Climate Change Legislation Markup, Day 2, Part 2

Nov 4, 2009

Senate Committee Environment and Public Works

The Senate Environment Committee continued its mark up on climate change and energy legislation. Senate Republicans, who were calling for a completed economic analysis of the bill by EPA, continued to boycott the meeting. This part of the markup resumed with statements from Democratic Senators followed by a “walk through” of the Chairman’s Mark .. Read More
The Senate Environment Committee continued its mark up on climate change and energy legislation. Senate Republicans, who were calling for a completed economic analysis of the bill by EPA, continued to boycott the meeting. This part of the markup resumed with statements from Democratic Senators followed by a “walk through” of the Chairman’s Mark to the bill by the Committee staff director and other professional staff members.

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00:00:12 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator AND THEN I'LL ASK SENATOR CARPER IF HE WANTS -- SENATOR CARDIN IF HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT...
00:00:30 Udall, TomU.S. Senator THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:00:32 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator AND MAKE SURE YOUR MIKE IS ON --
00:00:33 Udall, TomU.S. Senator AND I KNOW --
00:00:34 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator GOOD.
00:00:37 Udall, TomU.S. Senator IT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR ME THIS MORNING TO BE HERE AND HEAR MANY OF THE STATEMENTS AND I THOUGHT MANY...
00:08:26 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SENATOR CARDIN.
00:08:31 Cardin, Benjamin L.U.S. Senator MADAM CHAIR, LET ME THANK YOU. I'VE CALMEDED BEFORE ABOUT THE EMERGENCY FOR US TO ACT. WE'VE GOT TO...
00:16:47 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator THANK YOU. FIRST I WANT TO THANK BOTH OF YOU. I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE THESE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS WHILE...
00:20:03 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THANK YOU, SENATOR. TODAY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE CHAIRMAN'S MARK ON THE S-1733. THE...
00:22:25 Dedrick, KathyPolicy Director OKAY. THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION EVER THE LEGISLATION, WE WILL REQUIRE THE EPA ADMINISTRATOR IN CONSULTATION...
00:24:58 Albritton, JasonStaff Member THE BILL INCLUDES A VARIETY OF AUTHORIZATIONS TO PROMOTE VARIOUS CLEAN ENERGY SOURCES. PARTICULARLY...
00:36:38 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director LET ME JUST ADD AT THIS POINT THAT THE 7,500 FACILITIES ARE THE ONLY AFFECTED FASTS BY THE CAP AND...
00:36:58 Albritton, JasonStaff Member KRET. AND THE CAP THAT IS APPLIED IS PHASED IN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IT STARTS, AS I SAID IN 2012,...
00:48:40 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
00:48:42 Albritton, JasonStaff Member AND THEN CONTINUING, THERE ARE ALLOWANCES DEDICATED FOR BOTH NATURAL RESOURCES AND COMMUNITY ADAPTATION...
00:49:41 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director SO THAT CONCLUDES THE SUMMARY OVERVIEW OF THE CLEAN ENERGY JOBS IN AMERICA POWER ACT. WE'RE HERE TO...
00:49:54 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator GOOD. WELL, FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN, ADD MY DISAPPOINTMENT THAT OUR REPUBLICAN...
00:51:54 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director CERTAINLY, SENATOR. THE ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS THAT THE MODELING SHOWS THAT THIS BILL OR...
00:52:19 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator WE HAVE IN OUR BILL TO HELP THE RATE PAYERS. BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S NO SUCH ALLOWANCES...
00:52:28 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director HE HAS NO ALLOWANCES OR INVESTMENTS LIKE THAT IN THE PLAN. THEY MAY BE OTHER PROGRAMS HE'S DISCUSSED,...
00:52:44 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator SO I JUST WANT TO PRESS ON THAT WITH YOU. ALLOWANCES CAN BE USED FOR TRAINING OF WORKERS, AND AS I...
00:52:52 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director AND RESEARCH.
00:52:53 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator RESEARCH AND SAFETY. IS THAT CORRECT?
00:52:55 Albritton, JasonStaff Member THAT'S CORRECT.
00:52:57 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator WHICH WOULD NOT BE THERE WITH A PLANT JUST TO SAY TO NUCLEAR FACILITIES, JUST GO AHEAD AND CHARGE...
00:53:08 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE FUNDS IN THIS BILL COME FROM PAYMENTS MADE BY POLLUTERS FOR THE PERMITS THAT...
00:53:18 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator EXACTLY. WELL, THAT'S MY QUESTION. SENATOR WEENHOUSE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS YOU WISH...
00:53:27 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator I WOULD LOVE TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR.
00:53:30 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator YEAH.
00:53:35 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator HAVING TO DO WITH THE -- LET'S JUST SAY THE VERSION OF THE FACTS THAT DESCRIBES THE PAYMENTS INVOLVED...
00:57:10 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director SURE, THANK YOU SENATOR. APPROXIMATELY 7,500 BIG POLLUTERS WOULD HAVE TO BUY PERMITS TO POLLUTE, AND...
00:59:25 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator SO IF OUR POLLUTING INTERESTS AND THOSE WHO REPRESENT THOSE INTERESTS HERE IN CONGRESS -- IF THEY...
01:00:10 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THAT'S CORRECT, SENATOR. THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS PROVIDE THAT EPA HAS THE AUTHORITY, WHICH THEY ARE...
01:00:40 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator BUT WHEN INSTEAD OF DIRECTLY REGULATING, WE MOVE TO A MODEL THAT ALLOWS THE POLLUTING INDUSTRIES THE...
01:01:34 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director YES, SENATOR. IT IS CLEAR THAT THERE ARE ECONOMIC BENEFITS, WITHOUT QUESTION. AND, IN FACT, THE RECORD...
01:02:04 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator AND IN ADDITION TO MOVING FROM AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM TO A MARKET MECHANISM, BEING BOTH BETTER FOR...
01:02:43 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. EVERY POLLUTER WHO IS REGULATED AND WHO WOULD BE ACTUALLY COVERED BY THIS...
01:02:58 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator AND THAT'S NOT A MATTER OF OPINION, THAT'S BY ABSOLUTE DEFINITION, BECAUSE THE MARKET MECHANISM GIVES...
01:04:12 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THAT'S CORRECT, SENATOR. AND THE TESTIMONY THAT WE RECEIVED IN OUR LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS FROM INDIVIDUAL...
01:04:36 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator SO AS I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION HERE, CARBON IS A POLLUTANT AS A MATTER OF LAW IN THE UNITED STATES...
01:04:45 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THAT'S CORRECT.
01:04:46 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS SAID SO. YES, SIR.
01:04:49 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HAS NOT ONLY SAID THAT CARBON IS A POLLUTANT, BUT IT'S INSTRUCTED...
01:04:57 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THAT IS CORRECT.
01:04:58 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator OKAY.
01:05:00 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director AND THAT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.
01:05:02 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator SO CARBON IS ESTABLISHED AS A POLLUTANT. THE SUPREME COURT HAS SAID SO, THEY HAVE TOLD THE EPA THAT...
01:05:18 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director CORRECT.
01:05:23 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator AND WE ARE BEING ATTACKED BY THE INDUSTRY REPRESENTATIVES FOR CREATING A TAX.
01:05:31 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THAT IS -- THEIR ASESSION. BUT IT HAS NO BASIS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THIS IS NOT A TAX,...
01:05:49 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator OKAY. IF I COULD ASK ONE LAST QUESTION.
01:05:52 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator LAST QUESTION, YES.
01:05:56 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator IF WE WERE TO -- NOBODY IS A BIG FAN OF RAISING TAXES AROUND HERE. AND CERTAINLY AMERICANS DON'T ...
01:06:26 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director CORRECT.
01:06:28 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator AND WHO WAS WORSE OFF AS A RESULT OF THAT?
01:06:32 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director THE POLLUTERS AND ULTIMATELY AMERICANS IN GENERAL WOULD BE WORSE OFF WITHOUT THIS MARKET-BASED MECHANISM,...
01:06:45 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator SO IF WE ACCEPT THE ARGUMENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REPRESENTING THE POLLUTERS INDUSTRY'S INTERESTS...
01:07:03 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director IT IS. AND ALSO CONSUMERS WOULD BE NEGATIVELY AFFECTED BY ELIMINATING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE...
01:07:12 Whitehouse, SheldonU.S. Senator MADAM CHAIR, I'LL CONCLUDE BY SUGGESTING THAT I THINK THIS DEMONSTRATES EXACTLY HOW FALSE THE ARGUMENT,...
01:07:22 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. I ASKED MY STAFF TO GET OUT -- BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BRUSH EVERYBODY WITH...
01:08:49 Poirier, BettinaStaff Director CERTAINLY, SENATOR.
01:08:51 Boxer, BarbaraU.S. Senator SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT THE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS UNDERSTAND, WE'RE WILLING TO COME...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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  • Poirier, Bettina
  • Dedrick, Kathy
  • Boxer, Barbara
  • Whitehouse, Sheldon
  • Cardin, Benjamin L.
  • Udall, Tom