The Secret of TSL (Total Student Load)

Sep 23, 2009

American Enterprise Institute

William Ouchi talked about his book The Secret of TSL: The Revolutionary Discovery That Raises School Performance (Simon & Schuster; September 1, 2009). In his book he reports on his research on 442 schools in eight decentralizing urban school districts. Professor Ouchi advocates giving school principals more control over their own .. Read More
William Ouchi talked about his book The Secret of TSL: The Revolutionary Discovery That Raises School Performance (Simon & Schuster; September 1, 2009). In his book he reports on his research on 442 schools in eight decentralizing urban school districts. Professor Ouchi advocates giving school principals more control over their own schools, including the budget, and diminishing the workload of teachers. The lower the Total Student Load (TSL), he argues, the better students seem to perform. This approach expands on the reform agenda of his book Making Schools Work: A Revolutionary Plan to Get Your Children the Education They Need (Simon & Schuster, September 2003). After his presentation, which was illustrated with slides, he was joined in discussion by Eric Nadelstern and Chester Finn. They responded to questions from members of the audience. Rick Hess moderated. The event "Total Student Load: The Secret to Boosting School Performance?" was held at 9:00 a.m. on Wednesday, September 23, 2009, in AEI's Wohlstetter Conference Center. William Ouchi is the co-founder of the UCLA School Management Program. He is the author of four books, including Theory Z: How American Business Can Meet the Japanese Challenge (1981), and is a distinguished professor in corporate renewal at the UCLA Andersen School of Management.

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TIME SPEAKER TEXT
00:00:32 Unidentified Speaker HELLO. GOOD MORNING WELCOME TO AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE I'M THE DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION POLICY...
00:05:54 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT IS A PLEASURE FOR ME TO BE HERE. IMAGINE YOU HAVE $1 BILLION TO IMPROVE THE...
00:28:40 Unidentified Speaker GO INTO THINKING THAT WAS TERRIFIC. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT WENT INTO THIS PROJECT AND...
00:29:07 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU FREDERICK FOR INVITING ME IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING LEST ANYBODY COME AWAY...
00:44:40 Unidentified Speaker AT LEAST AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL. SECOND, WHILE I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT SCHOOLS SHOULD HAVE CONTROL...
00:46:56 Unidentified Speaker DETERMINED TO FIND OUT THE.
00:46:57 Unidentified Speaker YOU ARE DETERMINED TO TREAT THIS AS EXPERIMENTAL, OKAY. FIFTH, ON THE MATTER OF CASE STUDIES, I HAVE...
00:51:26 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]
00:51:29 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THINK CHECKER DID A TERRIFIC JOB OF GIVING US SOME QUESTIONS TO TALK ABOUT. AND BILL I'M SURE...
00:51:39 Unidentified Speaker IF I'M GOING TO BE RUN OUT. IT IS ALWAYS BEST TO BE RUN OUT BY AN EXPERT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT HE...
00:58:44 Unidentified Speaker LET ME JUMP IN HERE. ONE QUESTION THAT I THINK COMES OUT OF MUCH OF THE CONVERSATION, IS IF THE KEY...
00:59:05 Unidentified Speaker WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY MORE OF THESE, THESE INDIES, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHICH POSITIONS ARE YOU GOING...
00:59:37 Unidentified Speaker BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ANALYSIS, IT STRIKES ME THE THRUST OF THE ANALYSIS IS SECURITY GUARDS IN GENERAL...
01:00:04 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. THERE IS SOME CASES. LAZIER HAVE A HIGH POPULATION AND RECENT IMMIGRANTS,...
01:00:42 Unidentified Speaker SO, JUST SO FOLKS UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE TOTALS CONCEPT, TRULY IN CONTEXT OF WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING,...
01:01:00 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M HOPING MORE SCHOLARS ARE GOING TO SAY THIS AS A PROMISING AREA FOR...
01:03:02 Unidentified Speaker SO IN THE DISTRICT WE HAVE SEEN THE CHARTER PLUS PRIVATE-SECTOR BROOCH 30%, WASHINGTON, D.C., DAYTON,...
01:03:15 Unidentified Speaker I DON'T. I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA. THEY COULD BE RESPONDING BY MORE CENTRALIZATION. BUT AT THE COMPETITIVE...
01:03:33 Unidentified Speaker NOT TO ENGAGE ME IN ALBANY AFFORDED TO GIVE YOU BRAIN-DEAD LEADERSHIP THEY STILL STAY BRAIN-DEAD NO...
01:03:41 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD LOVE TO GET, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS. ONE PARTICULAR IS I WOULD...
01:04:02 Unidentified Speaker FIRST TO RESPOND BRIEFLY TO A COUPLE OF POINTS CHECKER RAISED. I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE IN FAVOR OF...
01:04:55 Unidentified Speaker SURE. THE CITY UNIVERSITY OF NEW YORK IS SUCH A PROVIDER. DIVISIONS FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHICH IS OUR...
01:07:12 Unidentified Speaker THAT'S TERRIFIC. I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO THINK A BIT FURTHER HERE. I THINK WHAT CHECKER POINTED OUT...
01:08:06 Unidentified Speaker WE DID NOT DIRECT THEM TO. THE FIRST YEAR WE BEGAN INVOLVING RESOURCES, THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR...
01:09:16 Unidentified Speaker ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I THINK FOLKS MIGHT BE CURIOUS ABOUT IS YOU SAID AND IMAGINE THAT ONLY ONE...
01:09:52 Unidentified Speaker AND I MAY BE UNIQUE IN THIS, BUT I DON'T BEMOAN THE SHORT EDGE OF EFFECTIVE PRINCIPALS OR TEACHERS...
01:10:48 Unidentified Speaker WITHOUT WHY DO WE OPEN IT UP, GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE IT WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF MICROPHONES COMING AROUND....
01:11:19 Unidentified Speaker MARK, AND I WANT TO FOLLOW UP UP, CHECKER MENTIONED THE COACHING ISSUE. IF YOU LOADER ONTO LOWER STUDENT...
01:12:16 Unidentified Speaker -TWO OR THREE OF US MAY WANT A CHANCE TO APPLY TO THAT QUESTION. THE CLEAREST EXAMPLE I CAN GIVE ...
01:14:57 Unidentified Speaker I WOULD JUST ADD THAT ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS FOR A HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL TO BE ABLE TO COLLEGE...
01:15:44 Unidentified Speaker HI. MY NAME IS NEIL. I WORK FOR THE AMERICAN SPEECH LANGUAGE AND ONE THING THAT WAS ABSENT IN TODAY'S...
01:16:14 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I PUT UP A SLIDE THAT ILLUSTRATES, AND I PASS QUICKLY OVER THE WEIGHTED STUDENT...
01:20:24 Unidentified Speaker JUST VERY QUICKLY. THE THING ABOUT SPECIAL-EDUCATION, IN NEW YORK CITY, THERE'S A 4% GRADUATION RATE...
01:21:11 Unidentified Speaker RIGHT HERE.
01:21:12 Unidentified Speaker GOOD MORNING. TONY WITH THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF STATE BOARDS OF EDUCATION. I WAS JUST ONE AND...
01:21:48 Unidentified Speaker WELL, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES OF COURSE IS THAT EACH SCHOOL TENDS TO BE A SMALL ENROLLMENT...
01:23:02 Unidentified Speaker NO, ONE QUESTION THAT IS SOMETIMES RAISED IN THAT CONTEXT IS IF YOU HAVE NEW YORK CITY OR L.A. OR...
01:23:32 Unidentified Speaker WELL, I THINK THE FIRST OF ALL, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT TO ANY AND HAS TO...
01:25:12 Unidentified Speaker LET ME JUST ADD THAT DISTANCE-LEARNING IS GODS GIFT TO RURAL AMERICA WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATION CHOICES....
01:26:06 Unidentified Speaker OKAY. MIKE?
01:26:10 Unidentified Speaker ERA, YOU VERY CANDIDLY INDICATED THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER THE PARENTS AND TEACHERS HAVEN'T QUITE BOUGHT...
01:27:12 Unidentified Speaker NO, BUT HERE'S THE MISTAKE THAT I MADE PERSONALLY. AND I WILL TAKE THE FULL FOR A. OUR ASSUMPTION...
01:28:41 Unidentified Speaker CHECKER?
01:28:44 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE A NEW SOBER SILVER BULLET IN MY HOLSTER THANKS TO THOSE, THAT IS 22 YEARS OF MIKE STRAVINSKY....
01:29:06 Unidentified Speaker AND THEY NEVER CHANGE THEIR MIND. THEY DIE. AND THE NEW WAVE IS TAKEN UP BY PEOPLE WHO NEVER LIVED...
01:29:17 Unidentified Speaker BUT I THINK THAT IS A TERRIFIC CLOSING NOTE. BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS, REAL QUICK. ONE, FOR THOSE OF YOU...

NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

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PEOPLE GRID LIST

  • Finn, Chester E. Jr.
  • Hess, Frederick "Rick" M.
  • Nadelstern, Eric
  • Ouchi, William G.
  • Finn, Chester E. Jr.

    Senior Fellow and Chair Hoover Institution at Stanford University->Koret Task Force on K-12 Education
  • Hess, Frederick "Rick" M.

    Resident Scholar and Director American Enterprise Institute->Education Policy Studies
  • Nadelstern, Eric

    Chief Officer New York City Dept. of Education->School Support Organizations
  • Ouchi, William G.

    Co-Founder University of California, Los Angeles->School Management Program

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