Total Recall

Sep 23, 2009

Computer History Museum

Gordon Bell and Jim Gemmell talked about their book Total Recall: How the E-Memory Revolution Will Change Everything (Dutton; September 17, 2009). Mr. Gemmell gave an illustrated presentation. Then the authors had a conversation on stage with Mr. Hollar. They talked about the creation of e-memories (electronic memories) and what this means .. Read More
Gordon Bell and Jim Gemmell talked about their book Total Recall: How the E-Memory Revolution Will Change Everything (Dutton; September 17, 2009). Mr. Gemmell gave an illustrated presentation. Then the authors had a conversation on stage with Mr. Hollar. They talked about the creation of e-memories (electronic memories) and what this means for the future. The authors, who have been experimenting with e-memories since 1998, say that in the near future we will be able to digitally preserve all of our experiences and recall them whenever we want. They drew on their experience from the MyLifeBits project at Microsoft Research to explain the benefits that would come from recording and recalling the information in e-memories. They responded to questions submitted by members of the audience at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California, on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7 p.m. PT. Gordon Bell is a principle researcher at Microsoft. He is a founding board member and fellow of the Computer History Museum. His books include High Tech Ventures: The Guide for Entrepreneurial Success and Computer Structures: Readings and Examples. Jim Gemmell is a senior researcher at Microsoft.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:46 Unidentified Speaker I'M LOSING MY MIND OPENS THE BOOK, NOT THAT I NEED A PSYCHIATRIST, BUT I FIND THINGS LIKE THIS MORE...
00:22:10 Unidentified Speaker OKAY. VERY GOOD.
00:22:13 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, JIM, GORDON. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE YOU'VE GOT QUESTION CARDS ON YOUR SEATS, SO PLEASE,...
00:22:44 Unidentified Speaker NO, IT WAS PROBABLY THE ONLY RESEARCH I HAD EVER DONE WHICH WAS I WAS OUT PLAYING AND I HAD A BOSS...
00:24:33 Unidentified Speaker WHAT POINT DID YOU REALIZE THIS IS A GREAT TOOL FOR THE FUTURE NOW, I COULD REALLY BEGIN TO DO THINGS...
00:24:43 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THAT JUST KEPT GOING ALL THE TIME. THE MORE WITH THINGS THAT OPENED UP -- WE WERE DOING IT...
00:25:56 Unidentified Speaker DOOR THE OUTPUT.
00:26:01 Unidentified Speaker YEAH, THE FACT THAT ALL I AM VERTICAL. BUT THE BODYBUGG IS A DEVICE THAT I THINK JIM AND I ARE NOW...
00:26:29 Unidentified Speaker SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COOL DEVICES IN A MINUTE BUT LET ME COME BACK. SO JIM, GORDON HAS TERABYTE...
00:27:07 Unidentified Speaker HE ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE TERABYTES, IT WAS A FEW GIGABYTES. IN OUR LAB THE GUYS WERE WORKING ON THE...
00:27:47 Unidentified Speaker HAD YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT AND ALREADY? HAD YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS KIND OF MY LIFE IT'S AND...
00:27:56 Unidentified Speaker NO, IT REALLY GREW ON US. WE WERE LOOKING AT TELEPRESENCE AND REMOTE WORKERS. THAT IS WHY HE WAS GOING...
00:28:29 Unidentified Speaker SO THIS MUST HAVE BEEN SPECIAL, GORDON, ONCE YOU DISCOVERED YOU WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP A...
00:28:45 Unidentified Speaker NO, I REALLY DIDN'T SEE THAT WE WOULD GET THAT FAR. IN FACT AT THAT POINT IN TIME I WAS STARTING TO...
00:30:58 Unidentified Speaker SO WHAT WAS THE MOMENT FOR BOTH OF YOU WEAR YOUR COLLABORATING ON THIS AND FINALLY HAVE A BREAKTHROUGH?...
00:31:15 Unidentified Speaker guest
00:31:16 Unidentified Speaker NEGATIVE KIND OF A NEGATIVE MOMENT. I HAVE A SORT OF NOVELTY SORT OF THING AND THEN ONE DAY MY HARD...
00:31:53 Unidentified Speaker GORDON, WHAT ABOUT YOU? WHAT DID YOU SEE THAT MADE YOU THINK I'M REALLY ON TO SOMETHING HERE?
00:32:03 Unidentified Speaker I GUESS THERE WERE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT MOMENTS BECAUSE AS AN ENGINEER I WAS ALWAYS REALLY LOOKING...
00:34:00 Unidentified Speaker YOU WERE CALLING UP IN THE FORM OF DATA AND THINK TO YOURSELF I LIKE THE MEMORY BETTER I LIKE THE...
00:34:19 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT'S MORE IT'S ALWAYS BRINGING SOMETHING UP AND IF A SCREEN SAVER IS OPERATING OR IF I HAPPEN...
00:36:08 Unidentified Speaker I'M GOING TO ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE OBVIOUS THINGS. I KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO...
00:36:35 Unidentified Speaker THE FIRST GADGET EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE IS A SCANNER AND GET RID OF ALL THAT PAPER BUT AFTER THAT WE...
00:37:17 Unidentified Speaker TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL SECURITY. WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL WAY THAT THIS DATA IS SECURE...
00:37:32 Unidentified Speaker PHYSICALLY SECURE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BREAK THROUGH THE MICROSOFT NETWORK AND GO INTO MAUNEY MACHINE...
00:38:03 Unidentified Speaker THE BIGGEST RISK WE EVER HAD WE USED TO HAVE A DONNER NOTEBOOK COMPUTERS AND ONCE WE DID A LITTLE...
00:38:23 Unidentified Speaker WHEN JIM SAID WHY DON'T WE TAKE THAT CORPUS AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO THE RESEARCH COMMITTEE AND JIM...
00:38:42 Unidentified Speaker WHAT ABOUT THE DURABILITY, HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT?
00:38:47 Unidentified Speaker WE BACK IT UP MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. THERE IS A BACKUP IN THE OFFICE, THE KEY I SHOULD ALSO MENTION...
00:39:29 Unidentified Speaker ALL OF WHICH ARE SECURE. YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEM BEYOND TAMPERPROOF?
00:39:35 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T FEEL THAT GOOD ABOUT THEM. IN FACT PROBABLY THE MOST, TWO OF THE MOST INTERESTING EPISODES...
00:42:11 Unidentified Speaker SO, JIM, AS WE WERE TALKING BEFORE THIS SESSION YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF...
00:42:46 Unidentified Speaker WELL, THERE'S A CERTAIN LEVEL WE DISCOVERED YOU DON'T WANT TO STRUCTURE IT. S GORDON MENTIONED YOU...
00:44:24 Unidentified Speaker WE OUGHT TO POINT OUT THERE IS ALL OF THE NET OF THE DELAYS AND SEQUEL AND THERE IS A VERY ELABORATE...
00:45:44 Unidentified Speaker THERE'S AN INTERESTING AUTOMATIC CLASSIFICATIONS. FOR US, THE HOUSEHOLD OF SEEING THIS IS A BILL,...
00:46:06 Unidentified Speaker ON THE ENUMERATED THE NUMBER OF DATA TYPES AND I THINK I GOT UP TO ABOUT 200 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT...
00:46:42 Unidentified Speaker IS THEIR ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE USING OR FORESEE THAT AND 50 OR 75 YEARS WHEN YOUR GREAT, GREAT GRANDDAUGHTER...
00:47:20 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH DATA THAT INFORMATION CAN BE ORGANIZED AUTOMATICALLY. AND I DO HAVE THAT KIND...
00:47:32 Unidentified Speaker JIM, DO YOU SEE THAT OUT THERE ON THE HORIZON?
00:47:37 Unidentified Speaker IT'S ACTUALLY MUCH HARDER FOR GORDON'S CORPUS BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH THAT WAS OLD AND SCANNED....
00:48:03 Unidentified Speaker AND THE PEOPLE ARE RECOGNIZED, TOO.
00:48:06 Unidentified Speaker FACIAL RECOGNITION AND PHOTOGRAPHS.
00:48:20 Unidentified Speaker WHEN YOU THINK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TIME IT TOOK TO COLLECT AND SAVE IT HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT...
00:48:42 Unidentified Speaker IN 2001 WE WERE SCANNING ALL THAT AND PUT COST DATA BUT THE COST DATA THEORY IS ALL THE TIME. YOU...
00:49:44 Unidentified Speaker SO THERE IS SOME EXPENSE INVOLVED IN THIS?
00:49:49 Unidentified Speaker YEAH, IF YOU DO IT THAT WAY I MEAN IT'S THE SCANNERS TODAY ARE SO BEAUTIFUL. WE RECOMMEND HAVING A...
00:50:04 Unidentified Speaker BUT THE AMOUNT YOU SCAN HAS GONE DOWN A LOT. A FOOT A YEAR OF PAPER.
00:50:12 Unidentified Speaker NOW MAY BE DOWN TO 3 INCHES WHETHER IT IS LETTERS OR SOMETHING.
00:50:19 Unidentified Speaker MORE AND MORE IS DIGITAL.
00:50:20 Unidentified Speaker MOSTLY GRANT CHILDREN'S DRAWINGS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND VERY OFTEN I DON'T EVEN HAVE A SCANNER...
00:50:53 Unidentified Speaker HERE'S ONE FOR BOTH OF YOU SINCE YOUR FRIEND PETER HART WAS IN THE FILM HE'S AUTOGRAFT THIS HOPING...
00:51:16 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT IS HARD TO COME UP WITH ONE BECAUSE IT'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF LITTLE ONES ALL THE TIME LIKE...
00:52:09 Unidentified Speaker GORDON, HOW ABOUT YOU?
00:52:11 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD ALMOST SAY IT'S THE NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE OF GOING INTO A NEW EMERGENCY ROOM AND HAVING TOO...
00:55:06 Unidentified Speaker DEFEATING THE BUREAUCRATS. SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS THAN WE HAVE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS,...
00:55:34 Unidentified Speaker IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LESS TIME FOR YOUR MEMORY. PART OF IT IS THE CHORES THAT WE USED TO GO THROUGH...
00:56:18 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THERE IS LESS WHAT WORRY TIME, AND IN FACT I ALMOST REGARD IF I DON'T GET IT ON THE COMPUTER...
00:57:07 Unidentified Speaker ANOTHER EXAMPLE I HAVE A LONG COMMUTE TO WORK AND IDEAS OCCUR TO ME AND I FORGET HALF OF THEM ON THE...
00:57:47 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE BOOK WAS TO STIMULATE ALL OF THAT AND BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING SEVERAL...
00:58:53 Unidentified Speaker SOMEONE WAS I THINK STIMULATED BY YOUR MENTIONING OF MY CYBER TWIN AND THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU BEING...
00:59:11 Unidentified Speaker I'M ACTUALLY DOING THAT. IF YOU GO TO SPEENINETEEN, ONE WORD -- I CAN'T REMEMBER MY PASSWORD -- MALAE...
00:59:54 Unidentified Speaker WHERE DO THE ANSWERS COME FROM?
00:59:57 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT HERE.
00:59:59 Unidentified Speaker HOW ARE THEY DIGITIZED?
01:00:02 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT NOW IT'S MANUAL BUT IN FACT THE MY CYBER TWIN FOLKS WANT TO READ THE BOOK AND PUT ALL OF THAT...
01:00:14 Unidentified Speaker AND WE REALLY WANT TO GIVE THEM YOUR HARD DRIVE.
01:00:17 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD BE HAPPY NOW TO DEAL WITH THE BOOK AND THEN THE HARD DRIVE AND THEY CAN GO AFTER THAT, TO...
01:00:44 Unidentified Speaker JIM, IS MEMORY LIKE A MOSUL? WILL WE LOSE IT IF WE STOP USING IT AND SARAH GETS FOR IT?
01:00:52 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I HEAR THAT A LOT. WE ARE CERTAINLY GOING TO USE OUR MEMORY DIFFERENTLY. ...
01:02:07 Unidentified Speaker DO EITHER OF YOU FIND YOURSELVES TRYING TO INHIBIT THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO REMEMBER? ..
01:03:16 Unidentified Speaker USUALLY WE GET REQUEST FROM PEOPLE WHO SAY HEY, DON'T RECORD THIS. AND THAT'S FINE. PART OF THIS I...
01:03:47 Unidentified Speaker WHAT WE DO, WE ACTUALLY DO ADVOCATE DON'T DELETE. AND THAT'S MAINLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY I'VE GOT...
01:04:36 Unidentified Speaker BUT STILL, IT'S STILL NOT THAT MUCH.
01:04:37 Unidentified Speaker BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO DELETE THAT STUFF BECAUSE ALL OF THAT, THAT TRAFFIC, THAT REPRESENTS MOST OF...
01:04:56 Unidentified Speaker ABSOLUTELY.
01:04:57 Unidentified Speaker BECAUSE I THINK YOU WIN MORE THAN YOU LOSE ON BEING ABLE TO REMEMBER THAT. OR I'M COUNTING ON, YOU...
01:05:09 Unidentified Speaker YOU GET ALL THIS GREAT BUILDING DATA ON THE INTERNET NOW, AND MY SON, WHO'S A JUNIOR IN COLLEGE, I...
01:05:31 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S NOTHING.
01:05:32 Unidentified Speaker FOR A THREE DAY PERIOD. IS HE GOING TO WANT TO SAVE ALL THOSE?
01:05:39 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK HE SAVES THOSE. I DON'T KNOW.
01:05:48 Unidentified Speaker BUT IF YOU COULD.
01:05:50 Unidentified Speaker YOU CAN.
01:05:55 Unidentified Speaker WE WERE DOING IT FOR A WHILE. ABSOLUTELY.
01:05:59 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THOSE ARE -- WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. WHAT IS TWITTER, OTHER THAN THOSE MESSAGES TO THE STARS...
01:06:25 Unidentified Speaker OR EVERYBODY ELSE TO TALK TO. I DON'T KNOW.
01:06:30 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S FUNNY.
01:06:31 Unidentified Speaker I THINK THE POINT WAS THERE'S A LOT OF THESE MESSAGES COME IN MANY, MANY OF THEM ARE JUST MONDAY AND...
01:07:06 Unidentified Speaker THIS MUST BE FROM A FELLOW MIT ALUM, BECAUSE IT'S FOR YOU AND THE QUESTION IS WHAT WAS OR IS YOUR...
01:07:25 Unidentified Speaker GOING TO MY 50th REUNION. I DON'T KNOW, JUST -- SORT OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, PHOTOGRAPHSU HAVING, BEING...
01:09:23 Unidentified Speaker BUT IT WAS -- YOU KNOW, SO I -- AND I ACTUALLY HAD MY THESIS IN THERE THAT'S ON, ACTUALLY, I DON'T...
01:10:43 Unidentified Speaker AND I THINK PETER WAS RECOGNIZED AS HE WROTE A LIST FOR A PDP A WHILE HE WAS IN PREP SCHOOL OR SOMETHING....
01:11:02 Unidentified Speaker SO I'M GOING TO GET THE LAST QUESTION, THIS QUESTION SORT OF ALLOWS YOU BOTH TO SUM EVERYTHING UP,...
01:11:22 Unidentified Speaker IN THE BOOK WE BREAK IT DOWN INTO MEMORIES, SUCH AS A REMEMBRANCE OF THINGS. IT'S GOING TO MAKE YOU...
01:11:50 Unidentified Speaker IT'S GOING TO ENABLE US TO, I THINK PART OF IT IS JUST ENJOYMENT AND INSTALL SHOULD. WE ALREADY LOVE...
01:12:04 Unidentified Speaker GORDON?
01:12:06 Unidentified Speaker I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW A LOT OF THIS WE ARE...
01:14:05 Unidentified Speaker AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT -- I THINK I NEED TO PRINT, BUT --
01:14:12 Unidentified Speaker SO IT WILL CHANGE A LOT OF THINGS AND SOME THINGS REMAIN CONSTANT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
01:14:17 Unidentified Speaker FILING AND PRINTING. NO FILING CABINET, NO PRINTING. THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAVED BY NOT HAVING THIS...
01:14:26 Unidentified Speaker SO I'M GOING TO TAKE CARE OF A LITTLE BUSINESS BEFORE WE GO DOWNSTAIRS FOR THE BOOK SIGNING, WHICH...
01:14:53 Unidentified Speaker AND YOU ALSO.
01:14:54 Unidentified Speaker IF YOU WANT TO RIP THE SPINE OFF OF IT AND SCAN IT IN, THAT'S ACTUALLY FANTASTIC.
01:15:02 Unidentified Speaker I'M SURE I CAN GET THE VERSION. THESE ARE, PICTURES OF OLD FRIENDS IN HERE.
01:15:10 Unidentified Speaker I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO SOME PEOPLE. PERSONAL, IN ADDITION TO GORDON BELL WAS A FELLOW HERE AT...
01:15:33 Unidentified Speaker I WANT TO THANK MICROSOFT FOR ITS GENEROUS SUPPORT TONIGHT AND ALSO PENGUINS DIVISION WHICH IS THE...
01:16:12 Unidentified Speaker SO AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LOVE TO COME UP AND TALK TO THEM IMMEDIATELY, WE'RE GOING TO HUSTLE THEM OFF...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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