The Torture Memos

Oct 7, 2009

Georgetown University | Center on National Security and the Law Georgetown University | Center for the Study of the Legal Profession

David Cole talked about the book he edited, The Torture Memos: Rationalizing the Unthinkable (New Press; September 1, 2009). In his book he collects the memos released by the Justice Department on April 16, 2009, relating to the CIA's use of interrogation techniques in the war on terrorism. They were originally issued in secret by the .. Read More
David Cole talked about the book he edited, The Torture Memos: Rationalizing the Unthinkable (New Press; September 1, 2009). In his book he collects the memos released by the Justice Department on April 16, 2009, relating to the CIA's use of interrogation techniques in the war on terrorism. They were originally issued in secret by the Office of Legal Counsel between 2002 and 2005. After his presentation and presentations by each member of a panel of legal experts, they discussed whether Justice Department lawyers, in providing support for the techniques, should be held accountable for advocating torture. They also responded to questions from members of the audience. Mitt Regan moderated. David Cole, professor of law at Georgetown University, is the legal affairs correspondent for The Nation and the author of Enemy Aliens: Double Standards and Constitutional Freedoms in the War on Terrorism. Professor Morrison's affiliation is incorrectly listed on screen.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:44 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE GOING TO GET STARTED. I AM A PROFESSOR HERE AT GEORGETOWN AND CO-DIRECTOR OF THE STUDY FOR...
00:01:54 Unidentified Speaker ON THE LAWYERS WHO CONCLUDED THAT BEHAVIOR WAS LAWFUL. THE QUESTION IS DID LAWYERS AT THE OFFICE...
00:03:02 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. THIS IS THE FIRST BOOK I HAVE CO-AUTHORED WITH. [LAUGHTER] AND MAYBE THE LAST ONE THAT...
00:24:41 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW AND TRIED TO FROM THE VIEW IS DATED AUGUST 1, 2002...
00:37:36 Unidentified Speaker AND A 1788 JAMES MADISON WROTE "OF MEN WERE ANGELS ANGELS, NO GOVERNMENT WOULD BE NECESSARY. IF ANGELS...
00:45:21 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU.
00:45:23 Unidentified Speaker ONE OF THE REMEDIES THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED FOR THE MEMOS IS BARRED DISCIPLINE AND THAT IS WHAT I...
00:55:34 Unidentified Speaker DAVID LUBAN.
00:55:44 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO RESEARCH EVERYBODY TO READ THE BOOK. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY...
01:07:29 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, DAVID. THE ISSUE OF BAD FAITH IS A SIGNIFICANT ONE. BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION I...
01:07:45 Unidentified Speaker A QUICK POINT BY POINT COMMENT. THE FIRST EXAMPLE WAS THE SELF-DEFENSE ARGUMENT AND CITATION. IT...
01:10:16 Unidentified Speaker A COUPLE POINTS. ONE ABOUT NUANCES. IT IS A DIFFICULT STANDARD TO APPLY HOW MUCH NUANCE YOU HAVE ...
01:11:50 Unidentified Speaker CAN I SAY A WORD? THIS IS A CASE -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A BAD CASE. ONE OF THESE THINGS AND IT...
01:15:24 Unidentified Speaker BY THE TIME THOSE OTHER MEMOS CAME ALONG -- [TALKING OVER EACH OTHER]
01:15:28 Unidentified Speaker IN THE BOOK I ARGUE THAT BRADBURY IS IN SOME RESPECTS MUCH MORE CULPABLE. HE HASN'T GOTTEN AS MUCH...
01:16:45 Unidentified Speaker TWO QUICK POINTS. PRESIDENT OBAMA COULD DO THAT TOMORROW. HE COULD ANNOUNCE THAT HE IS GOING TO APOLOGIZE...
01:17:10 Unidentified Speaker CRUEL AND INHUMAN TREATMENT, THERE ARE COUPLE INTERVENTION BY CONGRESS THAT ARE QUITE RELEVANT TO...
01:18:43 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T WANT TO BE LABORED THESE DETAILS BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD SLIGHTLY. IS TRUE...
01:20:52 Unidentified Speaker CAN I ADD SOMETHING? THE WAY IN WHICH MR. BRADBURY DEALS WITH THE SHOCKS THE CONSCIENCE QUESTION IS...
01:22:30 Unidentified Speaker LET ME POSE A QUESTION TO LAURA DONOHUE. THE QUESTION OF PROFESSIONAL DISCIPLINE, AN INVESTIGATION...
01:22:51 Unidentified Speaker SO MANY DOCUMENTS -- THIS IS HOW MANY MEMOS? FIVE. FIVE MEMOS IN HERE. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO GO...
01:24:15 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU COULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE SO EVERYONE...
01:24:34 Unidentified Speaker WANT ME TO GO FIRST? FROM THE BILL OF RIGHTS FOUNDATION, MY QUESTION IS GOING TO SEEMINGLY BE PROVOCATIVE...
01:26:07 Unidentified Speaker QUICK ANSWER. DAN LEVIN WHO WROTE UPRAISED SUBSTITUTION BY THE MEMO IN DECEMBER OF 2004, DEMOCRATS...
01:26:56 Unidentified Speaker THOSE WHO WRITE ON THIS SUBJECT UNDER GO -- THAT IS FINE. THE YOUNG WOMAN IN THE BACK.
01:27:04 Unidentified Speaker I AM AN ATTORNEY WITH THE DEFENSE COUNSEL MILITARY COMMISSION. I WANT TO SAY MY QUESTION IS ENTIRELY...
01:30:23 Unidentified Speaker IT IS NOT JUST THE OFFICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL LAWYERS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE...
01:32:50 Unidentified Speaker CAN I ANSWER THAT? YOUR QUESTION BRINGS A MORE SERIOUS QUESTION WHICH IS HOW DO YOU PREVENT THIS FROM...
01:34:25 Unidentified Speaker TO THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION, IN MY VIEW THE SAME PROBLEMS WOULD ARISE WITH RESPECT TO A BAD...
01:34:51 Unidentified Speaker IF I CAN THROW IN ONE THING. SOMETHING THAT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. THE BRADBURY MEMOS, YOU FIND...
01:36:27 Unidentified Speaker A VERY GENERAL LEVEL, IT IS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL THAT IS INEVITABLY A POLITICAL FOOTBALL. TO EXPLAIN...
01:37:29 Unidentified Speaker SOME OF A SLOWDOWN WHEN SCHUMER CONDEMNED IT IN PRINT.
01:37:40 Unidentified Speaker THERE IS ONE.
01:37:41 Unidentified Speaker ALL OF THE POLITICS IS I AM NOT GOING AFTER THESE PEOPLE. IF OBAMA IS NOT AFRAID OF WHAT IT WILL BE...
01:38:20 Unidentified Speaker DEPENDS ON WHICH DEMOCRATS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
01:38:24 Unidentified Speaker THE MAJORITY CERTAINLY. QUESTION IN THE FRONT?
01:38:28 Unidentified Speaker MY NAME IS HELEN ANDERSON. THIS IS MORE OF AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAN A QUESTION. ON OCTOBER 14TH. NOODLE...
01:39:20 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:39:22 Unidentified Speaker MY NAME IS MARK ROSENBERG AND I WANT TO PREFACE MY QUESTION BY SAYING WE HAVE A PENDING SUIT AGAINST...
01:41:23 Unidentified Speaker AS OPPOSED TO THE WRONG DIRECTION.
01:41:30 Unidentified Speaker MY QUESTION IS COULD WE IMAGINE A PRESUMPTION THAT THE MEMOS SHOULD BE ROUTINELY MADE PUBLIC AT THE...
01:42:04 Unidentified Speaker THE LAST ADMINISTRATION AND SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE OVER THAT VERY SUBJECT IN WHICH THE PRESUMPTION...
01:43:25 Unidentified Speaker I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A HISTORIC GOAL. FOR THE UNITED STATES A REASON THE SECRET IS FROM A ROYAL...
01:45:09 Unidentified Speaker IF I COULD FOLLOW UP, WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IS A RECORD REQUEST UNDER THE U.S. OPEN GOVERNMENT LAW...
01:45:46 Unidentified Speaker IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION A WHERE IT SAYS LEGAL OPINIONS OF THE AGENCY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED, THAT...
01:46:13 Unidentified Speaker THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK HAS BEEN UP FOR A WHILE.
01:46:18 Unidentified Speaker TWO BRIEFINGS. FOR THOSE OF US WHO TAKE TORTURE SERIOUSLY. JUST TO CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY THAT...
01:47:18 Unidentified Speaker THAT MAY BE WITH RESPECT TO THAT ONE SMALL PART OF THE MEMO BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW NOBODY AGREE WITH HIM...
01:47:58 Unidentified Speaker TIME FOR ONE LAST QUESTION IN THE FRONT.
01:48:04 Unidentified Speaker I AM WITH HARVARD LAW SCHOOL. THIS WASN'T A CLOSED CASE. THE CURRENT LEGAL ADVISERS IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT...
01:51:03 Unidentified Speaker IF THE QUESTION IS DOES THAT ESTABLISH BAD FAITH, I DON'T KNOW. I AM RELUCTANT TO SAY IT DOES ESTABLISH...
01:52:03 Unidentified Speaker WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE. THERE ARE COPIES OF DAVID'S BOOK IN THE BACK THAT ARE AVAILABLE. DAVID...
01:52:33 Unidentified Speaker GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY LAW PROFESSOR DAVID COLE IS LEGAL

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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  • Donohue, Laura K.
  • Luban, David J.
  • Morrison, Alan B.
  • Regan, Milton "Mitt" C. Jr.
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