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IN THE MEETING THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO CURB SOME OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE AND SEIZURE... |
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IT WORKING FOR THEM BEING PRESENT, THE COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER AND PRESERVE TO NOTICE I CALL... |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MR. SMITH STRIKES SECTION 104 AND INSERT THE FOLLOWING NEW SECTION.... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN I ASK THAT THE AMENDMENT BE CONSIDERED AS RED. |
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GENTLEMAN'S RECOGNIZED IN SUPPORT OF ITS ABILITY. |
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THIS AMENDMENT STRIKES A SECTION OF A BILL THAT ALLOWS THE LOW WALLS OR AS I CALLED IT THE LONE TERRORIST... |
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I WANTED TO THANK THE TALIBAN FOR RAISING THIS DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF THE PATRIOT ACT SUNSETTING BECAUSE... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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GAS MR. CHAFFETZ. A COMPLIMENT THAT I GAVE YOU YESTERDAY . |
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EVERY DAY IS A NEW DAY. |
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GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. |
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THANK YOU. I MOVE TO STRIKE LAST ONE. |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. SMACK ONE RHETORICAL QUESTION AND THEN APPLY TO REAL-TIME... |
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I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM UTAH FOR YIELDING. I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT POINT AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS... |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE GENTLEMAN . |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, IF NOT, I'LL YIELD. I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM YULETIDE TO YIELD ME THE TIME. THE FBI... |
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THANK YOU. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CONSTITUTION SUBCOMMITTEE,. |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I SIMPLY WANT TO COMMENT. I ONLY HEARD ONE OF MR. SMITH'S TWO POINTS IN WHICH... |
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I'LL BE HAPPY TO REPEAT THE SECOND POINT. REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAYS, IT STILL DOES ADD... |
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LET ME JUST RECLAIM MY TIME FOR A MOMENT. THE SUPREME COURT, AND I CAN'T SAY CHAPTER VERSE OFF THE... |
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AND SECOND POINT WAS THE CRIMINAL WIRETAPS ALLOW LIVE MINIMAL INVASION THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE OFTEN TIMES... |
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A WHITE. |
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MINIMIZATION IS ALSO IMPOSSIBLE. YOU HAVE THE TWO-POINT I. MAKE THAT ARE VALID. I THINK THE GENTLEMAN... |
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I THINK THE GENTLEMAN. |
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THANK YOU MR. NADLER. JIM SENSENBRENNER. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT FROM THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS AND I WAS ON THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE... |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY |
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OF COURSE. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT THE "LONE WOLF" PROVISION NEVER CAME BEFORE THE JUDICIARY... |
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THE QUESTION OCCURS ON THE PROVISION AMENDMENT OFFERED BY LAMAR SMITH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WILL SAY... |
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MR. CONYERS VOTES NO. MR. BERMAN? MR. BOUCHER? MR. NADLER? MR. NADLER VOTES NO. MR. SCOTT? V-VICTOR... |
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IS THERE ANYONE THAT VOTED. THE CLERK WILL REPORT. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, 15 MEMBERS VOTED AYE. THIS TEAM MEMBERS VOTED NAY. |
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AND THE AMENDMENT IS UNSUCCESSFUL. WE WERE TURN FOR THE BOAT AND DIRECTLY THEREAFTER. [INAUDIBLE... |
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RECOGNIZED TAMMY BALDWIN. |
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THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. IT'S BALDWIN 68. |
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CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT OF RANKING MEMBER SMITH, RESERVES THE POINT OF ORDER. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MS. BALDWIN OF WISCONSIN. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT. .. RESTORE CHECKS AND BALANCES. WHILE THE BILL BEFORE US MAKES... |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. LAMAR SMITH. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I ASK UNANIMOUS WITHDRAW ON MY POINT OF ORDER. |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. |
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FURTHERMORE I WOULD LIKE TO SAY DON'T OBJECT TO THIS AMENDMENT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THE GENTLEMAN... |
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THAT IS THE WEAKEST ENDORSEMENT I'VE EVER HEARD THIS YEAR. [LAUGHTER] NEVERTHELESS IT IS AN ENDORSEMENT... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT MR. COBLE'S AMENDMENT. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MR. GOEBEL. STRIKES SECTION 109. |
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I MOVE TO STRIKE THE LAST WORD. |
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THIS AMENDMENT STRIKES SECTION 109 WHICH REQUIRES THE PUBLIC REPORTING OF CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.... |
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THANK YOU, MR. COBLE. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT PERHAPS IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO... |
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I HAVE NO PROBLEM. WHAT WE LOOK TO THE GENTLEMAN OF TEXAS IF HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO ACCEPT YOUR OFFER TO ALSO ADD MORE ITEMS TO THE DISCUSSION THAT MIGHT... |
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YES. I WOULD ADD THE LOAN-LOSS PROVISION SINCE IT SAYS IT WAS DEFEATED ON A TIED VOTE I THINK THAT... |
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I THANK THE SUPPLY AND FROM NORTH CAROLINA FOR YIELDING TO ME AND I RECOMMEND WE ACCEPT THE JERGENS... |
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I CONCUR AND YELLED BACK. |
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WELCOME YOU WITHDRAW THE AMENDMENT. |
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YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CAN I RECOGNIZE SHEILA JACKSON LEE? |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. -- |
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I RESERVE A POINT OF ORDER. |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. FROM MS. JACKSON OF TEXAS AND AT THE END OF THE FOLLOWING COLIN CODE SECTION 209... |
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I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE AMENDMENT BE CONSIDERED AS READ. AND WE WILL NOTE THAT MR. SMITH ... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO -- |
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THE GENTLELADY IS RECOGNIZED IN SUPPORT OF HER AMENDMENT. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE TITLE OF THE REAUTHORIZATION... |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS NEARLY EXPIRED -- |
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I WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO CONSIDER THIS AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. |
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I RECOGNIZE THE GENTLE LADY FROM WISCONSIN. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WAS ALSO PLANNING ON INTRODUCING A VERY SIMILAR AMENDMENT WHICH I WILL... |
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DE GENTLELADY'S TIME IS EXPIRED. THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK. |
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I MOVE TO STRIKE THE LAST WORD. WHILE I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT TO THE HUMANITARIAN CONCERNS THAT MOTIVATE... |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS EXPIRED. DOES THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS INSIST ON HIS POINT OF ORDER? |
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YES, I DO INSIST ON A POINT OF ORDER SIMPLY BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT IS NOT GERMANE. IT DOES GO BEYOND... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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-- WE ARE HERE TO REAUTHORIZE THE THREE PROVISIONS OF THE U.S. A PATRIOT ACT AND THE AMENDMENT CHANGES... |
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THE GENTLEMAN INSISTS ON HIS POINT OF ORDER. THE GENTLELADY OF TEXAS, DOES THE SPONSOR WISH TO BE HURT... |
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YES. IF -- |
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THIS IS ON A POINT OF ORDER. |
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FIRST I VIGOROUSLY DISAGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK AND HIS INTERPRETATION BECAUSE WE ARE... |
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JUST ONE OF THE TIME -- UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO WITHDRAW THE AMENDMENT? WITHOUT OBJECTION THE AMENDMENT... |
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MIA LEE ENGAGE THE CHAIR JUST TO PUT ON THE RECORD, AND I THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR LISTENING -- I WOULD... |
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AND THE TERMS OF THE CRIME SUBCOMMITTEE THIS WOULD BE TITLE 18 SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD BE HAVING... |
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THANK YOU PITTARD I WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE RECORD THAT WE HAD THIS ISSUE TO THE ISSUES OTHERS HAVE... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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I'M SORRY? |
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I JUST WANTED TO BE HEARD ON THE SUBJECT OF THE HEARINGS THAT THE GENTLELADY IS REQUESTING. |
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THE GENTLELADY FROM FLORIDA. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY GRAVE CONCERN AND MY OWN PERSONAL OPPOSITION THAT... |
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WITH THE GENTLELADY BE HAPPY TO YIELD FOR A MOMENT? AI THANK THE GENTLELADY TO READ THIS IS THE BASIS... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS EXPIRED. |
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I MOVE TO STRIKE THE LAST WORD BEFORE THE UNANIMOUS CONSENT. OKAY OF IT LIKE TO BE HEARD THE SAME... |
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PEOPLE ARE JUST MAKING OBSERVATIONS. THE GENTLEMAN -- |
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THANK YOU. I WILL BE JUST AS BRIEF. MY OBSERVATION IS IF TWO DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS DISAGREE SO MUCH... |
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THANK YOU WE ARE THERE OTHER AMENDMENTS? |
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA COX? |
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OF THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MR. ROONEY STRIKES SECTION 107. |
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POINT OF ORDER HAS BEEN RESERVED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM WISCONSIN. |
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA IS RECOGNIZED AND SUPPORTED HIS AMENDMENT FOR FIVE MINUTES. |
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THANK YOU. I OFFER AMENDMENT TO STRIKE THE CHANGES H.R. 3485 AND THE MANAGERS' AMENDMENT TO THE U.S.... |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS EXPIRED. THE GENTLEMAN FROM ILLINOIS. |
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IF I MIGHT ASK THE PROPONENT OF THIS HE MAKES REFERENCE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TAKING A STANCE... |
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BECAUSE OF THE SHORT NOTICE OF THIS MARKET WE HAVE E-MAILS EFFECT WE WHAT WAS STATED WE WOULD NEED... |
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WHAT WERE THEIR GROUPS AGAIN? |
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THE NATIONAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION, THE NATIONAL SHERIFFS' ASSOCIATION, THE FRATERNAL ORDER... |
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THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK. |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES HIMSELF. I JUST POINT OUT THAT THE SECTION 1 OF SEVEN ACCOMPLISHES MANY IMPORTANT... |
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THANK YOU. I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT OFFERED BY THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA, MR. ROONEY. THE AMENDMENT... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ALSO WHILE IT IS FRESH IN MY MIND WHEN YOU WERE JUST SAYING WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT... |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS AND YIELD OR WHOEVER CONTROLS THE TIME? |
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I DO HAVE THE TIME AND WHO ASKED FOR THE TIME? MR. SCHIFF, A GUESS. |
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WITH THE OFFER OF THE AMENDMENT BE MEANINGFUL TO A SECONDARY AMENDMENT THAT WOULD CONFORM TO THE CHANGE... |
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I CERTAINLY THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER. IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY,... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL YIELD ADDITIONAL TIME TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA MR. ISSA. |
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ON THIS SIDE, MR. SCHIFF, WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING THERE IS A PRESUMPTION IN ORDER TO DO... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD YIELD BACK. |
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OTHER COMMENTS? |
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YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. |
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SORRY I WASN'T HERE FOR ALL OF THE THE DATE, BUT COULD THE CHAIR CLARIFY HAVE WE HAD HEARINGS ON THIS... |
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WE HAD HEARINGS ON THE PATRIOT ACT GENERALLY -- |
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NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT -- |
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I'M NOT SURE IF THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE CAME UP -- |
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TITLE XVIII -- |
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CONSTITUTION SUBCOMMITTEE HAS BEEN HAVING JURISDICTION OVER THE PATRIOT ACT ITSELF SO MOST OF THE... |
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I'VE INFORMED THERE HAVE BEEN NO HEARINGS ON THIS. THIS AFFECTS, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, EVERY SINGLE... |
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I WOULD REFER TO THE TESTIMONY OF A FORMER FBI AGENT MICHAEL GERMAN WHO TESTIFIED. HE WAS NOT REPRESENTING... |
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I APPRECIATE THAT. |
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HE SAID SOME ACTION IN CONGRESS IS NEEDED TO ENSURE, QUOTE, THE DRAMATIST OF ABUSING THIS INFORMATION... |
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I UNDERSTAND -- |
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RECLAIMING MY TIME I WOULD SAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PIN REGISTERS AND TRAP-AND-TRACE ON LESS IBM --... |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? JUST TO CLARIFY FURTHER WE INSERT LANGUAGE IN THE CONTEXT OF 215 THAT REPLACED... |
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IT'S NOT MY AMENDMENT -- |
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BEFORE THE GENTLEMAN RESPONSE THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS EXPIRED AND WITHOUT OBJECTION WILL BE GIVEN... |
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THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL MINUTES. AS UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO PRESUMPTION IN THESE SETTINGS AS ... |
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THE GENTLEMAN WILL YIELD -- |
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I'M NOT YIELDING NOW BECAUSE I'VE ONLY GOT TWO MINUTES. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. WE ARE TALKING... |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS EXPIRED. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA REQUESTED TIME FIRST. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MOVE TO STRIKE THE LAST WORD. I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA IS... |
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I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT TO TRY TO MITIGATE. MY PROBLEM -- MY PROBLEM IS THIS, THAT WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE... |
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THANK THE GENTLEMAN AND YELLED BACK MY TIME. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE TO STRIKE THE LAST WORD. |
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM GEORGIA. |
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YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IN SO FAR AS A STATE, LOCAL, FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT... |
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IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD YIELD, IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD YIELD, THE TRAP-AND-TRACE IS PURSUANT TO A COURT... |
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THANK YOU. I WILL YIELD BACK. |
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THE GENTLELADY FROM WISCONSIN TO BEAT |
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I WITHDRAW MY RESERVATION. |
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OTHER COMMENTS? THE QUESTION IS ON THE AMENDMENT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE HAMMOND WILL SAY ON A MAC,... |
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HOW IS MR. JOHNSON RECORDED? |
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MR. JOHNSON READ VOTED PRESENT. |
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I WOULD CHANGE THAT TO EIGHT YES VOTE. |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, TEN MEMBERS VOTED ON A AYE, 12 MEMBERS VOTED NAY. |
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ARE THERE OTHER AMENDMENTS? |
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM FLORIDA? |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MR. BRUNI, PAGE 21, LINE TO STRIKE SPECIFIC AND ARTICULABLE. |
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES IN SUPPORT OF HIS AMENDMENT. |
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I OFFER AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE NEW HIGHER STANDARD THAT H.R. 3045 CREATES TO OBTAIN DATA FROM KINVER... |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES HIMSELF FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT I WILL JUST RESTATE THE ARGUMENT I MADE A LASTING... |
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I DO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT WOULD REMOVE THE HIGHER STANDARD TO CREATE DATA FROM PIN REGISTERS... |
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THE GENTLEMAN'S TIME IS EXPIRED. THE GENTLELADY FROM TEXAS? |
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LET ME TRY TO REDEFINE THE LANGUAGE OF ENHANCE THE STANDARD. I THINK IT IS A CLEARER STANDARDS THAT... |
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THE GENTLELADY'S TIME IS EXPIRED. OTHER COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT WILL SAY AYE. POS,... |
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[INAUDIBLE] AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MS. JACKSON LEE OF TEXAS AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE IN... |
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I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THE AMENDMENT BE CONSIDERED AS IF READ. |
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THE GENTLELADY FROM TEXAS. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK THAT REFLECT MO ONLY OUR CONCERN FOR THE NATIONAL SECURITY... |
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WITH THE GENTLELADY FIELD? |
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I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. |
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THE CHAIRMAN HAS INDICATED HIS SUPPORT FOR THIS AMENDMENT. THE GENTLELADY SITE IS EXPIRED. THE GENTLEMAN... |
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I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS AS WELL. |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED. |
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ARE THERE OTHER AMENDMENTS? GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE AMENDMENT AT THE DESK, I BELIEVE IT'S AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MR. LUNGREN. PAGE FIVE, STRIKE LINES 25 IN ALL THAT FOLLOWS THROUGH... |
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CHAIRMAN I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT IT BE CONSIDERED AS RED. |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE GENTLEMAN'S RECOGNIZED FIVE MINUTES. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN. I HOPE THAT WE GET SUPPORT FOR THIS AMENDMENT. I'M TRYING TO ESTABLISH... |
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THE COMMENTS I RECOGNIZE MYSELF FOR FIVE MINUTES. AND I'D SAY THAT UNDER CURRENT LAW, WHEN A PERSON... |
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Y-YANKEE MR. CHAIRMAN. I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT. THIS AMENDMENT SUPPORTS THE NONDISCLOSURE CERTIFICATION... |
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I THINK IT FOR YIELDING. I'M SOMEWHAT STUNNED THAT THE TERROR TALK ABOUT TORTURE IN REFERENCE TO THIS... |
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I WANT TO SAY I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA STRIKES A GOOD BALANCE. AND GOING FROM EXISTING... |
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I THINK THE GENTLEMAN. I'M ALWAYS PLEASED WHEN HE AND I CAN COME TO AN ACCORD. I HOPE THAT THE CHAIR... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL YIELD BACK. |
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GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. OTHER COMMENTS? |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ASK A QUESTION, THAT PERHAPS THE CHAIR OR MR. LUNGREN OR MR. SCHIFF MAY BE ABLE... |
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WHAT THE COURT FOUND WAS THAT THE CONCLUSIVE DEFERENCE WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THEY LEFT IT ESSENTIALLY... |
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WELL, I WOULD SAY WHILE THE COURT RECOGNIZES THE DEFERENCE IS GIVEN TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, I BELIEVE... |
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I YIELD TO MR. SCHIFF. |
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I WOULD SAY I THINK WHERE THE SUPREME COURT HAS SPOKEN ON ANALOGOUS QUESTIONS OF HOW MUCH DEFERENCE... |
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I'LL YIELD TO MR. SCOTT IF HE HAS AN OPINION ON THIS. I JUST RENTED IT INFORMATION. IT SEEMS TO ME... |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD ON |
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YES, SIR. |
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PRESUMABLY THE STANDARD THAT CURRENTLY GIVEN PRIOR TO THE SECOND CIRCUIT DECISION STILL PREVAILS IN... |
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WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THE DOE CASE? DISSENTED BACK FOR ANOTHER DETERMINATION BASED ON ANOTHER DEFERENCE... |
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I BELIEVE THEY REMAINED UP FOR THAT PARTICULAR SECURITY LETTER. FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. |
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IDEAL BACK. |
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GENTLEMAN'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT. ALL IN FAVOR WILL SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED... |
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COURTS VOTE IS ORDERED. CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL]... |
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THE COMMITTEE WILL BE IN RECESS TO RETURN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE SERIES OF THE VOTES. COMMITTEES IN... |
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WORKING QUORUM BEING PRESENT, THE CHAIR WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH THE AMENDMENT OF THEIR OLD ISSA,... |
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IF MY COLLEAGUE -- IF WE'RE ALTERNATING REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT WE SHOULD CERTAINLY ALTERNATE DEMOCRAT... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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OF COURSE, MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA MR. SCHIFF IS RECOGNIZED YOUR. |
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I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. |
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CLERK WILL REPORT. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MR. SCHIFF STRIKES SECTION 107 PAGE 13 LINE 20 AFTER USE ANSWERED... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. |
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I THINK THE CHAIRMAN AND MY COLLEAGUE FROM CALIFORNIA TO ALLOWING ME TO GO FIRST ON THIS AMENDMENT.... |
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THANK YOU FOR SPOTTING THAT, MR. SCHIFF. I YIELD TO LAMAR SMITH. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID IS THAT THIS STRIKES THE HIGHER... |
| 01:50:54 |
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IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD YIELD, YES THAT'S CORRECT. IT STRIKES A HIGHER STANDARD |
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)-RIGHT-PAREN. |
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IT ALSO CALLS FOR THE SAME AUDIT THAT WE JUST FOUR AND ONE IN BOTH THE FISA AND CRIMINAL CONTEXT. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS AMENDMENT GREATLY IMPROVES THE BILL, NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN SUPPORT... |
| 01:51:21 |
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I THANK LAMAR SMITH AND ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT INDICATE BY SAYING THAT AYE. ALL OPPOSED, NO.... |
| 01:51:37 |
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I HAVE AN AMENDMENT OF THE DESK. |
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CLERK WILL REPORT IT. |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MR. ISSA EXTRACTS SECTION 106 REDESIGNATE SUCCEEDING SECTIONS ACCORDINGLY... |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED AND SUPPORTED BY THIS AMENDMENT. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIMAN. I OFFER THE AMENDMENT TO STRIKE THE SECTION OF THE BILL BECAUSE CLEARLY WE... |
| 01:55:20 |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION, MR. ISSA. IS THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS AMENDMENT?... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN,? CHAIR RECOGNIZES GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA. |
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SORRY FOR MY LONG DELAY. MR. CHAIRMAN, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH WE NEARLY HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT WE MAY,... |
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR HIS CAREFUL SCRUTINY AND WE WILL HOLD IT WITHOUT PREJUDICE. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIMAN. I WOULD WITHDRAW. |
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I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER AMENDMENT. IF ANYONE SEEKS TO -- NO, DON'T ASK THAT. [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS]... |
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WHAT WE WANT TO DO NOW WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE MEMBERS IS THAT WE WANT TO HOLD THE FINAL DISPOSITION... |
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WORK WELL REPORT THE BILL. |
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A BILL TO PROVIDE SAFE AND IRRESPONSIBLE PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS FOR RESOLVING CLAIMS A STATE SECRET... |
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RECALL OF THE STATE SECRETS. I APOLOGIZE. LET'S TAKE THE RESOLUTION OF INQUIRY OFFERED BY LAMAR SMITH... |
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BINKY MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN BECAUSE THE FORMER CHAIRMAN FROM WISCONSIN HAS TO LEAVE IN FIVE MINUTES... |
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ABSOLUTELY. |
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I'LL YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM WISCONSIN. |
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I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS IT'S MORE LIKE 30 MINUTES THAT I DO HAVE AN OPENING STATEMENT WHICH... |
| 02:06:09 |
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WELL I THANK THE GENTLEMAN. ONE OF OUR TRIAL LAWYERS ON THE COMMITTEE WILL RISE TO THE DEFENSE OF... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. WE COULD FILE THE INFORMATION REQUEST BUT I THINK I WOULD... |
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WELL, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE BEING INVITED IN TO HELP YOU IN YOUR REQUEST FOR KNOWLEDGE. LET ME ASK... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, YOUR INQUIRY WAS WHETHER WE HAD MAILED THEM A LETTER YET. BASED UPON OUR TRACK RECORD... |
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ALL RIGHT, THANKS THE GENTLEMAN VERY MUCH. BUT I INQUIRE FURTHER THE GENTLEMAN IF HE HAS MADE A TELEPHONE... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE NOT MADE A TELEPHONE CALL BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF CONFIDENCE THAT... |
| 02:08:55 |
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ALL RIGHTS. WELL, FINALLY, THAT I INQUIRE, MY DEAR FRIEND, WHEN WE MET WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AT... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T REMEMBER BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THAT LUNCHEON. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SUCH... |
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IF WE EMPLOY ANY ONE OF THE FOUR OR FIVE METHODS THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED, COULD YOU HOLD THIS RESOLUTION... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE AGREED TO MAKE A CONFERENCE CALL WITH ME. |
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YES I HAVE. |
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AND WOULD YOU BE WILLING, DURING A CONFERENCE CALL, TO REQUEST THE INFORMATION THAT I WANT AND ENCOURAGE... |
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I WOULD HAVE TO. I WOULD NOT MAKE -- PARTICIPATE IN A CONFERENCE CALL IN WHICH I OPPOSE THE POSITION... |
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AND MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD YOU REQUEST, AS I WOULD HOPE, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GET THE RESPONSE FROM... |
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ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD INSIST UPON THOSE TERMS. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. |
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LET ME ASK MY COLLEAGUES IF THERE ANY OTHER REQUESTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AS LONG AS THE CHAIRMAN IS... |
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COULD YOU HOLD OFF ANY OTHER REQUEST YOU LIKE TO MAKE -- LET ME YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM ILLINOIS.... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIMAN. FOR SOME REASON, MY LINE OF QUESTIONING HAS BEEN THROWN OFF AND I FEEL LIKE... |
| 02:12:54 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC DISCLOSURE, ARE YOU A TRIAL LAWYER? |
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I AM NOT A TRIAL LAWYER. I WAS A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY WHO COMPLETED TRIALS. THANK YOU. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I YIELD. |
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I'VE NOTED WITH INTEREST THAT APPARENTLY BOTH THE CHAIRMAN AND THE RANKING MEMBER WANT TO RESOLVE... |
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WELL, I'D SURE LIKE TO DO THAT, EXCEPT THAT THERE'S A BILL KNOWN AS THE STATE SECRETS ACT THAT IS... |
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WE'VE GOT A TIME LIMIT WHERE WE HAVE TO REPORT THIS BILL SO THAT MR. SMITH CAN'T CALL IT UP ON THE... |
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WELL, LET ME SEE IF THIS WILL ACCOMMODATE THE CHAIRMAN AND. HOW ABOUT US MAKING A DIRECT CALL TO THE... |
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WELL, I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DIVIDE OUR ATTENTION. THE CHAIR DECIDED TO BRING UP... |
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WELL,. |
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I OBJECT. [LAUGHTER] |
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COULD I INSTRUCT THE CHIEF OF STAFF OF JUDICIARY TO CALL THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND I WOULD NOW RETURN... |
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H.R. 984, A BILL TO PROVIDE SAFE, FAIR, AND RESPONSIBLE PROCEDURES AND STANDARDS FOR RESOLVING CLAIMS... |
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COULD I INVITE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE CONSTITUTION SUBCOMMITTEE TO DESCRIBE ON BEHALF OF THE MAJORITY... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIMAN. TODAY THE COMMITTEE CONSIDERS H.R. 984 THE STATE SECRET PROTECTION ACT OF... |
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WHILE I THINK THE GENTLEMAN FOR A THOROUGH EXPLANATION. I TURN NOW TO THE CHAIRMAN AND MEREDITH, JIM... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIRMAN. I THANK YOU YIELDING TO SURVIVE A FLOOR CLOCK MEETING I CAN'T BREAK... |
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I WANT TO THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR HIS THOROUGH RESEARCH IN WHICH HE IS NOW EFFECTIVELY LINKED THE... |
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ON THINK MR. SENSENBRENNER HELPED MAKE A CASE FOR THE BILL. THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE KENNEDY'S QUOTE... |
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR REBUTTAL. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES LAMAR SMITH. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JOINED THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IN OPPOSING H.R. 984 MISGUIDED APPROACH... |
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THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. WE WILL NOW SUSPEND CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 984 AND RETURN TO THE PATRIOT ACT,... |
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AMEND INTO H.R. 3845 OFFERED BY MR. FISA. ON PAGE 19, LINE 11, STRIKE WILL AND INSERT BNA. PAGES... |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA IS RECOGNIZED ON BEHALF OF HIS AMENDMENT. |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND I CAN NO LONGER COLLECT MY AMENDMENT, I CALL WITH OUR AMENDMENT AND I... |
| 02:39:58 |
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, MR. ISSA, FOR THE COMPROMISE THAT HE HAS WORKED OUT. IF THERE... |
| 02:43:03 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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YES? |
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COWAL AM I RECORD, PLEASE? |
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IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. |
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DO YOU THINK IT POSSIBLE CLERK COULD AFTER EXAMINATION ASCERTAIN THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION? |
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MR. NADLER VOTED AYE. |
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MR. SHERMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN? [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] [INAUDIBLE... |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT. |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, 16 MEMBERS VOTED AYE AND TEN MEMBERS VOTED NAY. |
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H.R. 3045 AS AMENDED IS ORDERED REPORTED FAVORABLY. WITHOUT OBJECTION THE BILL WILL BE REPORTED AS... |
| 02:47:03 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
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WHO SEEKS RECOGNITION? MR. QUIGLEY. |
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THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS AND NOT TO BE LABOR THE POINT BUT BETWEEN TODAY AND THE TIME... |
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THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE INTEND TO DO, SIR. I'M GLAD YOU REMINDED. WE NOW RETURN TO HOUSE RESOLUTION... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UNDERSTAND OUR STAFF HAS MADE A CONTACT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL BUT HE IS... |
| 02:49:18 |
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THANK YOU. WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
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I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. |
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WE HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. IS IT THE GENTLEMAN'S... |
| 02:49:46 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, LET'S ASSUME WIND THE HEAD OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF JUSTICE MEETS WITH WHITE HOUSE... |
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THANK YOU. I WILL BE WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH THAT ASSUMPTION IF YOU MAKE IT IN TOTAL CONFIDENCE OF... |
| 02:52:00 |
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I WILL WITHDRAW MY REQUEST FOR A RECORDED VOTE, BUT I WOULD SAY IF I MAY THIS WHOLE ISSUE REVOLVES... |
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I THANK THE CHAIRMAN FOR HIS COMMENTS AND THEY WILL BE NOTED. |
| 02:53:12 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
| 02:53:13 |
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WHO SEEKS RECOGNITION? |
| 02:53:14 |
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FROM FLORIDA, DOWN HERE AT THE END. |
| 02:53:19 |
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YES, MS. WASSERMAN SCHULTZ. |
| 02:53:20 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I WONDER WHETHER THE RANKING MEMBER WOULD YIELD FOR A QUESTION. |
| 02:53:33 |
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ABOUT THE RESOLUTION? |
| 02:53:35 |
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YES, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO YIELD. |
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THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. I'M WONDERING IF BEYOND THE ASSOCIATION OF JUSTICE IF YOUR RESOLUTION ASKS FOR... |
| 02:53:57 |
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I WOULD BE HAPPY TO RESPOND. I'M NOT SURE I HAD THE TIME TO BEGIN WITH BUT KNOW IT IS LIMITED TO THE... |
| 02:54:26 |
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FREAKIN' LANNING MAI TAIS IF THIS WAS A GENUINE WAR INQUIRY AS TO WHAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION EXISTS... |
| 02:55:04 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD FOR JUST A SECOND? |
| 02:55:08 |
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I WILL IN A MINUTE AND DISTRACT FROM THE FOCUS WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP AMERICANS ATTENTION ON WHICH... |
| 02:55:32 |
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IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD YOU BEGIN, THE REASON IT IS UNNECESSARY TO REQUEST INFORMATION FROM SOME OF... |
| 02:55:47 |
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RECLAIMING MY TIME -- RECLAIMING MY TIME. WINDER STAND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WITH... |
| 02:55:59 |
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BY THANK THE GENTLELADY. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, WE ARE NOW PURSUANT TO NOTICE THAT ON H.R. 984,... |
| 02:56:15 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
| 02:56:18 |
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ARE THERE ANY AMENDMENTS? |
| 02:56:19 |
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YES. |
| 02:56:20 |
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THE GENTLEMAN FROM NEW YORK IS RECOGNIZED. |
| 02:56:25 |
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I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. |
| 02:56:27 |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT AMENDMENT. |
| 02:56:30 |
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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 94 OFFERED BY MR. NADLER OF NEW YORK. PAGE SIX BEGINNING .5 -- |
| 02:56:37 |
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I MOVE THE AMENDMENT CONSIDERED IF READ. |
| 02:56:40 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION SO ORDERED AND THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED IN SUPPORT OF HIS AMENDMENT. |
| 02:56:46 |
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I HAVE THREE TECHNICAL CHANGES I'M OFFERING IN THIS AMENDMENT. THE FIRST STREAMLINES THE PROCESS... |
| 02:57:38 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? ORTIZ TECHNICAL CHANGES OF SUBSTANCE SUBSTANTIVE? |
| 02:57:47 |
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THEY ARE TECHNICAL. |
| 02:57:48 |
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CAN YOU BRIEFLY BECAUSE OUR COLLEAGUE FROM CALIFORNIA MAY HAVE AN AMENDMENT, OR MAYBE -- |
| 02:57:57 |
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I'M OUTLINING WHAT THEY DO. THE AMENDMENT SUBSTITUTES THE APPOINTMENT OF AN ATTORNEY WHO ALREADY HAS... |
| 02:58:57 |
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WOULD THE DISTINGUISHED GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 02:59:03 |
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YES. |
| 02:59:06 |
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WOULD YOU YIELD TO THE GENTLEMAN FROM VIRGINIA, MR. GOODLATTE? |
| 02:59:12 |
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FROM YIELDING AND I UNDERSTAND THIS MAKES CLEAR FIGHTING CHANGES DESCRIBED BY... |
| 02:59:33 |
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THAT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION, YOU DO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT? |
| 02:59:37 |
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WE DO INDEED. |
| 02:59:41 |
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THEN I WILL YIELD BACK. |
| 02:59:43 |
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AND WE WILL ACCEPT INTO THE RECORD THE REST OF YOUR STATEMENT. |
| 02:59:47 |
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I APPRECIATE THAT. |
| 02:59:49 |
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ARE THERE ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? YES, EXCUSE ME. ALL THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE NUMBER TECHNICAL AMENDMENTS... |
| 03:00:10 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
| 03:00:11 |
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MR. SHIFT? |
| 03:00:13 |
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I HAVE AN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. |
| 03:00:16 |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. |
| 03:00:29 |
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THIS AMENDMENT IS NUMBER ONE. |
| 03:00:31 |
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OFFERED BY MR. SCHIFF OF CALIFORNIA PAGE TWO, LINE 12 STRIKE REQUIRING SECURITY CLEARANCES FOR PARTIES... |
| 03:00:43 |
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THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO BUT THE ORDER DOESN'T MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE -- |
| 03:00:52 |
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AMENDMENT TO A CHART 984 PAGE EIGHT STRIKE LINE 33 OF LINE NINE -- [INAUDIBLE CONVERSATIONS] |
| 03:01:04 |
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I'M SORRY, CAN WE GO TO AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? |
| 03:01:11 |
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AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE IS THE ONE AT PAGE EIGHT; CORRECT? |
| 03:01:15 |
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CORRECT. |
| 03:01:17 |
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AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. SCHIFF OF CALIFORNIA AT PAGE EIGHT, STRIKE LINE THREE THROUGH LINE NINE,... |
| 03:01:30 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I REQUEST THE AMENDMENT BE DEEMED AS IF READ? |
| 03:01:34 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED, AND THE GENTLEMAN WILL BE RECOGNIZED IN SUPPORT OF HIS |
| 03:01:40 |
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THANK YOU. THIS AMENDMENT GOES TO THE SIMILAR ISSUE THAT MR. LUNGREN AND I DISCUSSED IN CONNECTION... |
| 03:03:26 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES MR. NADLER. |
| 03:03:31 |
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FIRST OF ALL WE ARE PREPARING A SECONDARY AMENDMENT THAT'S BEING TYPED RIGHT NOW. I WOULD URGE IF... |
| 03:06:12 |
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DOES THE GENTLEMAN OF A SECOND-DEGREE AMENDMENT? |
| 03:06:15 |
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WE ARE WAITING FOR IT TO COME BACK. |
| 03:06:16 |
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SO THIS IS JUST -- |
| 03:06:19 |
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THIS IS TALKING AGAINST THE AMENDMENT BUT I'M WAITING FOR THE SECONDARY AMENDMENT. THE SECONDARY AMENDMENT... |
| 03:06:26 |
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OF THE GENTLEMAN BUT SUSPEND, LET ME RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, DANIEL LUNGREN. |
| 03:06:33 |
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THANK YOU THREE MUCH, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE IN SUPPORT OF THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA'S AMENDMENT,... |
| 03:09:05 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 03:09:07 |
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I WOULD BE HAPPY TO YIELD. |
| 03:09:09 |
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THE REYNOLDS CASE SAID THE JUDICIAL CONTROL OVER THE EVIDENCE IN A CASE CANNOT BE ABDICATED TO THE... |
| 03:09:58 |
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RECLAIMING MY TIME, CONGRESS CANNOT LIMIT IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY AND DIFFERENCE --... |
| 03:11:11 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
| 03:11:15 |
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DO YOU WANT YOUR OWN TIME? |
| 03:11:18 |
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I HAVE THE SECONDARY AMENDMENT NOW. |
| 03:11:22 |
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THE GENTLEMAN IS OFFERED TO BECOME RECOGNIZED. |
| 03:11:27 |
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IS THE SECONDARY AMENDMENT AT THE DESK? |
| 03:11:29 |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. |
| 03:11:34 |
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AMENDMENT OFFERED BY MR. NADLER FLY THE LEFT AND AFTER THE PERIOD IN SORT TO BE TO INSERT THE COURT... |
| 03:11:44 |
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I MOVE THE AMENDMENT BE AS IF READ. |
| 03:11:47 |
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THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED AND SUPPORTED HIS AMENDMENT. |
| 03:11:51 |
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THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, VIA BILL SAYS THE COURT SHALL AWAIT TESTIMONY FROM GOVERNMENT AS IT DOES... |
| 03:13:16 |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 03:13:18 |
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-- NO LONGER SAYING DUE DEFERENCE, YOU ARE SAYING DO DIFFERENCE IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE RECORD... |
| 03:13:25 |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? |
| 03:13:27 |
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YES I WOULD. |
| 03:13:30 |
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WHAT MR. SCHIFF ACCEPT THE SECONDARY AMENDMENT? |
| 03:13:37 |
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IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD YIELD, MR. NADLER AND I HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THIS BEFORE AND THE AMENDMENT... |
| 03:14:36 |
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I MOVE TO STRIKE THE LAST WORD. |
| 03:14:39 |
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MR. DELAHUNT? THE GENTLEMAN IS RECOGNIZED. |
| 03:14:44 |
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AND I WOULD RECOMMEND TO MR. NADLER THAT HE WITHDRAW THE SECONDARY MOTION. I HAVE CONCERNS AND I STAND... |
| 03:15:50 |
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WITH THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? THANK YOU. IOWA LOOK-SEE TO MR. DELAHUNT'S RECOMMENDATION AND I WANT TO... |
| 03:16:35 |
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IS THE CHAIRMAN -- |
| 03:16:40 |
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RECLAIMING MY TIME -- |
| 03:16:42 |
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I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR WITHDRAWING -- |
| 03:16:47 |
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RECLAIMING MY TIME? |
| 03:16:49 |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION. |
| 03:16:50 |
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I LISTENED AND I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR BOTH GENTLEMEN FROM CALIFORNIA. BUT THE ARGUMENTS MADE BY... |
| 03:19:24 |
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THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES JUDGE GOHMERT BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE ON THIS AMENDMENT. |
| 03:19:29 |
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THANK YOU. I FIND MYSELF IN GREAT AGREEMENT WITH THE GENTLEMAN OF MASSACHUSETTS TO THIS EXTENT. HE... |
| 03:20:11 |
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IF MY FRIEND FROM TEXAS -- |
| 03:20:12 |
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THOSE JUDGES IF THEY ARE SMART ENOUGH ARE GOING TO REALIZE DIFFERENCE DOES NOT MEAN IRREFUTABLE, IT... |
| 03:20:23 |
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THERE ARE JUDGES IN MY OPINION THAT WILL INTERPRET THE PHRASE OF DUE DEFERENCE TO AS GUIDANCE TO GIVE... |
| 03:21:02 |
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I APPRECIATE THAT RECLAIMING MY TIME THE PROBLEM IS WE KNOW WE HAVE JUDGES LIKE IN THE NINTH CIRCUIT... |
| 03:21:57 |
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I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT APPROACHING THIS ISSUE IN A VACUUM THE SUPREME COURT HAS... |
| 03:23:13 |
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LET ME JUST COMMENT TO THIS, WE KNOW THAT BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE AT SOME POINT HAVE HAD TROUBLE AND... |
| 03:23:43 |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? THE ONLY POINT I THINK BOTH OF YOU HAVE REASONABLE ARGUMENTS WITH THIS... |
| 03:23:57 |
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THANK YOU. RECLAIMING MY TIME. SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE VOTED ON, IF WE VOTE THIS DOWN, THEN THE... |
| 03:24:24 |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE CHAIR WILL CALL FOR A RECORD VOTE ON THE SHIFT AMENDMENT. THE CLERK WILL... |
| 03:24:53 |
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[ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL]... |
| 03:27:59 |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT. |
| 03:28:00 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN 12 MEMBERS FURTIVE THE AYES, 17 MEMBERS VOTED NAY. |
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IT IS UNSUCCESSFUL. PURSE THEREUNTO NO DESAI CALL UP MR. SCHIFF. |
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ONE MUSTIN AMENDMENT AT THE DESK. |
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THE CLERK WILL REPORT THE AMENDMENT. |
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MMA TWO H.R. 984 OFFERED BY MR. SCHIFF OF CALIFORNIA AT PAGE 2 LINE 12, STRIKE REQUIRING SECURITY... |
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I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THE AMENDMENT BE CONSIDERED AS READ AND RECOGNIZE THE GENTLEMAN IN PURSUIT... |
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I THANK THE CHAIRMAN. ONETH PERHAPS THE MOST DRAMATIC CHANGES IN THE BILL-- |
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WOULD THE GENTLEMAN YIELD? IF THE GENTLEMAN WOULD MAKE A MINOR CHANGE IN THE AMENDMENT BY UNANIMOUS... |
| 03:29:00 |
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CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS? |
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YES. INSTEAD OF SAYING THE DISCUSSION TO APPOINT A GUARDIAN AD LITEM JOY NICK RANDOM FOR A PREVIOUSLY... |
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I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. |
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I ASK UNANIMOUS CONSENT THAT THE CHANGE PROPOSED BY MR. SCHIFF BE ACCEPTED. |
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WITHOUT OBJECTION, SO ORDERED. |
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I WOULD ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT. |
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ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS AMENDMENT? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE SCHIFF AMENDMENT... |
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MR. SENSENBRENNER. [ROLL CALL] [ROLL CALL] |
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MR. JORDAN? THE CLERK WILL REPORT. MR. CHAIRMAN 18 MEMBERS VOTED THE AYE, 12 MEMBERS VOTED NAY. |
| 03:33:22 |
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H.R. 984 IT IS REPORTED FAVORABLY. WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE BILL WILL BE REPORTED AS A SINGLE AMENDMENT... |
| 03:33:39 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? |
| 03:33:41 |
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I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE COMMITTEE FOR ALL THEIR STEADFASTNESS IN GETTING THESE VERY TIME SENSITIVE... |
| 03:33:59 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE THE LAST WORD AND INDICATE ON SEVERAL BILLS HOW I WOULD HAVE VOTED. I WAS ON... |
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I HAVE TO ASK THE GENTLELADY TO INDICATE HOW SHE WOULD HAVE VOTED. I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN THIS COMMITTEE... |
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THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN? I KNOW YOU WANT TO ADJOURN BUT I TOO WOULD LIKE-- |
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I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU AS SOON AS THE GENTLELADY FROM TEXAS HAS CONCLUDED. |
| 03:35:17 |
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I DO KNOW AND I FINISH ON THE SENTENCE MEDICAL MALPRACTICE DOES NOT EQUATE TO LOWER PREMIUMS OR BETTER... |
| 03:35:49 |
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I THINK THAT IS WHAT YOU SAID. MAXING WATERS AT THINKER MIC WHEN OUT BUT JUST QUICKLY, I WAS NOT... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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