QUITE HONEST... |
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THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, LET ME AND MY COMMENTS TODAY BY GOING BACK TO THE 9/11 COMMISSIONED'S REPORT.... |
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IT REMINDS ME VERY MUCH OF THE SILOED PERMISSION THAT WAS AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S... |
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THANK YOU, SENATOR COLLINS. AS ALWAYS IS A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU. WE ARE GOING TO CONDUCT THIS... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
