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I THINK THAT THE GOAL OF EXPANDING HEALTH CARE COVERAGE AND MAKING IT AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO DO NOT... |
| 00:02:30 |
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WITH REGARD TO THE REPUBLICAN REPUBLICAN, VERY INFORMATIVE, AS WELL AS ARTICULATE RESOLUTION, WITH... |
| 00:03:11 |
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YES, FROM THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE. [INAUDIBLE] |
| 00:03:27 |
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AND I TAKE IT THAT IS A KEY POINT BECAUSE WHEN WE DO LOWER THE COST OF THE PREMIUMS, WE'RE GOING TO... |
| 00:04:01 |
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THANK YOU, SIR. |
| 00:04:06 |
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WITH REGARD TO 3962, ON THE ISSUE OF TAXES, THERE IS A MAJOR DIFFERENCES. MAJOR DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.... |
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YES, I DID. |
| 00:04:36 |
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HOW MUCH DOES IT TAX? WHAT IS THE TOTAL TAX ABOUT AND 3962? |
| 00:04:47 |
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FIVE HUNDRED FIFTY-SIX. |
| 00:04:48 |
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MR. RANGEL, WOULD YOU MIND SPEAKING IN THE MIKE? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. |
| 00:04:55 |
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OKAY. HOW IS THAT? |
| 00:04:56 |
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BETTER. I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR ANSWER. |
| 00:05:07 |
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$556 BILLION SPENT OVER $500 BILLION? |
| 00:05:08 |
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YES. |
| 00:05:10 |
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HOW MUCH BECAUSE I FORGIVE HER REPORT, OBVIOUSLY I WOULD DO MY BEST TO HAVE STUDIED THE VERY EXTENSIVE,... |
| 00:05:44 |
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ABOUT SAME. |
| 00:05:45 |
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WE ARE UNDER $1 TRILLION. WE TRIED TO BRING SOME BALANCE IN TERMS OF TAXING AND CUTS. |
| 00:05:59 |
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SO ABOUT HALF AN HALF, ABOUT $500,000,500,000,000. TAX INCREASES AND CUTS TO MEDICARE. |
| 00:06:09 |
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WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
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SO THAT NO ONE MISUNDERSTANDS OR TALK ABOUT HER, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CUTTING PROGRAMS AND MEDICARE... |
| 00:06:20 |
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EXACTLY. THANK YOU. AS A MATTER FACT, WE ARE NOT ONLY CLEANING UP, BUT TAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT... |
| 00:06:56 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 00:07:03 |
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THINGS OF THAT NATURE. |
| 00:07:05 |
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JUST VERY BRIEFLY, IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD YOU VERY BRIEFLY. AS WE HEAR THE TALK ABOUT WASTE, FRAUD... |
| 00:08:31 |
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WE HAVE A LOT TO SAY TO OUR STAFF. WE HAVE A LOT TO SAY TO THE AGENCIES. THAT'S WHY -- |
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WHAT ABOUT THE SUPPORT WE HAD BACK IN? |
| 00:08:45 |
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THE REASON WE THINK THEY ARE RIGHT IS BECAUSE PRIVATE AGENCIES THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ANXIOUS TO... |
| 00:09:07 |
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WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH $40 BILLION. |
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NO PROBLEM. |
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WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THESE MEDICARE SAVINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT -- [INAUDIBLE] |
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YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH, WHETHER CEOS ACTOR BUT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE USING. WE ARE USING THINGS THAT... |
| 00:09:46 |
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UPCOURT. HOW MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE EXPLANATION ON THAT OF THE BILL, WHICH IS SEPARATE... |
| 00:12:27 |
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[INAUDIBLE] AMOUNTS OF MONEY -- |
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FOR EXAMPLE, IF I MAY, THE PRESIDENT'S CHIEF MEDICARE ACTUARY PREDICTS THAT AS A RESULT OF THE REDUCTIONS... |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, KEEP YOUR FAULT -- WHEN THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT... |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU TELLING ME WHY, BECAUSE WHAT I SAW THE PRESIDENT PLEDGE WAS THAT IF YOU LIKE... |
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[INAUDIBLE] -- MEDICARE ADVANTAGE IS GETTING PAID TOO MUCH BECAUSE SO MUCH OF IT IS EXTRA MONEY, 14%... |
| 00:16:52 |
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WE CAN'T HEAR YOU AND APPARENTLY NOBODY ELSE CAN HEAR YOU. |
| 00:16:56 |
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WHAT WE ARE DOING IN THIS BILL IS SITTING THIS 170 BY SAYING THAT WITH THE KEILLOR PRIVATE OR PUBLIC,... |
| 00:17:50 |
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THAT'S VERY INTERESTING AND AS YOU SALLES -- AS YOU SAW WHEN YOU VISITED DADE COUNTY, MIAMI-DADE COUNTY... |
| 00:18:42 |
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ONLY IF THEY ARE GOOD PERFORMING -- |
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OF COURSE BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WHAT I HEARD MR. TRINKLE SAY BEFORE -- WRANGLE SAY BEFORE... |
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IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET ONE ANSWER IN? [INAUDIBLE] |
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[INAUDIBLE] ALSO IN THIS, CHRIS AI WAS AMAZED WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS AND FAMILIAR... |
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I APPRECIATE THAT. |
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I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS ABOUT MEDICARE AND VANTAGE AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I... |
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I AGREE. ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT AND A BOX THE... |
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IN MICHIGAN, 300,000 SENIORS WILL LOSE THEIR MEDICARE ADVANTAGE PLANS. 81% OF THE SENIORS IN MICHIGAN... |
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[INAUDIBLE] WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE CUT IN MEDICARE -- [INAUDIBLE] AND WE HAVE SAVINGS THE DEAL... |
| 00:26:08 |
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I JUST WANTED TO SAY BRIEFLY IN RESPONSE TO WHAT MR. KEMP SAID ALL WE ARE TRYING TO DO THIS LEVELS... |
| 00:27:44 |
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WELL, THAT'S A NICE THEORY. THE PROBLEM THAT MANY OF US SEE WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE PUBLIC OPTION... |
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I RESPECT YOUR -- THE BELIEF IN YOUR THEORY. HOWEVER, WE DISAGREE. ONE OF THE MOST CONCERNING MEASURES... |
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SMALL BUSINESS ZERO. |
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THE ENTIRE PAYROLL -- WHAT'S SAY THE SMALL BUSINESS HAS EIGHT |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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WHAT I SEE IN THE LEGISLATION IS EACH WORKER'S POLICY IS GOING TO HAVE TO MEET A CERTAIN GUIDELINES.... |
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION -- [INAUDIBLE] |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? I USED TO WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR FOR 16 YEARS. I KNOW THAT IS A RARE... |
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[INAUDIBLE] -- GO AHEAD AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. I ASKED FOR A CLARIFICATION -- I DIDN'T ASK YOU... |
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WELL I'M HELPING HIM OUT BECAUSE YOU DIRECTED AT HIM. THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AVAILABLE AND THE... |
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IS THE PENALTY PAID FOR WITH THE WORKER IS PAID OR FOR THE ENTIRE PAYROLL OF THE BUSINESS? THAT'S... |
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LET ME SEE SAVE THIS -- [INAUDIBLE] MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SOME WHITE NOT ONLY THE BEGINNING BUT... |
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YOU'RE GETTING IT EXACTLY AT THE EXTENT, THE EXTENT OF THE MANDATE FROM WASHINGTON. AND THE DETAIL... |
| 00:34:50 |
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[INAUDIBLE] EVERY PACKAGE THAT'S LOOKED TO HAS TO HAVE MINIMUM BENEFIT AND THAT 8% IS WHAT IS CHARGED.... |
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SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BASICALLY EVERY EXISTING POLICY IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CHANGED. |
| 00:35:10 |
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AT SOME POINT THEY HAVE TO ME AT MINIMUM BENEFIT. |
| 00:35:15 |
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THAT CANDOR IS APPRECIATED JUST LIKE THE CHAIRMAN'S CANDOR AND WITH A 500 BILLION-DOLLAR PLUS TAX... |
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MR. KEMP WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, |
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[INAUDIBLE] OVER 90 PER CENT. PEOPLE ARE GETTING THEIR INSURANCE THROUGH THEIR EMPLOYER [INAUDIBLE]... |
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RYE QUESTION WAS A SIMPLE QUESTION. IF YOU ARE A SMALL BUSINESS AND HAVE BUT SAY 25 WORKERS AND THE... |
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I BELIEVE IT IS ON THE INDIVIDUAL WORKER. IF YOU HAVE GOT A BUSINESS THAT OFFERS A PLAN BUT ONE EMPLOYEE... |
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I WOULD LIKE THE AUTHORS TO CONFIRM. |
| 00:36:44 |
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THE WAY IT WORKS [INAUDIBLE] OR EMPLOYEES' HEALTH INSURANCE [INAUDIBLE] AND WERE JUST PAYING FOR THAT... |
| 00:37:07 |
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[INAUDIBLE] EVERYONE UNDER A PROGRAM, NOT TO HAVE DIFFERENT INSURANCE RATES. |
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I APPRECIATE MR. KEMP POINTING OUT WITH THE AUTHORS I THINK ARE TRYING TO GET OUT. |
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[INAUDIBLE] FIRST OF ALL THEY CREATE A ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND THE CHOICES WOULD BE MINIMAL... |
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WHICH WE DON'T EVEN KNOW NOW. |
| 00:37:58 |
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THAT COULD BE CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT, THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IF YOU ARE IN A PLAN WHERE IT'S... |
| 00:38:56 |
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I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THESE THINGS. THE BOTTOM LINE -- |
| 00:39:01 |
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BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THE LEGISLATION. |
| 00:39:04 |
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RIGHT NOW THE PROBLEM IS A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T GET INSURANCE THROUGH THEIR EMPLOYER. THE PEOPLE THAT... |
| 00:39:21 |
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I'M TRYING TO LEARN WHAT'S IN THE 2,000 PAGES TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. MR. KEMP, THINK YOU FOR... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SHARE. MADAME CHAIR, SURE HOW AT THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY FOR YOU ISAKSON... |
| 00:51:33 |
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LET ME JUST SAY THIS -- |
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COULD YOU SAY YES OR NO THE? |
| 00:51:39 |
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WE BELIEVE THAT HEALTH CARE IS TOO IMPORTANT TO RISK ON ONE GIGANTIC BILL AND THIS BILL ACCORDING... |
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I WILL TAKE THAT AS A NO. |
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KA WE ARE CONCERNED THE COSTS ARE GOING TO GO TO THE BUREAUCRACIES THAT ARE CREATED BY YOU -- |
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DOES YOUR SUBSTITUTE LEAVE PEOPLE UNINSURED? |
| 00:52:24 |
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WHAT WE DO IS GET ON A STEP-BY-STEP APPROACH TO COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH CARE AND WE DO THAT BY LOWERING... |
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CAHAL DOES YOUR MATTER -- HOW MANY DOES YOURS? |
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THIS BILL DOES NOT GET TO UNIVERSAL COVERAGE. IT IS A STEP BY STEP TO GET TO COMPREHENSIVE COVERAGE.... |
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HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE? |
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IT WOULD TAKE ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION. |
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LET ME ANSWER IT A DIFFERENT WAY. UNDER THE REPUBLICAN SUBSTITUTE ANYBODY, AND I MEAN ANYBODY IN ... |
| 00:53:45 |
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GENTLEMEN, I HAVE LIMITED TIME. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT YOUR SUBSTITUTE... |
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I WOULD ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO PUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY IN THE RECORD. [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]... |
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MADAME CHAIR KAYLENE WE WILL RESPOND TO WHAT SOME OF SENATOR |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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THAT IS EIGHT NO. |
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[INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] |
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THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. IN THE SPIRIT OF TRYING TO ALLOW RESPONSE TO A GENTLEMAN, MR. BARTON, DID... |
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I JUST WANT TO ASK MY FRIEND, MR. PALLONE A QUESTION IN WHAT RESPONSE TO WHAT MR. HASTINGS SAID. HE... |
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YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH ME BUT LOOK THIS IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. FIRST OF ALL THERE WERE MANY TIMES WHEN... |
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RECLAIMING TIME, I TALKED TO CHAIRMAN WAXMAN WERE CHAIRMAN WAXMAN TALK TO ME SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT HAVING... |
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I THINK IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AS MUCH AS YOU AND I AND HENRY MABEY WANTED TO KEEP MEETING THAT WE... |
| 00:58:29 |
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I WILL RECLAIM MY TIME AND APPRECIATE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMITTEE. THESE ARE SUBSTANTIVE POINTS THAT... |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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KEEFER NEVER SEEN THE ECONOMIC OUTLOOK FROM THE WHITE |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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OK THEN LET ME TRY ANOTHER WAY. THE GENTLEMAN SAYS WE ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY JOBS. WE ARE GOING... |
| 01:00:12 |
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NO COME IN ORDER TO -- [INAUDIBLE] 40 MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOOD INSURANCE WE ARE GOING TO GIVE ... |
| 01:00:22 |
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WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JOBS. |
| 01:00:28 |
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WE'VE GOT TO HAVE POSITIONS, NURSES, SPECIALISTS, SO YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE THINGS THE OTHER GROUPS... |
| 01:00:53 |
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[INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] |
| 01:01:19 |
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I ASSUME THE TAX IMPLICATIONS SAID WE HAD A HARD TIME JOKING THIS OUT TOTAL INCREASED |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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AND SO NOBODY IS GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOB OF THE 730 BILLION-DOLLAR TAX. THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, JUST... |
| 01:02:01 |
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THIS IS A JOB CREATOR -- |
| 01:02:03 |
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I WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON ANOTHER POINT -- |
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TOUCH ON THIS ONE. |
| 01:02:08 |
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OF THE PEOPLE WHO GET COVERAGE UNDER THIS BILL HAVE OF THEM ARE BECAUSE THE EXPANSION OF MEDICARE... |
| 01:02:40 |
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HOW ABOUT 460.5 BILLION? |
| 01:02:44 |
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THEY WOULD CALL THAT ONE MILLIONAIRE TAX THAT HITS SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE AS WE KNOW MANY SMALL... |
| 01:02:55 |
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IS THERE ANY ECONOMIC DATA TO SUPPORT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? |
| 01:03:02 |
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IF YOU USE THE METHODOLOGY OF DR. CHRISTINE OF ROMER WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ECONOMIC ADVISERS... |
| 01:03:21 |
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WAS THIS PART OF ANY TESTIMONY IN THE WAYS AND MEANS? |
| 01:03:27 |
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SHE DID NOT TESTIFY. |
| 01:03:30 |
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HOW ABOUT THIS VIEWPOINT? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANYBODY LOSING THEIR JOBS OVER THIS. |
| 01:03:36 |
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THIS IS A JOB CREATOR. |
| 01:03:38 |
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SO WAS THE STIMULUS. [LAUGHTER] |
| 01:03:46 |
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SO LET ME SAY THIS, THIS IS NO MORE ABOUT HEALTH CARE THAN |
| 01:03:59 |
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[INAUDIBLE] I SUPPOSE FOR A LOT OF THE INSURANCE AGENTS WE HOPE THEY COULD HORSE BE TO -- [INAUDIBLE]... |
| 01:04:20 |
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I HOPE WE ARE BOTH AROUND TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT BECAUSE I'M SURE SOMEBODY WILL LIMIT ON GEORGE... |
| 01:04:36 |
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I-90 VERY SINCERELY BECAUSE I |
| 01:04:43 |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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I HOPE YOU READ WHAT WE SAID ABOUT THE STIMULUS. MR. MILLER? MR. MILLER, YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO SAY... |
| 01:05:29 |
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I THINK A NUMBER OF OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE REPUBLICANS IN THEIR TOWN HALL MEETINGS... |
| 01:05:36 |
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WERE THOSE IDEAS? |
| 01:05:39 |
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WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN. I HAD 24 TOWN HALLS AND A NUMBER OF NEW MEMBERS PROBABLY HELD LARGER NUMBER... |
| 01:05:57 |
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I'M TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICAN IDEAS -- |
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LET ME TELL YOU THE IDEA. OKAY, SO THESE ARE FROM PEOPLE MANY OF WHOM WERE REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS.... |
| 01:06:33 |
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OKAY, SO YOU TAKE AND TAX PEOPLE 730 BILLION. YOU TAKE 250 BILLION OUT THAT IS NOT PAID FOR AND THEN... |
| 01:07:15 |
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YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT CHANGED THROUGH THE PROCESS. THIS WILL COST LESS. THERE WERE LESS TAX INCREASES... |
| 01:07:44 |
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SO IT'S NOT AS BAD AS IT'S NOT AS LARGE AS THE COST AS IT WAS BEFORE. |
| 01:07:48 |
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PASSING THIS BILL WOULD REDUCE THE DEFICIT OVER $100 BILLION MORE THAN NOT PASSING THIS BILL BEFORE... |
| 01:07:56 |
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AND THEN TAKING OUT THE TWO INJURED $43 BILLION ALSO, THAT HELPED? |
| 01:08:01 |
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WILL AGAIN, PASSING THIS BILL WOULD REDUCE THE DEFICIT BY 100 BILLION NOT PASSING THE BILL. |
| 01:08:09 |
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BUT IN JULY YOU HAD THE 243 IN THERE. YOU HAD TO GET IT SCORED, SO YOU TAKE IT OUT AND NOW YOU'VE MADE... |
| 01:08:18 |
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THE INPUT INCLUDED THE COST OF THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE BILL. I HEARD THAT, OTHER MEMBERS HEARD THAT... |
| 01:08:33 |
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MR. PALLONE, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU WOULD SEE THIS DYNAMIC MARKETPLACE WHERE CHOICES THRIVE, CHOICES... |
| 01:09:23 |
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WELL, THE REGULATIONS THAT GO INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY REFER TO THE DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES -- |
| 01:09:29 |
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THIS GRUMET RECORD LARDY AGAINST ALL TODAY? WHEN YOU SAY DISCRIMINATORY -- SO IT'S NOT AGAINST ALL... |
| 01:09:38 |
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WELL, RIGHT NOW, NOT IN MY STATE THAT MOST STATES BECAUSE THERE'S NO FEDERAL LAW WE'VE TAKEN CHARGE... |
| 01:09:51 |
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BUT THAT'S NOT AGAINST ALL? |
| 01:09:53 |
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WE WOULD MAKE IT AGAINST THE LAW. WHY DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] ... |
| 01:10:12 |
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I AM FOR DOING THINGS, TO BACK. ALL I'M TRYING TO SUGGEST IS SO, YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN AND MAKE THESE... |
| 01:10:27 |
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. BENEFIT PACKAGE IS DIFFERENT. I WAS SEEING WHAT GOES INTO... |
| 01:11:40 |
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SO NOT NEXT YEAR? |
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IMMEDIATELY YOU GO -- |
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ONLY TO DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICE. |
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THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MANDATES -- |
| 01:11:51 |
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IN I AM TALKING ABOUT THE MANDATES. I AM TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WILL JACK INSURANCE SUBSTANTIALLY.... |
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I DON'T THINK THE PRACTICES ARE GOING TO JACK INSURANCE UP. THEY ARE GOING TO EVEN THINGS OUT. |
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EVEN THEM OUT? |
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YEAH, IN OTHER WORDS WHY SHOULD THE WOMAN PAY MORE THAN A MAN? |
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WELL, WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT. WHY SHOULD YOU SMOKER PAY MORE THAN A NONSMOKER? |
| 01:12:14 |
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A WOMAN SHOULD PAY MAN A MAN? |
| 01:12:18 |
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ALL I'M TRYING TO SUGGEST IS WHERE ARE THE TABLES? |
| 01:12:23 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT ANSWER. |
| 01:12:24 |
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GOOD. GOOD. I'M GLAD WE GOT THAT. AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS A DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICE... |
| 01:12:31 |
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YES. |
| 01:12:33 |
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I THINK IT SHOULD PAID -- |
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GOOD. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ADDED IN. NEXT YEAR. |
| 01:12:41 |
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WHAT ABOUT THE ANTI-DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICE? |
| 01:12:45 |
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WOULD YOU YIELD A MINUTE? |
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EITHER IN EFFECT ON THE LATEST 2013. |
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WOULD YOU YIELD FOR A MOMENT? |
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I WOULD. |
| 01:12:54 |
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IT IS LEGAL IN SOME STATES TO CONSIDER DOMESTIC VIOLENCE A PREEXISTING CONDITION. IT IS LEGAL IN SOME... |
| 01:13:31 |
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I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE I THINK OUR BILL DOES MANY OF THE SAME THINGS. |
| 01:13:37 |
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WELL, YOU SHOULD KNOW. DOES IT? |
| 01:13:45 |
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TIMETABLES. THAT NEEDS ANTI-DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES START BEING ILLEGAL IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ENACTMENT.... |
| 01:14:03 |
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I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CHOICE ISSUE IS GOING TO COME TO PLAY. IF THEY ARE ALL ESSENTIAL? |
| 01:14:10 |
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WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T HAVE AN IDEOLOGY. YOU MAY THINK I DO, BUT I DON'T. I LOVE CAPITALISM. EVERYBODY... |
| 01:14:40 |
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BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THE SAME. |
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THEY WON'T WITH A SAME. THEY WILL HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. THEY MIGHT CHARGE MORE, PROVIDE DIFFERENT... |
| 01:14:52 |
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IN OTHER WORDS. IF YOU WANTED TO SAY THAT I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH COVERAGE OR I DIDN'T... |
| 01:15:04 |
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ALL OF THE INSURANCE OFFERED HAS TO HAVE BASIC BENEFIT, WHICH INCLUDES MENTAL HEALTH. YOU CAN MAY... |
| 01:15:17 |
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THAT'S CERTAINLY WAY DIFFERENT THAN A BASIC COVERAGE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'M GOING BACK TO THE... |
| 01:15:51 |
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MEDICARE ADVANTAGE IS ONLY ONE THING. LET ME GIVE ANOTHER ONE WHICH I'M PROUD OF. NOT THAT I WOULD... |
| 01:16:15 |
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WE ESTABLISH THE GUIDELINE? |
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NOT ME. BUT THE SECRETARY. THREE OR FOUR DAYS YOU CAME BACK AND THE REASON YOU CAME BACK IS BECAUSE... |
| 01:16:49 |
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WOULD YOU -- WOULD YOU -- WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IF I TOLD YOU THAT FROM A CBO SCORE THAT THE DEMOCRATS... |
| 01:17:23 |
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I MEAN THE INFORMATION THAT CHARLIE GAVE ME ABOUT THE SAVINGS -- |
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I'M LOOKING AT CBO. |
| 01:17:36 |
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS. |
| 01:17:39 |
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HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE TESTIMONY? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE COST ESTIMATES AS A RESULT OF THE |
| 01:17:45 |
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NO. |
| 01:17:47 |
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YOU HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THOSE? |
| 01:17:48 |
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NO. |
| 01:17:51 |
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YOU REALLY DON'T CARE, DO |
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WELL -- |
| 01:17:55 |
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I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THESE XEROXED IN. I THINK PEOPLE WHO COME HERE ARE GOING TO TRY... |
| 01:19:16 |
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I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE ONLY DEMOCRATS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS THINKING THAT ANY OF THOSE. |
| 01:19:24 |
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SO IS THE GENTLEMAN AWARE? |
| 01:19:28 |
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AND I'VE GOT THE PAGES RIGHT HERE. |
| 01:19:58 |
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I HAVE TO SHOW THAT HE STOPPED THE HOSPITAL FOR SAVINGS -- A LARGE NUMBER OF MAYBE AND SHE NEVER SAID... |
| 01:20:26 |
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BY THE SPEAKER. |
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ALL THAT YOU DO WITH MEDICAID, WITHOUT KNOWING WHICH ONES YOU HAVE WITH INSURANCE, I THINK THAT WAS... |
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SO SPEAKER DREW THE LINE. SPEAKER PUT TOGETHER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. AND DECIDED WHAT WOULD BE BEST,... |
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YES. |
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IT WAS JUST PICKING THE LINE? |
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I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE HOSPITALS ARE REPUBLICAN. |
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IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE YOU. BUT IT WAS A NONPOLITICAL WAY. MR. CAMP, HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION?... |
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WELL, ESSENTIALLY, IT'S THE MANAGERS. |
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IT IS PAGE 22, 23, 24. |
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IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL OF THE HOSPITALS ARE DEMOCRAT DISTRICTS. |
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MR. SESSIONS, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF DOCTOR-OWNED HOSPITALS AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND THIS BILL PROHIBITS... |
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BUT THAT WAS NONPOLITICAL. |
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WELL, NOW I'LL TAKE CHAIRMAN'S WORD THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT DISTRICTS. I THINK HE'S TELLING THE TRUTH... |
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I'M NOT TRYING TO SUGGEST ANYTHING ELSE. |
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IF IT WAS THE DOCTOR IN THE HOSPITALS AND THEY WERE CERTAINLY DEALING WITH MEDICAID, WITH THOSE HOSPITALS... |
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WHAT I'M SAYING, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THAT THERE ARE HUNDREDING OF THESE DOCTOR-OWNED HOSPITALS THAT ARE... |
| 01:23:15 |
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I DON'T EITHER. BUT I AM GOING TO ASK FURTHER QUESTIONS. |
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IF YOU KNOW THE TARGET, YOU CAN CRAFT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS THE TARGET AND EXCLUDES EVERYBODY ELSE.... |
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I KNOW SEVERAL IN THE TEXAS THAT ARE VERY -- |
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I WANT TO ASK THE GENTLEMAN A QUESTION. WE KNOW IT'S NOT POLITICAL. MY QUESTION TO IS YOU IF THERE... |
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I DON'T KNOW. |
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YOU DON'T KNOW? SO YOU HAVE NOT BEEN NEGOTIATING ANYTHING IN THIS BILL WITH MY MEMBER? |
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I HAVE NOT. |
| 01:24:03 |
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YOU HAVE NOT? |
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I HAVE NOT. I HAVE NEGOTIATED IN TEMPLES OF LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS. AND IN MANY CASES, ALL OF THE... |
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BUT NEVER IN EXCHANGE FOR A VOTE? |
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I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. |
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OR SUPPORT? YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT? |
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I HAVE NO CLUE OF MEMBERS WHO SERVICE THOSE THREE HOSPITALS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. THAT CLEARLY, IT... |
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DRAMATICALLY? |
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DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT. |
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OKAY. THE REASON WHY I SAY IS BECAUSE NOVEMBER 7TH NEW "NEW YORK TIMES" IN AN EFFORT TO RETRACT VOTES,... |
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YOU'VE HEARD -- I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY. BECAUSE I DID HEAR A LOT OF STORIES. AND THAT WAS ONE. ... |
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THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF DOC HASTINGS HOSPITALS IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON. |
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I'M SAYING WITH WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED TO DO, THEY DIDN'T ASK ME TO THINK ABOUT IT -- YOU KNOW, WHATEVER... |
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BUT NEVER FOR A VOTE? |
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THEN PUT THAT IN THE MANAGERS. ALL OF THEM OR NONE OF THEM. |
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IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND THE GENTLEMAN MR. CAMP OR MR. BARTON MAY KNOW THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS,... |
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IT MAY BE NO MEMBERS. |
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WELL, IT WAS A MEMBER. |
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HOW DO YOU KNOW? |
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BECAUSE IT WAS ADDED FOR A SPECIFIC REASON. |
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BECAUSE OF THE "NEW YORK TIMES". |
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NOW THE -- WE AGREE WITH THAT IT'S ACTUALLY DONE. |
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IT'S IN THE MANAGERS AMENDMENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THE RETROACTIVITY... |
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THE HOSPITALS, THOSE OF THE PAST WHICH THOSE NEW ONES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS ARE NEARLY -- |
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SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU ARE ADDRESSING IS ANYTHING AFTER JANUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR. |
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CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC? |
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WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS THAT THIS DECISION WAS MADE IN THE PREVIOUS BILL IN THE HOUSE. AND THOSE THAT... |
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I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN REASONS FOR SUPPORTING OR NOT SUPPORTING THIS COMMITTEE. IS IT... |
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THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING. |
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THAT'S WHY -- |
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AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK I TOOK IT ONE STEP FURTHER, AND SAID THAT WE REJECTED THE INCREASE IN... |
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OH, IT DOES. A MASSIVE BILL, AND NOBODY CAN GUESSTIMATE ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS. |
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I'M NOT SAYING IT HASN'T DENY DONE -- |
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IT WASN'T DONE BY THE COMMITTEE. |
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I'M NOT SAYING IT WASN'T. |
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I'M SAYING WHAT IF IT WAS. |
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WELL, I'LL CHECK WITH STAFF. |
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OKAY. |
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OKAY. YES. CBO TO MY SURPRISE SAID THEY COULDN'T GIVE AN ESTIMATE. I THINK EVEN I SENT YOU A TALK... |
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YOU CAN GO ANYTIME YOU WANT. |
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WELL, I ASSUME THAT PEOPLE DON'T -- IF THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO GO SEE DOCTORS, I DON'T THINK... |
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MR. CAMP, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THE CHAIRMAN SAY $430 BILLION WILL NOT LOSE OR IF IT DOES, JUST A MINUSCULE... |
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THIS BILL WOULD CREATE SIGNIFICANT. ALSO THIS BILL, WITH THE CBO AND THE PRESIDENT'S ACTUARY SAYS... |
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MY RESPONSE AS IT RELATES TO WHO LOSES JOBS. IF THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE EMPLOYED, AMERICAN CITIZENS... |
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ONLY FRAUD. PEOPLE WHO ASSOCIATE WITH FRAUD WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS. |
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BOTH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PROVIDING INSURANCE TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND TO MINE SHOULD BE FIRED. |
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AND HOW ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT-RUN SYSTEM THAT IS NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE? |
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OF COURSE WE SHOULD GET RID OF IT. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WAYS IN GOVERNMENT UNDER THE REPUBLICAN ... |
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DO YOU STILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? I MEAN I'M JUST SAYING THE PANEL HAS BEEN HERE FOR FOUR HOURS. |
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I WOULD ASK FOR TWO MORE MINUTES. |
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CHAIRMAN, I HOPE YOU ARE NOT SUGGESTING THAT I AM NOT KEEPING MY QUESTIONS TO THE GUTS AND HEART OF... |
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WHAT AM I SUGGESTING, WITH RESPECT, IS THAT WE'RE ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER. |
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I DON'T THINK I AM. |
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AND I WOULD JUST REMIND THE PANEL, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, THAT THIS GROUP HAS BEEN HERE FOR OVER... |
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WELL. |
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STICK TO THE POINT. I YIELD THE GENTLEMAN ANOTHER TWO MINUTES. |
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I THINK I'M STICKING TO THE POINT. THAT IS THAT I AM SHOCKED THAT THERE WAS NOT AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS... |
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I WISH YOU WOULD. |
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WE'RE GOING TO DO THE RANGEL/SESSIONS LETTER TOMORROW. |
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NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO -- |
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WILL YOU SIGN THE LETTER WITH ME? |
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I'LL HAVE TO SEE THE LETTER. |
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OKAY. I'LL GET YOU A COPY. |
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THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. |
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I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. I THANK YOU. I THANK THE TIME AND I YIELD BACK MY TIME. |
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ARE YOU STILL OVER THERE? |
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I'M STILL HERE. THANK YOU, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AND FOR ALL OF YOUR... |
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BUT I WOULD LIKE TO -- THERE'S A FEW THINGS I WANT TO ASK HERE. WHEN I GO HOME AND TALK ABOUT AND... |
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WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE SAID THAT VERY QUICKLY 86% OF SMALL BUSINESSES FROM THIS LEGISLATION,... |
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WELL, MY SMALL BUSINESSES, I'VE HAD SEVERAL SMALL BUSINESS WORKSHOPS. THEY HAVE TOLD ME HOW WE NEED... |
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THEY WILL GET ADDITIONAL TAXES TO DO THAT. |
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RIGHT. EXACTLY. EXACTLY. |
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THAT'S THE CHOICE THAT THEY MAKE. |
| 01:43:11 |
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THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MEDICARE. IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF A... |
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WELL, I THINK YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE THINGS. BUT I MEAN -- AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. BUT... |
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WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING YOUR HAND DOWN? THE HAND UP -- |
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SURE. I CAN'T EMPHASIS ENOUGH THE LAST THING THAT IS I HAVE A LOT OF DOCTORS RIGHT NOW THAT WILL TELL... |
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WELL, I'M ALSO VERY HAPPY WITH THE MEDICARE PART OF THE BILL. WE ARE MAKING SOME GOOD DELIVERY SYSTEM... |
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I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THAT YET. |
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IT'S GOING TO BE NECESSARY IN LOWERING THE COST IN THE FUTURE. YOU MENTION ACCOUNTABLE CARE ORGANIZATION.... |
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AND I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE. THE REASON I HAVEN'T MENTIONED, I KEEP FORGETTING THE PREVENTIBLE CARE, THE... |
| 01:47:34 |
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YEAH. |
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BUT I BELIEVE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRULY THAT ARE NOT SCORED. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CBO TENDS... |
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RIGHT. AND I KNOW ANOTHER GROUP SAYING THE DOCTORS FOR THE FUTURE. AND THE MEDICARE GRADUATES, MEDICAL... |
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WELL, THIS GOES BACK TO THE JOB ISSUE THAT WAS MENTIONED BETWEEN MR. SESSIONS AND MR. RANGEL. IN... |
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I'D ALSO LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS. BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY CARE... |
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YEAH, AND I WOULD POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, ONE QUESTION THAT THE REPUBLICAN IDEAS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T USUALLY... |
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MEDICAID. |
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MEDICAID, SO IT'S NOT GENERATING 80 OR 90 OR 100% FOR PRIMARY CARE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE COMMUNITY... |
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A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THE COMMUNITIES -- I THINK THEY STAND ALONE. THEY SAY KAISER IS A MAJOR PART.... |
| 01:53:38 |
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REPUBLICANS ARE BIG SUPPORTERS OF COMMUNITY-BASED HEALTH CLINICS. AND HE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO ADMIT... |
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WE'RE THINKING ABOUT RENAMES THIS COMMITTEE GUANTANAMO. |
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I THINK I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO VOTE. |
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THIS IS WORKING. |
| 01:54:00 |
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THAT'S WHERE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. BECAUSE SACRAMENTO HAS... |
| 01:55:42 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DR. FOX. |
| 01:55:45 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO MUCH TO STAY, AND SO LITTLE TIME. |
| 01:55:52 |
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BUCKLE YOUR SEAT BELTS. [LAUGHTER] |
| 01:55:56 |
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WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD START WITH THE PREMISE THAT I HAVE FELT ALL ALONG DESPITE BEING QUESTIONED... |
| 01:59:25 |
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WOULD YOU YIELD JUST FOR ONE SECOND? NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM OR SYSTEM OF... |
| 01:59:41 |
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IF YOU'D LET ME FINISH, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. |
| 01:59:45 |
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BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT SOME OTHER COUNTRIES WITH THESE SYSTEMS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT... |
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AND IF THE GENTLELADY, I THINK THEY OPERATE OFF THE WORLD HEALTH. THEY APPLY THE SAME TO ALL COUNTRIES.... |
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WELL, I'D INVITE YOU TO BRING THAT IN, SO THAT WE COULD SEE IT. I'M JUST SHARING WITH YOU WHAT I ... |
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I WOULDN'T BE. BUT IT'S TRUE. BY, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT TOO. |
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WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE A USEFUL THING TO DO. BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE GETTING... |
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I FEEL GUILTY. BECAUSE IT IS THE INCREASE. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, DR. FOXX IS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. I SURE... |
| 02:07:48 |
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ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEY GET MOST OF THEIR MONEY FROM SELLING INSURANCE AND THAT THE BILL YOU'VE WRITTEN... |
| 02:08:09 |
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I HAVE A QUESTION REALLY HOW THEY CAN EFFECTIVELY CRITIQUE HEALTH INSURANCE IN THE SAME TIME PARTICIPATE... |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN FIELD FOR JUST ONE MOMENT? I THANK MY FRIEND. LET ME SAY WHEN I HEARD THE MENTION... |
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ABSOLUTELY AND IN FACT I AM SURE THAT MY FRIEND, DR. KURTH, IS PROBABLY A MEMBER OF THE CALIFORNIA... |
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HE PROTESTED THE ENDORSEMENT? |
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HE CALLED ME TO SAY -- |
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THIS GROUP? |
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-- FROM THE MEDICAL AMERICAN ASSOCIATION. |
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THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. |
| 02:11:29 |
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I'M SORRY? |
| 02:11:31 |
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WHAT HAVE THEY DONE? |
| 02:11:33 |
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NO, THEY'VE ENDORSED -- |
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SO IN OTHER WORDS WHAT I WOULD INFER FROM THAT IS THAT HE NOT ONLY IS CARRYING HIS ALL RAGE TO THE... |
| 02:12:05 |
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YOU CAN ALWAYS DEPEND ON MY SUPPORT TO LISTEN TO THE MINORITY VOICE. I'VE LIVED THROUGH THAT SIDE.... |
| 02:12:13 |
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I DON'T KNOW BASED ON THE NODS I JUST HAD FROM DR. BURGESS FROM TEXAS AND -- [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]... |
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I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YIELDING. I'M TERRIBLY SORRY. |
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THANK YOU. |
| 02:12:33 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, ACCORDING TO THE CBO, H.R. 3962 LEAVES 6 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ON INSURED BECAUSE... |
| 02:13:06 |
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THAT TURNS OUT TO BE AN INCORRECT STATEMENT THAT CBO POST ON THEIR SITE A CORRECTION SAYING THAT THERE... |
| 02:13:28 |
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SO, CBO IS NOW BACKING OFF? |
| 02:13:29 |
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YOU CAN CHARACTERIZE IT ANY WAY THEY WANT, THEY PUT ALL THE CORRECTION. |
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IF THE GENTLELADY WOULD ALLOW ME I WILL PUT A STATEMENT INTO THE RECORD THAT EXPLAINS THAT. THANK... |
| 02:13:40 |
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THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. |
| 02:13:43 |
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LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN. SECTION 307 RELATED TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE EXCHANGE... |
| 02:14:10 |
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ANYTHING EXTENDED TO THE CHANGE OR THE PRIVATE OPTION HAS TO BE REPAID BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA IS TRANSPARENCY... |
| 02:14:35 |
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MR. KEMP, DO YOU KNOW ANY INSURANCE COMPANIES WHO HAVE A WELL THEY CAN GO TO AND PULLED MONEY TO USE... |
| 02:14:50 |
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WELL I THINK THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE CONCERN [INAUDIBLE] I SEE THEIR REAL CONCERN IS THE GOVERNMENT... |
| 02:15:43 |
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COULD I JUST -- LET ME JUST SAY THIS FIRST OF ALL, NO ONE HAS TO CHOOSE THE GOVERNMENT OPTION. THAT'S... |
| 02:16:56 |
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THE SENATE FINANCE BILL [INAUDIBLE] |
| 02:17:14 |
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LET ME PURSUE THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU IF I MIGHT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS BILL THAT... |
| 02:17:58 |
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THE BILL ISN'T IMMEDIATELY EFFECTIVE AS YOU POINTED OUT [INAUDIBLE] DELEGATIONS UNDER THEM ARE EFFECTIVE... |
| 02:18:46 |
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IF I COULD JUST ADD IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM THE TIME OF ENACTMENT UNTIL THIS HEALTH... |
| 02:19:47 |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
| 02:19:56 |
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THERE IS NO WAITLIST ON THE REPUBLICAN BILL. A SIX MONTH WAITING LIST AND THE AUTHORITY -- I READ... |
| 02:20:13 |
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DR. FOX, A CLOSER LOOK AT THE BILL WOULD SEE THAT THERE IS A SET ASIDE FOR ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY THAT... |
| 02:21:43 |
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IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS THAT WENT UNNOTICED THAT MR. KLEIN DIDN'T HAVE THE CHANCE TO RESPOND TO... |
| 02:22:03 |
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[INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS BILL RAISES TAXES. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE IMPACT... |
| 02:23:40 |
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BUSINESSES, SMALL, MEDIUM-SIZED -- |
| 02:23:44 |
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MR. MILLER, I WOULD LIKE TO RECLAIM -- MR. MILLER? |
| 02:23:47 |
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YOU REFERRED TO THE -- |
| 02:23:52 |
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NO. |
| 02:23:53 |
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-- HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS, YEARS AND YEARS. WE STILL SEEK 37 MILLION WITHOUT INSURANCE, SMALL, MEDIUM... |
| 02:24:21 |
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WHO SAID THAT? |
| 02:24:24 |
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IT'S MY TIME. BUT I WILL RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM MINNESOTA. |
| 02:24:33 |
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IF I MIGHT ENGAGE HERE FOR JUST A MINUTE SPEECH TO THE EXEMPT MANY OF THEM AND I WOULD THINK WE ARE... |
| 02:25:16 |
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MR. KEMP. [INAUDIBLE] HAVE SMALLER EMPLOYERS TERMINATE THE SAME COVERAGE AND COMPANIES WITH LOWER... |
| 02:26:00 |
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[INAUDIBLE] THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE PLAN DOESN'T HELP THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES. FIRST OF ALL RATHER THAN... |
| 02:27:18 |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
| 02:27:27 |
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WE ARE TALKING OVER EACH OTHER AND THIS IS A GREAT DEBATE FOR THE FLOOR ON THE HOUSE FLOOR TOMORROW... |
| 02:27:38 |
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I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE... |
| 02:28:32 |
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I HAVE TO YIELD BECAUSE THAT SITUATION IS BEING DISCUSSED [INAUDIBLE] |
| 02:28:41 |
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SO YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PART OF ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE GONE ON ABOUT WHY WE CAN'T HAVE A VOTE?... |
| 02:28:53 |
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I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION [INAUDIBLE] |
| 02:29:01 |
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IF I COULD -- BECAUSE WE DEBATED THIS AND ACTUALLY PUT AN AMENDMENT IN THERE THAT SAYS IF YOU BUY... |
| 02:29:54 |
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I THINK DR. BURGESS WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. |
| 02:29:56 |
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THE EVENING THAT CAME UP -- AND WAS IN THE EVENING IN LATE JULY -- INLET AN ANSWER TO ONE OF HIS OWN... |
| 02:30:29 |
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I WOULD PUT IT IN MUCH SIMPLER TERMS. THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS I THINK YOU PUT IT IN ONE POCKET AND ... |
| 02:30:40 |
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I DON'T THINK THAT IS ACCURATE BUT THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY TO DO -- ONE LAST THING IF I COULD. EVERYONE... |
| 02:31:26 |
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THE AMENDMENT THAT CAME UP AFTER THAT WHICH ORIGINALLY PASSED AND WAXMAN CHANGED HIS VOTE AS THE AMENDMENT... |
| 02:31:50 |
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I DON'T DISAGREE THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THE... |
| 02:32:24 |
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MR. PALLONE, I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. YOU SAID WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INSURANCE... |
| 02:32:59 |
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND AGAIN A LOT OF US DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE ON THIS BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS... |
| 02:33:09 |
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I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. |
| 02:33:10 |
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I AM SAYING THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND SOME DISAGREEMENT BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS NOW IT CAN'T... |
| 02:33:25 |
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SO NO PRE-EXISTING CONDITION UNDER YOUR PLAN INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO SMOKE, RIGHT? |
| 02:33:32 |
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THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. |
| 02:33:35 |
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THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE I AM REALLY CURIOUS AS TO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE FUTURE THAT I CAN'T SEE BECAUSE... |
| 02:35:09 |
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FIRST OF ALL LET ME SAY TWO THINGS. I WANT TO STRESS THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. THIS IS NOT RADICAL.... |
| 02:35:27 |
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KNOW YOUR NOSS COVERING |
| 02:35:29 |
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96%. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE TO BE IDEOLOGICALLY THERE IS NO BIG CHANGE HERE. ANOTHER WORDS ESSENTIALLY... |
| 02:37:09 |
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IF A FRAUD HAD WINGS IT WOULDN'T BE HOPPING ALONG THE GROUND. SO, YOU'VE MADE A LOT OF SUBSTANCE.... |
| 02:37:39 |
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I JUST FEEL THE PROBLEM WITH THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW IS THAT INCREASINGLY INSURANCE COMPANIES IN THE... |
| 02:38:15 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 02:38:16 |
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IF WE HAVE MORE TIME I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT THE FRAUD HAS WINGS ANALOGY. I NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE.... |
| 02:38:36 |
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IT IS A SIMPLE ANALOGY. HE SAID IF, I SAID IF A FRAUD HAD WINGS THEY WOULDN'T BE HOPPING ALONG THE... |
| 02:38:48 |
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I'M GOING TO BE EXTREMELY BRIEF IN THE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE PANEL THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THE FACT... |
| 02:40:50 |
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THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT WE DO IS MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT WHICH WE WILL IN... |
| 02:42:53 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT -- |
| 02:42:54 |
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NO, I'VE HEARD QUITE ENOUGH |
| 02:43:04 |
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[INAUDIBLE] THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS HEALTH CARE REFORM [INAUDIBLE] |
| 02:43:18 |
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MEDICAID IS AN ENTITLEMENT AND IF WE EXPAND THAT |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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BECAUSE IT IS ENTITLEMENT HALF OF YOUR EXPANSIONS -- [INAUDIBLE] |
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LET'S NOT TALK OVER EACH OTHER, PLEASE. |
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I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT A LOT BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT [INAUDIBLE] I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES BUT |
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[INAUDIBLE] LET ME FINISH MY THOUGHT WHICH IS WE BELIEVE THE FIRST STEP IS TO REDUCE COSTS FOR FAMILIES.... |
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I DO, TOO -- [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MY OWN QUESTION, THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] WITHOUT HAVING... |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN I LOOK FORWARD [INAUDIBLE] I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT MY COLLEAGUES WHO RARELY... |
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THANK YOU. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. KEMP, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. I WANT TO START OFF BY ASKING YOU... |
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I THINK MY ANSWER WAS PICKED UP -- [INAUDIBLE] |
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MY QUESTION IS DO YOU BELIEVE THE STIMULUS BILL -- |
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WE HAVE SEEN MASSIVE STOP-LOSS THIS, MANY MORE THAN PREDICTED -- |
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SO YOUR ANSWER IS NO. DO YOU THINK THE CALCULATIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS... |
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IT'S THE METHODOLOGY THAT CHRISTINA VROOM ARE USED AND WE BELIEVE THE METHODOLOGY IS -- |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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NOW WAIT A MINUTE, YOU DON'T THINK THAT IT IS WORKING? YOU DON'T THINK THE METHODOLOGY WAS FLAWED,... |
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PONDER PREDICTED JOB LOSS UNDER THE STIMULUS -- [INAUDIBLE] |
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WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. WE WILL GET BACK TO THAT. WE WILL GET TO THAT. LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THE REPUBLICAN... |
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PREEXISTING CONDITION, YES IF THEY HAVE A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION THEY ARE ABLE TO GET COVERAGE. |
| 02:48:53 |
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BUT HE WASN'T REFERRING TO A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION. HE WAS REFERRING TO ANY PERSON WHO WANTED TO... |
| 02:49:02 |
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WE BELIEVE THE BEST WAY TO REACH THE UNINSURED PARTICULARLY IN THE SMALL-BUSINESS MARKET -- |
| 02:49:14 |
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BUT YOU WOULD AGREE WITH MR. MARCHAND THAT ANY PERSON THAT WANTS INSURANCE CAN GET IT? |
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ARE YOU REFERRING TO PREEXISTING CONDITIONS? |
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NO, I'M NOT REFERRING TO PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS -- |
| 02:49:29 |
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CERTAINLY IF YOU ARE NOT AT LOW-INCOME -- |
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HOW ABOUT YOU DON'T QUALIFY FOR MEDICARE OR MEDICAID AND YOU CAN'T AFFORD INSURANCE, CAN YOU GET IT?... |
| 02:49:44 |
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CAN YOU GET IT WITHOUT SUBSIDIES IN THE BILL? THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION IF YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION --... |
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YOUR BILL HAS $605 MILLION OF TAXPAYER SUBSIDIES. WHAT OUR BILL DOES, WE DON'T SPEND THE MONEY THAT... |
| 02:50:18 |
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SO YOUR BILL ASSUMES A FEW -- IF EVERYONE CAN AFFORD INSURANCE AND IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT THAT'S YOUR... |
| 02:50:28 |
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WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY BILL -- |
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BUT BASED UPON TOMORROW OR WHEN THE BILL -- |
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WE SHARE YOUR GOAL OF UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO HEALTH INSURANCE AND HAVING EVERY AMERICAN HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE.... |
| 02:50:43 |
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WE HAVE A LOT THAT WE SHARE WHAT DOES YOUR BILL DO IT? WHEN YOUR BILL TAKES EFFECT WILL SOMEONE WHO... |
| 02:50:52 |
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100% OF AMERICANS HAVE INSURANCE UNDER EITHER OF OUR BILL -- |
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BUT 96% WILL IN THE DEMOCRATIC PROPOSAL AND SIGNIFICANTLY LESS WILL UNDER YOURS. |
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AND YOU WOULD PRIMARILY BY EXPANDING MEDICAID WHICH IS HELPING -- |
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BUT THAT'S NOT JUST THAT. IT'S NOT JUST THAT. |
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THE DO NOTHING -- |
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DO YOU GIVE TAX BREAKS TO INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT? I'M CURIOUS, DOES YOUR BILL GIVE TAX BREAKS... |
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WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD STRENGTHEN OF SAVINGS -- |
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IT DOESN'T, DOES IT? |
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WE DO -- |
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LET'S MOVE ON BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT GOING TO |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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YOU'RE NOT ANSWERING. BASICALLY YOU ARE GIVING YOU'RE TALKING POINTS, WHICH IS OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU... |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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YOU DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THEM ARE? I WANT TO MOVE BACK AGAIN TO THE FACT THAT YOU SAY THE BILL WOULD... |
| 02:52:28 |
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THAT'S PART. |
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AND WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD BE CORRECTED BASED UPON YOUR ANALYSIS THAT YOU ESTIMATE THAT IT WOULD... |
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THAT MIGHT BE ACCURATE. I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. |
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THE EMPLOYER PORTION IS ABOUT 145 -- |
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BUT YOUR ESTIMATE IS 300 BILLION. |
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THE INDIVIDUALS 33 BILLION THEN THE SMALL BUSINESS PORTION AS YOU CALL IT THE MILLIONAIRE TAX IS 460... |
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SO THE FIRST TIME I SAW THAT FIGURE OF 45 TRILLION JOBS WAS IN A COLUMN ON AUGUST 31ST BY JOHN CARTER,... |
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I HAVEN'T SEEN THE ARTICLE -- |
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BUT HE SAYS IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR OR 5 MILLION JOBS AND THAT IS WHAT YOUR ESTIMATE IS FROM YOUR COMMITTEE;... |
| 02:54:00 |
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LET ME ASK YOU CAN'T YOUR ESTIMATE IS FOUR OR 5 MILLION JOBS; IS A NOT? |
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I BELIEVE THAT USING THE METHODOLOGY BY A TOP ECONOMIC ADVISOR TO THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BILL... |
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WHO CAME UP WITH THE FIGURE? WAS THAT YOU WORK UP BY YOUR COMMITTEE? |
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YES, IT WAS ON THE BREEZE AND MEANS COMMITTEE -- |
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AND DO BASED UPON THE 300 BILLION FIGURE? |
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WELL, IT WAS BASED ON USING ALL OF THE DATA -- AND IT WAS DONE BEFORE THE FIRST BILL; WAS |
| 02:54:45 |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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IF THE ANALYSIS IS BASED ON TO ECKERT $50,000, THAN WHEN ITS DOUBLED TO 500,000 DOESN'T THAT CHANGE... |
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IT IS NOT BASED ON THAT NUMBER. WE USE THE NEW NUMBERS AND READ IN THE ANALYSIS. |
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AND YOU CAN UP WITH THE SAME FIGURE? |
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WE'VE REDID -- IT IS AN APPROXIMATION, |
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YOU APPROXIMATE WITH 250,000 THEN WITH A HIGHER FIGURE OF 500,000? YOU THINK THERE IS MORE A LOSS... |
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BECAUSE THE TOTAL TAX INCREASES ARE NOT THE SAME. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE OUR ANALYSIS WITH YOU.... |
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BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IF YOU START AT 25TH 2008 YOUR ESTIMATE IS 4.5 MILLION JOBS LOST AND... |
| 02:56:02 |
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I WOULD SAY TO THE GENTLEMAN ON A AGREE WITH YOU AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED SOMEBODY LIKE CBO WHO LOOKS... |
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I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. |
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THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE SURTAX BETWEEN THE TWO BILLS. BUT THEN THERE WERE ALSO ADDITIONAL TAX IS... |
| 02:56:54 |
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I HAVE A PROBLEM THAT IF YOU ESTIMATE ITS $300 BILLION THE CBO ESTIMATED THAT ITS 163 BILLION. ARE... |
| 02:57:07 |
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I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. |
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THAT WAS BASED ON TO HUNDRED 50,000I THINK THE CBO INDICATED |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE CBO IS SAYING IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN YOURS BUT DOESN'T THAT... |
| 02:57:32 |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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BUT BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL THE TAXES AND YOU WERE FOCUSING ON THE TAX -- THE SURTAX DOESN'T... |
| 02:58:02 |
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WHEN YOUR STAFF TO YOUR CALCULATIONS THE ESTIMATED THE TAX INCREASE SIZE AS A PERCENTAGE OF GDP, DIDN'T... |
| 02:58:47 |
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WE ARE USING THE SAME -- |
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THAT IS NOT EXACTLY TRUE. |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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I DON'T THINK THAT IS THAT THAT KNOWLEDGE. THERE WERE TWO THINGS I THINK YOU'RE SPLITTING -- WHEN... |
| 02:59:14 |
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WE HAVE ALWAYS SAID BASED UPON THE METHODOLOGY -- |
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TO ESTIMATE THE STIMULUS BILL WHICH YOU THINK IS FLAWED, RIGHT? YOU DID SAY THAT YOU THOUGHT THE ... |
| 02:59:47 |
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IT WASN'T FLAWED. THE IMPACT OF TAX POLICY ON JOBS. THAT IS WHAT SHE WAS TRYING TO DO. |
| 03:00:01 |
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BUT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT APPLES AND OR USING THE METHODOLOGY OF ORANGES. IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING ME ONE THING THAT NIXON DID GOOD. |
| 03:02:20 |
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[INAUDIBLE] ACTUALLY SHE HAD ANOTHER SAYING IT WAS USED [INAUDIBLE] |
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KHANNA I HAVE MY TIME NOW? |
| 03:02:44 |
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MR. PERLMUTTER. |
| 03:02:46 |
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CALLING STILL HERE. |
| 03:02:48 |
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ALL I APPLAUD THE PANEL, ALL OF YOU, FOR SITTING AND BEING PEPPERED WITH QUESTIONS. THIS HAS BEEN... |
| 03:08:34 |
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SO WE MOVE TO THE EXCHANGE AND THEN IT JUST ABOLISHES IT, PERIOD? |
| 03:08:43 |
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WE ABOLISH THE DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PREEXISTING CONDITIONS, THAT IS ALL I TURN NET. |
| 03:08:55 |
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WE PROVIDE GUARANTEED ISSUE AND MANDATE AND WHAT WE BELIEVE IN THE TAXES WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] BUT THEY... |
| 03:09:27 |
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I GUESS THAT IS MY QUESTION. YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT POOL, AND IN THAT POOL PREMIUMS CAN AT LEAST 150... |
| 03:09:37 |
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OUR APPROACH IS THE SAME THE FIRST SEVERAL YEARS. YOU'RE EXACTLY HAS A SIX MONTH WAIT LIST -- |
| 03:09:44 |
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OKEY BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU IS YOU HAVE A HIGH RISK POOL FOR PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS AND... |
| 03:10:01 |
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[INAUDIBLE] WE TRY TO MAKE THIS MORE AFFORDABLE. |
| 03:10:06 |
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BUT YOU STILL ALLOWED IN AFFECTED DISCRIMINATION? TEST. THE CHARGE CAN BE DIFFERENT. AND REALLY I'M... |
| 03:11:19 |
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YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BIGGER POOL OF PEOPLE SO THAT IT WORKS OUT FAIRLY FOR ALL. THAT'S WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC... |
| 03:11:28 |
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WE ALSO. |
| 03:11:29 |
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I'M NOT ASKING A QUESTION. THERE WAS NO QUESTION MARK ON THAT. |
| 03:11:35 |
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I DIDN'T COMPLETELY DESCRIBE EVERYTHING WE DO ON PREVIOUS CONDITIONS. IF YOU'RE CHANGING JOBS OR HAVE... |
| 03:11:41 |
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OKAY. |
| 03:11:45 |
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YOU HAVE SIMILAR -- YOU CAN NOT DENY YOU FOR ANY REASON. WE DO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. |
| 03:11:54 |
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UM, I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION IS ACCORDING TO ARTICLE, AND I THINK THE CBO SCORING ON BOTH BILLS --... |
| 03:12:49 |
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I DON'T WANT TO KEEP BEING REPETITIVE HERE. LET ME JUST PUT IT THIS WAY, WE THINK THIS IS THE STEP... |
| 03:13:15 |
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AND I APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD -- YOU THINK OF IT AS A FIRST STEP. YOU KNOW, MORTON... |
| 03:14:01 |
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I THINK EVERYBODY HAS HAD A FAIR GAME BY MORTON OVERS YEARS. |
| 03:14:06 |
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LAST COUPLE OF THINGS, "USA TODAY" WAS EQUALLY TOUGH. AND THEY SAID THERE AREN'T MANY ADVANTAGES TO... |
| 03:15:10 |
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WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE SINCE MAY. YOU KNOW FROM THE DISTANCE THAT... |
| 03:15:53 |
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AND THEN, I GUESS, THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY AND MR. SESSIONS IS -- HE HAS LEFT. IN CONNECTION... |
| 03:16:35 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK THE PANEL FOR ALL OF THE HOURS THEY'VE ALREADY PUT IN WITH US.... |
| 03:21:15 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
| 03:21:17 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW EVERYBODY HERE IS HAPPY THAT THE LAST MEMBER OF THE... |
| 03:26:22 |
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WE DON'T RAISE TAXES. AND WE DON'T SPENT -- MAJOR ON THE LEGISLATION. AND THAT'S ABOUT $54 BILLION.... |
| 03:26:34 |
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HOW DOES THAT SAVE THE GOVERNMENT MONEY? I MEAN BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE.... |
| 03:26:44 |
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THAT IS ONLY THE SAVINGS THAT WOULD OCCUR ON MEDICARE IF YOU ADDED IN PRIVATE INSURANCE, CBO SAYS... |
| 03:27:00 |
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MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU IS -- THIS IS A SIMPLE YES OR NO QUESTION. IF YOU INDULGE, IF YOU WANT TO... |
| 03:27:24 |
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OKAY. BECAUSE I HAVE A ESTIMATE. SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE ESTABLISHING IT'S INCORRECT. IT SHOWS THE NUMBER... |
| 03:27:34 |
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THE ANSWER IS NO. |
| 03:27:37 |
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THE QUESTION WAS NUMBER OF UNINSURED PEOPLE. THE NUMBER OF UNINSURED PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY, WOULD... |
| 03:27:45 |
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NOT IF THE COUNTRY DOESN'T GROW. |
| 03:27:47 |
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DO YOU EXPECT THE COUNTRY TO GROW IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS? WELL, I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION,... |
| 03:28:16 |
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THIS IS IN EFFECT THERE BECAUSE OF THE BILLS AND THE FACT THAT IT TERMINATES AFTER FIVE YEARS AND... |
| 03:28:29 |
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THANK YOU. NEXT QUESTION IS FOR ONE OF OUR CHAIR PEOPLE, IT PROBABLY FALLS UNDER MR. MILLER PERHAPS.... |
| 03:29:28 |
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THE ANTS IS CLEARLY YES. -- THE ANSWER IS CLEARLY YES. THE ONLY REASON THAT WE HAVE THE UNDOCUMENTED... |
| 03:30:09 |
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NOW, TO BE CLEAR, THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN ANY SUBSIDIES |
| 03:30:14 |
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THAT IS CORRECT. |
| 03:30:17 |
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TO BE EQUALLY CLEAR UNDER THE HOUSE BILL, THEY WITH THEIR OWN MONEY CAN BUY INSURANCE. WE HAVE SEVERAL... |
| 03:31:03 |
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YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. |
| 03:31:06 |
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THANK YOU. AGAIN, I WANT TO APPLAUD THE WORK. I HAPPEN TO SERVE ON ONE THE COMMITTEE. WE MET UNTIL... |
| 03:31:49 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK WE HAVE SET THE RECORD. THIS IS THE LONGEST PANEL. OVER SIX HOURS. WE... |
| 03:33:17 |
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I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN OR NOT. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE? MR. DIEHL, MR. AL DON, MR. BURGESS, MS.... |
| 03:34:13 |
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NO, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE -- |
| 03:34:16 |
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THE MINORITY AND THE UNDERLYING IS NOT RELEVANT. Q. OKAY. I AM JUST CURIOUS. YOU'VE BEEN HERE THE... |
| 03:34:29 |
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THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS THAT I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH. THE FIRST... |
| 03:37:58 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 03:38:04 |
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MR. WALDON. |
| 03:38:08 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE HE BEGINS, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME HIM BACK AS THE ONLY MEMBER OF CONGRESS THAT... |
| 03:38:16 |
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YOU MAY WANT TO CLEAR THE |
| 03:38:18 |
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WE'RE -- [LAUGHTER] |
| 03:38:22 |
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WE'RE -- |
| 03:38:24 |
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WE'RE FLOOR MATES. AND I HAVE MANAGED TO SURVIVE. BUT IT DOES HEIGHTEN OUR CONCERNS. AND I'M GLAD... |
| 03:39:01 |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR WELL WISHES WHEN I WAS SICK. AND THOSE MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL. IT'S NOT A BUG YOU... |
| 03:42:00 |
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YES. |
| 03:42:02 |
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THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS THE OTHER ONE THAT WAS ADOPTED, AGAIN BY VOICE VOTE, WITHOUT OPPOSITION,... |
| 03:44:31 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND SEVERAL AMOUNTS, I'LL GO THROUGH THE ONE BY ONE. THE FIRST AMENDMENT... |
| 03:53:55 |
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HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE? |
| 03:53:58 |
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EIGHT. THE NEXT WOULD REQUIRE MEDICARE PAYMENTS TO BE 25% WHAT WOULD BE STANDARD IN THE GOVERNMENT... |
| 04:01:12 |
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YOU ARE A LOT OF STAMINA. BUT I HAVE MORE. |
| 04:01:15 |
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NOW WE HEARD EARLIER, WE TALKED ABOUT SETTING UP THE PUBLIC PLAN ABOUT THE CAPITAL RESERVES THAT WOULD... |
| 04:04:16 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR. BURGESS. BEFORE WE PROCEED, CONGRESSMAN DIEHL WAS HERE EARLIER AND LEFT.... |
| 04:04:46 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURTESY TONIGHT. I HAVE SIX AMENDMENTS. I WILL SPEAK... |
| 04:12:30 |
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DO YOU HAVE AMENDMENTS DR. GINGREY? [INAUDIBLE] MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO TESTIFY AND BASICALLY... |
| 04:13:00 |
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I AM SORRY I ASKED. [LAUGHTER] |
| 04:13:04 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN-- |
| 04:13:06 |
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PROCEED. |
| 04:13:08 |
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DURING THE COMMISSION OF H.R. 3220 REPUBLICAN MEMBERS-- ONLY FIVE OR INCLUDED AS PART OF THE H.R.... |
| 04:17:37 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 04:17:41 |
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THANK YOU GERMAN HASTINGS. AND THE INTEREST OF TIME WITH THE HOPE THAT YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO STAY UP... |
| 04:17:56 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. [LAUGHTER] |
| 04:18:01 |
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THIS AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, VERY SIMILAR TO MR. GINGREY FIRST AMENDMENT, REQUIRE... |
| 04:21:03 |
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THANK YOU MR. MCCAIN. I WILL BEGIN BY JUST MAKING A VERY BRIEF STATEMENT TO MR. BALDWIN AND THAT IS... |
| 04:21:48 |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND LET ME BEGIN BY EXPRESSING MY APPRECIATION TO MS. BLACKBURN AND MR. BURGESS,... |
| 04:24:10 |
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REAL GLUTENS FOR PUNISHMENT. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK. |
| 04:24:16 |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I WAS ON THE BENCH ALONG THE SAME TIME AS JUDGE SESSIONS AND IT IS JUST A... |
| 04:24:50 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO RECOGNIZE THE COMMERCE COMMITTEE THAT THIS BILL ALSO CONTAINS WITHIN IT WORDS... |
| 04:27:10 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. SESSIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO-- IT IS WISHFUL THINKING LATE AT NIGHT BUT IT MIGHT... |
| 04:28:36 |
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MANDATES HAVE NO PLACE IN A FREE SOCIETY AND THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF MY BIG STRUGGLES WITH THIS. AS MUCH... |
| 04:29:36 |
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JUST ADD A BRIEF COMMENT ABOUT THE TAXES AND PENALTIES OR PUNISHMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED MR. SESSIONS,... |
| 04:30:20 |
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MR. SESSIONS IF I MIGHT ADD, MY WIFE AND I FOR OVER 21 YEARS FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. WE PROVIDED... |
| 04:32:19 |
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I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I WILL TELL YOU ONE OF THE SAD PARTS ABOUT THIS-- IS THE UNINTENDED... |
| 04:33:24 |
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I THANK MY FRIEND FOR YIELDING AND I HAVE TO SAY, AS THEY SIT HERE AND LOOK AT DOCTORS BURGESS AND... |
| 04:34:29 |
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IN FACT THAT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE AT THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION THIS WEEK AT THE MEETING IN HOUSTON.... |
| 04:35:25 |
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I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND I WILL TELL YOU IT CANNOT BE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, THAT IF YOU... |
| 04:36:26 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. SESSIONS. MR. CARDOZO. |
| 04:36:31 |
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THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] MR. MCKEON UND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE A MANDATING COVERAGE-- [INAUDIBLE]... |
| 04:36:50 |
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WHAT DID I SAY AGAIN? |
| 04:36:51 |
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IN YOUR TESTIMONY YOU SAID YOU WERE MANDATING, WE WERE GOING TO REQUIRE CONGRESS TO HAVE THE SAME... |
| 04:37:10 |
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WHAT THAT MEANT TO SAY-- THE BILL SAYS THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS MAY APPLY FOR THE SAME -- ASKING ALL... |
| 04:37:32 |
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THAT IS THE POINT. [INAUDIBLE] I AM HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET PAST THAT. [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T THINK WE... |
| 04:39:01 |
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I HAVE NOT READ IT ANY-- EVERY WORD IN THOSE 2,000 PAGES BUT I DID GO FOR IN-- THROUGH THE FIRST BILL... |
| 04:40:36 |
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THANK YOU. I STRONGLY AGREE. |
| 04:40:47 |
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THANK YOU. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SECRETARY SEBELIUS, AND I'M GOING TO WORK ON IT. |
| 04:41:00 |
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I APPRECIATE THAT. |
| 04:41:02 |
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IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS ON MY MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD. |
| 04:41:18 |
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THANK YOU. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO ME. |
| 04:41:23 |
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THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS, AND AGAIN IT IS ONE OF THESE THAT SEEMS TO BE WITHOUT... |
| 04:41:41 |
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I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW DO YOU DETERMENT WHO IS IN A RURAL AREA? I HAVE NOT REVIEWED EVERY ASPECT ... |
| 04:42:15 |
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MR. CARDOZO IF I MIGHT RESPOND MR. CHAIRMAN. RURAL IS THE DEFINITION USED BY THE CENSUS BUREAU, AND... |
| 04:42:24 |
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DOES THAT MEAN YOU LIVE IN IT, YOU WORK IN IT, YOU PASS THROUGH IT ONCE? PX'S THOUGHT LESS THAN 25%... |
| 04:43:00 |
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I HAVE A PROBLEM ABOUT CONSTRUCTS. WE HAD AN ALLERGIST THAT WOULD COME INTO TOWN ONCE A MONTH AND... |
| 04:43:36 |
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AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND THE COMMITTEE. I WOULD SAY... |
| 04:44:36 |
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THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPT-- ONSET. |
| 04:44:39 |
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AND IS HE NESTER ON MEDPAC THAT IS THE OTHER ISSUE THAT IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT IS THE COMMITTEE... |
| 04:47:16 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 04:47:18 |
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I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. |
| 04:47:26 |
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I THINK THERE'S SOME CONCERN. |
| 04:47:28 |
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I THANK MY FRIEND FOR YIELDING. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, I KNOW THE NUMBER IS $54 BILLION THAT WE... |
| 04:47:40 |
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I HEARD FIVE. |
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54TH THE NUMBER THAT I SAW FROM THE CBO ON THAT. IF WE TAKE THE CALIFORNIA MODEL AND UTILIZE THAT... |
| 04:47:58 |
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I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE KIND OF DOLLARS WE ARE SAVING. |
| 04:48:05 |
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THAT IS IF IT WERE NATIONAL. |
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FOR EXAMPLE-- [INAUDIBLE] MY LAST POINT IS ON THE RHETORIC. WE SHOULD NOT-- AND MR. SESSIONS AND I... |
| 04:50:55 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN MAY I RESPOND BRIEFLY? VERY BRIEFLY OF THE WOULD. |
| 04:51:00 |
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AS YOU KNOW TWO OF MY SEVEN AMENDMENTS PERTAIN TO THE ISSUE OF MEDICAL LIABILITY REFORM AND YOU SAID... |
| 04:51:55 |
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WITH I.T. SHAHZAMAN YIELD BRIEFLY? |
| 04:51:56 |
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I THANK MY FRIEND AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISTRESS THIS EVENING THAT FOR ME--... |
| 04:52:13 |
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BEFORE DR. FOXX AND MR. POLIS, THIS COMMITTEE IS ONE OF THE FEW COMMITTEES THAT DOESN'T HAVE TIME... |
| 04:52:51 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN WE ARE EXPLORING A LOT OF NEW TERRITORY ONE. WHY I THINK A LOT OF VERY CREATIVE PROPOSALS... |
| 04:53:03 |
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I AGREE WITH THAT. AND YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CREATIVE THINGS AN BEAD SUCCINCT AS WELL. [INAUDIBLE] VETERANS... |
| 04:54:02 |
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AGAIN,. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] THE BUYER AMENDMENTS AND WAS ACCEPTED BUT WHEN YOU PUT THE THREE BILLS... |
| 04:55:14 |
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WE HAVE A PATTERN HERE TONIGHT OF THE AMENDMENTS BEING ACCEPTED IN COMMITTEE AND THEN SUDDENLY DISAPPEARING... |
| 04:56:25 |
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AND I WILL TRY TO KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF MR. CHAIRMAN BUT THAT IS THE FRUSTRATION. IN THE POLICY COMMITTEE... |
| 04:58:00 |
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SINCE BEING HERE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS I HAVE WORKED HARD AT TRYING TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE AT CMS IN... |
| 04:59:09 |
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DR. FOXX ON THE RURAL HEALTH INTERPEACE CONGRESSMAN POMEROY IT DEMOCRAT FROM NORTH DAKOTA AND I COCHAIRED... |
| 04:59:35 |
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I DON'T THINK IT IS A PARTISAN ISSUE AT ALL. |
| 04:59:38 |
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I DON'T EITHER. IT IS A PARTISAN ISSUE. THE HOME HEALTH CARE ASSOCIATION, THE WORK I DID TO TRY TO... |
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THANK YOU. |
| 05:00:25 |
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MR. PRO-MOTHER. PARAL MOTHER. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] |
| 05:02:01 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? I KNOW ABOUT MANDATORY CAR INSURANCE BUT YOU ARE MANDATED TO TAKE THE COLLUSION.... |
| 05:02:17 |
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YOU ARE RIGHT. IT IS STILL MANDATORY INSURANCE BUT IT ISN'T LIKE IT IS-- |
| 05:02:23 |
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THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE HE MIGHT DO TO SOMEBODY ELSE. WE ARE EVIN MANDATED TO HAVE THE OUT OF... |
| 05:02:44 |
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I WILL TAKE MY TIME BACK. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] |
| 05:03:19 |
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MR. PERLMUTTER. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS AND HERE SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO PROVIDE... |
| 05:05:14 |
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IT IS THE SAME THING. LET ME TELL YOU WHY. AT FAE NOT TO BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT, TO TAKE UP THE... |
| 05:05:35 |
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YOU AND I WILL END UP DEBATING THAT. |
| 05:05:38 |
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IF I DON'T PAY FOR THE SAME REASON I DON'T GET THE INSURANCE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT.... |
| 05:05:44 |
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THAT IS WHY I SAID IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THEY ARE ALL SORTS OF EXEMPTIONS. |
| 05:05:55 |
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THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS BILL. DON'T PUT THEM IN PRISON. |
| 05:06:11 |
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COME ON, GENTLEMEN, ENOUGH ALREADY. |
| 05:06:14 |
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A BRIEF COMMENT ON THAT. |
| 05:06:16 |
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I DISCUSSED THAT A LITTLE EARLIER BUT HE MADE THE COMPARISON BETWEEN MANDATORY AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE... |
| 05:07:11 |
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I WOULD ASK MY FRIEND FROM TEXAS, WHERE-- |
| 05:07:23 |
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IT IS SECTION 7203 AND SECTION 7201. I WILL YIELD BACK TO YOU. |
| 05:07:38 |
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I THINK THAT IS A WONDERFUL IDEA. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. [LAUGHTER] |
| 05:07:46 |
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THESE HEARINGS ARE ABOUT PEOPLE, TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND MORE AND TO COMMUNICATE ABOUT THE BILL AND... |
| 05:08:22 |
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MR. SESSIONS I THINK WE HAVE BEEN VERY GENEROUS WITH TIME. WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE YESTERDAY AND OUR... |
| 05:08:35 |
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WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IF I MAY, NO COMMITTEE IN THE CONGRESS, NO COMMITTEE AND THE CONGRESS HAS HAD... |
| 05:08:48 |
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IT HAS BEEN ON THE INTERNET FOR DAYS, MAYBE WEEKS. |
| 05:08:53 |
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THE INTERNET IS NOT-- |
| 05:08:56 |
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ISN'T THAT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTED? |
| 05:08:57 |
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I THINK WHAT YOU PROMISED US WAS REGULAR ORDER AND TO HAVE THIS MEASURE THAT WAS INTRODUCED ONE WEEK... |
| 05:09:31 |
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MR. DREIER, IT WILL NEVER BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS COMMITTEE BUT WE ARE GOING THROUGH A GREAT... |
| 05:09:45 |
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MAY I MAKE AN OBSERVATION, THAT THE DISTINCTIONS THAT EXISTS BETWEEN 323962 MAKANDA MANAGERS ARG DE... |
| 05:11:21 |
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BUT IT WAS THE NEWS. IT WAS HALF OF THE SIZE OF THIS. SO NO -- NONE OF THE JURISDICTIONS HAVE ACTUALLY... |
| 05:11:59 |
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MR. McKEON, YOU SAID EARLIER THAT YOU DIDN'T READ THE 2,000 PAGES. NOW YOU -- |
| 05:12:10 |
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I SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT I SAID WAS -- I'M SORRY I DID NOT -- I DID SAY THAT I WENT THROUGH IT VERY... |
| 05:12:19 |
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THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WHAT WE ARE HERE ABOUT TONIGHT. 3962. AND I'LL MAKE THE AGREEMENT AND... |
| 05:13:20 |
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SO 1,000 PAGES IS NOT SAYING MUCH. |
| 05:13:23 |
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YOU SPENT 47 PAGES THAT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. |
| 05:13:29 |
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DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? |
| 05:13:32 |
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NO. |
| 05:13:35 |
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THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIR. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE MR. MR. McKEON AND MS. BLACKBURN. WITH REGARD TO... |
| 05:14:28 |
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WOULD YOU PLEASE TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE? |
| 05:14:31 |
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THANK YOU. I FORGET. |
| 05:14:34 |
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PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR. AND THEY WANT THE BENEFIT OF THIS MEETING. |
| 05:14:38 |
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FOXX. AND MADAME CHAIRMAN, IF THE GENTLEMAN WILL PERMIT ME TO SPEAK TO... |
| 05:14:48 |
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THAT'S FINE. |
| 05:14:50 |
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I FEEL SO AWKWARD IN DOING THAT. BUT AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE TIN CARE PLAN AND MY AMENDMENT THAT WOULD... |
| 05:16:46 |
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THANK YOU. AND AGREE I APPRECIATE WHERE ARE EFFORTS. THE UNFUNDED MANDATE ISSUE IS CLEARLY NOT A DEMOCRATIC... |
| 05:18:27 |
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I -- |
| 05:18:28 |
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OKAY. IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT. |
| 05:18:33 |
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WE HAVE -- |
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YEAH. I THINK YOU AND I AGREE. I MADE THIS CLEAR AGAIN WHEN I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION. THERE ARE... |
| 05:19:37 |
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SORRY? |
| 05:19:40 |
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I ALREADY GAVE YOU MY ANSWER. WE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM. I THINK WE COULD FIND THEM ALL ALONG, AND SEND... |
| 05:19:53 |
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YUP. |
| 05:19:58 |
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AND IF WE CAN COME AND THAT'S 2000 AND TOTALLY CHANGE THE WHOLE WAY WE GO 16% OR 18% OF OUR NATURALLY... |
| 05:20:43 |
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I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOU. THIS IS NOT A IMMIGRATION BILL. I AGREE WITH YOU. I SHARE YOUR OPTIMISM... |
| 05:21:01 |
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WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. |
| 05:21:04 |
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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION HERE. THERE WAS A CLAIM THAT THE VETERANS AMENDMENT TO REMOVE... |
| 05:22:08 |
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MADAME CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK BEFORE THE PANEL LEAVES WITH THE EXCHANGE THAT WE HAD... |
| 05:24:06 |
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THANK YOU, GENTLEMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'LL CALL MR. JOHNSON. YOU'VE BEEN HERE SINCE DAY ... |
| 05:24:42 |
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WE DIDN'T NOTICE IT THERE. THEY NOTICE IT WHEN WE SNEAK OUT. |
| 05:24:48 |
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OKAY. MR. POLISH, WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT OUTSIDE? |
| 05:24:58 |
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MADAME CHAIR, I'M SORRY I FAILED TO RECOGNIZE DR. CAGAN. HE WAS HIDING BEHIND. I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED.... |
| 05:25:07 |
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IT WAS HIS FAULT. |
| 05:25:13 |
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AND DR. ROE AND DR. BURGESS. |
| 05:25:16 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. BRADY? YES. I NEED TO REMIND ALL OF YOU PLEASE TO PULL THE MICROPHONES UP... |
| 05:25:34 |
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THANK YOU, MA'AM. CHAIRWOMAN, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, I'VE INTRODUCED 10 AMENDMENTS,... |
| 05:28:56 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 05:28:57 |
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I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I MUST SAY AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING AS IF I'M PANDERING, I HAVE NEWFOUND... |
| 05:35:42 |
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YOU LOOK A LITTLE IMPISH. I THINK THEY KNOW THAT STORY. WE'LL FIND THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I... |
| 05:35:50 |
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THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIRMAN. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO ASK OUR GOOD REPRESENTATIVE WHAT THEY DID... |
| 05:40:43 |
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WELL, I HAVE TO PERFECTLY HONEST. IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS PAYING YOUR TAXES, THAT'S AN ISSUE. QUOTE,... |
| 05:50:57 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST A BRIEF COMMENT ON THE GENTLEMANLADY'S AMENDMENT HERE. I DIDN'T MEAN... |
| 05:54:43 |
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DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DOCTOR THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. I THINK THAT TRANSPARENCY IS AN VERY, VERY IMPORTANT... |
| 05:54:53 |
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I HAVE NO QUESTION, BUT I ALSO THANK ALL OF THE DISTINGUISHED GUEST FOR FIRST THEIR PATIENT AND THEN... |
| 05:55:15 |
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I DID PEDIATRIC. |
| 05:55:16 |
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I WAS THINKING THAT WAS CORRECT. I WAS NOT CLEAR IN MY MIND. HOW? AND I'M FOR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT... |
| 05:55:46 |
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LET ME GIVE YOU A FEW EXAMPLES. YOU ARE GOING TO BE SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT HOSPITALS ARE READY TO... |
| 05:57:14 |
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WELL, THAT'S TRUE. |
| 05:57:16 |
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WELL, THAT'S THE WRONG ANSWER. IT OUGHT TO BE WELL, HERE ARE ALL OF OUR PRICES. I THINK IT OUGHT... |
| 05:59:31 |
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WHAT'S INTERESTING IS NO SMALL BUSINESS COME TO THAT CONCLUSION. THEY CAME TO THE CONCLUSION, LET ... |
| 06:00:00 |
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TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. IN MY REGION OF GREEN BAY, A LARGE EMPLOYER SAID DON'T GIVE UP... |
| 06:00:30 |
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WELL, I WOULD HOPE THAT EVERY MEMBER OF THE BODY WHO VOTED FOR IT, THOSE THAT VOTE AGAINST IT CAN... |
| 06:00:51 |
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GOOD OLD AMERICAN ECONOMICS. |
| 06:00:53 |
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I JUST HAVE ONE BRIEF COMMENT. THE PROBLEM -- AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID. THE PROBLEM WITH... |
| 06:01:25 |
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ALL RIGHT. |
| 06:01:28 |
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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THANK YOU ALL, GENTLEMAN. YOU KNOW I'M HERE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE... |
| 06:01:52 |
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THANK YOU ALL. THE NEXT PANEL. WELL, WE'LL CALL -- YOU WANT TO COME WITH THE REST OF THE PANEL. YEAH.... |
| 06:02:27 |
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THANK YOU VERY OF, MR. CHAIRMAN. AGAIN, MANY MEMBERS HAVE SAID THAT. BUT WE DO THANK THE RULES COMMITTEE... |
| 06:06:10 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. |
| 06:06:12 |
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THANK YOU SO MUCH VERY. SO THE AMENDMENT WOULD IN ESSENCE PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A CRITERIA TO... |
| 06:11:53 |
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MR. SCULLEY -- SCALISE. |
| 06:11:54 |
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I HAVE THREE AMENDMENTS AFFECTED GO THROUGH THE THREE OF THEM. THE FIRST IS TITLED SCALISE THREE... |
| 06:14:16 |
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ARE THERE SUBSTITUTES -- |
| 06:14:17 |
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THAT AMENDMENT, I DON'T THINK THERE IS AMENDMENT IN THAT BILL. IT DOESN'T CUT MEDICARE AND IT DOESN'T... |
| 06:15:01 |
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I'M SORRY, ON [ROLLCALL] ESTERS? |
| 06:15:04 |
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IT IS A VERY BIG ISSUE ALL ALONG THE GULF COAST. I KNOW NOT ONLY LOUISIANAN BUT MISSISSIPPI, TEXAS,... |
| 06:16:47 |
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THANK YOU, MR. SCALISE. MR. ECKERT? |
| 06:16:50 |
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I AM HERE ON TWO AMENDMENTS. WHEN WE LOOK AT GREAT BRITAIN AND CANADA AND SHOW A HISTORIC TREND OF... |
| 06:21:29 |
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WHERE DO WE DRIVE AND WHERE DO WE GO? I THINK WE NEED TO PROMOTE A PATIENT CENTERED CARE REFORM IN... |
| 06:24:57 |
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WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR THE HOUSE TO DO? TO THE DATE AND MAIN POST OFFICES OF WHICH WE HAVE DEBATED... |
| 06:25:46 |
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THANK YOU, MADAME CHAIRWOMAN. THE AMENDMENT ON A PRESENT ASE FLEMING-1, A VERY SIMPLE AMENDMENT AND... |
| 06:31:37 |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL TESTIMONY. MR. KLEIN. |
| 06:31:40 |
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THANK YOU AND THANK YOU, RANKING MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY... |
| 06:36:58 |
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THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? |
| 06:37:02 |
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I WANT TO THANK ALL OF OUR COLLEAGUES FOR COMING BEFORE US. SO LATE AND WAITING SO LONG TO PROPOSE... |
| 06:38:04 |
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MR. DREIER. |
| 06:38:06 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT WE THINK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE AT THIS LATE HOUR AND AS I LISTEN TO... |
| 06:39:16 |
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IF I COULD JUST I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING BUT THE DEMOCRATIC PROPOSAL HAS BEEN CONTINUOUSLY AND... |
| 06:40:04 |
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I REALIZE THAT IN THE FOUR CORNERS OF THIS BILL IT DOESN'T SAY THAT SO AND SO MUST JOIN THE PUBLIC... |
| 06:40:15 |
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YOU ARE SUMMARIZING IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT DOES. |
| 06:40:22 |
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AS A PHYSICIAN OVER 40 YEARS AND A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER APART FROM MY PRACTICE THAT YOU CAN SEE THE... |
| 06:41:44 |
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BY THANK ALL OF THE WITNESSES, AND I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. SCALISE, MR. KIRK IF THERE ARE AMENDMENTS... |
| 06:42:00 |
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THESE AMENDMENTS? DONATO RAVIV THE FIRST AMENDMENT OUGHT TO THE TO THE OFFER WOULD REQUIRE THAT NOBODY... |
| 06:42:30 |
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IS YOUR OTHER AMENDMENT IN THE REPUBLICAN SUBSTITUTE? |
| 06:42:35 |
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I THINK MR. MCGOVERN ASKED ABOUT THE SUNSET. I SAID WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THAT IF YOU WOULD... |
| 06:42:45 |
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IN THE ABSENCE OF TIME PLEASE JUST TELL ME YES AND NO WHETHER JORDAN AMENDMENTS ARE IN THE REPUBLICAN... |
| 06:43:24 |
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I FIGURED I COULD INTERVENE -- |
| 06:43:25 |
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I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU BUT I GUESS YOU CAN INTERRUPT ME. |
| 06:43:31 |
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IT IS REGRETTABLE BUT IT WASN'T IN THE SUBSTITUTE BECAUSE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AS I DID TO GET... |
| 06:43:46 |
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MR. SESSIONS. |
| 06:43:47 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE ARE KIND OF OR DOING ABOUT WHAT IS OR IS NOT THE BILL. LET'S MAKE SURE... |
| 06:45:40 |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 06:45:42 |
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I WOULD YIELD. |
| 06:45:44 |
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I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE STATISTICS -- |
| 06:45:46 |
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THOSE ARE FACTS. |
| 06:45:48 |
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THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE ARE LESS. IF I SPEAK TO MY PRESIDENT AT HOME I DON'T THINK THEY ARE EXCITED... |
| 06:46:22 |
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AS A MATTER OF FACT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS COST IS BIGGER THAN ALL OF THOSE WHO SPOKE ABOUT AND... |
| 06:46:39 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 06:46:41 |
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I WOULD YIELD. |
| 06:46:45 |
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I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M GLAD WAL-MART AND KOSKO -- THAT IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE. IF I COULD FINISH THEY... |
| 06:47:13 |
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I CAN'T ARGUE THAT POINT BUT I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEM THEY WOULD NOT BECAUSE... |
| 06:47:32 |
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I THANK MY FRIEND FOR YIELDING AND I KNOW IT IS VERY LATE BUT I DO THINK THAT WE OWE SOME RESPECT... |
| 06:48:34 |
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THANK YOU FOR YIELDING. IN FACT IT APPLIES TO THIS DISCUSSION THAT PRECEDED AND THAT IS WHAT THE GOVERNMENT... |
| 06:49:25 |
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IF THE QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY BEING FORCED INTO THE SYSTEM AS... |
| 06:50:23 |
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I THANK MY FRIEND FOR YIELDING. I APPRECIATE THE GENTLEMAN FOR THE RESPONSE FOR THE GENTLEMAN WHO... |
| 06:51:35 |
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IF I MIGHT I THINK AND HOPE WE COULD FIND COMMON GROUND AND IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MY PERSPECTIVE... |
| 06:52:30 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT MR. BRADY, HIS LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THIS AMENDMENT BE INCLUDED.... |
| 06:52:38 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. |
| 06:52:41 |
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AND I WOULD ASK THE GENTLEMAN PAUL SENT A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF 38 BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD. I YIELD... |
| 06:52:52 |
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MR. PERLMUTTER. |
| 06:53:04 |
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[INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] WHY WOULD THEY STOP SIMPLY BECAUSE -- [INAUDIBLE] SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE... |
| 06:54:00 |
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IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY PAY 8% AND THE EMPLOYEE GOES |
| 06:54:18 |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
| 06:54:30 |
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OF COURSE WE HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THERE BEING A NUMBER OF ESTIMATES COME IN NUMBER OF ROUTES --... |
| 06:54:39 |
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THE POINT IS YOU HAVE A SUBSIDIZED SYSTEM -- |
| 06:54:43 |
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IT'S NOT SUBSIDIZED. IF I AM EMPLOYED BY -- [INAUDIBLE] IN THE PUBLIC OPTION IN THE EXCHANGE WHO IS... |
| 06:55:10 |
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NO ONE IS BACKING IT. |
| 06:55:12 |
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IS THE GOVERNMENT NOT BACKING IT? |
| 06:55:18 |
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NO -- |
| 06:55:20 |
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IF IT LOSES MONEY YOU'RE SEEING A THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPLY -- |
| 06:55:34 |
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THIS JUST ISN'T LOGICAL. |
| 06:55:35 |
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I DISAGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN. THE LARGER A GOVERNMENT SYSTEM BECOMES A HEALTH CARE WHETHER IT IS... |
| 06:55:45 |
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IF I GO INTO EXCHANGE I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. SOME OF ITS WAY TO DRIVE THE PRICES UPWARD, NOT DOWNWARD.... |
| 06:55:59 |
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[INAUDIBLE] I THOUGHT DR. FLEMING'S EXPLANATION WAS VERY UNDERSTANDABLE AND VERY CLEAR AND MADE A... |
| 06:56:21 |
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MR. PERLMUTTER? |
| 06:56:28 |
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JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST I WANT TO THANK MY FRIEND FROM TEXAS FOR CONTINUING TO PURSUE THE... |
| 06:56:48 |
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YES, SIR. |
| 06:56:49 |
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AND HOW DID YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE, YOU'RE OWN PRACTICE COMPARED TO WHAT WE DID HERE IN THE CONGRESS?... |
| 06:56:56 |
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I WANT TO TURN THIS AROUND IF THAT'S OK THIS IS A LITTLE AWKWARD. MY OWN BUSINESS APART FROM MY PRACTICE... |
| 06:57:13 |
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IS LEAD SO I'M GOING TO CUT THROUGH THE CHASE. WE HAVE BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD FOR MY LAW FIRM. IT'S... |
| 06:57:35 |
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THAT IS CORRECT. |
| 06:57:37 |
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AS I UNDERSTAND THIS BILL WE WILL CREATE A MARKETPLACE THAT PRIVATE INSURANCE WE HOPE WILL PARTICIPATE... |
| 06:58:11 |
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MIA LEE RESPONSE? THE PRESIDENT AND MANY DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID THAT THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC OPTION... |
| 06:58:28 |
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I YIELD TO MY FRIEND BUT WE HAVE A BIG DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. |
| 06:58:33 |
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IT'S NOT THE PUBLIC OPTION THAT CREATES THE COMPETITION, IT IS THE EXCHANGE THAT CREATES THE COMPETITION.... |
| 06:58:39 |
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AND I WOULD SAY TO MY FRIEND, I BELIEVE -- I GUESS I THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU. I THINK THE PRIVATE... |
| 06:59:28 |
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I WOULD SAY I KNOW OF NO SUCCESSFUL MODEL WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GOES IN WITH ITS ABILITY TO... |
| 06:59:50 |
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I JUST FOUGHT WITH UPS, FEDERAL EXPRESS -- I THINK THAT HAS BEEN TO THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. IT'S... |
| 07:00:34 |
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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE KNOWN TO ALL OF US BECAUSE OF THE RATIOS OF THE LEGISLATION THE YOUNGER... |
| 07:00:58 |
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YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. |
| 07:01:01 |
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UNLESS THE 27 YEAR OLD HAS EPILEPSY -- |
| 07:01:04 |
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NO IT WOULDN'T, IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS ABOUT YOUR BILL IF YOU DON'T. |
| 07:01:12 |
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27-YEAR-OLD FEMALE WITH A EPILEPSY IS GOING TO PAY MORE UNDER THIS BILL WHEN YOU ABOLISH DISCRIMINATION... |
| 07:01:22 |
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HOUSE TO UNDER THIS LEGISLATION BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING IT FROM A 16-1 RATIO FROM A2-1 RATIO. IF YOU... |
| 07:01:38 |
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LOOK AT SECTION 211, WHICH MAKES IT NO EXCLUSIONS, NO DISCRIMINATION BASED ON PRIOR |
| 07:01:46 |
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RIGHT. |
| 07:01:47 |
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SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT SHE'S GOING TO END UP PAYING MORE THAN SHE PAYS TODAY WHERE |
| 07:01:56 |
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ABSOLUTELY -- |
| 07:01:58 |
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YOU AND I -- |
| 07:02:01 |
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IT'S ACTUALLY A MATHEMATICAL CERTAINTY AND TO HAVE TO KNOW THIS AND ALL OF YOUR OTHER -- IF YOU DON'T... |
| 07:02:11 |
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TELL ME WHAT IT IS TODAY AND WHAT WOULD BE TO MAURO -- |
| 07:02:14 |
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LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION, WHAT IS THE RATIO IN THIS BILL AND WHAT IS IT IN THE BACHUS BILL? |
| 07:02:20 |
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I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY THE GEARING RATIO. I KNOW WHAT THE DOLLARS ARE.... |
| 07:02:29 |
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IT'S 2-1 AND 5-1. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW OR OWNER BILL WORKS |
| 07:02:37 |
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I KNOW IT ON A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR BASIS. ON THE DOLLAR BASIS SHE'S GOING TO PAY LESS WHEN THERE IS NO... |
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I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO TO YOUR STAFF AND ASK ABOUT THIS CONCEPT SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE BACHUS... |
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I DON'T CARE ABOUT BETWEEN BACHUS AND THIS BILL, I CARE ABOUT THE BILL AND TODAY, THE SYSTEM TODAY,... |
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AND IT MUST CHARGE HURT EVEN MORE UNDER THE HOUSE BILL. IT CHARGES HURT SLIGHTLY LESS UNDER THE SENATE.... |
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[INAUDIBLE] FOR SOMEBODY WHO PRACTICES, THAT'S FOR ANY TAX WHERE THERE IS A FUSION, WILLFUL TAX EVASION,... |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
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YIELD FIRST TO MIKE FRIEND |
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[INAUDIBLE] OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SENATOR SESSIONS EXAMPLE [INAUDIBLE] |
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I SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE CIRCUMSTANCES I COULDN'T ENVISION IT AND UNDERSTAND WHERE I WOULD HAVE... |
| 07:06:00 |
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WILL THE GENTLEMAN YIELD FOR A SECOND? [INAUDIBLE] |
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ALL THAT WOULD OCCUR IS YOU HAVE TO PAY AN ADDITIONAL 2.5% INCOME TAX AND YES IF YOU DON'T PAY ANY... |
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I'M JUST SAYING IF I WILLFULLY CHOOSE NOT TO PAY THE 2% TAX -- |
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ALL OF YOUR INCOME TAX -- |
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NO -- |
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LISTENED -- OKAY -- IF YOU DON'T GET THE INSURANCE FOR YOUR CHILD -- |
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ONE AT A TIME -- EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, ONE AT A TIME A. THE PERSON WHO'S TRANSCRIBING THIS CAN'T --... |
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IT'S GETTING VERY LATE AND -- |
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IT'S NOT TOO LATE -- |
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EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME! |
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I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU GAVE IT TO ME. |
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-- THAT'S WHAT THIS PENALTY WERE TALKING ABOUT IS. THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS UNDER THE BILL DOES IS WRITTEN.... |
| 07:07:11 |
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TO BE BRIEF WITH REGARDS TO SOME COMMENTS BY DR. FLEMING I WANTED TO CLARIFY. I WAS IN BUSINESS BEFORE... |
| 07:08:34 |
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR CLARIFYING THAT. WELL YOU KNOW, TODAY AMONG THE SMALL BUSINESS IS STILL ABOUT... |
| 07:09:03 |
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RIGHT NOW THEY PAY 0% PENALTY FOR NOT COVERING EMPLOYEES -- EVEN IF IT WAS 1% RATHER THAN 8%, THE... |
| 07:09:23 |
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I'M TALKING 8%. I WOULD BE FINE WITH 6%, WHATEVER IT IS -- |
| 07:09:28 |
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AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON EMPLOYMENT? IF YOU ADD 8% OF PAYROLL COST A COMPANY, YOU... |
| 07:09:39 |
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IN THE INDUSTRIES ON WAS IN IT WAS A NORM TO COVER EMPLOYEES, OTHER INDUSTRIES IT'S NOT AND ONE OF... |
| 07:10:01 |
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AGAIN, I JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY IN THE WORLD THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WOULD WANT TO... |
| 07:11:34 |
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ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. PHIL IS GOING TO BE THE LEADOFF HERE? STUPACK. |
| 07:11:43 |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR COURAGE AND COMMITMENT IN SITTING... |
| 07:19:05 |
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I JOIN MY COLLEAGUE FROM MICHIGAN TO REQUEST-- THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ONE AMERICANS WHO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY... |
| 07:22:00 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN WITH YOUR PERMISSION MR. LIPINSKI HAS ALSO JOINED US. HE IS A CO-SPONSOR AND HAS WORKED... |
| 07:22:09 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE FOR YOUR INSURANCE AND I AM VERY PLEASED... |
| 07:23:45 |
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MR. SMITH I WANT TO REPEAT WHAT MY DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID AND THEY HAVE SAID SO ELOQUENTLY... |
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DON'T BE INTIMIDATED. [LAUGHTER] |
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I WANT TO THANK THE CHAIRMAN. [INAUDIBLE] I DO BELIEVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS BILL, H.R. 3062 IS... |
| 07:29:38 |
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MS. LIPINSKI. [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] |
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IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE SPEAKER AND THE LEADERSHIP AND YOU HAVE COME TO SOME... |
| 07:30:52 |
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THEY HAVE AFFORDABILITY CREDITS BUT IT DOESN'T PAY FOR THE ENTIRE, THEY PAY FOR SOME OF IT OUT OF... |
| 07:31:34 |
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THE POLICY HAS ALREADY-- ALWAYS BEEN IN THIS COUNTRY-- [INAUDIBLE] |
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I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET THAT IS, NOT ALL THE MONEY THAT GOES INTO THE PUBLIC... |
| 07:33:44 |
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BUT THE PUBLIC OPTION IS DIFFERENT THAN MEDICAID, AND THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO PURCHASE SUPPLEMENTAL... |
| 07:34:02 |
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YOU MAY PURCHASE SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE, BUT NO FEDERAL FUNDS. WE MAINTAIN THE CURRENT LAW. |
| 07:34:11 |
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AGAIN THE DIFFERENCES I'M MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN MEDICAID AND THE PUBLIC OPTION IN MAKING THE... |
| 07:34:34 |
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I THINK WITH THE PUBLIC OPTION AND WITH THE AFFORDABILITY CREDITS, FAMILIES, WOMEN AND MEN ACROSS... |
| 07:35:17 |
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I YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN. |
| 07:35:19 |
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SHE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO HER MOTHER AND ASKED HER MOTHER TO BUY A WRITER? FOR THE NECESSARY INSURANCE?... |
| 07:35:29 |
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I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE FAMILY SITUATION. |
| 07:35:31 |
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THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. ALL OF THESE THINGS DEPEND ON FAMILY SITUATIONS. |
| 07:35:38 |
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IN SOME CASES, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE JUDICIAL OVERRIDE LOCALLY IF THERE IS ABUSE IN THE FAMILY OR... |
| 07:35:52 |
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I COULD OFFER 100 HYPOTHETICALS. ALL OF US HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS PATH BUT THE ONE THING THAT I BELIEVE... |
| 07:38:24 |
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I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. THIS IS NOT IN ANY WAY CHANGING THE LAW OF THE LAND TODAY.... |
| 07:39:35 |
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I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT. MY WORRIES, I FEEL LIKE WE ARE CREEPING BEYOND THE HYDE LANGUAGE BUT WE CAN ARGUE... |
| 07:39:56 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN. BELIEVE THIS REAFFIRMS THE CURRENT LAW AND THEY THINK AGAIN AS... |
| 07:40:46 |
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MR. DIAZ-BALART. MR. SESSIONS. |
| 07:40:51 |
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I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN BELIEVE THAT, BELIEVE WE MUST-- |
| 07:41:06 |
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MR. PERLMUTTER. [INAUDIBLE] DR. FOXX. |
| 07:41:14 |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR STEADFASTNESS-- STEADFASTNESS ON THIS... |
| 07:41:46 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. MR. KING IS HERE. MR. KENNETH THINKETH... |
| 07:42:14 |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND I THANK MY COLLEAGUES. I WILL BE FAIRLY CLICK ON THIS. THE AMENDMENT IS... |
| 07:44:07 |
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I APPRECIATED. ANY QUESTIONS OF DR. FOXX. MR. SESSIONS. |
| 07:44:14 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN EARLIER THIS EVENING I ENGAGED IN A DISCUSSION WITH THE GENTLEMAN, MR. HAMP AS WELL AS... |
| 07:45:38 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. SESSIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. KING. WE APPRECIATE... |
| 07:45:57 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN YOU WILL APPRECIATE IT THAT I HAVE ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS ON THREE PIECES OF PAPER IN... |
| 08:02:20 |
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ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. KING? MR. DREIER. |
| 08:02:24 |
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LET ME THANK MY KING-- FRAN MR. KING FOR THE DEDICATION HISHAM. IT IS THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND... |
| 08:05:07 |
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MR. HASTINGS. |
| 08:05:10 |
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MR. MCGOVERN, EARLIER TODAY I CHALLENGE MR. MCKEON REGARDING THE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES FROM 3200 TO... |
| 08:08:23 |
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MR. HASTINGS I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I AM NOT SIGNED ONTO THE REPUBLICAN SUBSTITUTE.... |
| 08:08:34 |
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ARGUE BOONE NONE OF THEM OR YOU DID NOT SEEK YOURSELF TO GO TO YOUR LEADERSHIP OR OTHERS IN THE COMMITTEES... |
| 08:08:46 |
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THESE ISSUES ARE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED FOR SOME TIME. I HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT I WOULD HAVE... |
| 08:08:59 |
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RIGHT. I GUESS SOMETIMES I DON'T HAVE A LIFE BECAUSE I WATCH YOU ON C-SPAN AT NIGHT A LOT. AND I... |
| 08:09:27 |
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I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE WALKED INTO THE OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL. |
| 08:09:31 |
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A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OTHER MEMBERS HERE, WHO DON'T EVEN KNOW IT NUMBER ONE WHERE IT IS. THE POINT... |
| 08:12:52 |
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I'M TOLD BY STAFF ALL OF THESE AMENDMENTS WERE IN HIS OFFICE. |
| 08:12:55 |
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THAT'S WHAT I SAID. |
| 08:12:59 |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
| 08:13:01 |
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I SAID HE DID. I RESPECT THAT. AND IF ALL OF US HAD TO DO THE SAME THING -- YEAH. WELL, I'VE MADE... |
| 08:13:28 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST POS THIS QUESTION TO THE PANEL. THERE'S A NEWS REPORT THAT ANNOUNCED... |
| 08:14:03 |
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COULD IT BE ARGUED MAY BE THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE WAS TRYING TO ALERT MEMBERS THAT -- |
| 08:14:12 |
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I DON'T KNOW, MR. HASTINGS. WE WILL SEE HOW MANY OF THE RULES COMMITTEE ADOPTS, THE VETO. I'VE HAD... |
| 08:14:44 |
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I SIT ON THE RULES COMMITTEE AND I WILL TRY TO DO WHAT I CAN TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ACCEPTED. |
| 08:14:50 |
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I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, MR. HASTINGS AND WOULD YIELD BACK. |
| 08:14:53 |
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THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. KING. NO ONE ELSE TO TESTIFY THIS CLOSES THE HEARING... |
| 08:15:47 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THE COMMITTEE GRANT H.R. 3962, THE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR AMERICA ACT PROVIDES... |
| 08:19:14 |
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THANK YOU. YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION, THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA, MR. HASTINGS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION... |
| 08:19:24 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LET ME SAY I'M VERY SORRY WE ARE HERE AFTER 1:00 IN THE MORNING. WE HAVE... |
| 08:21:55 |
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YOU HEARD THE AMENDMENT FROM THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. I WOULD URGE NO VOTE. I THINK IT'S BEEN... |
| 08:22:08 |
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ALL IN ASKING FOR IS THE 72 HOURS PROMISED. |
| 08:22:12 |
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MR. DREIER'S AMENDMENT, ON AN ACT. POS, NO. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. ... |
| 08:22:44 |
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I MOVE THAT THE KENNEDY DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF THE DATE TIME TO EIGHT HOURS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHEN... |
| 08:23:34 |
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ALL OF THOSE -- ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. NO, NO. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE... |
| 08:24:05 |
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I HAVE AMENDMENT TO THE RULES. I MOVE THAT THE RULES COMMITTEE MAKE IN ORDER ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS... |
| 08:24:18 |
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YOU'VE HEARD THE AMENDMENT OF THE GENTLEMAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED, NO. THE CLERK WILL... |
| 08:24:59 |
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YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MOVE THE COMMITTEE MAKE ORDER TO PROVIDE THIS AZERI WAIVERS -- |
| 08:25:07 |
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I WAS A LITTLE SLOW -- |
| 08:25:09 |
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I MOVE THE COMMITTEE MAY ORDER TO FIND THE APPROPRIATE WAIVERS FOR THE AMENDMENT NUMBER 67 OFFERED... |
| 08:25:32 |
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KEEFER HEARD THE GENTLEMAN'S AMENDMENT. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE ALL OF THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE... |
| 08:26:03 |
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[INAUDIBLE] -- NECESSARY WAIVERS FOR AMENDMENT 144 OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE FROM MICHIGAN WHAT STRIKE... |
| 08:26:18 |
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YOU HEARD THE GENTLEMAN'S AMENDMENT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, THEN THE VOTE WILL OCCUR ON... |
| 08:26:57 |
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AN AMENDMENT TO THE WORLD I MAKE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE NECESSARY WAIVERS FOR AMENDMENT 142 OFFERED BY... |
| 08:27:54 |
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[INAUDIBLE] -- OFFERED BY REPRESENTATIVE BRADY OF TEXAS. LIMITATION ON SECTIONS OF H.R. 3962 INCLUDING... |
| 08:28:27 |
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YOU HEARD THE GENTLEMAN'S AMENDMENT. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR, ESSEY AYE, OPPOSED, NO. BEING THE CHAIR,... |
| 08:29:03 |
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[INAUDIBLE] -- AMENDMENT 116 BY REPRESENTATIVE REICHERT TO CREATE AN EXCEPTION OF THE EMPLOYER MANDATE... |
| 08:29:30 |
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YOU HEARD THE GENTLEMAN'S AMENDMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED, NO. BEING THE CHAIR, THE NOES... |
| 08:30:03 |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 12 HOURS AND AS WE DO HERE IN THE RULES... |
| 08:30:23 |
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THAT MEANS A LOT. THE STIMULUS BILL -- THE STIMULUS BILL SAVED A LOT OF JOBS IN MY DISTRICT. SAVED... |
| 08:30:35 |
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BUT WE WERE TOLD -- |
| 08:30:37 |
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500 TEACHERS AND EDUCATION SUPPORT STAFF IN THE CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED. I'M GLAD THEY ARE STILL... |
| 08:30:44 |
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I KNOW YOU ALL ARE SENSITIVE ABOUT THAT -- |
| 08:30:47 |
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FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS -- |
| 08:30:48 |
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WE WERE TOLD WOULD WORK AND WE ARE NOT WORKING. |
| 08:30:54 |
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ANYWAY, YOUR AMENDMENT. |
| 08:30:55 |
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THIS BILL WILL SINGLE-HANDEDLY CAUSED A DOUBLE-DIP RECESSION IN OUR ECONOMY. |
| 08:31:00 |
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WHICH WILL OCCUR ON THE GENTLEMAN'S PREDICTION? |
| 08:31:06 |
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[INAUDIBLE] MR. CHURN AND, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE RULE AND MOVE THE COMMITTEE MADE AN ORDER BY... |
| 08:31:28 |
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A VOTE WILL OCCUR ON THE SESSIONS AMENDMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED, NO. BEING THE CHAIR,... |
| 08:31:57 |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE TOTAL. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT AGREED TO. ARE THERE FURTHER AMENDMENTS? MR.... |
| 08:32:06 |
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I RULE THE COMMITTEE MAKE ORDER FOR AN AMENDMENT NUMBER 34 AUBURN REFERRED BY MR. HASTINGS OF WASHINGTON... |
| 08:32:18 |
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YOU HEARD THE AMENDMENT OF THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED, NO. |
| 08:32:28 |
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THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [ROLL CALL] THE CLERK REPORTS THAT TOTAL. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT AGREED... |
| 08:32:54 |
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THE COMMITTEE MAY ORDER BY THE NECESSARY WAIVERS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 115 OFFERED BY GEORGIA WHICH... |
| 08:33:19 |
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ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF DECISIONS AMENDMENT SAY AYE. OPPOSED, NO. BEING THE CHAIR, THE NOES HAVE IT.... |
| 08:33:26 |
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RECORDED VOTE, PLEASE. |
| 08:33:28 |
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THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [ROLL CALL] THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE TOTAL. IT IS NOT AGREED TO. ARE... |
| 08:33:54 |
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I HAVE AMENDMENT THE COMMITTEE MAKE A RULE FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER 190 OFFERED BY MYSELF WHICH WOULD... |
| 08:34:16 |
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YOU HEARD THE GENTLEMAN'S AMENDMENT. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE SESSIONS AMENDMENT, AYE. ALL OF... |
| 08:34:26 |
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RECORDED VOTE, PLEASE. |
| 08:34:27 |
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THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [ROLL CALL] THE CLERK REPORT THE TOTAL. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT AGREED... |
| 08:34:49 |
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I MOVE THE COMMITTEE MEET IN ORDER TO PROVIDE APPROPRIATE WAIVERS FOR THE AMENDMENT WOULD PROHIBIT... |
| 08:35:14 |
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YOU HEARD THE GENTLEMAN'S AMENDMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED, NO. BEING THE CHAIR THE... |
| 08:35:48 |
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I DO HAVE SOME AMENDMENTS. BEFORE I OFFER THEM, I WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT THIS... |
| 08:37:14 |
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THANK YOU. |
| 08:37:15 |
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AMENDMENT TO THE RULE AND MOVE THE COMMITTEE MAKE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY WAIVERS FOR AMENDMENT... |
| 08:38:16 |
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YOU'VE HEARD THE AMENDMENT BY THE GENTLELADY FROM NORTH CAROLINA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED, NO.... |
| 08:38:27 |
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CAN WE HAVE A RECORDED VOTE. |
| 08:38:32 |
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THE THE WORK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [ROLL CALL] THE CLERK WILL CALL THE TOTAL. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT AGREED... |
| 08:40:30 |
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MR. POLIS? |
| 08:40:33 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE KING AMENDMENT AS WELL AS AMENDMENT 56. BOTH OF THOSE I WOULD LIKE TO ... |
| 08:41:05 |
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MR. DIAZ-BALART. |
| 08:41:07 |
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IF THESE AMENDMENTS WERE MADE IN ORDER BY THE COMMITTEE I WOULD VOTE AGAINST THEM ON THE FLOOR. I... |
| 08:42:01 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE VOTE NOW OCCURS ON THE FOXX AMENDMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED,... |
| 08:42:14 |
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CAN WE HAVE A RECORDED VOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN? |
| 08:42:16 |
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THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [ROLL CALL] THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE TOTAL. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT AGREED... |
| 08:42:38 |
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I HAVE AMENDMENT TO THE WORLD. I MOVE THE COMMITTEE MAKE IN ORDER AND PROVIDE NECESSARY WAIVERS FOR... |
| 08:42:55 |
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YOU HEARD THE AMENDMENT OF THE GENTLELADY. ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT THE VOTE OCCURS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR... |
| 08:43:08 |
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CAN WE HAVE A RECORDED VOTE. |
| 08:43:10 |
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THE CLERK WILL CALL OF WROLICH. [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE TOTAL OF THE AMENDMENT... |
| 08:43:36 |
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THE LAST ONE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE AMENDMENT TO THE WORLD. I MOVE THE COMMITTEE MADE AN ORDER AND... |
| 08:43:59 |
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ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED, NO. IN THE OPINION OF THE CHAIR THE NOES HAVE IT. |
| 08:44:08 |
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CAN WE HAVE A RECORDED VOTE, MR. CHAIRMAN? |
| 08:44:12 |
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THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [ROLL CALL] THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE TOTAL. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT AGREED... |
| 08:44:35 |
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BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE VOTE ON FINAL PASSAGE, WE'VE BEEN HERE 11 AND A HALF HOURS NOW SINCE WE... |
| 08:45:07 |
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WELL, I AM TOLD THE SCHEDULE HAS ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED. WE ARE GOING TO COME IN AT 9:00, THERE ARE... |
| 08:45:26 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
| 08:45:27 |
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NO FURTHER AMENDMENTS? BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN... |
| 08:46:52 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT, IF YOU WOULD YIELD TO SIMPLY SAY AS YOU OUTLINED YOUR GOALS WITH OUR SUBSTITUTE... |
| 08:47:16 |
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AGAIN, NOT TO CARRY ON THIS DEBATE BUT YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE AND WE ENDED UP WITH MORE AND MORE PEOPLE... |
| 08:47:39 |
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I ASK FOR A RECORDED VOTE. [ROLL CALL] |
| 08:47:49 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT MY LEGACY TO BE IDLE TO FOR HEALTH CARE. [ROLL CALL] THE CLERK WILL REPORT TOTAL.... |
| 08:48:18 |
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THE GENTLEMAN MR. SESSIONS WILL BE MANAGING. |
| 08:48:21 |
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THANK YOU. THE RULES COMMITTEE STANDS ADJOURNED. [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] HILBOLDT CONVERSATIONS... |
| 08:49:20 |
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THE HOUSE RULES COMMITTEE BEGAN THEIR WORK FRIDAY AFTERNOON AT 2:00 EASTERN TIME AND JUST PAST 1:30... |
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